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Your Expectations For The Great Serbian Slayer For The Rest Of 2012

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 01:43 AM
have at it. the floor is at your disposal.

1. will the effects of this loss at rg linger on a little longer?

2. what about the extreme amount of mental and physical capital that he spent at the rg campaign? at what point does mental and physical fatigue come into play?

3. has the dynamic between nole and the clay warrior changed?

4. are the chances for defending wimbledon and the u.s. open higher, lower, or the same?

Topspindoctor
06-13-2012, 01:49 AM
He'll win USO most likely. Wimby/Olympics will be won by Olderer/Nadal.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 01:49 AM
a related question:

assuming nole is affected by this loss and the very long and grueling rg campaign, can Fed capitalize on this dynamic also.

can Fed get back in the picture and do some major damage at this wimbledon?

mystic ice cube
06-13-2012, 01:50 AM
I don't think RG loss will affect him much at all TBH. He bounced back last year and won Wimbledon, and we all know how strong he can be when he's up for it. Nadal is looking great; It's hard not to have Nole favourite for USO, but anything could happen at Wimbledon.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 02:13 AM
that is a valid point right there. he did bounce back from that semifinal defeat at rg in 2011.


that being said, this was a final and it was a grueling campaign this time just to make it to the final. and then the final lasted 2 days.

Time Violation
06-13-2012, 02:43 AM
Physically he seemed fine, I don't think that's going to be a problem, moreover, he's only going to play an exo before Wimbledon (unlike others :p). He did better this year than the last year at RG, so mentally too shouldn't be worse than last year.

If Fed keeps playing like he did post-IW, his chances to win aynthing will be extremely slim. Anyway, if Nole defends any of the 2 remaining slams, it will still be his 2nd best year on tour (if not already).

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 02:49 AM
exactly how many hours did nole log in at rg? anybody has that stat?

and how many did he log in last year at rg?

BauerAlmeida
06-13-2012, 03:43 AM
He will win the USO and Wimbledon or the Olympics (not both). And he will win Canada or Cincinatti.

After that it depends on what he plays and what he skipps, hard to know but I think he will do well at the TMC.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 03:46 AM
Excellent post. Here are my thoughts:

1. I think his loss to Rafa will only play a factor for Nole if he meets Nadal in the final (assuming Nadal is number 2 seed - is that guaranteed? Anyone know?). The manner in which he lost (DF on Match Point) may weigh on him. He has struggled with his serve in the past and to have it fail on him in that crucial moment may affect him quite a bit.

2. Novak is the fittest guy on tour along with Nadal. He's also 25 and in his prime. IMO, his exertions will have no impact on his performance at Wimbledon.

3. IMO, it has changed for Nadal. He had lingering doubts about his ability to beat Novak in a best of 5. You could see that during the third set when things were going badly for him. But the delay allowed him to focus, face his fears and conquer them. Should Nadal and Novak meet in Wimbledon, it will not be Nadal going out meekly in 4. Clay Warrior will come confident and ready for war.

4. Novak's chances of defending Wimbledon are lower only because I think a confident Nadal firing on all cylinders can beat him there. I do not believe it does anything to his chances at the US Open though. Right now, I do not believe Nadal possesses the weapons required to beat Nole in a best of 5 on hard courts. He needs to rediscoverd hsi 2010 serve and 2008 backhand first.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 03:51 AM
we also should keep this in mind folks:

without a doubt nole`s best surface is hard courts.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 03:53 AM
we also should keep this in mind folks:

without a doubt nole`s best surface is hard courts.

I agree with this. I actually don't think he is all that great on grass. Last year was an anomoly. He was playing the tennis of his life, and he didn't have to play Federer and got an out-of-sorts Nadal.

This is going to be a much harder Wimbledon for him IMO.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 03:58 AM
on fire berdych or tsonga may be able to do some damage.

i have to agree with general jeff: clay warrior is bad news if your name is nole right now.

nadal will have the advantage this time. he has the confidence and the exactly the right momentum off the ground. his forehand will be far more lethal on grass.

and that backhand finally came around. it just needed clay.

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 03:58 AM
Won't win another slam this year. I give Wimbledon to Tsonga or Murray. The U.S. Open. I am not sure. Maybe Nadal. Who knows. Depends on hardcourt form before

J99
06-13-2012, 03:58 AM
Excellent post. Here are my thoughts:

1. I think his loss to Rafa will only play a factor for Nole if he meets Nadal in the final (assuming Nadal is number 2 seed - is that guaranteed? Anyone know?). The manner in which he lost (DF on Match Point) may weigh on him. He has struggled with his serve in the past and to have it fail on him in that crucial moment may affect him quite a bit.

2. Novak is the fittest guy on tour along with Nadal. He's also 25 and in his prime. IMO, his exertions will have no impact on his performance at Wimbledon.

3. IMO, it has changed for Nadal. He had lingering doubts about his ability to beat Novak in a best of 5. You could see that during the third set when things were going badly for him. But the delay allowed him to focus, face his fears and conquer them. Should Nadal and Novak meet in Wimbledon, it will not be Nadal going out meekly in 4. Clay Warrior will come confident and ready for war.

4. Novak's chances of defending Wimbledon are lower only because I think a confident Nadal firing on all cylinders can beat him there. I do not believe it does anything to his chances at the US Open though. Right now, I do not believe Nadal possesses the weapons required to beat Nole in a best of 5 on hard courts. He needs to rediscoverd hsi 2010 serve and 2008 backhand first.

I don't know about that, I think he uses his flexability to his advantage more than hard gym work and sprinting etc, so he doesn't have to work as hard, Rafa has to work harder, and Murray too is in a similar situation, them and Ferrer I'd say are the fittest.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:13 AM
I don't know about that, I think he uses his flexability to his advantage more than hard gym work and sprinting etc, so he doesn't have to work as hard, Rafa has to work harder, and Murray too is in a similar situation, them and Ferrer I'd say are the fittest.

Novak's 6 hour grindfest at the Australian says otherwise. That was freakish the endurance he showed in that match. I hear what your saying about him using less energy than Nadal. But 6 hours of tennis is 6 hours of tennis. Novak is a machine.

I do agree Ferrer is very fit as well, but he can't last that long anymore at 30. Ferrer at 25, absolutely. Not now though.

Less impressed with Murray, but as a fan I'm pretty critical of him because I think he's an underachiever and it annoys me.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 04:16 AM
nole may be the fittest and the strongest man in tennis.

being nearly 6 foot 3 helps.

also playing the game close to the baseline helps.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:21 AM
nole may be the fittest and the strongest man in tennis.

being nearly 6 foot 3 helps.

also playing the game close to the baseline helps.

Uh oh CD... you just said something nice about a player other than Rafa. You wouldn't want to confuse the hate mob. We need to keep things black and white for them so they have easy targets to spew their endless amounts of bullshit at.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 04:25 AM
Uh oh CD... you just said something nice about a player other than Rafa. You wouldn't want to confuse the hate mob. We need to keep things black and white for them so they have easy targets to spew their endless amounts of bullshit at.


affirmative. ejacuzees of the lost world have no idea general.


people like you and i are far more interested in the sport of tennis than we are in any one individual player.

we can see what players like fed, tsonga, and nole are capable of and what their unique gifts are.


i may be nadal`s harshest and toughest critic. i am still not happy with him.

viruzzz
06-13-2012, 04:32 AM
No Wimbledon.
50% chances of winning USO.
Big chances winning Olympics.

1 Masters at least.

SerialKillerToBe
06-13-2012, 04:36 AM
No Wimbledon.
50% chances of winning USO.
Big chances winning Olympics.

1 Masters at least.

Nole is much more vulnerable in best of 3. I don't see how he has a good chance of winning Olympics, but not a repeat of Wimbledon.

J99
06-13-2012, 04:40 AM
Novak's 6 hour grindfest at the Australian says otherwise. That was freakish the endurance he showed in that match. I hear what your saying about him using less energy than Nadal. But 6 hours of tennis is 6 hours of tennis. Novak is a machine.

I do agree Ferrer is very fit as well, but he can't last that long anymore at 30. Ferrer at 25, absolutely. Not now though.

Less impressed with Murray, but as a fan I'm pretty critical of him because I think he's an underachiever and it annoys me.

Yeah, but did you see Nole in between those PTS, he was barely making it, whereas Rafa didn't look like that, if anyone's a machine it's Rafa, at least he appears that way.

Not to mention, that the match was only that long cause they were both waiting forever, for the other guy to serve, with their in between point antics.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 04:40 AM
i have to agree with that.

anybody can get hot in a best of 3 sets foremat.

tests
06-13-2012, 07:01 AM
Novak at most will win one slam this year (The USO). I don't see him winning wimbledon TBH. Nadal is a 100 % shoe-in to take the wimby trophy this year.

Federer is pathetic and folds at the sight of nadal (and nadal WILL make the final, you can quote me on that).

Tsonga is a choker

Berdych.... is berdych

Potro is too injury prone.


So for my prediction:
Nadal to win wimbledon and olympics.

Novak to win USO and some masters

uxyzapenje
06-13-2012, 08:23 AM
I don't think he will suffer after this loss. I give him 40% chance (same as Rafa) for Wimbledon, but if they meat in the final I give Novak an adventage. I think he will win Olympics, he said it was his main goal aside from RG for this year. I see him winning USO in 2 ways: 1. He wins Wimbledon and/or (probably or) Olympics and rides on his confidance to his 2nd USO; 2) He doesn't win neather but regroups just in time for the USO (Going out in both Canada and Cinci before the final before that). And if he beats Rafa in Wimbledon or Olympics final he will for sure win USO, Nadal will be unsure again. If he can't beat him in best of 5 on grass, he surely can't do it on hard

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 08:34 AM
I don't see him winning on grass. He'll get to the Finals of the USO at least. Shanghai should be his, maybe a couple of indoors. It all rests on the USO

Chase Visa
06-13-2012, 08:35 AM
Should win the US Open and probably a couple of Masters. No sweat.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 10:29 AM
i have to agree with that.

anybody can get hot in a best of 3 sets foremat.

Absolutely. So much harder to beat the top players in a best of 5.

With that in mind, isn't the final of the olympics best of 5? I'd love to see Nadal win a second one of those, but I think Federer will be doing everything in his power to win that. It's all that's missing from his incredible resume. And it's on grass. That's practically meant to be if I'm being honest. Fed is my pick there.

I need to see how Rafa and Nole both play at Wimbledon. It's just too soon to make good predictions. I never feel as confident going into that because I just feel like Nadal is vulnerable on that surface especially in the first week. He gets pushed to 5 sets a lot. In fact, I think he was pushed to 5 last year in the early rounds and in 2008 when he won it. This isn't a tournament he steamrolls at.

Novak is my favorite for US Open though. Maybe Del Potro makes a run. He has been looking pretty good as of late.

heya
06-13-2012, 12:08 PM
nolebooby will not be in 5 setters, unlike federer

sicko
06-13-2012, 12:34 PM
nole should still win against nadal on non-clay surfaces, even on grass. (If he had a serve at the RG F, he could have won there as well.)

and against federer he should win everywhere.

so if he keeps his concentration up, he should win another slam and end the year as no.1.

Fireballer
06-13-2012, 12:35 PM
Won't win another slam this year. I give Wimbledon to Tsonga or Murray. The U.S. Open. I am not sure. Maybe Nadal. Who knows. Depends on hardcourt form before

who cares that you would give W to Tsonga(a clown choking ballbasher) or Murray(no FH choker).Wimbledon will be won by Top3 and US Open by Djoker.On hardcourt GS's he has no match

romismak
06-13-2012, 12:40 PM
My expectation for him are the same like in january before AO, i thought he can win AO,USO - the same stays, i think he will be for sure biggest favorit at USO, i don ´t think he will win Wimbledon or Olympics, but he can do it, at least SF at both events, maybe QF at Wimby- if Tsonga-Berdych in form will be in his section. I can see him win at least 1 from 2 summer NA HC Masters. Than post-USO he is defending almost nothing, so i can see him play at least F in either Shanghai, Paris- if he will play them and i can see him add many points during indoor season-maybe win finally WTF in London. I believe he will end up No.1, Roger will be defending post-USO almost everything and Rafa no matter how confident and if No.1 in summer, he won´t add more points post-USO than Nole and the point-wise difference won´t be big.

BroTree123
06-13-2012, 12:55 PM
He's got great athletic ability but in the long-term he really ain't all that fit. Seems like his footwork has degraded since late last year. Looked even more spent after winning AO.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 01:51 PM
Absolutely. So much harder to beat the top players in a best of 5.

With that in mind, isn't the final of the olympics best of 5? I'd love to see Nadal win a second one of those, but I think Federer will be doing everything in his power to win that. It's all that's missing from his incredible resume. And it's on grass. That's practically meant to be if I'm being honest. Fed is my pick there.

I need to see how Rafa and Nole both play at Wimbledon. It's just too soon to make good predictions. I never feel as confident going into that because I just feel like Nadal is vulnerable on that surface especially in the first week. He gets pushed to 5 sets a lot. In fact, I think he was pushed to 5 last year in the early rounds and in 2008 when he won it. This isn't a tournament he steamrolls at.

Novak is my favorite for US Open though. Maybe Del Potro makes a run. He has been looking pretty good as of late.


fed is my pick for the gold at the olympics. he is probably going to be the one who stops nole there.

bounccer
06-13-2012, 02:14 PM
Probably one slam, Wimbledon or US Open, i don't know.