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Will Nole win 7 AO's?

cocrcici
06-13-2012, 10:46 AM
I think 6-8 AO's :)

Federer in 2
06-13-2012, 10:54 AM
Novak Djokovic will surely win more slams, but he has low chances of having a 'legendary' career and equaling/breaking records set by Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Pete Sampras, Rod Laver and other greats. Djokovic is career-wise not in the same league as those players, despite the fact that he will probably end up in the top 15-20 of all time.
So no 7 AO's here. Next.

Fleck
06-13-2012, 10:55 AM
am I the only one who cannot imagine more pointless thread?

MariaV
06-13-2012, 10:58 AM
am I the only one who cannot imagine more pointless thread?

No you're not the only one but well, that's MTF. :D :D :D
So keep it going people! :rocker: :rocker:

Chirag
06-13-2012, 10:58 AM
hmm I am crystal balling this .Will get to you when I find the answer

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 11:03 AM
Come back to me in 2030.

cocrcici
06-13-2012, 11:05 AM
The greatest obstacle is the end of the world as we know it.:shrug:



:superlol:

JanKowalski
06-13-2012, 12:42 PM
No.
He might win 5.

bounccer
06-13-2012, 12:46 PM
14 years old who think slams grow on the trees... :facepalm:

Looner
06-13-2012, 12:47 PM
The real question is - what will be the most impressive: 7 Wimbledonds, 7 RGs or 7 AOs. I am really finding it difficult so please discuss.

Fireballer
06-13-2012, 12:49 PM
The real question is - what will be the most impressive: 7 Wimbledonds, 7 RGs or 7 AOs. I am really finding it difficult so please discuss.

Wimbledon :cool:


but I think he can win 5

tripwires
06-13-2012, 12:49 PM
He'll win 10.

At least.

Definitely more.

:hearts:

Jamoz
06-13-2012, 12:51 PM
Only in his dreams.

BroTree123
06-13-2012, 12:52 PM
How about: Who will give a shit?

leng jai
06-13-2012, 12:54 PM
7 AOs will be tough but 7 Olympics is doable.

Jamoz
06-13-2012, 12:55 PM
7 AOs will be tough but 7 Olympics is doable.

Only for Chuck Norris.

Nole Rules
06-13-2012, 01:01 PM
:facepalm:

bounccer
06-13-2012, 01:02 PM
Yeah, Nole will win 14 AO and Nadal 15 RG. Only Tomic can beat this, i see easily 29 AO for him.

GOAT = Fed
06-13-2012, 02:43 PM
He will win 20. This era is so strong that the AO organisers will think that you cannot fit all these epic matches in two weeks and every year they will just give it to Djokovic for winning a final that lasted 6 hours.

samanosuke
06-13-2012, 02:44 PM
17 is more likely

rinnegan
06-13-2012, 02:51 PM
One slam at a time.

peribsen
06-13-2012, 02:54 PM
1 at a time indeed, but it be lovely to see him do it... as long as Rafa gets a 2nd.

BauerAlmeida
06-13-2012, 02:58 PM
5 probably. Or even 6 maybe, but 7 I don't see it.

In fact I think that from now on he will win more times the USO than Australia, although he will end having more Australia because he already has 3.

GOAT = Fed
06-13-2012, 03:02 PM
Lettuce beef real tea, Novak is 25, getting to 7 AO means, at minimum, he will be 28 when he wins it.

It ain't happening dawgs unless he becomes Nole 4.589652.

Garson007
06-13-2012, 03:20 PM
In fact I think that from now on he will win more times the USO than Australia, although he will end having more Australia because he already has 3.
This.

Orka_n
06-13-2012, 03:30 PM
More like 70

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 03:53 PM
be happy with what hes got

his slow starts for both days at rg cost him a slam

looks like the magic juice (all natural) is keeping nadal going for a few more years

so rafa could cheat his way to a few more slams

but nole winning 7 ao is a big ask

he'd need 3 more solid years of form

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 03:54 PM
hmm I am crystal balling this

judging by the nature of the OP, he is crystal mething this.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:27 PM
Only two players have ever won a slam 7 times - Nadal at RG and Sampras at Wimbledon. These guys are considered by many to be the best clay and grass court players in history respectively.

Point is, 7 is a very impressive count. Is Novak the greatest hard court player of all time? Because I think that's what you'd have to be to win the Australian or US Open that many times. There's a lot more competition on that surface. Agassi was incredibly good at the Aussie open and he only got 4. I can see Novak getting 4, but not 7. He's already 25. There's simply not enough time.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:34 PM
7 AO, 5 USO, 3 Wimbledon, 2 RG and we have a new GOAT

We would have a new GOAT. You are right. But Novak has no chance whatsoever of winning that many slams.

Nadal has a better chance of winning 9 RG, 2 US, 2 AO, 4 Wimbledon. But that is not going to happen either.

hipolymer
06-13-2012, 04:45 PM
Only two players have ever won a slam 7 times - Nadal at RG and Sampras at Wimbledon. These guys are considered by many to be the best clay and grass court players in history respectively.

Point is, 7 is a very impressive count. Is Novak the greatest hard court player of all time? Because I think that's what you'd have to be to win the Australian or US Open that many times. There's a lot more competition on that surface. Agassi was incredibly good at the Aussie open and he only got 4. I can see Novak getting 4, but not 7. He's already 25. There's simply not enough time.

The only reason Agassi only got 4 is because he skipped AO early in his career and then a few times later as well. He could easily have had more AO titles as it was his favorite surface.

For Nole, I think he will get to 5 AOs and break the record.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:58 PM
They may both happen.

No, they won't. Nadal is unlikely to get 5 more slams before he retires. That's a tall order when you are 26.

And Novak would have to win 12 slams and he's already 25. That's flat out impossible. It would essentially require him to get three calendar year grand slams from age 26-29. Mankind will go extinct before anyone accomplishes that feat in men's tennis.

Nadal may get to 13 or 14. Novak could hit 10 or 11.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:59 PM
The only reason Agassi only got 4 is because he skipped AO early in his career and then a few times later as well. He could easily have had more AO titles as it was his favorite surface.

For Nole, I think he will get to 5 AOs and break the record.

Good point. Agassi lost several good years.

5 AO's is possible I think. 7 is unrealistic though.

Backhand_Maestro
06-13-2012, 05:19 PM
7 AOs will be tough but 7 Olympics is doable.

:D

When I mentioned this I was ridiculed . . of course he can

nick the greek
06-13-2012, 05:34 PM
am I the only one who cannot imagine more pointless thread?

More pointless thread would be:Will Uglyrer win a slam ever again?

born_on_clay
06-13-2012, 05:37 PM
no he won't

Sapeod
06-13-2012, 05:38 PM
8 Australian Opens? What kins of joke is that? :spit:

Djokovic will be lucky to win 8 slams overall :spit:

nick the greek
06-13-2012, 05:40 PM
How about: Who will give a shit?

Exactly.I DON'T GIVE A SHIT about Nadull's 7 RG's.

Fireballer
06-13-2012, 05:40 PM
8 Australian Opens? What kins of joke is that? :spit:

Djokovic will be lucky to win 8 slams overall :spit:

Murray will be lucky to play 1 more Slam final :haha:

nick the greek
06-13-2012, 05:41 PM
8 Australian Opens? What kins of joke is that? :spit:

Djokovic will be lucky to win 8 slams overall :spit:

You'd better worry will certain NOBODY ever win even 1 slam.

nick the greek
06-13-2012, 06:12 PM
Maybe,but not very likely.Still,much more chances for that than Uglyrer to win one more slam.

Jamoz
06-13-2012, 07:12 PM
Maybe,but not very likely.Still,much more chances for that than Uglyrer to win one more slam.

How it this Uglyrer? :confused:

Alex999
06-13-2012, 07:41 PM
14 years old who think slams grow on the trees... :facepalm:
lol, true dat. Even as a Nole fan I find this thread so silly. we have too many stupid prediction threads. oh, will Rafa do this, oh, will Nole do that, oh will Roger ... blah, blah ... who the hell knows what's gonna happen?

I approve this thread only if the OP was sarcastic and bored, but not sure about that :rolleyes:

cocrcici
06-13-2012, 07:45 PM
lol, true dat. Even as a Nole fan I find this thread so silly. we have too many stupid prediction threads. oh, will Rafa do this, oh, will Nole do that, oh will Roger ... blah, blah ... who the hell knows what's gonna happen?

I approve this thread only if the OP was sarcastic and bored, but not sure about that :rolleyes:

I was serious.:angel:

Mateya
06-13-2012, 08:24 PM
How about 7 Umags?

It has never been done before so it must be harder than any 7 grand slams, no? ;)
Moya, the king of Umag, has 4 or 5 titles.

MIMIC
06-13-2012, 08:32 PM
7 AOs will be tough but 7 Olympics is doable.

:rocker2:

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 08:34 PM
Silly raw food vegans. Grass is for cows.

Indeed, 4 stomachs helps.

cocrcici
06-13-2012, 08:38 PM
Silly raw food vegans. Grass is for cows.

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQW802km1rh9Zfb2-9ayjvFTus6wnho6S2Qcyl0sonVFFo-gRSg

:D

BigJohn
06-13-2012, 09:15 PM
The great thing about this thread is that it is not retarded one bit.

Jamoz
06-13-2012, 09:18 PM
The great thing about this thread is that it is not retarded one bit.

Nope, quality stuff like most threads in MTF :yeah: Problem is this, when threads are retarded they kind a drag you down to their level, so we all happily write some retarded comments into them :D

BigJohn
06-13-2012, 09:24 PM
Nope, quality stuff like most threads in MTF :yeah: Problem is this, when threads are retarded they kind a drag you down to their level, so we all happily write some retarded comments into them :D

As a beacon of light, I do my best to lead lost souls to saner territories, but some are beyond help.

Nole fan
06-13-2012, 09:30 PM
Novak Djokovic will surely win more slams, but he has low chances of having a 'legendary' career and equaling/breaking records set by Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Pete Sampras, Rod Laver and other greats. Djokovic is career-wise not in the same league as those players, despite the fact that he will probably end up in the top 15-20 of all time.
So no 7 AO's here. Next.

Why not? He has already 3, it's not far-fetched. :shrug:

PedroMarquess
06-13-2012, 09:43 PM
5 or 6, 7 is asking too much. However he will win the next 12 slams and the next 3 olimpics. I hope that's good enough for OP.

nick the greek
06-13-2012, 09:58 PM
As a beacon of light, I do my best to lead lost souls to saner territories, but some are beyond help.

A beacon of light?:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
BJ Man,one of the most delusional member of ball-less cockroaches bunch.

cocrcici
06-13-2012, 10:02 PM
A beacon of light?:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
BJ Man,one of the most delusional member of ball-less cockroaches bunch.

+1

:)

stewietennis
06-13-2012, 10:36 PM
I don't think so. He'll definitely get to four sometime but five is 50-50. It's a pretty tough task to win four majors at the Australian Open, let alone five. Agassi's baseline game was suited to the surface (similar to Djokovic's now) and JesusFed only won four each. I believe this surface has a higher chance of a winner coming out of nowhere (judging by past finalists Murray, Tsonga, Gonzales, Baghdatis) and of Novak being in danger of defeat, as evidenced by his SF and F matches. I also think he'll do better at the US Open for some reason – maybe because he has Fed's number there and the faster surface will suit him better as well as hindering Nadal more.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 10:47 PM
I don't think so. He'll definitely get to four sometime but five is 50-50. It's a pretty tough task to win four majors at the Australian Open, let alone five. Agassi's baseline game was suited to the surface (similar to Djokovic's now) and JesusFed only won four each. I believe this surface has a higher chance of a winner coming out of nowhere (judging by past finalists Murray, Tsonga, Gonzales, Baghdatis) and of Novak being in danger of defeat, as evidenced by his SF and F matches. I also think he'll do better at the US Open for some reason – maybe because he has Fed's number there and the faster surface will suit him better as well as hindering Nadal more.

I like Nole's chances at the Australian better than US Open. I think AO is Nole's best slam because his baseline game is so rock solid. He's the only guy on tour who can get into 20 shot rally's with Nadal and win more than he loses. Novak has a good serve, but it isn't amazing so I think he will have a harder time winning multiple US Opens.

Having said that, I like Nole's chances at the US Open this year. He's the best hard court player in the world right now and I'm not sure Del Potro is back to his old self just yet. Once Del Pony gets there though, he will become a major threat at the US Open. IMO anyway.

ossie
06-13-2012, 10:50 PM
no

BigJohn
06-13-2012, 11:14 PM
A beacon of light?:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
BJ Man,one of the most delusional member of ball-less cockroaches bunch.

+1

:)

As I was saying, some are beyond help.

cocrcici
06-13-2012, 11:19 PM
As I was saying, some are beyond help.

You need to put more effort into it. ;)

:lol:

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 12:03 AM
I like Nole's chances at the Australian better than US Open. I think AO is Nole's best slam because his baseline game is so rock solid. He's the only guy on tour who can get into 20 shot rally's with Nadal and win more than he loses. Novak has a good serve, but it isn't amazing so I think he will have a harder time winning multiple US Opens.

Having said that, I like Nole's chances at the US Open this year. He's the best hard court player in the world right now and I'm not sure Del Potro is back to his old self just yet. Once Del Pony gets there though, he will become a major threat at the US Open. IMO anyway.

LOL........no he wont........and tell me you registered in 2010 and started posting like crazy just now?

Nole fan
06-14-2012, 12:07 AM
I like Nole's chances at the Australian better than US Open. I think AO is Nole's best slam because his baseline game is so rock solid. He's the only guy on tour who can get into 20 shot rally's with Nadal and win more than he loses. Novak has a good serve, but it isn't amazing so I think he will have a harder time winning multiple US Opens.

Having said that, I like Nole's chances at the US Open this year. He's the best hard court player in the world right now and I'm not sure Del Potro is back to his old self just yet. Once Del Pony gets there though, he will become a major threat at the US Open. IMO anyway.

Even though Nole has got his best record at AO, I still think USO is the tournament where he consistently plays his best tennis and he's always made semis or finals pretty much. He's just been unlucky to encounter JesusFed on three straight occasions when he was still a rookie. But I think his game is pretty solid there and where he definitely plays his best. USO suits his game perfectly.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 12:14 AM
LOL........no he wont........and tell me you registered in 2010 and started posting like crazy just now?

You really don't think Del Potro can get back to his 2009 form? I think he is very dangerous on fast hard courts. He has excellent movement for someone his size and his serve is downright nasty.

I've lurked for a long time. Post when I feel like posting, usually in very short spurts. It takes very little time for me to get fed up will all the hating and blind fan boy bias on this site, and I just stop posting after awhile. I can only handle so much of it before I feel like my time is better spent doing something else.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 12:20 AM
Even though Nole has got his best record at AO, I still think USO is the tournament where he consistently plays his best tennis and he's always made semis or finals pretty much. He's just been unlucky to encounter JesusFed on three straight occasions when he was still a rookie. But I think his game is pretty solid there and where he definitely plays his best. USO suits his game perfectly.

He's the best hard court player in the world right now. So I expect solid US Open showings from him for the foreseeable future. I think his ROS and ground game are his strongest points, which is why I feel like his record at the AO is better (where those things are even more potent). Just my opinion.

BauerAlmeida
06-14-2012, 12:35 AM
You really don't think Del Potro can get back to his 2009 form? I think he is very dangerous on fast hard courts. He has excellent movement for someone his size and his serve is downright nasty.



Of course.

He has everything to do well at the USO (not that he didn't already prov it), great serve, tremendous forehand, and as you said, he moves very well for his size.

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 12:35 AM
You really don't think Del Potro can get back to his 2009 form? I think he is very dangerous on fast hard courts. He has excellent movement for someone his size and his serve is downright nasty.

I've lurked for a long time. Post when I feel like posting, usually in very short spurts. It takes very little time for me to get fed up will all the hating and blind fan boy bias on this site, and I just stop posting after awhile. I can only handle so much of it before I feel like my time is better spent doing something else.

you mean that tournament where he fluked a match or two and Fed choked?Yeah I dont think that's happening again for a guy who cant win a Masters event

kyleskywalker007
06-14-2012, 12:41 AM
8 AOs?......Isnīt he on 3 right now? Isnīt he 24 going on 25 now? You expect him to win until he is 30?.....

Whatever shit youīre on is nice, just share a bit with the rest of us mortals :D

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 12:42 AM
you mean that tournament where he fluked a match or two and Fed choked?Yeah I dont think that's happening again for a guy who cant win a Masters event

No such thing as a fluke slam win. Can't happen. He demolished Nadal and then beat Federer. Fluke my ass.

You do realize he had wrist surgery right?

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 12:44 AM
8 AOs?......Isnīt he on 3 right now? Isnīt he 24 going on 25 now? You expect him to win until he is 30?.....

Whatever shit youīre on is nice, just share a bit with the rest of us mortals :D

He's already 25. And yeah, 8 isn't happening. I can see 4 or 5. He could have longevity like Agassi though, you never know. Agassi won at age 33. Oldest guy to win a slam I believe. But Agassi was the shit.

leng jai
06-14-2012, 12:50 AM
He's already 25. And yeah, 8 isn't happening. I can see 4 or 5. He could have longevity like Agassi though, you never know. Agassi won at age 33. Oldest guy to win a slam I believe. But Agassi was the shit.

Agassi spent half his twenties injured or not playing. The mileage Nole has in comparison is obscene.

Looner
06-14-2012, 01:02 AM
Exactly (about Agassi). I didn't even follow tennis when he was young but even I know that he took breaks between his slams due to different factors. Agassi winning slams deep in his 30s was due to him slacking in his 20s and not amazing longevity although he did work very hard to stay fit.

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 01:14 AM
He'll win at least 12 :yeah:

Mark Lenders
06-14-2012, 01:18 AM
You really don't think Del Potro can get back to his 2009 form? I think he is very dangerous on fast hard courts. He has excellent movement for someone his size and his serve is downright nasty.

With nasty you mean horrible, right?

His serve is terrible for a guy his size. Even when he won the US Open, he had to basically fight for every point in the final, got pretty much no free points on serve. It's definitely an area where he has to improve tremendously. A guy his size shouldn't be serving like a WTA player, I'm hoping to see improvements on the serve asap. I'm not asking him to serve like Isner or Karlovic, but there's no reason why someone his size can't get one or two free points per service game at least.

thrust
06-14-2012, 01:30 AM
NO! Rather than 7 AO titles I am sure he would rather win 1 or 2 FO, another 2 Wimbys and 2 more USO titles, though I am sure he would settle for just 7 AO. If he would only learn to become a better volleyer and come to the net more, he could win another 5-7 slams.

BauerAlmeida
06-14-2012, 01:35 AM
With nasty you mean horrible, right?

His serve is terrible for a guy his size. Even when he won the US Open, he had to basically fight for every point in the final, got pretty much no free points on serve. It's definitely an area where he has to improve tremendously. A guy his size shouldn't be serving like a WTA player, I'm hoping to see improvements on the serve asap. I'm not asking him to serve like Isner or Karlovic, but there's no reason why someone his size can't get one or two free points per service game at least.

Del Potro has a great serve, but considering his height it should be A LOT better.

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 01:37 AM
Del Potro has a great serve, but considering his height it should be A LOT better.

:superlol:

thrust
06-14-2012, 01:38 AM
He's already 25. And yeah, 8 isn't happening. I can see 4 or 5. He could have longevity like Agassi though, you never know. Agassi won at age 33. Oldest guy to win a slam I believe. But Agassi was the @#!*% .

Rosewall was nearly 36 when he won the USO in 1970. He won the AO at 36 and 37. He also won it at 18 and 21

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 01:42 AM
Rosewall was nearly 36 when he won the USO in 1970. He won the AO at 36 and 37.

Those were mug eras. There is no fucking way a 33+ year old is winning a slam these days.

60's-early 70's were pretty much a few top guys beating challengers. Nadal/Fed/Djoker would probably win 200+ titles if they played in an era where "GOAT" was 174cm tall :o

Mark Lenders
06-14-2012, 01:44 AM
Del Potro has a great serve, but considering his height it should be A LOT better.

He really doesn't though. When he faces lower ranked guys or poor returners, his serve can look great.

But when he faces top players with great returns, he can barely get any free points, which is baffling for a guy his size. It's actually amazing he managed to beat Federer in the US Open by just using his serve to set up the rally basically in the last few sets, getting no free points at all.

I really hope he's working on this, a dominant serve - like a guy his size should have - would be a great shortcut to the top of men's tennis.

stewietennis
06-14-2012, 01:57 AM
It would be good if Novak made his mark at a particular major the way Rafa has Roland Garros, Sampras has Wimbledon, Federer is equally associated with Wimbledon as well as sharing records at Melbourne Park and Flushing Meadows, Andre has Australia.

Novak only needs one more in Australia to be equal record holder with Fed and Andre. He needs another four more at the US Open just to equal Fed, Sampras and Connors; or another five to be the sole record holder – which seems to be virtually impossible given his age.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 02:57 AM
It would be good if Novak made his mark at a particular major the way Rafa has Roland Garros, Sampras has Wimbledon, Federer is equally associated with Wimbledon as well as sharing records at Melbourne Park and Flushing Meadows, Andre has Australia.

Novak only needs one more in Australia to be equal record holder with Fed and Andre. He needs another four more at the US Open just to equal Fed, Sampras and Connors; or another five to be the sole record holder – which seems to be virtually impossible given his age.

Nole is definitely in a position to claim the record for most AO. There's not enough time to do it anywhere else though.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 03:06 AM
He really doesn't though. When he faces lower ranked guys or poor returners, his serve can look great.

But when he faces top players with great returns, he can barely get any free points, which is baffling for a guy his size. It's actually amazing he managed to beat Federer in the US Open by just using his serve to set up the rally basically in the last few sets, getting no free points at all.

I really hope he's working on this, a dominant serve - like a guy his size should have - would be a great shortcut to the top of men's tennis.

I really think you are confusing Del Potro pre wrist surgery from Del Potro post surgery. I agree he's not the player he was. And he may never get back to where he was, but he's only 23 so he still has a little time.

When he won the US Open, his serve was rock solid. He had to fight for every point on serve in the final because he was playing Roger Federer (who hadn't lost there in 5 years BTW). Roger didn't win 5 US Opens by being a mug you know. IN his heyday, Federer had a great ROS.

Nadal didn't get near his serve in their semi-final match. I watched it. Nadal got destroyed by it.

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 03:18 AM
What Nadal got destroyed by is the abdominal tear he had. If was at 100%, Del Shitro wouldn't fluke USO.

kyleskywalker007
06-14-2012, 03:23 AM
What Nadal got destroyed by is the abdominal tear he had. If was at 100%, Del Shitro wouldn't fluke USO.

Yeah, we all know the story. Rafa has won all the matches heīs played. The ones he lost were because he was injured:awww:

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 03:24 AM
Yeah, we all know the story. Rafa has won all the matches heīs played. The ones he lost were because he was injured:awww:

So you'd rather ignore Nadal being wrapped in a mile of bandage in USO 2009 and be a typical Fedtard troll? okay, then :yawn:

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 03:25 AM
What Nadal got destroyed by is the abdominal tear he had. If was at 100%, Del Shitro wouldn't fluke USO.

Nadal wasn't 100%, but he got annihilated. It wasn't even close. 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. That's the worst beat down he's suffered at a slam ever I believe. It was gut wrenching. I was on vacation at the time. And it ruined my day.

Heavy flat hitters have always been an issue for Nadal, especially at the US Open where you can really hit through the court. That's a bad matchup for him even healthy. Nadal's top spin bounces right into Del Pony's wheelhouse. And whatever you guys might think, Del Potro's serve was very good that year. He was serving 130+.

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 03:29 AM
Nadal wasn't 100%, but he got annihilated. It wasn't even close. 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. That's the worst beat down he's suffered at a slam ever I believe. It was gut wrenching. I was on vacation at the time. And it ruined my day.

Heavy flat hitters have always been an issue for Nadal, especially at the US Open where you can really hit through the court. That's a bad matchup for him even healthy. Nadal's top spin bounces right into Del Pony's wheelhouse. And whatever you guys might think, Del Potro's serve was very good that year. He was serving 130+.

Thus his awful H2H against Berdych, Cilic, Soderling, Del Potro....


...Oh wait.

Nadal is an awful match up for mindless ballbashers. It's great defenders with great RoS that give him more trouble.

Healthy Nadal OWNS players like Del Potro. They are not in the same dimension, talent wise.

kyleskywalker007
06-14-2012, 03:30 AM
So you'd rather ignore Nadal being wrapped in a mile of bandage in USO 2009 and be a typical Fedtard troll? okay, then :yawn:

Many players are wrapped in bandage either to prevent an injury or to ease some pain. The fact that he kept on playing and running meant he was fit to play.

Mark Lenders
06-14-2012, 03:30 AM
Nadal wasn't 100%, but he got annihilated. It wasn't even close. 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. That's the worst beat down he's suffered at a slam ever I believe. It was gut wrenching. I was on vacation at the time. And it ruined my day.

Heavy flat hitters have always been an issue for Nadal, especially at the US Open where you can really hit through the court. That's a bad matchup for him even healthy. Nadal's top spin bounces right into Del Pony's wheelhouse. And whatever you guys might think, Del Potro's serve was very good that year. He was serving 130+.

Nah, the worst beatdown Nadal every got at a Slam was from Tsonga in AO 2008, that was incredible stuff from Jo Willy.

The US Open match vs JMDP was closer than the scoreline indicates, Nadal was in a lot of the games. Agree about Delpo being a bad matchup for Nadal; even in his comeback year with poor form/fitness, he gave Nadal all he could handle at Wimbledon and DC on clay.

His serve isn't bad per se, it's bad for a guy his height and that was the case even before his injury. The only big man on tour with a worse serve is Cilic.

With his height + the most powerful strokes on tour, he should really be dominating with his serve, which he never did even in his best year.

kyleskywalker007
06-14-2012, 03:32 AM
Nah, the worst beatdown Nadal every got at a Slam was from Tsonga in AO 2008, that was incredible stuff from Jo Willy.

The US Open match vs JMDP was closer than the scoreline indicates, Nadal was in a lot of the games. Agree about Delpo being a bad matchup for Nadal; even in his comeback year with poor form/fitness, he gave Nadal all he could handle at Wimbledon and DC on clay.

His serve isn't bad per se, it's bad for a guy his height and that was the case even before his injury. The only big man on tour with a worse serve is Cilic.

Indeed, his serve could be a lot better given his phisique, but itīs still not a bad one.

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 03:33 AM
Many players are wrapped in bandage either to prevent an injury or to ease some pain. The fact that he kept on playing and running meant he was fit to play.

Does that mean all the Del Potro tards on this forum will admit that all of the humiliating losses he suffered since his comeback as well as getting spanked by Fed/Nadal multiple times were 100% fit Delpotro playing at 100%?

kyleskywalker007
06-14-2012, 03:40 AM
Does that mean all the Del Potro tards on this forum will admit that all of the humiliating losses he suffered since his comeback as well as getting spanked by Fed/Nadal multiple times were 100% fit Delpotro playing at 100%?

Del Potro has been 100% fit ever since he came back, i donīt think anyone will say no to that. His current problems are of different nature, maybe mental or technical.

So yeah, Nadal has been mauling a 100% fit Delpo, but not peak Delpo, thatīs for sure.

Mark Lenders
06-14-2012, 03:47 AM
Del Potro has been 100% fit ever since he came back, i donīt think anyone will say no to that. His current problems are of different nature, maybe mental or technical.

So yeah, Nadal has been mauling a 100% fit Delpo, but not peak Delpo, thatīs for sure.

Say what? In both their Wimbledon and DC matches tiebreaks made the difference. Nadal did play the big points better, but he hardly mauled Del Potro. They both broke each other once at Wimbledon, and Nadal had one more break at DC.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 03:47 AM
7 titles at any one given slam is nearly impossible.

nole is great but he is not as dominant on hard court as clay warrior is on clay.

in fact nobody in the entire history of the sport of tennis has ever been this dominant on a particular surface.

you would be looking at 8 french opens had he not fucked up both of his knees in 2009.

that said, he is still going to be able add another 2-3 french opens to his collection.


anyway 7 Oz titles is not going to be easy for anybody.

kyleskywalker007
06-14-2012, 03:49 AM
Say what? In both their Wimbledon and DC matches tiebreaks made the difference. Nadal did play the big points better, but he hardly mauled Del Potro. They both broke each other once at Wimbledon, and Nadal had one more break at DC.

Maybe a bit of an overreaction. But....with the possible exception of the DC match...however close Delpo has made their matches, iīve always felt the result was NID.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 03:50 AM
Thus his awful H2H against Berdych, Cilic, Soderling, Del Potro....

...Oh wait.

Nadal is an awful match up for mindless ballbashers. It's great defenders with great RoS that give him more trouble.

Healthy Nadal OWNS players like Del Potro. They are not in the same dimension, talent wise.

Not on hard courts. Aggressive players that hit through the court do well against Nadal on this surface. Nadal is the best defensive player in the game and anyone who goes that route thinking they are going to win ends up losing. You have to hit Nadal off the court to beat him on hard courts. That's how Djokovic has been beating him. Novak is dictating the points through aggressive hard ground strokes. And Nadal currently has no answer for it on that surface. We'll see how things shape up later this year, but I'm not hopeful if I'm being honest. I think you are underestimating the holes in Nadals HC game. It's not stellar.

Against Del Potro (on hard courts), Nadal is 3-3. In 2009 when Del Potro was at the height of his power, Nadal lost 3 straight to him on that surface.

Nadal has only played Soderling twice off clay/grass. They are 1-1.

Marin Cilic and Nadal have only played twice on hard courts. Also 1-1.

I grant you Berdych is Nadal's pigeon. Can't argue that one. I also agree that on natural surfaces (clay/grass), Nadal destroys all these players. But that is his comfort zone where he is the best in the world IMO.

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 03:50 AM
Agreed, CD. Nadal should be looking to win one more RG so he can surpass Evert's RG count. That way he can become greatest clay player in history among men and women...

Mark Lenders
06-14-2012, 03:53 AM
Maybe a bit of an overreaction. But....with the possible exception of the DC match...however close Delpo has made their matches, iīve always felt the result was NID.

DC felt far more NID than Wimbledon. Del Potro was completely out of gas by the middle of the second set, it's a miracle that he almost took the fourth set.

But yes, his 2011 matches vs top players all had a NID feeling about it. Not surprisingly, considering it was his comeback year. Hopefully things will change soon.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 03:59 AM
Agreed, CD. Nadal should be looking to win one more RG so he can surpass Evert's RG count. That way he can become greatest clay player in history among men and women...


he should put in relaxed efforts on all hard court events for the rest of his career and target RG and wimbledon only. let somebody else fight for them.

that saves the knees and prolongs his career. and that is more important than anything.


so his goals should be:

1. 3 more french opens
2. 3 more wimbledon titles

and he moved best on natural surfaces so he has a bit of a competitive advantage there.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 03:59 AM
7 titles at any one given slam is nearly impossible.

nole is great but he is not as dominant on hard court as clay warrior is on clay.

in fact nobody in the entire history of the sport of tennis has ever been this dominant on a particular surface.

you would be looking at 8 french opens had he not fucked up both of his knees in 2009.

that said, he is still going to be able add another 2-3 french opens to his collection.

anyway 7 Oz titles is not going to be easy for anybody.

Finally a voice of reason. I've been trying to argue this all day. 7 aussie open titles is not going to happen. Maybe Novak gets to 4 or 5. 7 would require him to win 4 of the next 5 years through this 30th birthday. Impossible.

kyleskywalker007
06-14-2012, 04:03 AM
Finally a voice of reason. I've been trying to argue this all day. 7 aussie open titles is not going to happen. Maybe Novak gets to 4 or 5. 7 would require him to win 4 of the next 5 years through this 30th birthday. Impossible.

Heīs not the only voice of reason, anyone with an ounce of a brain knows anyone predecting 7 AOs for Djoko is bordering delusion.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 04:05 AM
he should put in relaxed efforts on all hard court events for the rest of his career and target RG and wimbledon only. let somebody else fight for them.

that saves the knees and prolongs his career.


so his goals should be:

1. 3 more french opens
2. 3 more wimbledon titles

and he moved best on natural surfaces so he has a bit of a competitive advantage there.

There's good logic there. Injuries is the thing I worry most about for Clay Warrior, especially the knees. And hard courts is the biggest contributor to that. Nadal needs to moderate his court time on that surface.

Having said that, if he wants a shot at GOAT status, 1 US and 1 Aussie is not going to cut it IMO when you have a guy like Federer who has so many of each slam (outside the French). I think Nadal needs one more of each HC slam. If he got that, he'd have two career grand slams. Add 1-2 more RG and 1 more Wimbledon, and his count would be 15-16. Add in his H2H advantage against the current GOAT (Federer), and I think you have a pretty solid case for Nadal as GOAT.

If he wins 3 more RG and 3 more Wimbledons, it would be an amazing achievement, but I think you would always be able to point to his limited (comparatively speaking) success off clay/grass.

So if I were Nadal, I would try this year and next year to win the US and Aussie Open. After that, I would focus entirely on clay/grass and try to snag as many more of those as possible. I think trying to win a HC slam after 28 will be a waste of time and just end his career sooner. Just my 2 cents.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 04:11 AM
he does not need a goat status jeff.

he just needs to protect his knees, his health, and his longevity.

and he should target those slams where his competitive advantages lie.

those competitive advantages are on natural surfaces.

fed is not weaker since he has only 1 rg title. fed domimated grass and hard court slams for a reason. that was where his competitive advantges were.


all nadal needs is 3 more french opens and 3 more wimbledons.

and that is it. let the historians worry about his place in history.


again this saves the knees, prolongs the career, and allows him 6 more slams.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 04:19 AM
he does not need a goat status jeff.

he just needs to protect his knees, his health, and his longevity.

and he should target those slams where his competitive advantages lie.

those competitive advantages are on natural surfaces.

fed is not weaker since he has only 1 rg title. fed domimated grass and hard court slams for a reason. that was where his competitive advantges were.


all nadal needs is 3 more french opens and 3 more wimbledons.

and that is it. let the historians worry about his place in history.


again this saves the knees, prolongs the career, and allows him 6 more slams.

Sound reasoning. I can't really argue it. But Nadal is too competitive to simply not compete in the other slams. I do hope he keeps his hard court season as short as possible though. I think we both agree trying to win hard court mater series events is pointless at this stage in his career. Slams is all that matters. I'm greedy though, so I would love to see him find a way to get another HC slam or two. But I'd trade 1 US and 1 AO for 3 RG and 3 Wimbledon. Any day of the week.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 04:22 AM
not me. i will take a healthy clay warrior with no knee issues and keep him a long time in the sport than to have him destroy his knees chasing hard court slams and have him exit the sport in a year or 2.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 04:25 AM
not me. i will take a healthy clay warrior with no knee issues and keep him a long time in the sport than to have him destroy his knees chasing hard court slams and have him exit the sport in a year or 2.

I agree. Not sure I worded it correctly. I want Clay Warrior playing as long as possible. He needs to protect his knees. And if he could find a way to win 3 more RG and 3 more Wimbledons, that would be remarkable.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 04:33 AM
he has been wrecking his knees on hard courts ever since he was 17.

now the time has to come be extremely careful. but he is not going to listen to anybody way.

he has had an indoor hard court installed for him in mallorca so he can wreck his knees year around.

and i have seen zero improvements from him. zero. he had not won a title in nealry 11 months until he arrived in monte carlo.

so all that work on hard courts is producing exactly nothing but damaged knees.


it took clay to straighten out his ground game just in time to snatch that 7th RG title.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 04:42 AM
he has been wrecking his knees on hard courts ever since he was 17.

now the time has to come be extremely careful. but he is not going to listen to anybody way.

he has had an indoor hard court installed for him in mallorca so he can wreck his knees year around.

and i have seen zero improvements from him. zero. he had not won a title in nealry 11 months until he arrived in monte carlo.

so all that work on hard courts is producing exactly nothing but damaged knees.


it took clay to straighten out his ground game just in time to snatch that 7th RG title.

I'm conflicted on all this. You have to admire his dedication. He wants to keep improving and his weakness is hard courts, so he is trying to improve that part of his game at all costs (perhaps to his detriment). You can argue his time would be better spent staying healthy so he can win 10 RG titles. But that's not how he works. I don't think he'd be happy doing that because it would be him giving up . He likes challenges and he likes finding a way to overcome them.

It's frustrating in a way, but I think we need to realize that this part of his character (his single minded focus) is a huge reason why he has been this successful. It's his relentless focus and drive that is the main reason he has 7 RG titles. It's why he has a career grand slam. I'm not sure I'd want that part of him to change if I'm being honest. He's not clay warrior without it.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 04:47 AM
excellent post general jeff.

hipolymer
06-14-2012, 06:14 AM
Finally a voice of reason. I've been trying to argue this all day. 7 aussie open titles is not going to happen. Maybe Novak gets to 4 or 5. 7 would require him to win 4 of the next 5 years through this 30th birthday. Impossible.

Actually if he wins the next 4 AO's he'll be age 28.

cocrcici
06-14-2012, 09:22 AM
Actually if he wins the next 4 AO's he'll be age 28.

Finally :smoke:

Allez
06-14-2012, 07:21 PM
Not impossible but highly improbable. Rafa was really close this year. I'd give him a slight edge next year. I think Nole will win two more AO's. That's not a slam that produces dominant champions a la Wimbledon/RG.

Mark Lenders
06-14-2012, 07:24 PM
The AO is the most difficult Slam to dominate. It's the first Slam of the year and the more physical one; while Nadal, Murray and co. around Novak will have to keep putting in 10 hours+ in semi + final to win this tournament, since the surface is so slow that it's impossible to hit through, grindathons are an inevitability.

So yeah, he won't get to 7, but if he did it'd be one of the greatest records in tennis for sure. This is by far the most difficult Slam venue to dominate.

Looner
06-14-2012, 07:26 PM
Why did this thread turn into RN worshipping exercise again...

I think he can get to 7 but he'll need to be playing his best at the beginning of the year and he seems like a sort of player who does that - similar to Safin and Agassi in a way. However, it would be tough. He can definitely get to 5 and even 7 if he can improve his serve.

BigJohn
06-14-2012, 09:23 PM
You need to put more effort into it. ;)

:lol:

In a thread as tardish as this one, no I do not.

Jimnik
06-14-2012, 09:52 PM
Hope AO doesn't sink to RG/Wimby level of dominance.

thrust
06-14-2012, 10:16 PM
Those were mug eras. There is no fucking way a 33+ year old is winning a slam these days.

60's-early 70's were pretty much a few top guys beating challengers. Nadal/Fed/Djoker would probably win 200+ titles if they played in an era where "GOAT" was 174cm tall :o

NONSENSE! Those tournaments were on grass, which is kinder to an older body, but it was not a mug era and Ken still had to beat top players much younger than he was.

cocrcici
01-27-2013, 09:12 PM
4 Down 3 To Go :)

Nole fan
01-27-2013, 09:15 PM
Its very possible. :)

janko05
01-27-2013, 09:46 PM
in before some experts say it's impossible :devil: