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Most important element of grass tennis

Orange Wombat
06-13-2012, 02:40 PM
Many people have very different opinions of their idea of what grass-court tennis is. Some say it is quick all-court tennis, some say it is just serve-serve...

samanosuke
06-13-2012, 02:41 PM
today, moonballing abilities

isner-fan
06-13-2012, 03:51 PM
Well, grass is a beautiful nice looking court, and some people say it is a big difference to play at the first round on fresh grass and later. The main is serve + reliable play on rival's mistakes :)

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 03:53 PM
a good slice is nice too :)

movement/anticipation are vital for grass IMO, you need a good mind.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 03:55 PM
moonballing t the backhand

faking injuries to distract opponent

time wasting

grunting like a pig

fistn pumping like a bitch

all skills needed to win wimbledon

Looner
06-13-2012, 04:02 PM
It has to be the footwork. That is the prime reason RN has done so well on grass. His ability to run from his BH to hit FH on grass is impressive albeit disgusting considering he moonballs so many of them.

motorhead
06-13-2012, 04:06 PM
moonballing t the backhand

faking injuries to distract opponent

time wasting

grunting like a pig

fistn pumping like a bitch

all skills needed to win wimbledon

:haha:

henke007
06-13-2012, 04:16 PM
I miss the options moonballing and delaying the game throughout.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:23 PM
Grass tennis is made so much easier with a really effective serve. It doesn't have to be 140, just well placed with pace and variety.

One break of serve is usually enough to win a set.

No one wins Wimbledon with a crap serve. I don't care how great their ground game is.

JoWillyTso
06-13-2012, 04:40 PM
Grass tennis is made so much easier with a really effective serve. It doesn't have to be 140, just well placed with pace and variety.

One break of serve is usually enough to win a set.

No one wins Wimbledon with a crap serve. I don't care how great their ground game is.

Nadal's serve...

siffleanimaux
06-13-2012, 04:51 PM
these days all you need is a good reliable serve and good movement. having a lot of bite on your slices is extremely underrated these days and helpful too cause the ball stays heaps low and can help you get into an offensive position in rallies.

Sri
06-13-2012, 06:15 PM
Real grass: Aggressive movement and touch. Proof Sampras, Youngerer and many others.

Today's green clay: Defensive movement and shot making from back of the court.

Hian-GOAT
06-13-2012, 06:16 PM
Serve. Look at mugs like Raonic and Karlovic.

Mark Lenders
06-13-2012, 06:17 PM
Nadal's serve...

:confused:

Nadal's serve is one of the best on tour on grass. To give you an idea, he has been broken a grand total of 5 times in his last 20 sets vs Murray and Federer (10 sets vs Murray and 10 vs Federer).

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 06:20 PM
Nadal's serve...

What about it? It's very effective on grass. It has enough pace and his placement is excellent. He also is lefty, which is very advantageous (out wide to BH is virtually unreturnable when hit close to the line). He is rarely broken on grass. And match stats will back that up.

AncicCilic
06-13-2012, 06:29 PM
Hard to say now as it is not the same surface like 10 years ago.
Before i'd say it was a combination of three things:

1) good serve to start the point
2) coming in to volley after each good serve and soft-hand skills on the net
3) aggresive play on opponents serve from shot number one

Johnny Groove
06-13-2012, 07:46 PM
Big serve, followed by overall aggressive game.

For all the moaning of surface homogenization, grass still rewards attacking tennis.

abraxas21
06-13-2012, 07:48 PM
same as clay

Jamoz
06-13-2012, 07:52 PM
In the "real cow worthy grass" it was serve and volley. Now it's running, running and some more running...oh and steady boring baselining. Hey! that sounds like clay to me!!! :eek:

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 07:53 PM
:confused:

Nadal's serve is one of the best on tour on grass. To give you an idea, he has been broken a grand total of 5 times in his last 20 sets vs Murray and Federer (10 sets vs Murray and 10 vs Federer).

thats very impressive, especially considering Murray, with the best defensive serve in the business many argue, should be the best returner on grass.

Mark Lenders
06-13-2012, 07:56 PM
thats very impressive, especially considering Murray, with the best defensive serve in the business many argue, should be the best returner on grass.

Indeed. But even Murray can barely get a look at Nadal's serve on grass. It's definitely one of the best serves on tour in this surface. He has won many matches on grass by simply holding easily despite returning badly.

His slicer out wide does a lot of damage particularly.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 08:16 PM
Big serve, followed by overall aggressive game.

For all the moaning of surface homogenization, grass still rewards attacking tennis.

Rock solid post.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 08:17 PM
Indeed. But even Murray can barely get a look at Nadal's serve on grass. It's definitely one of the best serves on tour in this surface. He has won many matches on grass by simply holding easily despite returning badly.

His slicer out wide does a lot of damage particularly.

This. Nadal has excellent placement and his lefty spin is a real weapon on grass. His is also one of (if not the best) movers on grass, which is another big reason he does well here.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 09:39 PM
agassi had no serve but won on grass

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 09:42 PM
agassi had no serve but won on grass

Agassi was unique

Chase Visa
06-13-2012, 09:50 PM
General aggressive play - so strong serve, good movement, excellent volleys, etc.

NID
06-13-2012, 10:06 PM
'stiff upper lip' should have been in the poll...

cocrcici
06-13-2012, 10:11 PM
good touch

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 10:18 PM
agassi had no serve but won on grass

Agassi was the best returner the game has ever seen. And he was the exception because Agassi is awesome. :)

Yeah, I'm an Agassi fan. He was my favorite player growing up.

duong
06-13-2012, 11:01 PM
in the modern era you need to be very dynamic, esp. on your feet, and react very quickly

ossie
06-13-2012, 11:36 PM
strong serve, strong forehand and the willingness to end the point quickly/go for winners.

Paylu2007
06-14-2012, 12:09 AM
today, moonballing abilities

yes, he missed another option too:

uncle toni's draw fixing abilities

Paylu2007
06-14-2012, 12:13 AM
moonballing t the backhand

faking injuries to distract opponent

time wasting

grunting like a pig

fistn pumping like a bitch

all skills needed to win wimbledon

:worship:

Paylu2007
06-14-2012, 12:19 AM
Agassi was the best returner the game has ever seen. And he was the exception because Agassi is awesome. :)

Yeah, I'm an Agassi fan. He was my favorite player growing up.

This. His game was absolute enjoyment; he could actually build points on that S&V era.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 12:28 AM
This. His game was absolute enjoyment; he could actually build points on that S&V era.

Hola fellow Agassi fan! :)

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 01:26 AM
Footwork.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 01:37 AM
1. movement
2. rock solid baseline game
3. the return
4. serve
5. little bit of luck
6. adequate transition game


that should do it.

time to close this thread.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 04:13 AM
1. movement
2. rock solid baseline game
3. the return
4. serve
5. little bit of luck
6. adequate transition game


that should do it.

time to close this thread.

You don't think the serve is higher on the list? Getting broken on grass is bad news. You have to protect your serve on this surface. It's vital.

duong
06-14-2012, 08:03 AM
Apart from Agassi (who was 10 times a better returner than Nadal), I remember a French player who had no serve and no aggressive game at all, just soft shots quite like moonballs but with little spin, and who made the quarterfinals in Wimbledon : Thierry Champion. Hardly ever went to the net.

In 1991 (one year before Agassi's triumph and in an era where serve-and-volley did dominate Wimbledon, Stich defeating Edberg in SF without breaking him once in whole match), he defeated 4 serve-and-volley players, including Pat Cash, former Wimbledon winner, and Derrick Rostagno who had just defeated ... Pete Sampras.

He was moving very well on grass with light feet, and most notably was "in the zone" for returns and passing-shots. Also won most of his matches in 5 sets.

Next year, he also reached third round doing just the same, losing in 5 sets in third round.

In that time it was just amazing, just as Agassi's win in 1992 I still consider as one of the greatest performances of the open era in tennis.