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Nadal will win at least 3 more Roland Garros titles!

tomcrossnz
06-12-2012, 06:02 PM
Sky Sports UK commentator Mark Petchey believes Rafael Nadal will win at least 3 more Roland Garros titles and possibly equal Roger Federer's total of 16 grand slams!

He gives his full opinion of Roland Garros on 'Sky Sports News Radio's Tennis Weekly Podcast.'

You can listen here - http://www.skysports.com/radio/

or here - http://tennisweekly.jellycast.com/podcast/feed/2

or through iTunes here - http://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/sky-sports-news-radio-tennis/id532708891

Roger the Dodger
06-12-2012, 06:05 PM
Wrong. He will dull everyone by winning 4 more RGs, 7 more Ws, 11 more AOs and 14 more USOs to become the undisputed TITLE GOAT by 35 yrs of age.

Allez
06-12-2012, 07:48 PM
Whilst this quite likely I have lost a little respect for Petch's opinions after he was prepared to dump Rafa and Fed for Nole had he won the RG final. He claimed a win there would have made him the greatest player of this era and therefore of all time :rolleyes: I was like, dude you used to be a serious commentator...what happened :facepalm:

ahadabans
06-12-2012, 08:34 PM
Rafa will probably get 8, maybe 9. I don't think he is winning 10 RG titles. It's just too much to fathom (and this is coming from a big Nadal fan).

If you look at past clay court greats, their best years are 25 and under. Nadal will no longer be unbeatable at RG when he is 28 or 29. Not saying he won't be able to win, just that it will not be automatic.

It's just the way it works in Tennis. Players get older and they stop dominating. Late 20's is past your prime in this sport. It's simply too demanding physically.

Allez
06-12-2012, 08:40 PM
Only if there are good enough players to challenge them. For all intents and purposes the only player who can challenge him is practically of the same age. So there's no age advantage there. Everyone else sucks on clay...or is made to look sucky compared to the supreme talent of Rafa.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-12-2012, 08:57 PM
petch needs to spend less time flirting with courier and.more time watching tennis

ahadabans
06-12-2012, 09:23 PM
Only if there are good enough players to challenge them. For all intents and purposes the only player who can challenge him is practically of the same age. So there's no age advantage there. Everyone else sucks on clay...or is made to look sucky compared to the supreme talent of Rafa.

I guess I just tend to be more cautious when it comes to predicting the future. Rafa won his first RG title when he was 18 I believe. Are you telling me there are no 16-17 year old amateurs right now that aren't a year away from going pro and beating a 28/29 year old Rafa at RG? Michael Chang won RG at 17.

Who could have predicted at the end of 2010 that Nadal would lose 3 straight slam finals against Novak in 2012? Whose to say Murray doesn't get his head on straight in the next year and beat Rafa at next years RG?

Nadal is 26. Your physical peak is 25. He takes great care of himself and is exceedingly disciplined. But his game is extremely physical. It is not realistic to think that at age 28 or 29, he will be as dominate as he is now. It is also not realistic to think that no one is going to appear on the scene who can challenge him over the next three years. That's a long time in tennis.

Mark Lenders
06-12-2012, 09:30 PM
I guess I just tend to be more cautious when it comes to predicting the future. Rafa won his first RG title when he was 18 I believe. Are you telling me there are no 16-17 year old amateurs right now that aren't a year away from going pro and beating a 28/29 year old Rafa at RG? Michael Chang won RG at 17.

Who could have predicted at the end of 2010 that Nadal would lose 3 straight slam finals against Novak in 2012? Whose to say Murray doesn't get his head on straight in the next year and beat Rafa at next years RG?

Nadal is 26. Your physical peak is 25. He takes great care of himself and is exceedingly disciplined. But his game is extremely physical. It is not realistic to think that at age 28 or 29, he will be as dominate as he is now. It is also not realistic to think that no one is going to appear on the scene who can challenge him over the next three years. That's a long time in tennis.

Murray's problem isn't his head, he's quite tough mentally. His problem is his forehand and, to a lesser extent, serve. You can't win Grand Slam events, let alone against Rafa at the French Open, if you're not able to dictate with your forehand.

Allez
06-12-2012, 09:38 PM
I guess I just tend to be more cautious when it comes to predicting the future. Rafa won his first RG title when he was 18 I believe. Are you telling me there are no 16-17 year old amateurs right now that aren't a year away from going pro and beating a 28/29 year old Rafa at RG? Michael Chang won RG at 17.

Who could have predicted at the end of 2010 that Nadal would lose 3 straight slam finals against Novak in 2012? Whose to say Murray doesn't get his head on straight in the next year and beat Rafa at next years RG?

Nadal is 26. Your physical peak is 25. He takes great care of himself and is exceedingly disciplined. But his game is extremely physical. It is not realistic to think that at age 28 or 29, he will be as dominate as he is now. It is also not realistic to think that no one is going to appear on the scene who can challenge him over the next three years. That's a long time in tennis.

Well no juniors have come through in the last 3 years so it's not a given that one will come through in the next three years. Anyone who has been following tennis knows that it's becoming increasingly difficult for juniors to make the transition to the men's game. There is a reason there is only one player under 20 in the top 100. It's perfectly reasonable to expect Rafa to continue winning at 29. The whole "his game is too physical" claptrap is being dis-proven all the time. He has lost a lot of weight to reduce the impact on his joints. He just needs to maintain that and not play too many hard court tournies.

Ferrer and Federer are still playing well at 31. There are way too many good players on the faster surfaces hence Federer's inability to win slams on those surfaces anymore. The same cannot be said for clay. Rafa's destroyed anyone's aspirations to do well on that surface. They know who they will have to beat to win RG. Look what he has done with all the Spanish players. They might have been the logical choice to give him trouble but they are lucky to get a sniff at winning a set. Rafa is unlike any other clay great on clay. He is a law unto himself. You saw it yesterday and still you refuse to believe your eyes.

Clay Death
06-12-2012, 09:51 PM
the sport has changed.

juniors are not physical enough and that is why they are largely irrelevant in their early years as pros.

it takes a long time to become a factor on the tour. and even then if you not are blessed from the gods with massive movement and extreme physicality, you have no chance of taking on the top guns.

fed, nadal, and nole are among the most gifted athletes of our times in all of sports and not just tennis.

they have compared nole and nadal`s speeds equal to or better than the fastest cornerbacks in the NFL.

both of them could easily have been elite tour de france type cylists or world class soccer players easily.

or they could have dominated triathlons. well you get the idea.

younger players coming up are not gifted like these 3. and on top of that, it takes years to develop today.

Ben.
06-12-2012, 11:25 PM
There is going to be a natural decline is his foot speed and endurance, making his game less effective. It will effect him far more than Federer as Fed has way more finishing power and the big serve. The problem is that he doesn't seem to be making adjustments/improvements for a time when he can't run around his backhand as much and he can't outlast the opponent.

incube
06-13-2012, 12:13 AM
Why not?
He is only 26, who can beat him in next years? Del Potro could be his best rival with Djokovic, but at this moment there is no great new players that in a few years can be real oponents to Nadal.
Raonic, Harrison, tomic...could be good but not in clay.

Topspindoctor
06-13-2012, 01:57 AM
Nadal in almost unbeatable on the surface with the most complete clay game in history, I don't see why 10 RG titles are out of his reach :shrug:

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 01:58 AM
9 is a lock.


10 may or may not happen.

fivebargate
06-13-2012, 02:09 AM
9 is a lock.

10 may or may not happen.

I wouldn't go placing your bets on no.9 just yet.....concentrate on 8. Father time has a way of working his magic....and, as good as he was this year, Nadal is likely at the precipice.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 03:12 AM
I wouldn't go placing your bets on no.9 just yet.....concentrate on 8. Father time has a way of working his magic....and, as good as he was this year, Nadal is likely at the precipice.

I have to agree with this. You have all made really good arguments about why it makes sense that Nadal could win 2 even 3 more. But this game if funny. A player wins and you expect that to continue. And sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. Michael Change won RG at age 17. And then never won another slam. He was undersized but still. That kind of thing isn't something you would have expected.

Rafa is a tremendously gifted athlrete. If he stays healthy, he will be a threat at RG into his late 20's. He's the favorite for next year obviously. But you need to consider other factors - injuries. Rafa has had several key injuries in his career that have compromised his ability to play at the level he is capable of. He is IMO even more injury prone than most players because he plays such a demanding and physical game. He is a warrior and his body has more mileage on it than many other players. In his early years, he was playing WAY too many tournaments. He's corrected that over the years, but it's like Kobe Bryant. Kobe is the oldest 32 year old in the league. His body has been through a lot and so has Rafa's.

Having said all that, I would say that number 8 is practically a lock. He has 3 good years of very competitive tennis left and I think it's unlikely he doesn't win at least one more in that time. 2 is possible. Beyond that, I think we are looking at unfavorable odds. I will say this though. Rafa has never failed to exceed my expectations. When he first started playing, I pegged him for a couple RG titles and that's it. Then he developed this grass game and I thought well maybe he could win one of those. Next thing I know, the guy has 11 slams including a career grand slam and an Olympic gold medal. So if he ends his career with 10 RG titles, frankly I won't be surprised because that's just what he does.

Houstonko
06-13-2012, 03:17 AM
I have feeling Djoker is fitter than Nadal when he start grinding at Nadal's serve. Nadal will tired first and get broken, it has been happening. Nadal's fitness is weaker than people think today, players should try harder by playing safer.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 03:21 AM
I have to agree with this. You have all made really good arguments about why it makes sense that Nadal could win 2 even 3 more. But this game if funny. A player wins and you expect that to continue. And sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. Michael Change won RG at age 17. And then never won another slam. He was undersized but still. That kind of thing isn't something you would have expected.

Rafa is a tremendously gifted athlrete. If he stays healthy, he will be a threat at RG into his late 20's. He's the favorite for next year obviously. But you need to consider other factors - injuries. Rafa has had several key injuries in his career that have compromised his ability to play at the level he is capable of. He is IMO even more injury prone than most players because he plays such a demanding and physical game. He is a warrior and his body has more mileage on it than many other players. In his early years, he was playing WAY too many tournaments. He's corrected that over the years, but it's like Kobe Bryant. Kobe is the oldest 32 year old in the league. His body has been through a lot and so has Rafa's.

Having said all that, I would say that number 8 is practically a lock. He has 3 good years of very competitive tennis left and I think it's unlikely he doesn't win at least one more in that time. 2 is possible. Beyond that, I think we are looking at unfavorable odds. I will say this though. Rafa has never failed to exceed my expectations. When he first started playing, I pegged him for a couple RG titles and that's it. Then he developed this grass game and I thought well maybe he could win one of those. Next thing I know, the guy has 11 slams including a career grand slam and an Olympic gold medal. So if he ends his career with 10 RG titles, frankly I won't be surprised because that's just what he does.


outstanding post.

never bet against the clay warrior. not at rg and not in a best of 5 sets foremat there. he just keeps making it happen there.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 03:32 AM
outstanding post.

never bet against the clay warrior. not at rg and not in a best of 5 sets foremat there. he just keeps making it happen there.

Clay Warrior truly has dominated that event like no one has ever dominated any event before (except maybe Sampras at Wimbeldon - he has 7 of those I think).

It's a remarkable feat - maybe one of the greatest in tennis. As you've pointed out on many occasions CD, clay is the most demanding surface to play on. You can't serve your way to victory. Points are long and gruelling. You have to grind it out and win through grit, perseverance, and relentlessness.

Many great players never won that event. And to have won 7 of them is ridiculous. It's a record that might never be broken.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 03:40 AM
affirmative.

it is even more remarkable that this 7th may give him the motivation to keep it going a little while longer.

i have studied sports ever since i was a kid. never have i seen such a domination.

nothing like this has ever happened in any sport.

this is just mind numbing shit. i keep shaking my head in disbelief for he is far from done.

its different from sampy`s 7 wimbledons.

nadal has 8 monte carlo titles. he has 7 barcelona titles and he has 6 rome masters.

this is madness. i dont think its a weak era. he is simply that much better than the rest on clay.

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 03:45 AM
Sky Sports UK commentator Mark Petchey believes Rafael Nadal will win at least 3 more Roland Garros titles and possibly equal Roger Federer's total of 16 grand slams!

He gives his full opinion of Roland Garros on 'Sky Sports News Radio's Tennis Weekly Podcast.'

You can listen here - http://www.skysports.com/radio/

or here - http://tennisweekly.jellycast.com/podcast/feed/2

or through iTunes here - http://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/sky-sports-news-radio-tennis/id532708891

lol. Yes. He barely won this one. Saved by rain

Topspindoctor
06-13-2012, 03:48 AM
lol. Yes. He barely won this one. Saved by rain

Stay mad, bitch.

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 03:50 AM
Why not?
He is only 26, who can beat him in next years? Del Potro could be his best rival with Djokovic, but at this moment there is no great new players that in a few years can be real oponents to Nadal.
Raonic, Harrison, tomic...could be good but not in clay.

Djokovic should have beaten this year. The gap between them is not huge like it was between Roger and Rafa. When Roger played Rafa, I never got the impression he could win. With Nole, you do. Keep in mind, if Nole wins 1 RG, let's say next year, Rafa needs to win one when he is 30 or more to reach 10. I think there is a good possibility Rafa wins 13 or 14 slams. Beyond that is luck really. Roger was quite lucky a few times too. Baghdatis, Gonzalez, ....

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 03:50 AM
Stay mad, bitch.

I see you are still stalking. lol. Whatever. Get a life. I care more about what I wipe my ass with than your opinion.

Topspindoctor
06-13-2012, 03:52 AM
I see you are still stalking. lol. Whatever. Get a life. I care more about what I wipe my ass with than your opinion.

:baby:

Keep on crying. I am loving bitter haters like you making excuses after Nadal wins another slam.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 03:54 AM
SheepleBuster go meet up with ejaculon. you can both keep each other company and knit sweaters together.


we will do your thinking for you here.

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 03:55 AM
:baby:

Keep on crying. I am loving bitter haters like you making excuses after Nadal wins another slam.

Typical bully, hater. Lol. You got to love the internet. It makes bullies out of cowards like you. haha. So you can't argue facts but you name call. Whatever child. Keep living Rafa's life for him. No matter how many slams he wins, you will still stay a miserable internet bully.

@ClayDeath. Lol. yes. You do the thinking in wherever they are holding you.

AntiTennis
06-13-2012, 03:59 AM
who cares about his opinion..:shrug:

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:00 AM
affirmative.

it is even more remarkable that this 7th may give him the motivation to keep it going a little while longer.

i have studied sports ever since i was a kid. never have i seen such a domination.

nothing like this has ever happened in any sport.

this is just mind numbing shit. i keep shaking my head in disbelief for he is far from done.

its different from sampy`s 7 wimbledons.

nadal has 8 monte carlo titles. he has 7 barcelona titles and he has 6 rome masters.

this is madness. i dont think its a weak era. he is simply that much better than the rest on clay.

I believe Nadal is the only player in history with 7 or more wins at 2 different masters series tournaments. Can anyone verify that?

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 04:01 AM
relax sheeplebuster. we are all out here just relaxing. no need to be so damned serious.

and if you think we are bullies here then you should see us in real life.

they are all scared 1/2 to death of people like us in real life too.

Topspindoctor
06-13-2012, 04:04 AM
Typical bully, hater. Lol. You got to love the internet. It makes bullies out of cowards like you. haha. So you can't argue facts but you name call. Whatever child. Keep living Rafa's life for him. No matter how many slams he wins, you will still stay a miserable internet bully.

@ClayDeath. Lol. yes. You do the thinking in wherever they are holding you.

Lol u mad, bro? Why don't you start making sense instead of posting nonsense?

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:06 AM
Typical bully, hater. Lol. You got to love the internet. It makes bullies out of cowards like you. haha. So you can't argue facts but you name call. Whatever child. Keep living Rafa's life for him. No matter how many slams he wins, you will still stay a miserable internet bully.

@ClayDeath. Lol. yes. You do the thinking in wherever they are holding you.

Your calling him a bully? That's the pot calling the kettle black. Are you being serious with this post? I haven't seen a rational argument from you yet. You're like a spoiled child who can't be reasoned with.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:08 AM
and if you think we are bullies here then you should see us in real life.

they are all scared 1/2 to death of people like us in real life too.

LOL. No one is scared of me in real life or on the internet. I'm a nerd.

Clay Death
06-13-2012, 04:11 AM
I believe Nadal is the only player in history with 7 or more wins at 2 different masters series tournaments. Can anyone verify that?


i think you are going to be right again general:

i think he is the only one with that distinction.

and now make that 3: monte carlo, barcelona, and now the big one at RG.

this is most likely going to get better next year. he is likely to do exactly the same thing next year and that is to take:

1. monte carlo
2. barcelona
3. rome
4. rg

**he was shaken and unsure this year. it all changes next year. he will play freely and he will play more relaxed. he is twice as dangerous when he is fearless.

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 04:12 AM
Your calling him a bully? That's the pot calling the kettle black. Are you being serious with this post? I haven't seen a rational argument from you yet. You're like a spoiled child who can't be reasoned with.

lol. And you call me the pot. Yes right. Oh tennis Geniuso. Everything is either Rafa is great or nonsense, right?

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 04:17 AM
lol. And you call me the pot. Yes right. Oh tennis Geniuso. Everything is either Rafa is great or nonsense, right?

Have you even been reading any of my posts??? I've heaped so much praise on Novak in the last 24 hours, I could fill an encycopedia. Rafa is great, but so is Novak. He's the only guy I fear on tour as a Rafa fan. He's that good.