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Queens R1: Soeda def. Phau 6-2 6-2

Filo V.
06-12-2012, 07:06 PM
Sad result for the game, obviously, but Bjorn cannot play on grass and has lost his form completely. Broken 6/8 times. Soeda, especially on grass, although he's a scrub, is one of the worst possible match-ups for someone as inconsistent and undersized/underpowered as Bjorn.

willoughby
06-12-2012, 07:10 PM
Expected win for Go. Phau is winless (0-12) on grass in his career :shrug:

Nole Rules
06-12-2012, 07:11 PM
The more gifted player won. Well done, Go.

Hian-GOAT
06-12-2012, 07:14 PM
Bjorn and grass are like Murray and Slams :spit:

Orange Wombat
06-12-2012, 07:14 PM
Bjorn should probably retire soon :hug:

Soeda is not bad on grass :cool:

nole_no1
06-12-2012, 07:15 PM
Phau never won a match on grass ? :eek:

CooCooCachoo
06-12-2012, 07:17 PM
Sad result for the game, obviously, but Bjorn cannot play on grass and has lost his form completely. Broken 6/8 times. Soeda, especially on grass, although he's a scrub, is one of the worst possible match-ups for someone as inconsistent and undersized/underpowered as Bjorn.

:spit: :dumbcomment: :rolls:

I'm sad Björn lost, but the far better grass court player won deservedly.

kiriri***
06-12-2012, 07:19 PM
Expected win for Go. Phau is winless (0-12) on grass in his career :shrug:

Wow:eek: Many of German can play on grass and win several matches.

Filo V.
06-12-2012, 07:19 PM
Phau>Soeda overall, though. And Soeda is a scrub, the player with talent lost here. So overall, that makes it a sad result.

CooCooCachoo
06-12-2012, 07:39 PM
Phau>Soeda overall, though. And Soeda is a scrub, the player with talent lost here. So overall, that makes it a sad result.

I think they're pretty equal in talent. Björn has always been a journeyman (and I say that as someone who greatly enjoys watching him) :shrug: And he's at the end of his career, whereas Soeda is enjoying his best surface. Try not to have your preferences cloud your vision.

J99
06-12-2012, 07:46 PM
Bjorn might not be good on grass, but Soeda is supposed to be worse period.

CooCooCachoo
06-12-2012, 07:54 PM
Soeda gets a disproportionate amount of slack on this board. Sure, he's not the greatest player. And no, he won't be Top 100 for that long. But he does know how to play.

In many ways, Filo, Soeda is similar to Hajek. Great in Challengers; crap on Tour. The difference is in the surfaces they do well on.

Filo V.
06-12-2012, 07:54 PM
There is no way in hell they're equal talents. Equal level players, perhaps, but not equal talents. Bjorn has way, way more talent than Soeda. He's a journeyman because he's short, is inconsistent and underpowered due to his height. But his shotmaking ability far surpasses anything Soeda is capable of.

Filo V.
06-12-2012, 07:57 PM
Soeda gets a disproportionate amount of slack on this board. Sure, he's not the greatest player. And no, he won't be Top 100 for that long. But he does know how to play.

In many ways, Filo, Soeda is similar to Hajek. Great in Challengers; crap on Tour. The difference is in the surfaces they do well on.

Hajek has more talent than Soeda. And the challengers Jan does well in generally have actual good players. Soeda, OTOH, beats guys ranked 150-300 in the Asian challengers he plays. And he only plays well in Asia.

Soeda knows how to play but he gets flack on this forum because he lacks talent. People look at him and see a scrub player who can't really do anything and never has shown he can beat really good players. It is what it is.

CooCooCachoo
06-12-2012, 08:00 PM
Hajek has more talent than Soeda. And the challengers Jan does well in generally have actual good players. Soeda, OTOH, beats guys ranked 150-300 in the Asian challengers he plays. And he only plays well in Asia.

Soeda knows how to play but he gets flack on this forum because he lacks talent. People look at him and see a scrub player who can't really do anything and never has shown he can beat really good players. It is what it is.

I'm glad to see we can finally agree on the fact that Karol Beck isn't a really good player.

And Wawrinka?

You are right about the caliber of Challengers. Hajek might be a bit better, but I am sure you'll agree the comparison isn't far-fetched.

n8
06-12-2012, 08:09 PM
Good stuff Go.

JurajCrane
06-12-2012, 08:17 PM
I'm glad to see we can finally agree on the fact that Karol Beck isn't a really good player.


Karol Beck was supposed to be better than Hajek, Soeda and all these crappy players together ...

he was almost top 30 when he got a 2 year ban, which was a disgrace, total disgrace because it wasn´t his fault.

In his best years, he couldn´t play, but now he is after his 30, so he isn´t the same player anymore.

Henry Chinaski
06-12-2012, 08:36 PM
Phau never won a match on grass ? :eek:

never in a main draw. he has a few wins in qualies though

http://www.matchstat.com/index.php?ControllerName=Player&Id_Player=469&Name_Player=Bjorn+Phau&YearBeg=2000&WeekBeg=15&YearEnd=2012&WeekEnd=53&SurfaceFlt=5&SHOW=S+H+O+W

J99
06-12-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't get why Bjorn is so poor on grass when his best surfaces seem to be hard and fast hard.

mooncreek
06-12-2012, 10:30 PM
Wow:eek: Many of German can play on grass and win several matches.

and yet he's playing Queens instead of Halle. He knew he'd lose but wanted to do it quietly.

Filo V.
06-12-2012, 10:40 PM
I'm glad to see we can finally agree on the fact that Karol Beck isn't a really good player.

And Wawrinka?

You are right about the caliber of Challengers. Hajek might be a bit better, but I am sure you'll agree the comparison isn't far-fetched.
Karol isn't a good player a lot of the time, but when he's actually playing well, he's a full level above Soeda, who actually can beat good players. And Karol choked the loss to Soeda in Bangkok, as he has done often throughout his career.

Wawrinka was injured in his loss vs Soeda.

The comparison in terms of struggling in ATP events in relations to the challengers is true between Hajek and Soeda, but to compare them as players is, IMO, a bit pushing it :p Hajek is simply a better player than Soeda is, with better wins. Jan has beaten players such as Querrey, Lacko, Seppi, Kamke on hardcourt. That's without bringing up the clay court wins Jan has.

J99
06-12-2012, 10:44 PM
Karol isn't a good player a lot of the time, but when he's actually playing well, he's a full level above Soeda, who actually can beat good players. And Karol choked the loss to Soeda in Bangkok, as he has done often throughout his career.

Wawrinka was injured in his loss vs Soeda.

The comparison in terms of struggling in ATP events in relations to the challengers is true between Hajek and Soeda, but to compare them as players is, IMO, a bit pushing it :p Hajek is simply a better player than Soeda is, with better wins. Jan has beaten players such as Querrey, Lacko, Seppi, Kamke on hardcourt. That's without bringing up the clay court wins Jan has.

Does he really help your case.

Chase Visa
06-12-2012, 10:45 PM
I don't get why Bjorn is so poor on grass when his best surfaces seem to be hard and fast hard.

This.

Looks like Soeda's going forward in this tournament :devil:

CooCooCachoo
06-12-2012, 11:04 PM
Karol isn't a good player a lot of the time, but when he's actually playing well, he's a full level above Soeda, who actually can beat good players. And Karol choked the loss to Soeda in Bangkok, as he has done often throughout his career.

Wawrinka was injured in his loss vs Soeda.

The comparison in terms of struggling in ATP events in relations to the challengers is true between Hajek and Soeda, but to compare them as players is, IMO, a bit pushing it :p Hajek is simply a better player than Soeda is, with better wins. Jan has beaten players such as Querrey, Lacko, Seppi, Kamke on hardcourt. That's without bringing up the clay court wins Jan has.

Soeda is a better player than Hajek on 3/4 surfaces.

Filo V.
06-12-2012, 11:05 PM
Soeda is a better player than Hajek on 3/4 surfaces.
Hajek is better on clay than Soeda is on any surface.

CooCooCachoo
06-12-2012, 11:40 PM
Hajek is better on clay than Soeda is on any surface.

Soeda is able to win ATP Tour-level matches on 3/4 surfaces; Hajek has always struggled to do so on clay.

Edited to add: Hajek's last win in an ATP event was in October 2010.

Filo V.
06-12-2012, 11:54 PM
Soeda is able to win ATP Tour-level matches on 3/4 surfaces; Hajek has always struggled to do so on clay.

Edited to add: Hajek's last win in an ATP event was in October 2010.

Soeda sucks.