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The Most Important Victory of Nadal's Career

Postpre
06-12-2012, 11:07 PM
After reflecting upon Nadal's career, I'm convinced that the Roland Garros final on Sun/Mon against Djokovic was the most important victory of his career. First, here are the top 3 victories of his career:

1) Roland Garros 2012 (Djokovic)
2) Roland Garros 2010 (Soderling)
3) Wimbledon 2008 (Federer)

When we speak of most important victories, we have to factor what can be gained/lost over a win/loss. If Nadal had lost RG 2012 to Novak, it would have been devastating to his career. He'd forever be known as the Non-Calendar Reverse Slam Winner (losing all four finals to the guy who achieved a Non-Calendar Slam). His reputation, pride, and fan base would have been severely affected. Over the top Novak fans would have mocked Nadal the rest of his career and beyond.

But, he won, and eclipsed Borg, and is officially the Clay GOAT, and is 6-3 against Novak in Slams (19-14 head to head). No one really cares much about the the last three Slam finals he lost, as no one expects Nadal to dominate fast/hard courts anyway.

What do you think are the most important matches of Rafa's career?

Johnny Groove
06-12-2012, 11:10 PM
Rome 2005 finals. And 06.

Clay Death
06-12-2012, 11:21 PM
affirmative. i have to agree with that.

this was a record that he needed to break this year. would have done it already if he had not fucked up his knees in 2009.

this may work out for him in other ways as well. this could change the dynamic at the top of the sport. he may play more relaxed and more freely than he ever has.

he may have given himself the mental edge and the confidence he needs in slam finals.

this win has clearly brought his competitive fire to the forefront again.

a warrior within has reawakened. now we will see how far he can run with this.

TennisOnWood
06-12-2012, 11:22 PM
Rome 2005 finals. And 06.

When the champion was made

dazed1
06-12-2012, 11:26 PM
When the champion was made

And the choker was born.

Ben.
06-12-2012, 11:34 PM
Certainly RG 2010 is one of them. This was the only other time, apart from yesterday, that I've seen him so emotional after a GS victory. It obviously removed a lot of doubts he must have had since mid 2009 and allowed him to win the next two slams.

What impact RG 2012 will have is yet to be seen but it clearly meant a great deal to him and had massive meaning in terms of the record books. An ultra confident Nadal could return, Djokovic may lose some confidence or maybe nothing will change.

Wimbledon 2008 was so impressive as he had come so close the year before and it allowed him to take the #1 soon after and then go on to beat Fed in five sets in Melbourne.

His first RG victory over Puerta is obviously very important, his repeat over Fed the next year as well.

n8
06-12-2012, 11:35 PM
His first Slam off clay, Wimbledon 2008 final.

Followed by the US Open 2010 final.

TigerTim
06-12-2012, 11:47 PM
His first Slam off clay, Wimbledon 2008 final.

Followed by the US Open 2010 final.

Agreed. And Rome 2005.

Manequin75
06-13-2012, 12:01 AM
(1) FO 2012
(2) W 2008
(3) US 2010
(4) AO 2009
(5) FO 2010
(6) FO 2005
(7) W 2010
(8) FO 2011
(9) FO 2006
(10)FO 2007
(11)FO 2008


wow :)

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 12:33 AM
Certainly RG 2010 is one of them. This was the only other time, apart from yesterday, that I've seen him so emotional after a GS victory. It obviously removed a lot of doubts he must have had since mid 2009 and allowed him to win the next two slams.

What impact RG 2012 will have is yet to be seen but it clearly meant a great deal to him and had massive meaning in terms of the record books. An ultra confident Nadal could return, Djokovic may lose some confidence or maybe nothing will change.

Wimbledon 2008 was so impressive as he had come so close the year before and it allowed him to take the #1 soon after and then go on to beat Fed in five sets in Melbourne.

His first RG victory over Puerta is obviously very important, his repeat over Fed the next year as well.

2010 rg was huge too general. no doubt about it.



this one is the biggest of them all. this record has no chance of being approached, let alone being ever equalled.

also all the weight of losing those 3 slams to nole is off. his career is revived in a way now. he may really start working on his game with little more focus.

the sport has become too demanding and becomes more so with each passing year. 7 or 8 or even 9 french opens is a record that will stand forever.

in fact with #7 in the back pocket, the next 2 RG titles may have just become a little easier for him.

hipolymer
06-13-2012, 12:49 AM
Nadal's most important victories:

2008 Wimbledon final
2009 Australian Open final
2010 US Open final

Simply because they are slam wins off of clay.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 12:51 AM
valid arguments there hipolymer. those 3 were crucial in overall scheme of things.

we knew he was going to snatch wimbledon sooner or later but those 2 hard court titles were little more suspect.

especially the u.s. open.

so they had to be done.

Quadruple Tree
06-13-2012, 12:56 AM
Nadal v. knee tendonitis 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, ...

Mountaindewslave
06-13-2012, 01:17 AM
oh Wimbledon 08 for sure or possibly Wimbledon 07', because at one of the two Nadal knew and believed he could win big off of clay.

most significant. without those finals he would probably never have become what he is today. I suppose the Soderling 10' victory was key too but considering that match was never really in doubt I would not credit it so much, Nadal knew he could beat Robin when healthy

Topspindoctor
06-13-2012, 01:20 AM
Wimbledon 2008 - finally dethroning "GOAT"

RG 2012 - denying Novak a HUGE historic achievement and destroying Borg's RG record

USO 2010 - Career grand slam

RG 2011 - played like shit, BS'd his way to a title. Must have been satisfying.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 01:24 AM
i think 7 french opens in modern tennis is the most stunning achievement in all of sports. this truly defies the imagination.

and look who he has had to deal with to get them.


so 7th rg is the one for me.

borg is out of the conversation and this record will stand forever and ever. and to make it even more astounding, at least 2 more rg titles are on the way.

this one also frees him to play with reckless abandon and completely without fear ever again.




and that does not mean that i am happy with him.

stewietennis
06-13-2012, 01:24 AM
French Open 2005 is where it all started so that'll have to be first on the list
Wimbledon 2008 because this one showed he wasn't a single surface wonder
French Open 2012 to surpass Borg and re-affirm his supremacy on the surface against a surging #1
Australian Open 2009 against his greatest rival on his weakest surface
US Open 2010 to complete the set

While his titles off clay are major achievements, I think his French Open wins may be getting a little downgraded because people expect him to win there. I believe any French Open title is important to Nadal because this surface is his bastion - like Wimbledon was for Sampras and Federer. A French Open win is evidence that Nadal hasn't physically declined.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 01:37 AM
Wimbledon 2008 has to be the greatest Rafa moment for me. He dethroned a guy who hadn't lost in 6 years. It was a remarkable match that lasted almost 8 hours with rain delays. And it came down to what amounts to a handful of points. It was incredible.

RG 2012 for all the reasons Clay Death listed. Frankly, RG 2012 is a very close second and I can see the argument for making it number one. Losing it would have likely destroyed the next year or more of his career. He may never have won another slam.

RG 2010. Redemption for his one loss. He got to face his conqueror in the final and take back what was his. Must have felt amazing for Rafa.

US Open 2010. Career slam. Not something I ever thought he would do if I'm being honest. The US Open is the anti-Nadal tournament. So much working against him there in terms of the weaknesses in his game, the stupid Saturday/Sunday back to back match nonsense and the 5th set tie break crap which I do not believe favors Nadal (who would prefer a drawn out grind that must end with a break).

Australian 2009. Beating Fed at a hard court slam to win his first slam off natural surfaces. Amazing follow-up to 2008. Too bad he got injured shortly after. Who knows what that year could have brought?

Fedex
06-13-2012, 01:42 AM
After reflecting upon Nadal's career, I'm convinced that the Roland Garros final on Sun/Mon against Djokovic was the most important victory of his career. First, here are the top 3 victories of his career:

1) Roland Garros 2012 (Djokovic)
2) Roland Garros 2010 (Soderling)
3) Wimbledon 2008 (Federer)

When we speak of most important victories, we have to factor what can be gained/lost over a win/loss. If Nadal had lost RG 2012 to Novak, it would have been devastating to his career. He'd forever be known as the Non-Calendar Reverse Slam Winner (losing all four finals to the guy who achieved a Non-Calendar Slam). His reputation, pride, and fan base would have been severely affected. Over the top Novak fans would have mocked Nadal the rest of his career and beyond.

But, he won, and eclipsed Borg, and is officially the Clay GOAT, and is 6-3 against Novak in Slams (19-14 head to head). No one really cares much about the the last three Slam finals he lost, as no one expects Nadal to dominate fast/hard courts anyway.

What do you think are the most important matches of Rafa's career?
lol losing 3 slam finals in a row to the same guy is now irrelevant?

Djokovic is still 3-2 against Nadal in finals, and 3-1 since he started dominating the sport. I'd say that does matter.

the biscuit
06-13-2012, 05:39 AM
lol losing 3 slam finals in a row to the same guy is now irrelevant?

Djokovic is still 3-2 against Nadal in finals, and 3-1 since he started dominating the sport. I'd say that does matter.

It matters in a positive way imo. There's an important difference between 4-1 or 3-2 and between the Nole Slam or a record-breaking 7th Roland Garros. The fact that he lost to Novak three times in a row in Slam finals makes this win all the more important, he needed it. IDK but if I were Rafa, I'd be a lot more confident than this time last year. I wonder what the summer has to bring.

BTW, not too sure how you can make this argument in reply to that post when the guy in your icon has only been able to win 2 of the 7 Slam finals he played against his biggest rival (not to mention the 10-18 H2H). So do you think that a certain H2H takes away from achievements or does it only apply to Nadal?

evilmindbulgaria
06-13-2012, 06:37 AM
Wimbledon 2008 followed by Roland Garros 2010.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 10:27 AM
obv rome 06- painfull

i think missing 16 break points at rg 07 was just as bad

feds game on clay was as good as rafas- but he slipped

hamburg 07 was glorios though

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 10:30 AM
borg is out of the conversation .

how many great clay courters did nadal face again?

Matt01
06-13-2012, 01:57 PM
how many great clay courters did nadal face again?


Almost none. But that's not because the other players were so bad, but because Nadal was so good and prevented the other players from winning big clay titles.

BroTree123
06-13-2012, 02:00 PM
Wimbledon 2008 stands alone IMO. It really drew the line of whether he was just another pure clay courter or a player who had the complete package.

bounccer
06-13-2012, 02:05 PM
Wimbledon 2008 stands alone IMO. It really drew the line of whether he was just another pure clay courter or a player who had the complete package.


Bullshit, with a loss he would still snatch some Wimbledon in 2009, 2010 or 2011, past show how good Nadal is to recover (Wimbly 2007, Djokovic's series).

Orange Wombat
06-13-2012, 02:28 PM
French Open 2004. His first slam title.

Ben.
06-13-2012, 02:31 PM
French Open 2004. His first slam title.

Gaudio wont be pleased with this one. Did he make some bad investments and was forced to sell it to Rafa?

Chirag
06-13-2012, 02:31 PM
wimbledon 2008 is hands down Nadal's biggest victory It was his first slam outside of clay and it was the one he wanted the most .For a full year he had prepared just for this match It also signalled the changing of the rankings even though it wasnt official until a few months

LeChuck
06-13-2012, 02:52 PM
Maybe not the most important but going way Nadal's Davis Cup debut against the Czech Republic in Brno in 2004 was pretty big for him. That tie was played on very fast taraflex carpet. He lost the opening rubber against Jiri Novak (he was won all 20 Davis Cup matches he has played in since then). However in the 5th and decisive rubber he beat Stepanek to seal the tie for Spain on their way to the title. Obviously there was a lot of pressure and expectation placed on him at just 17 years of age, and on a surface that didn't suit him at all, but he handled the occasion so well.

He had two huge victories during the 2003 clay court season that really made me sit up and take notice; against the reigning RG champion and world no. 7 Costa at Monte-Carlo, and over his idol and mentor and the world no. 4 Moyá at Hamburg.

rafa_maniac
06-13-2012, 03:04 PM
Wimbledon 08 will forever be his greatest and most treasured victory, beating the GOAT on his favourite surface in the "greatest match ever" after being cruely denied the previous two years and proving himself as an all surface champion and the true world #1. The last 3 French's have all been important for different reasons though. I would also like to call out his win over Kendrick in Wimbledon 2006. He looked for all the world like going down to another un hearalded player and remaining a one surface wonder, but fought his way back from the brink, reached the Wimbledon final and never looked back, reaching four more Wimbledon finals and two titles, and becoming an all surface champ.