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Tommy Haas on Murray: "He brings on trainer then moves like a cat"

tennishero
06-13-2012, 12:11 PM
"It's difficult when you play against someone who is walking on the court like he is not well or is injured," Haas said. "I find no one does this better than Andy Murray, from time to time. Sometimes he looks like he can barely move, then comes the trainer and then he moves like a cat. I believe everyone knows this now. People talk about it in the locker room.

"Maybe he would like to take some pressure off himself. He tells himself, maybe I have a niggle or a problem, I am not feeling too well, but I'm going to try it anyway. But he is such a talented player that he really doesn't need [to do] this."


:worship:

leng jai
06-13-2012, 12:12 PM
This thread took too long to appear. Obviously Hasi's ranking is too gimpy to warrant a same day GM thread :sad:

arm
06-13-2012, 12:17 PM
Look who is being bitchy.

:lol: :nerner:

leng jai
06-13-2012, 12:18 PM
Someone get Clydey in here.

Quadruple Tree
06-13-2012, 12:19 PM
Tommy Haas legend status achieved.

GOAT = Fed
06-13-2012, 12:21 PM
Finally someone able to say it how it is :worship:

trojanstallion
06-13-2012, 12:22 PM
Obviously why he has the nickname "Cheatray". Nothing new here, its all his tactic

Fireballer
06-13-2012, 12:24 PM
Truth

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 12:28 PM
clearly his trainer does a very good job, GOAT trainer perhaps?

Mae
06-13-2012, 12:29 PM
I love Tommy, but I don't think he should have just singled Andy out. I have seen other players seem to do that very same thing!

leng jai
06-13-2012, 12:29 PM
IMO Hass and his gluten should STFU.

BroTree123
06-13-2012, 12:29 PM
Haas telling the truth like a boss.

henke007
06-13-2012, 12:30 PM
Legendary comment

Looner
06-13-2012, 12:30 PM
I love Tommy, but I don't think he should have just singled Andy out. I have seen other players seem to do that very same thing!

RN and Djokovic of old being prime examples. I definitely agree.

timafi
06-13-2012, 12:35 PM
about time someone says it at loud.Embarrass the player :shru:

scoobs
06-13-2012, 12:35 PM
Someone still bitter about losing to an injured Murray at IW in 07 I see :zzz:

Andy very rarely calls the trainer, so that's actually a load of crap.

Does he spend a lot of time on court clutching at something, pulling faces, or touching his knee, his back, whatever? Yes he does. Is he injured or faking it? Nobody can know except him and what you choose to believe probably depends on whether you like him or not in the first place. If you like him you give him the benefit of the doubt. If you don't you probably cry "gamesmanship".

Either way, it doesn't really matter - the opponent has to get past these things and play the ball, not the guy or his on-court antics, tough as that may be. If you ask Murray I'm sure he'd say Haas is entitled to his opinion but that Haas is wrong. I'm sure Murray doesn't give a fiddler's toss what Haas or anyone else thinks about this.

If you define gamesmanship as "disrupting the natural flow of the match to try to gain advantage" then there are many, many players out there with many different tricks that are gamesmanship, most of which are not actually breaking any rules, so you have to deal with them and not hide behind this as an excuse when you then lose to them.

Quadruple Tree
06-13-2012, 12:36 PM
clearly his trainer does a very good job, GOAT trainer perhaps?

Perhaps. But this is GOAT quote, NID. Tommy Haas: 0 fucks given.

70-68
06-13-2012, 12:36 PM
Murray calls the trainer once in a year, and he gets called out, NID. I wish Nadal and Djokovic, or anyone else does something like this, would get called out too.

leng jai
06-13-2012, 12:38 PM
Good point. Murray never calls the trainer but looks like he has been shot by a sniper half the time. True spartan.

Lopez
06-13-2012, 12:40 PM
Someone get Clydey in here.

I'll fill in:

Murray calls the trainer the least on Tour except for Federer. So I don't know what Haas is going on about, he's certainly not using facts and logic to back his ramblings.

tripwires
06-13-2012, 12:42 PM
I'll fill in:

:lol:

Jomp1
06-13-2012, 12:42 PM
Andrew feeling sorry for himself time and time again on the court only hurts his own game. It's not getting him anywhere and never will. Novak and Rafa will continue to eat up mentally fragile players like him.

leng jai
06-13-2012, 12:46 PM
I'll fill in:

Not enough stats.

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 12:56 PM
"It's difficult when you play against someone who is walking on the court like he is not well or is injured," Haas said. "I find no one does this better than Andy Murray, from time to time. Sometimes he looks like he can barely move, then comes the trainer and then he moves like a cat. I believe everyone knows this now. People talk about it in the locker room.

"Maybe he would like to take some pressure off himself. He tells himself, maybe I have a niggle or a problem, I am not feeling too well, but I'm going to try it anyway. But he is such a talented player that he really doesn't need [to do] this."


:worship:

Oh forget you Haas. I got a divorce from your bandwagon after you lost to that French pretty boy Gasquet. How could you lose double bagel to that mug?

bokehlicious
06-13-2012, 01:00 PM
Nadal, Djokovic and Murray are cheaters, nothing new here.

Burrow
06-13-2012, 01:00 PM
The match against Gasquet this year at Roland Garros was absurd. The trainer wasn't involved but in the second set, he would wince and feel his back but only after he lost a point. Then came the fist pumping after winning points after running around and moving into more vulnerable positions than Stretch Armstrong. Then after he took control of the match, the back was never to be heard of again.

Ridiculous behaviour.

Haas must find it extremely patronising considering the man has been through more injuries than 99% of players that have ever played on the ATP tour and yet he comes back, time and time again, with no drama nor complaint.

leng jai
06-13-2012, 01:04 PM
This is my favourite thread of all time in the making.

Stop lurking Clydey. I promise we'll still be lovers once the dust settles.

Clydey
06-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Haas still butthurt over IW 2007, I see.

Geo
06-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Haas :yeah: I hope more players start calling each other out for dubious on-court behavior. Hopefully this thread won't be idiotically closed like the Ljubicic-Nadal thread from a couple weeks back was:rolleyes: :o

leng jai
06-13-2012, 01:07 PM
Haas still butthurt over IW 2007, I see.

Too lazy to even cut and post Scoob's entire post dear?

Nurse Hasi = best Hasi.

Kiedis
06-13-2012, 01:08 PM
Andy often look like he suffer from severe hemorrhoids when he is on court, but this is a problem about which Tommy should not make fun :o

Clydey
06-13-2012, 01:08 PM
I'll fill in:

I know it was parody, but parody Clydey makes a good point.

bounccer
06-13-2012, 01:10 PM
Murray would be a great player if he didn't choose to copy his idol Nadal without the power to do it. Instead he became an ugly pusher, not many respect for him, not to mention his attitude on the court.

Federer was right about him.

Clydey
06-13-2012, 01:10 PM
Too lazy to even cut and post Scoob's entire post dear?



It was worth repeating.

Sri
06-13-2012, 01:14 PM
Nadal and Djokovic do it too. Why pick on thick legs?

Fireballer
06-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Murray would be a great player if he didn't choose to copy his idol Nadal without the power to do it. Instead he became an ugly pusher, not many respect for him, not to mention his attitude on the court.

Federer was right about him.

what did Fed say about him?

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 01:22 PM
Andy often look like he suffer from severe hemorrhoids when he is on court, but this is a problem about which Tommy should not make fun :o

Andy acts like an ass on the court too with swearing and all that

Matt01
06-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Andy often look like he suffer from severe hemorrhoids when he is on court, but this is a problem about which Tommy should not make fun :o


:spit:

I think Haasi-boy has quite possibly a point but I wouldn't say touching yourself is gamesmanship. As a player you have to concentrate on your own game; if you get easily distracted by the other player injury problems then you are not good enough to deserve the win.

Sophocles
06-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Murray hardly ever calls the trainer but he does have an annoying habit of grabbing something or wincing in pain when he loses a point. But this is just his particular way of dealing with losing a point. I expect most tennis players feel a bit sore after a demanding point, and Murray perhaps just resents putting the strain on his body for no gain. Everybody should be used to it by now.

Chirag
06-13-2012, 01:27 PM
Most of the top players do it :shrug: Murray is just part of the army but he doesnt do it much

Chirag
06-13-2012, 01:29 PM
Murray hardly ever calls the trainer but he does have an annoying habit of grabbing something or wincing in pain when he loses a point. But this is just his particular way of dealing with losing a point. I expect most tennis players feel a bit sore after a demanding point, and Murray perhaps just resents putting the strain on his body for no gain. Everybody should be used to it by now.

his problem is that he should stick to one leg :mad: I noticed this time during the french that he touched the wrong leg many times (right leg meaning the leg where he touches first after losing a point) .Lendl must teach him that first :o

bounccer
06-13-2012, 01:31 PM
what did Fed say about him?

He said it's very hard to win slams by pushing, he was a little bit disappointed because he thought Murray would become a player more spectacular when he was young.

canbera
06-13-2012, 01:31 PM
Someone still bitter about losing to an injured Murray at IW in 07 I see :zzz:


100% correct, it all goes back to Indian Wells in 2007... Tommy Haas also said in his post-match interview that he was waiting 5 years to finally bash Murray, since that was his most painful loss in the last 5 years :wavey:


If you define gamesmanship as "disrupting the natural flow of the match to try to gain advantage" then there are many, many players out there with many different tricks that are gamesmanship, most of which are not actually breaking any rules, so you have to deal with them and not hide behind this as an excuse when you then lose to them.

That is playing down bad sportsmanship and nothing else. I hope you saw that match against Gasquet at the French as a fan of this sport, not just through Andy Murray signature glasses. cheers

Chirag
06-13-2012, 01:42 PM
He said it's very hard to win slams by pushing, he was a little bit disappointed because he thought Murray would become a player more spectacular when he was young.

if he said that ,he just tripled the respect I had for him :worship: .That is so cool and awesome :worship:

scoobs
06-13-2012, 02:28 PM
100% correct, it all goes back to Indian Wells in 2007... Tommy Haas also said in his post-match interview that he was waiting 5 years to finally bash Murray, since that was his most painful loss in the last 5 years :wavey:



That is playing down bad sportsmanship and nothing else. I hope you saw that match against Gasquet at the French as a fan of this sport, not just through Andy Murray signature glasses. cheers

I'm not condoning bad sportsmanship, I'm merely saying that gamesmanship happens and all players have to deal with someone who does that at some point or other.

As for whether Murray is guilty of it, I would say that he can play the comedy at times, but sometimes what people take for gamesmanship I don't see that way - in the same way that when people don't like a player, they tend to ascribe everything negative about them to deliberate, nefarious behaviour.

emotion
06-13-2012, 02:38 PM
Hes right about too many doing this butMurray is the wrong
man to call out. Murray fakesinjuries all the time, but actually rarely calls trainer

Mark Lenders
06-13-2012, 02:40 PM
Haas is correct. And this probably bothers him even more because there's probably no player in ATP history with a worse injury record than Haas, and still he always kept fighting to come back, no drama, no faking.

Seeing one of the world's top 5 players at the moments do what Murray did against Gasquet must surely irk him immensely and it's understandable.

FlameOn
06-13-2012, 02:48 PM
Haasi :bowdown:.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 03:09 PM
murray is just shit

so much talent
so little brain

opposite of nadal

so little talent
so much brain (to cheat with)

Sapeod
06-13-2012, 03:32 PM
Perhaps Haas should make some comments about Nadal and Djokovic, or does he not have the balls to?

1. Murray rarely ever calls the trainer, so Haas is talking crap.
2. Murray clutches something in every single match, even when he's healthy. That means nothing.

Like some have said, Haas seems to be bitter than he lost in Indian Wells to Andy. Oh well, too bad for him.

Sapeod
06-13-2012, 03:33 PM
Hes right about too many doing this butMurray is the wrong
man to call out. Murray fakesinjuries all the time, but actually rarely calls trainer
Murray never fakes injuries. Him touching something is just something he does, just like Nadal picks his arse and Roddick pulls his shirt. It's just something he does on court. I've seen him do it plenty of time after winning points.

rocketassist
06-13-2012, 03:41 PM
Haasi has balls but the fact is he's picked on an easy target here. Pick on the non-slam guy who gets stick for breathing rather than the two masters of gamesmanship with 16 slams between them (where their sycophantic media would no doubt accuse Tommy of bitterness and whatnot)

Would he have had the balls to call them two out? Would he fuck.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 03:42 PM
haas is a class act

still got a good run in him and he knows it

murray is talented but a pussy who will never beat nadal and he knows it

ossie
06-13-2012, 03:44 PM
who the fuck is haas?

bounccer
06-13-2012, 03:45 PM
Almost all people who like Murray are Scottish or English. Curious.

Sapeod
06-13-2012, 03:47 PM
Almost all people who like Murray are Scottish or English. Curious.
He's popular in all countries and has fans at every tournament he goes. I guess most of the people in every country that like Murray are Scottish or English, right?

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 03:48 PM
when i look at murray i think

f@CK!

6'3
145MPH first serve

moves like a cat

deadly backhand

consistent forehand

amazing reading of the game

knows how to mix it up- play the angles- play the right shots at the right times

even has potential net ability


--------- i think to myself- this kid has 10+ slam potential if his game ever clicks

then i watch him play (bend over for) nadal and i think


LOL NO- he's shit
he'll never win with the mentality he has


murray should have won wimledon 2009

Orka_n
06-13-2012, 03:49 PM
Haasi has balls but the fact is he's picked on an easy target here. Pick on the non-slam guy who gets stick for breathing rather than the two masters of gamesmanship with 16 slams between them (where their sycophantic media would no doubt accuse Tommy of bitterness and whatnot)

Would he have had the balls to call them two out?Exactly. I remember an old post of AJ after Nadal cheated himself past Delpo in wimbledon:

Rafa Nadal you are my hero, that was a brilliant performance fighting against all the odds looked like certain retirement, could hardly walk.

Then came back and had the speed of Usain Bolt and the endurance of Haile Gebrasailase. What a champion. John Cena or Hulk Hogan coukldn't compare to that feat of strength and endurance.
Pretty much sums it up.

Matt01
06-13-2012, 03:50 PM
Haasi has balls but the fact is he's picked on an easy target here. Pick on the non-slam guy who gets stick for breathing rather than the two masters of gamesmanship with 16 slams between them (where their sycophantic media would no doubt accuse Tommy of bitterness and whatnot)

Would he have had the balls to call them two out? Would he fuck.


:rolleyes:

Lugburz
06-13-2012, 03:52 PM
The match against Gasquet this year at Roland Garros was absurd. The trainer wasn't involved but in the second set, he would wince and feel his back but only after he lost a point. Then came the fist pumping after winning points after running around and moving into more vulnerable positions than Stretch Armstrong. Then after he took control of the match, the back was never to be heard of again.

Ridiculous behaviour.

Haas must find it extremely patronising considering the man has been through more injuries than 99% of players that have ever played on the ATP tour and yet he comes back, time and time again, with no drama nor complaint.

^^ this

freedomfry
06-13-2012, 03:53 PM
Nadal, Djokovic and Murray are cheaters, nothing new here.

And Fed is the best human being to ever walk the planet. His past lives include Gandhi and Martin Luther King.
Nothing new from you.

Sapeod
06-13-2012, 03:54 PM
:rolleyes:
It's the truth. Haas didn't have the balls to call out Nadal and Djokovic so he went for Murray. Nice one, Haas, your courage and bravery to call Murray out was truly amazing :yeah:

bounccer
06-13-2012, 03:54 PM
He's popular in all countries and has fans at every tournament he goes. I guess most of the people in every country that like Murray are Scottish or English, right?

He's number 4 for a while, former number two, three time slam finalist, many M1000. Considering his career, his popularity is very very low. If your point is to say Murray is more popular than Roger Vasselin around the world, then ok :rolleyes:

Sapeod
06-13-2012, 03:55 PM
^^ this
Yet more posters who can't understand that Murray clutches parts of his body all the time, even when winning points and healthy. No surprise really, considering the intelligence of most people on MTF :shrug:

Lugburz
06-13-2012, 03:55 PM
It's the truth. Haas didn't have the balls to call out Nadal and Djokovic so he went for Murray. Nice one, Haas, your courage and bravery to call Murray out was truly amazing :yeah:

:haha:

Quadruple Tree
06-13-2012, 03:56 PM
Federer may be an arrogant ass in interviews, but as far as I know he doesn't take MTOs and then run around like Usain Bolt after snorting an ounce of cocaine or get obvious coaching from the stands. The most suspicious things he's done that I remember in terms of gamesmanship is taking a bathroom break against Davydenko at the 2010 AO.

Matt01
06-13-2012, 03:56 PM
It's the truth. Haas didn't have the balls to call out Nadal and Djokovic so he went for Murray. Nice one, Haas, your courage and bravery to call Murray out was truly amazing :yeah:


Haas is a Fedtard and not fan of Nadal or Djokovic who he certainly isn't scared of.

Sapeod
06-13-2012, 03:57 PM
He's number 4 for a while, former number two, three time slam finalist, many M1000. Considering his career, his popularity is very very low. If your point is to say Murray is more popular than Roger Vasselin around the world, then ok :rolleyes:
So because Murray isn't as popular as players who have 4, 11 and 16 slams he's a disappointment? He has millions of fans, that's all that matters.

Sapeod
06-13-2012, 03:59 PM
Haas is a Fedtard and not fan of Nadal or Djokovic who he certainly isn't scared of.
Well then why didn't he call them out then? They are by far worse than Murray, even more obvious and unlike Murray who doesn't fake at all really, they actually fake timeouts. Why didn't he call them out? He doesn't like people who fake, right? So he decides to call out a guy who hardly ever calls the trainer? :lol: Good idea, Haas :yeah:

Matt01
06-13-2012, 04:01 PM
Well then why didn't he call them out then? They are by far worse than Murray, even more obvious and unlike Murray who doesn't fake at all really, they actually fake timeouts. Why didn't he call them out?


When was the last time Nadal or Djokovic faked timeouts?
Right now Murray's behaviour is more dubious that's why Haas calls him out.

rocketassist
06-13-2012, 04:03 PM
:rolleyes:

That's all you can come up with because you never, ever have a logical or interesting point in response.

FACT: a lot of the morons in this thread praising him, would be calling him bitter if he called out Nadal or Djokovic (11/5 slams > 0 slams, jealous, bitter etc) plus the media would be on his back.

Pick on the guy with 0 slams who takes a lot of flak for everything else in his life instead, much easier.

FiBeR
06-13-2012, 04:04 PM
I wonder what rocketassist has to say about Murray :lol:
are you gonna judge Murray the same way you tried to frame Del Potro with his leg injury?

rocketassist
06-13-2012, 04:05 PM
I wonder what rocketassist has to say about Murray :lol:
are you gonna judge Murray the same way you tried to frame Del Potro with his leg injury?

I'd be saying the same if Haas picked on him- going after an easy target.

get back in your box.

Schu
06-13-2012, 04:07 PM
Maybe the reason Murray rarely calls a trainer is because he is not REALLY hurting, just a great drama queen. I don't think most players who call Murray out for his acting job think it's cheating and all have dealt with gamesmanship since they were playing junior tournaments. Players know it's not an excuse for loosing BUT it is still annoying as hell to play against.

Yes Roddick and Nadal have a full routine of touching themselves but it is almost always BEFORE a point starts NOT right AFTER loosing a point. And yes Murray does touch something on his body often BUT after loosing a point he adds that pained wince with the grab to his back, leg, arm, etc. - it's completely different.

Murray isn't a cheat, just an whinning, frustrated drama queen.

Matt01
06-13-2012, 04:08 PM
That's all you can come up with because you never, ever have a logical or interesting point in response.

FACT: a lot of the morons in this thread praising him, would be calling him bitter if he called out Nadal or Djokovic (11/5 slams > 0 slams, jealous, bitter etc) plus the media would be on his back.

Pick on the guy with 0 slams who takes a lot of flak for everything else in his life instead, much easier.


Actually I was writing the exact same reponse YOU gave me in another thread so I love the irony of your first sentence :rolls:

As for "the guy with 0 slams who takes a lot of flak for everything else in his life": Oh cry me a river. :baby: I'm a big fan of Murray but it's his own fault that he hasn't won a Slam yet. If he behaves like an injured player on court and then runs like a rabbit, he has to endure the fact that he gets some criticism from other players who had to deal with REAL injuries.

Matt01
06-13-2012, 04:10 PM
I wonder what rocketassist has to say about Murray :lol:
are you gonna judge Murray the same way you tried to frame Del Potro with his leg injury?


Obiously he doesn't judge him the same way. His hypocrisy is a little bit too obvious if you ask me.

FiBeR
06-13-2012, 04:11 PM
I'd be saying the same if Haas picked on him- going after an easy target.

get back in your box.

your double standards amuses me.
No wonder you have such a reputation around
nice talking to you :hatoff:

rocketassist
06-13-2012, 04:11 PM
Actually I was writing the exact same reponse YOU gave me in another thread so I love the irony of your first sentence :rolls:

As for "the guy with 0 slams who takes a lot of flak for everything else in his life": Oh cry me a river. :baby: I'm a big fan of Murray but it's his own fault that he hasn't won a Slam yet. If he behaves like an injured player on court and then runs like a rabbit, he has to endure the fact that he gets some criticism from other players who had to deal with REAL injuries.

Like RafaCena did against Del Pony at Wimbledon last year yeah.

Murray gets stick for not winning grand slams when his career's pretty respectable, that's the point, there's better players than him picking up the shiny pots. That comes from a lot of people.

Nah Haasi should name more players. I thought he had more balls than that. No one used to call out Agassi when he had his spotless media image it's more of the same here.

If Haas mentions them 2 players, he's bitter. If he mentions a slamless player who already has plenty of barbs going in his direction, no worries.

Matt01
06-13-2012, 04:13 PM
Agassi retired a decade ago. Let's stick to the present and not the past.

Time Violation
06-13-2012, 04:14 PM
That's all you can come up with because you never, ever have a logical or interesting point in response.

FACT: a lot of the morons in this thread praising him, would be calling him bitter if he called out Nadal or Djokovic (11/5 slams > 0 slams, jealous, bitter etc) plus the media would be on his back.

Pick on the guy with 0 slams who takes a lot of flak for everything else in his life instead, much easier.

Lol, you guys make it sound like Murray is some poor unranked futures level player :) Nole received plenty of bashing in the past, but God forbids someone mentions poor Andy :p

rocketassist
06-13-2012, 04:15 PM
Agassi retired a decade ago. Let's stick to the present and not the past.

He was a media image ticket selling cash cow on the surface. Spotless, no skeletons in the closet, yada yada yada. They even covered up his crystal meth test. Would they cover up a top 4 player's test now? I reckon so (not suggesting any of them do it)

Orka_n
06-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Actually I was writing the exact same reponse YOU gave me in another thread so I love the irony of your first sentence :rolls:

As for "the guy with 0 slams who takes a lot of flak for everything else in his life": Oh cry me a river. :baby: I'm a big fan of Murray but it's his own fault that he hasn't won a Slam yet. If he behaves like an injured player on court and then runs like a rabbit, he has to endure the fact that he gets some criticism from other players who had to deal with REAL injuries. If you would stop talking crap for a second you would realize that Rocketassist is actually right: Nadal and Djokovic DO take more MTOs than Murray and then run around like lunatics.

Murray may whine more between points but that's not what Haas said.

FiBeR
06-13-2012, 04:18 PM
I fancy how everything the Murray-tards point out about the tour and top players somehow is usually what Andy is.

rocketassist
06-13-2012, 04:20 PM
I fancy how everything the Murray-tards point out about the tour and top players somehow is usually what Andy is.

How am I a tard you silly quim? Tards overhype/overrate their players. I've never overrated/overhyped any of my own players.

FiBeR
06-13-2012, 04:22 PM
How am I a tard you silly quim? Tards overhype/overrate their players. I've never overrated/overhyped any of my own players.

:confused:
:lol: Im sorry to tell you but MTF doesn't revolve around you :facepalm: :hug:

Lugburz
06-13-2012, 04:31 PM
I watched the interview, Tommy didn't seem to insult Andy. He just stated obvious in funny tone.
He didn't lie about anything, we can all agree (even Murray fans) on how Murry looked against Richard. At times he would hold his back with pain face and then all of a sudden ruuuuning like a cat.

No player should risk some serious injury if he's feeling great pain during the match. Tommy certainly knows this after all injuries he's gone through.

Drugs Ruin Lives
06-13-2012, 04:40 PM
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out_grinder
06-13-2012, 04:41 PM
Almost all people who like Murray are Scottish or English. Curious.

Trust me, I'm British (flag on avatar is for lols) and most people here facking hate the b@stard.

Having said that, if you're an player, why do you even look at the opponent once in a match?

You play to win, and if the opponent starts limping, hit harder, use drop-shots, trip him over when changing ends, and leave a sharp-end-up drawing pin on his bench so he pricks his bum. That's what I say.

It's not like there is an epidemic of niceness on the tour

tektonac
06-13-2012, 04:46 PM
That's all you can come up with because you never, ever have a logical or interesting point in response.

FACT: a lot of the morons in this thread praising him, would be calling him bitter if he called out Nadal or Djokovic (11/5 slams > 0 slams, jealous, bitter etc) plus the media would be on his back.

Pick on the guy with 0 slams who takes a lot of flak for everything else in his life instead, much easier.

djokovic sorted out his issues. no need to spout hate.

Lugburz
06-13-2012, 04:58 PM
I agree that Nole sorted out his issues. He used to be so annoying complaining about everything, the heat etc...

Fumus
06-13-2012, 05:21 PM
LOL - totally true.

Haas is honest and he doesn't have anything to gain my making these comments but I'm pretty sure he's still bitter about this loss...

http://www.tennisdvdwarehouse.com/2007_PLO_MURRAYvHAAS.htm

leng jai
06-14-2012, 12:14 AM
Haas used the wrong wording when he said medical timeouts. Murrray doesn't call for them but is on court behaviour suggests he requires an ER.

He references the locker room in the interview suggesting the Murray's faking antics are getting the most attention. Sounds pretty plausible to me after RG. Nole's faking has improved immensely since his early days and Nadal hasn't done it this year yet. Nothing to do with being an easy target.

Haas must be so bitter about that Indian Wells defeat even though he beat him the very next year.

jrm
06-14-2012, 12:19 AM
until there is no rule or official complaint, i don't see why everyone is calling it cheating :shrug:

Snowwy
06-14-2012, 12:36 AM
If he has a back injury then this isn't really that surprising, Haas should know.

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 01:11 AM
Pushray is a joke. Every point he loses, he looks like he's about to die from some horrific injury. Then runs like a rabbit during the next point. This guy should get an Oscar for his faking skills.

thrust
06-14-2012, 01:14 AM
Haas is noone to complain. I saw him bring on a trainer when his opponent was to serve to win the match. Tommy was sitting there laughing while the trainer was rubbing his legs. Even the announcers thought it was a ploy to throw off his opponent. Fortunately, Tommy's plan didn't work and he lost the next game.

Mountaindewslave
06-14-2012, 01:49 AM
I love Tommy, but I don't think he should have just singled Andy out. I have seen other players seem to do that very same thing!

don't be dumb, Murray does it way more than anyone else and HE HIMSELF has been legendary this year, possible GOAT status at faking injury and then running gazelle like... I mean I think almost every single match this Roland Garros, how embrassing.... I don't know how Lendl can look him in the face, but then again I expect Lendl to leave him soon

MuzzahLovah
06-14-2012, 01:57 AM
To call out Andy and not Nadal or Nole, that's absurd.

MuzzahLovah
06-14-2012, 01:59 AM
Haas used the wrong wording when he said medical timeouts. Murrray doesn't call for them but is on court behaviour suggests he requires an ER.

He references the locker room in the interview suggesting the Murray's faking antics are getting the most attention. Sounds pretty plausible to me after RG. Nole's faking has improved immensely since his early days and Nadal hasn't done it this year yet. Nothing to do with being an easy target.

Haas must be so bitter about that Indian Wells defeat even though he beat him the very next year.

What are you talking about? I watched Nadal do it to Nishikori this year. He took an MTO right before Nishikori served to stay in the first set- then immediately broke.

leng jai
06-14-2012, 02:01 AM
What are you talking about? I watched Nadal do it to Nishikori this year. He took an MTO right before Nishikori served to stay in the first set- then immediately broke.

Correct, forgot about that. Bad Rafito. Murray's antics occurred in the last tournament which was a grand slam so of course it's going to be the most talked about in the locker room.

MuzzahLovah
06-14-2012, 02:02 AM
If you would stop talking crap for a second you would realize that Rocketassist is actually right: Nadal and Djokovic DO take more MTOs than Murray and then run around like lunatics.

Murray may whine more between points but that's not what Haas said.

Finally some sense, and you hate Murray to boot! I don't know how anyone can argue with you on this.

MuzzahLovah
06-14-2012, 02:05 AM
I watched the interview, Tommy didn't seem to insult Andy. He just stated obvious in funny tone.
He didn't lie about anything, we can all agree (even Murray fans) on how Murry looked against Richard. At times he would hold his back with pain face and then all of a sudden ruuuuning like a cat.

No player should risk some serious injury if he's feeling great pain during the match. Tommy certainly knows this after all injuries he's gone through.

That's not what he said- he was talking about MTO's. Murray didn't bring on the trainer against Gasquet.

MuzzahLovah
06-14-2012, 02:09 AM
When was the last time Nadal or Djokovic faked timeouts?
Right now Murray's behaviour is more dubious that's why Haas calls him out.

Against Nishikori a month or two ago was fairly egregious with Nadal. But the history is so extensive, as opposed to Murray calling the trainer once against Nieminen that it seems pretty unfair to single him out.

MuzzahLovah
06-14-2012, 02:11 AM
Almost all people who like Murray are Scottish or English. Curious.

Oh Really...

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 02:16 AM
can we leave murray alone please? thanks. cut him some slack.

he is training for his acting career after tennis.

Amber Spyglass
06-14-2012, 02:17 AM
Sick of all this "cheating" b/s. It doesn't win you one single point. If someone's clutching their leg between points or breathing heavily, it's irrelevant. Players are entitled to express any niggles they have till the cows come home. Anyone who lets it affect them and whines about it later is a mental midget who deserves to lose.

Matt01
06-14-2012, 11:47 AM
Against Nishikori a month or two ago was fairly egregious with Nadal. But the history is so extensive, as opposed to Murray calling the trainer once against Nieminen that it seems pretty unfair to single him out.


It's not only about the MTO's...it's also Murray's behaviour between the points. Nadal and Djokovic don't act like that.

TigerTim
06-14-2012, 12:01 PM
It's not only about the MTO's...it's also Murray's behaviour between the points. Nadal and Djokovic don't act like that.

Djokovic was gasping and wincing throughout AO.

Matt01
06-14-2012, 12:17 PM
Djokovic was gasping and wincing throughout AO.


I hardly even noticed that.

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 12:34 PM
Djokovic was gasping and wincing throughout AO.

and?He played in heat and gasping is normal

Hian-GOAT
06-14-2012, 12:36 PM
Just Murray trollfans could say this is not true :haha:

Tommy is right, again :yeah: Murray is a disgraceful loser who should be banned from every sport. No gif is good enough to describe this shitty "player".

Matt01
06-14-2012, 12:44 PM
No gif is good enough to describe this shitty "player".


Yeah, please spare us another one of your stupid gifs ;)

thrust
06-14-2012, 12:51 PM
Sick of all this "cheating" b/s. It doesn't win you one single point. If someone's clutching their leg between points or breathing heavily, it's irrelevant. Players are entitled to express any niggles they have till the cows come home. Anyone who lets it affect them and whines about it later is a mental midget who deserves to lose.

TRUE! Reacting to one's pain is different from calling for a trainer at a crucial time of a match, for no reason, like Haas did.

Moozza
06-14-2012, 01:00 PM
Haas should refrain from commenting on superior tennis players.

tripwires
06-14-2012, 02:44 PM
Haas should refrain from commenting on superior tennis players.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

tangerine_dream
06-14-2012, 04:12 PM
Haas vs the Drama Queen, Indian Wells 2007 :D

geHN3abZY_o

Ash86
06-14-2012, 07:55 PM
Rafa loves Andy. :hearts:

Q: The other day Tommy Haas said that sometimes Andy Murray is faking injuries. Do you agree with that opinion?

NADAL: I can’t say nothing wrong with Andy. He’s a great guy. In my opinion if we talk about what happened at the French Open against Nieminen that’s why probably. In my opinion, he never does this to bother the opponent. So, that’s the most important thing. It’s difficult to explain but I really believe in Andy. I think he’s a fair guy, a good competitor. I’m 100% sure that he was doing nothing to bother the opponent, to take advantage. The disadvantage was for him in the French Open against Nieminen when that happened in the beginning of the match. At the end, he came back. The real thing is when he was in injury in Paris at the beginning he was losing 6-1, 3-1. So, that’s the real thing.

Allez
06-14-2012, 07:57 PM
Classy from Rafa. The man speaketh the truth.

ServeVolley
06-14-2012, 08:06 PM
Nadal talking about fair play... :haha:

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 08:10 PM
of course Nadal loves Andy when he is kicking his ass every day

Looner
06-14-2012, 08:16 PM
of course Nadal loves Andy when he is kicking his ass every day

Irrefutable logic. Murray cannot beat him on PS, so the cheating Spaniard's opinion does not count here.

Lugburz
06-14-2012, 08:19 PM
pfff such a diplomatic answer from Nadal, expected ..

hipolymer
06-14-2012, 08:29 PM
Rafa loves Andy. :hearts:

Is Nadal's knee healed yet? :confused:

NJ88
06-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Andy Murray very rarely calls for the trainer...

Mateya
06-14-2012, 09:17 PM
Big deal. :rolleyes:

Let Muzza do whatever he wants, when he feels miserable and frustrated on court. I and many people do similar things when they are not feeling well or feel uncomfortable back, shoulder, arm, etc.

If he is grabbing his leg, back or jerking his cock between the points, it's not your business, you don't know how he's feeling, so you have to accept it and play on like it's nothing. :shrug:
:wavey:

mark73
06-14-2012, 09:50 PM
Haasi has balls but the fact is he's picked on an easy target here. Pick on the non-slam guy who gets stick for breathing rather than the two masters of gamesmanship with 16 slams between them (where their sycophantic media would no doubt accuse Tommy of bitterness and whatnot)

Would he have had the balls to call them two out? Would he fuck.

You realize Fed and Murray combined have the same number of slams as Joker and Nadal. :D

TMJordan
06-14-2012, 10:13 PM
How can you not love Tommy Haas? He is a real mans man.
If he is grabbing his leg, back or jerking his cock
:wavey:
:bigwave:

rocketassist
06-14-2012, 10:14 PM
Big deal. :rolleyes:

Let Muzza do whatever he wants, when he feels miserable and frustrated on court. I and many people do similar things when they are not feeling well or feel uncomfortable back, shoulder, arm, etc.

If he is grabbing his leg, back or jerking his cock between the points, it's not your business, you don't know how he's feeling, so you have to accept it and play on like it's nothing. :shrug:
:wavey:

A female saying this is just boss. :worship:

tennishero
06-14-2012, 10:25 PM
Rafa loves Andy. :hearts:

says the guy that takes an MTO at *5-6 against delpo last wimbledon. about to retire then runs like a gazelle for the next 2 hours :rolleyes:

leng jai
06-14-2012, 10:31 PM
Big deal. :rolleyes:

Let Muzza do whatever he wants, when he feels miserable and frustrated on court. I and many people do similar things when they are not feeling well or feel uncomfortable back, shoulder, arm, etc.

If he is grabbing his leg, back or jerking his cock between the points, it's not your business, you don't know how he's feeling, so you have to accept it and play on like it's nothing. :shrug:
:wavey:

You can't expect to act like Murray does on court and and have no one mention it. I see no issue with mentioning it in a press conference or interview. It's not like everyone is making a huge deal of it on court during the match.

stewietennis
06-14-2012, 11:59 PM
If Haas observed as such, I believe it's a pretty accurate assessment. I don't think Haas has anything personal against Murray so such a statement is probably a legitimate observation. That being said, if Murray wants to limp or crawl on the changeover he's entitled to, there's no rule that says you have to move a certain way. There's an old adage in boxing – act strong when you're weak, act weak when you're strong. As long as he's not breaking any rules, Murray can celebrate every game like he's won the match for all he likes, anything goes.

TigerTim
06-15-2012, 09:07 PM
Murray's Response at a Post Match Presser at Queens (don't know if posted?)

Q. Tommy Haas yesterday suggested you have more injuries and you make the most out of them. Are you disappointed in that?

ANDY MURRAY: No. That's good for him. Nothing to say on it. That's good. Good for him.

Q. (Off microphone.)

ANDY MURRAY: No, the time I have been on tour I've been called many, many things from my personality not being exciting enough. I have been called boring. It was said I was unfit, lazy, fake injuries. I mean, all sorts.
It's something that kind of goes hand in hand with playing sport. People criticize you regularly. So something you need to ‑‑you need to just deal with. But, I mean, I don't care for his opinion.

Moozza
06-15-2012, 09:14 PM
Murray's Response at a Post Match Presser at Queens (don't know if posted?)

Q. Tommy Haas yesterday suggested you have more injuries and you make the most out of them. Are you disappointed in that?

ANDY MURRAY: No. That's good for him. Nothing to say on it. That's good. Good for him.

Q. (Off microphone.)

ANDY MURRAY: No, the time I have been on tour I've been called many, many things from my personality not being exciting enough. I have been called boring. It was said I was unfit, lazy, fake injuries. I mean, all sorts.
It's something that kind of goes hand in hand with playing sport. People criticize you regularly. So something you need to ‑‑you need to just deal with. But, I mean, I don't care for his opinion.

Too right. Andy is 10 times the player Haas ever was, he is hardly going to care.

tennishero
06-15-2012, 09:34 PM
Too right. Andy is 10 times the player Haas ever was, he is hardly going to care.

doesnt care? sounded like he was about to cry tbh. :lol:

Say Hey Kid
06-15-2012, 09:35 PM
Who cares what Murray does. He is irrelevant in the slams.

TigerTim
06-15-2012, 10:16 PM
Who cares what Murray does. He is irrelevant in the slams.

by using your logic we should only "care" about two players :rolleyes:

NID
06-15-2012, 10:37 PM
Sick of all this "cheating" b/s. It doesn't win you one single point. If someone's clutching their leg between points or breathing heavily, it's irrelevant. Players are entitled to express any niggles they have till the cows come home. Anyone who lets it affect them and whines about it later is a mental midget who deserves to lose.

+1

Sapeod
06-16-2012, 05:05 PM
doesnt care? sounded like he was about to cry tbh. :lol:
Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

Andy couldn't give a shit what Haas thinks about him, and he shouldn't. Haas is trying to get some recognition before his sorry ass retires.

"I don't care for his opinion". Eat that, Haas :kiss:

Mountaindewslave
06-16-2012, 05:16 PM
Sick of all this "cheating" b/s. It doesn't win you one single point. If someone's clutching their leg between points or breathing heavily, it's irrelevant. Players are entitled to express any niggles they have till the cows come home. Anyone who lets it affect them and whines about it later is a mental midget who deserves to lose.

it's called bad sportsmanship and to a degree it is gamemanship which is not ok. you can do a lot of things on a tennis court but that doesn't mean they aren't frowned upon.

it would be like if Andy Murray went out and served 50 MPH serves a lot to throw off his opponent, and then suddenly served at 130 MPH. sure he could do it, but it wouldn't make it appropriate or respectable.

out_grinder
06-16-2012, 11:48 PM
by using your logic we should only "care" about two players :rolleyes:

That's right, we should only care about two players;

Djokovic and Nadal.

No-one else really exists - it would be cool if we had a decade of only 2 slam winners.

duarte_a
06-17-2012, 09:28 AM
"It's difficult when you play against someone who is walking on the court like he is not well or is injured," Haas said. "I find no one does this better than Andy Murray, from time to time. Sometimes he looks like he can barely move, then comes the trainer and then he moves like a cat. I believe everyone knows this now. People talk about it in the locker room.

"Maybe he would like to take some pressure off himself. He tells himself, maybe I have a niggle or a problem, I am not feeling too well, but I'm going to try it anyway. But he is such a talented player that he really doesn't need [to do] this."


:worship:

nadal?!

rwn
06-17-2012, 11:09 AM
"It's difficult when you play against someone who is walking on the court like he is not well or is injured," Haas said. "I find no one does this better than Andy Murray, from time to time. Sometimes he looks like he can barely move, then comes the trainer and then he moves like a cat. I believe everyone knows this now. People talk about it in the locker room.

"Maybe he would like to take some pressure off himself. He tells himself, maybe I have a niggle or a problem, I am not feeling too well, but I'm going to try it anyway. But he is such a talented player that he really doesn't need [to do] this."


:worship:

If he had the guts to say this about Nadal it would mean something. Now it only means he's an incredible coward :)

Geo
06-17-2012, 06:10 PM
We so need to see Haas vs. Murray in the early rounds of Wimbledon this year :inlove:
If Haas brings his Halle form...:D

Backhand_Maestro
06-17-2012, 07:09 PM
dJOKOVIC HAS BEEN THE MASTER OF THIS SINCE HE ENTERED THE TOUR . .

Moozza
06-17-2012, 07:11 PM
We so need to see Haas vs. Murray in the early rounds of Wimbledon this year :inlove:
If Haas brings his Halle form...:D

It wouldn't matter what he brought, Murray would win in 3.

Fireballer
06-17-2012, 07:11 PM
dJOKOVIC HAS BEEN THE MASTER OF THIS SINCE HE ENTERED THE TOUR . .

you're British your opinion is biased and irrelevant on this subject and the fact you are a useless troll doesnt help

Hian-GOAT
06-17-2012, 07:16 PM
Sapeod, the biggest troll ever.

JoWillyTso
06-17-2012, 07:18 PM
you're British your opinion is biased and irrelevant on this subject and the fact you are a useless troll doesnt help

You're racist though? He deserves more of an opinion than you. :lol:

Crisstti
06-18-2012, 12:05 AM
If he had the guts to say this about Nadal it would mean something. Now it only means he's an incredible coward :)

Did you miss how he said to him at the net what an honour it was to have played against him in his career earlier this year?.

tektonac
06-18-2012, 12:17 AM
dJOKOVIC HAS BEEN THE MASTER OF THIS SINCE HE ENTERED THE TOUR . .

so wrong mate, no-djo sorted out his head.

Hian-GOAT
06-18-2012, 11:27 AM
dJOKOVIC HAS BEEN THE MASTER OF THIS SINCE HE ENTERED THE TOUR . .

What? :spit: If you want to attack Nole, attack him on something true, hater :facepalm:

http://data.whicdn.com/images/23219028/haters-nicki_large.gif

Fireballer
06-18-2012, 12:27 PM
You're racist though? He deserves more of an opinion than you. :lol:

and you are stupid I see given that British aint a race