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Battle for nr.1 heats up at Wimbledon

Lopez
06-12-2012, 03:07 PM
The world number one ranking is up for grabs for Federer and Nadal after Wimbledon and it's up to Djokovic to defend it. The current ATP rankings:

Djokovic 12 280
Nadal 10 060
Federer 9 310

Post Wimbledon rankings (not considering Halle):

Djokovic 10 280
Nadal 8 860
Federer 8 950

So we see that Djokovic still has a comfortable lead BUT both Federer and Nadal can gain the nr.1 ranking, if Djokovic fails to reach the semis and either one of the other two win the title. Another consideration: If Federer or Nadal win Halle, Djokovic will likely need to reach the final to secure his ranking.

If we consider the "battle" for the nr.2 ranking, Nadal needs to outperform Federer at Wimbledon to stay nr.2.

JurajCrane
06-12-2012, 03:12 PM
It will be a cracker fight between these three, because we have Wimbledon, Olympics, Toronto, Cincinnati and US Open ahead.
I think chances are the same for everybody, Djoko has to defend his 1600 points (Toronto+Cincy) plus Wimbledon and US Open. Roger and Rafa have got not much to defend on 2 Masters - plus there are Olympics on grass. Interesing, really.

ServeVolley
06-12-2012, 03:12 PM
Djokovic to lose in the quarters. Fed to avenge his 08 loss to Nadal in the final. :rocker2:

SheepleBuster
06-12-2012, 03:12 PM
Nadal is #2 or #1 in my opinion unless Roger wins Wimbledon. I can't put Roger any higher than #3 as long as he is getting his clock cleaned by Rafa or Nole in slams. And I am a big fan

Mercury
06-12-2012, 03:16 PM
Same here Sheeple. Can't see Fed taking anything from those 2 but I can definitely see Nadal snatching #1 back by the end of the Olympics.

BTW what happens next year? do the Olympics points simply get deducted?

70-68
06-12-2012, 03:23 PM
So basically, if Djokovic does not defend Wimbledon, his No.1 ranking will be in huge danger.

Lopez
06-12-2012, 03:24 PM
Same here Sheeple. Can't see Fed taking anything from those 2 but I can definitely see Nadal snatching #1 back by the end of the Olympics.

BTW what happens next year? do the Olympics points simply get deducted?

From what I understand, yes. Or rather, replaced by some other result.

Mark Lenders
06-12-2012, 03:25 PM
If Nadal wins Wimbledon, Djokovic's ranking will be in danger.

Don't think that will be the case if someone else does; if he holds 2 Slams, and two different players hold 1 his #1 will be safe in theory.

Commander Data
06-12-2012, 03:26 PM
interesting.

Lopez
06-12-2012, 03:26 PM
So basically, if Djokovic does not defend Wimbledon, his No.1 ranking will be in huge danger.

If he doesn't reach the final, rather

duong
06-12-2012, 03:32 PM
An additive : if Djokovic loses in Wimbledon semifinal, a win in Wimbledon would be enough :

- for Nadal if he also wins Halle

- for Federer if he raches the semifinal in Halle (that is beats Raonic and Mayer)

If Nadal wins Wimbledon, Djokovic's ranking will be in danger.

Don't think that will be the case if someone else does; if he holds 2 Slams, and two different players hold 1 his #1 will be safe in theory.

Nadal is #2 or #1 in my opinion unless Roger wins Wimbledon. I can't put Roger any higher than #3 as long as he is getting his clock cleaned by Rafa or Nole in slams. And I am a big fan

the topic is about the ATP ranking, not about your ranking or about the MTF ranking.

Whatever people think about that, that's the situation in the ATP rankings in case Nadal or Fed wins Wimbledon.

PS : I'm not confident at all about Fed on grass, as he's looked bad since he came back for Madrid. He needs a great physical condition to be good on grass and this year again it seems that will not be the case. But Nadal winning Wimbledon and Halle and Djokovic not reaching final or even semifinal of Wimbledon is very possible.

70-68
06-12-2012, 03:33 PM
If he doesn't reach the final, rather

If he loses the final vs. Federer or Nadal, the difference will be only a few hundred points, and Djokovic is still defending almost everything until USO. If he doesn't win Wimbledon, I expect him to lose the No.1 at some point in the summer. He can still finish the year as No.1 tho.

william_renshaw
06-12-2012, 03:46 PM
even on grass djoko is favorite against Nadal, Fed and Murray.

TigerTim
06-12-2012, 03:47 PM
even on grass djoko is favorite against Nadal, Fed and Murray.

no.

7/4 Nadal to be YE No.1. Too easy this betting game :)

70-68
06-12-2012, 03:50 PM
even on grass djoko is favorite against Nadal, Fed and Murray.

He was extremly close to losing at the last 3 slams in several matches, I can see someone beating him if he doesn't play his very best :shrug:

Clay Death
06-12-2012, 03:55 PM
pressure on nole may have just skyrocketed.

a loss at wimbledon could lead to a loss of some critical confidence going into the u.s. open.


rg campaign was long and grueling. we dont know how he is going to be affected by that at wimbledon.

considerable mental and physical capital was spent at rg.

rafa_maniac
06-12-2012, 04:06 PM
Always seems like Wimbledon is the critical juncture of the year for the race to #1. In fact 2003 was the last year the Wimbledon champ was NOT the YE#1, and even then it was extremely close :eek: Roll on #3 Rafa :rocker2:

manadrainer
06-12-2012, 04:09 PM
I'd like a nice quarter for Fed... no Raonic, no Berdych, no Tsonga, no Isner.

Probably too much too ask. :)

Thunderfish8
06-12-2012, 04:22 PM
I'd like a nice quarter for Fed... no Raonic, no Berdych, no Tsonga, no Isner.

Probably too much too ask. :)

Well luckily, he can't get both Tsonga AND Berdych. And Isner has been playin like shit lately losing to Mayer, Cilic, and Mathieu in his last three tournaments. He really hasn't shined since Davis Cup. Even his final in Houston was rather dull since he was playing like crap all week.

Hopefully we will get to see a Raonic/Federer quarterfinal this week because if Federer wins, he will have confidence and will most likely not lose to Raonic in BO5 sets. If Raonic wins, then at least we know to hope for the best.

What would be nice (since at least one of them will most likely end up in his quarter) is if Isner and Raonic were two of the lower seeds in Tsonga/Berdych's section within Federer's quarter. That way he can be sure that he only faces one of them.

I also don't think Tsonga is terribly dangerous because I think he will crack under the pressure of defending semifinal points (and most likely the #5 ranking spot).

A_Skywalker
06-12-2012, 04:36 PM
Federer doesnt deserve to be N1, I doubt he will win Wimbledon, its between Djokovic and Nadal.

70-68
06-12-2012, 05:05 PM
Federer doesnt deserve to be N1, I doubt he will win Wimbledon, its between Djokovic and Nadal.

If Federer wins Wimbledon beating Djokovic and Nadal, then he deserves to be No.1 at least for a few weeks.

masterclass
06-12-2012, 05:10 PM
ATP Rankings after Roland Garros
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 12,280
2 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 10,060
3 Federer, Roger (SUI) 9,310

With 2011 Wimbledon points dropped
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 10,280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI) 8,950
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 8,860

With 2011 Wimbledon points dropped + Halle win for Federer (+250) and SF (+90) for Nadal
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 10,280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI) 9,200
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 8,950

Points for Wimbledon with Halle projection above
.....................................R128(10)....R 64(45).....R32(90)....R16(180)....QF(360)...SF(720 )...Final(1200).....Win(2000)
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB)...10,290.....10,335.......10,370......10,460 ......10,640.....11,000.........11,480.........12, 280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI).......9,210.......9,245.........9,290....... 9,380.........9,560.......9,920.........10,400.... .....11,200
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP).........8,960.......8,995.........9,040..... ..9,130.........9,310.......9,670.........10,150.. .......10,950

Points for Wimbledon without Halle projection
.....................................R128(10)....R 64(45).....R32(90)....R16(180)....QF(360)...SF(720 )...Final(1200).....Win(2000)
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB)...10,290.....10,335.......10,370......10,460 ......10,640.....11,000.........11,480.........12, 280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI).......8,960.......8,995.........9,040....... 9,130.........9,310.......9,670.........10,150.... .....10,950
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP).........8,870.......8,905.........8,950..... ..9,040.........9,220.......9,580.........10,060.. .......10,860

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P.S. Please correct if I made a miscalculation. Thx.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Lopez
06-12-2012, 05:15 PM
The potential Raonic-Federer match in Halle might prove to be very important... Kinda like Federer's stupid loss to Roddick in Miami :facepalm:

GOAT = Fed
06-12-2012, 05:48 PM
One thing is for sure:

Gonna be a cracking summer of tennis.

hipolymer
06-12-2012, 05:52 PM
federer will not be winning Wimbledon. He couldn't even reach the semis the past two years. Courts at week 2 are too slow for him.

Mark Lenders
06-12-2012, 06:05 PM
federer will not be winning Wimbledon. He couldn't even reach the semis the past two years. Courts at week 2 are too slow for him.

I'm sure the slowness of the courts was not the reason why Berdych and Tsonga hit through him (and served him off the court in Jo's case). It's the opposite actually; the fast(er), low bouncing surface makes Federer more susceptible to getting hit through, hence why he lost at QF stage two years in a row.

bry17may
06-12-2012, 06:26 PM
ATP Rankings after Roland Garros
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 12,280
2 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 10,060
3 Federer, Roger (SUI) 9,310

With 2011 Wimbledon points dropped
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 10,280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI) 8,950
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 8,860

With 2011 Wimbledon points dropped + Halle win for Federer (+250) and SF (+90) for Nadal
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 10,280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI) 9,200
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 8,950

Points for Wimbledon with Halle projection above
.....................................R128(10)....R 64(45).....R32(90)....R16(180)....QF(360)...SF(720 )...Final(1200).....Win(2000)
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB)...10,290.....10,335.......10,370......10,460 ......10,640.....11,000.........11,480.........12, 280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI).......9,210.......9,245.........9,290....... 9,380.........9,560.......9,920.........10,400.... .....11,200
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP).........8,960.......8,995.........9,040..... ..9,130.........9,310.......9,670.........10,150.. .......10,950

Points for Wimbledon without Halle projection
.....................................R128(10)....R 64(45).....R32(90)....R16(180)....QF(360)...SF(720 )...Final(1200).....Win(2000)
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB)...10,290.....10,335.......10,370......10,460 ......10,640.....11,000.........11,480.........12, 280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI).......8,960.......8,995.........9,040....... 9,130.........9,310.......9,670.........10,150.... .....10,950
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP).........8,870.......8,905.........8,950..... ..9,040.........9,220.......9,580.........10,060.. .......10,860

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P.S. Please correct if I made a miscalculation. Thx.

Respectfully,
masterclass

In your projection of the points with Halle you have to quit 25 points to Roger Federer of the Davis Cup if I'm not wrong he have 6 tournaments(Tokyo[0], Basel[500], Doha [90], Dubai [500], Rotterdam [500], Halle[?])

romismak
06-12-2012, 06:28 PM
federer will not be winning Wimbledon. He couldn't even reach the semis the past two years. Courts at week 2 are too slow for him.

It has nothing to do with courst, during QF match, courts are still quicker than most HC events at least... also TSonga just was IN ZONE - big serve, big bombs and Tsonga is actually one of those few guys who can volley and has good netgame...

In Berdychīs match, Tomas was in great form in 2010 Wimbledon, but clearly Rogerīs 2010 Wimby performance was worst in last seasons, in R1 when grass is quickest he was pushed to 5th sets by clay-courter.... lost Halle F to Hewitt few days before Wimby.. so with those Tsonga-Berdych matches it isnīt safe bet Roger wonīt make SF and that courts slowness is the issue here...

rafa_maniac
06-12-2012, 06:29 PM
Federer's slightly slower reaction time these days is exposed more on grass than other surfaces, that's his problem. Still, with his all court game and a good serving day he can still beat anybody at Wimbledon.

Looner
06-12-2012, 06:29 PM
It's not really a battle when RN is steamrolling everyone to claim another unfortunate trophy. ND will probably be roasted in the final whilst Federer will lose to Raonic in R3 who will conveniently be placed in his draw.

romismak
06-12-2012, 06:31 PM
Well luckily, he can't get both Tsonga AND Berdych. And Isner has been playin like shit lately losing to Mayer, Cilic, and Mathieu in his last three tournaments. He really hasn't shined since Davis Cup. Even his final in Houston was rather dull since he was playing like crap all week.

Hopefully we will get to see a Raonic/Federer quarterfinal this week because if Federer wins, he will have confidence and will most likely not lose to Raonic in BO5 sets. If Raonic wins, then at least we know to hope for the best.

What would be nice (since at least one of them will most likely end up in his quarter) is if Isner and Raonic were two of the lower seeds in Tsonga/Berdych's section within Federer's quarter. That way he can be sure that he only faces one of them.

I also don't think Tsonga is terribly dangerous because I think he will crack under the pressure of defending semifinal points (and most likely the #5 ranking spot).

I think you didnīt watched RG and last year Tsonga on grass - he is very dangerous and nobody from top 4 wants him in QF, he is probably even bigger threat than Berdych as QF opponent

He had his best RG right now, he said after Noleīs match that good to see he can push top guys on clay, he can do even worse to them on grass and he is hell right here.

No pressure of SF points, i think TSonga will make QF easily canīt see anyone beating him unless Ivo or Milos will have great service day and serve him off the court.

In QF Tsonga can beat Federer, can for sure beat this Nole 1.5, Murray is tough match-up for him, but still can do it and i would love to see him vs Rafa - he can beat any of those guys.

TigerTim
06-12-2012, 06:31 PM
It's not really a battle when RN is steamrolling everyone to claim another unfortunate trophy. ND will probably be roasted in the final whilst Federer will lose to Raonic in R3 who will conveniently be placed in his draw.

If Fed or Any of the top players lose 1st week its their fault, not the draw's :shrug:

If Fed can't beat Raonic than he might as well give up winning wimby ever again

danieln1
06-12-2012, 08:06 PM
Itīs a shame Federer is number 3, he should be number 1, clearly the more talented of the three :shrug:

Mark Lenders
06-12-2012, 08:13 PM
Itīs a shame Federer is number 3, he should be number 1, clearly the more talented of the three :shrug:

I know; it's a shame tennis rankings take into account actual results over 12 months and not subjective talent evaluations made by fans of Roger Federer.

Mug ranking system if I ever saw one.

Avi14
06-12-2012, 08:22 PM
Itīs a shame Federer is number 3, he should be number 1, clearly the more talented of the three :shrug:
Fed hasn't won a slam for more than 2 years now and you still want him to be placed at the top just by considering his talent?

This is just Fedtardism at it's highest level :o :o

Allez
06-12-2012, 08:45 PM
No one should be ranked number one without winning a slam in a given season. That should be an additional requirement in addition to the accumulated number of points. We don't need another Safina/Wozniacki debacle.

finishingmove
06-12-2012, 08:46 PM
Djokovic will most likely end the year as #1.

Nadal has a chance to temporarily overtake him this summer.

Federer getting to #1 again is still a long shot.

Nole fan
06-12-2012, 09:04 PM
When do the draws for Wimbledon come out?

Allez
06-12-2012, 09:07 PM
When do the draws for Wimbledon come out?

A week on Friday. I think the top 4 seeds are pretty much settled.

Corey Feldman
06-12-2012, 09:11 PM
said it before, grass is not as good for Fed anymore as ppl think, its a surface that shows weaknesses in movement and return of serve - two areas Fed has went downhill in

two crap Wimbledons in a row for Fed these last 2 years, is no coincidence

Looner
06-12-2012, 09:13 PM
If Fed or Any of the top players lose 1st week its their fault, not the draw's :shrug:

If Fed can't beat Raonic than he might as well give up winning wimby ever again

Obviously the same is not true for RN as he never has to face someone who actually has the game to trouble him. At least that was the point but it flew by someone.


Itīs a shame Federer is number 3, he should be number 1, clearly the more talented of the three :shrug:
Excellent post but the surfaces all play like clay so Fed's talent is killed by pushing. Nothing new.

Lopez
06-12-2012, 09:25 PM
No one should be ranked number one without winning a slam in a given season. That should be an additional requirement in addition to the accumulated number of points. We don't need another Safina/Wozniacki debacle.

Tennis isn't all about the slams. In any case, it would be quite tough for Federer to gain nr.1 without winning a slam.

Allez
06-12-2012, 09:40 PM
Tennis isn't all about the slams. In any case, it would be quite tough for Federer to gain nr.1 without winning a slam.

I know, that is why I said this criterion should NOT replace the ranking points system but augment it. This is not a dig at Fed. Murray reaching the number 1 spot with no slam would equally be as bad (no that it is likely to happen in either case as you point out). All they need to say is that if you have the most points AND in the last 12 months you have won a slam then you're deserve the ranking. So a slight correction to my earlier post. The slam needn't be in the current calendar season...just the last 12 months.

Clay Death
06-12-2012, 09:44 PM
#1 rank does not and should not matter to fed and nadal right now.

they just need to worry about pocketing slams.

time is running out. its time to peak for the slams and see which way the ball is going to bounce.

Lopez
06-12-2012, 09:45 PM
I know, that is why I said this criterion should NOT replace the ranking points system but augment it. This is not a dig at Fed. Murray reaching the number 1 spot with no slam would equally be as bad (no that it is likely to happen in either case as you point out). All they need to say is that if you have the most points AND in the last 12 months you have won a slam then you're deserve the ranking. So a slight correction to my earlier post. The slam needn't be in the current calendar season...just the last 12 months.

But still... There's the theoretical situation of a player winning all masters and WTF etc. and reaching all slam finals but getting beat by hot players there who do fuck all the rest of the season :shrug:. That's very theoretical, I know :p.

The slams give a lot of points compared to other events anyway, so naturally situations where the nr.1 does not hold any slams is rare.

duong
06-12-2012, 09:47 PM
said it before, grass is not as good for Fed anymore as ppl think, its a surface that shows weaknesses in movement and return of serve - two areas Fed has went downhill in

two crap Wimbledons in a row for Fed these last 2 years, is no coincidence

I'm afraid you might be right, but I think it mostly depends on his physical condition, which needs to be very good on grass and wasn't last two years (in 2010 he had physical issues and in 2011 he looked tired after his great Roland-Garros ; even 3 years ago he played a great tournament but looked exhausted in the final)

Unfortunately he hasn't looked good physically since his return in Madrid.

Also these weaknesses you speak about have made Fed painful to watch on grass last two years whereas he looked so great on this surface in the past :sad:

As a Fedfan it has been the most painful period for me last two years (and not at all when he lost to Nadal in 2008, which was much less painful for me than the defeat in Aus Open 2009 final or even US Open 2009 final) and I'm very much scared about it this year again. I'm looking forward to the US Open series :lol:

Surely the chance of Nadal winning Wimbledon and reaching number 1 is much higher.

Mountaindewslave
06-12-2012, 09:49 PM
Nadal going to win WImbledon DEFINALATOMUNDO

Time Violation
06-12-2012, 09:50 PM
Djokovic will most likely end the year as #1.

Nadal has a chance to temporarily overtake him this summer.

Federer getting to #1 again is still a long shot.

Agree on all

Nole fan
06-12-2012, 09:51 PM
A week on Friday. I think the top 4 seeds are pretty much settled.

Yes, i think we do. Nole-Fed, Rafa-Muzza. :rolleyes:

GSMnadal
06-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Yes, i think we do. Nole-Fed, Rafa-Muzza. :rolleyes:

We all know Quarterer won't make it :rolleyes:

Corey Feldman
06-12-2012, 11:06 PM
I'm afraid you might be right, but I think it mostly depends on his physical condition, which needs to be very good on grass and wasn't last two years (in 2010 he had physical issues and in 2011 he looked tired after his great Roland-Garros ; even 3 years ago he played a great tournament but looked exhausted in the final)

Unfortunately he hasn't looked good physically since his return in Madrid.

Also these weaknesses you speak about have made Fed painful to watch on grass last two years whereas he looked so great on this surface in the past :sad:

As a Fedfan it has been the most painful period for me last two years (and not at all when he lost to Nadal in 2008, which was much less painful for me than the defeat in Aus Open 2009 final or even US Open 2009 final) and I'm very much scared about it this year again. I'm looking forward to the US Open series :lol:
.Fed's dowfall on grass happened during his greatest moment - 2009 Wim Final

won the match but his movement and ros v Roddick that day were beyond a joke, only Roddick choking stopped him losing that final in 3-0 sets
and the 50 aces helped

if he still has that serve, maybe a SF this year at best.

Nole fan
06-12-2012, 11:56 PM
We all know Quarterer won't make it :rolleyes:

I'm not talking about making semis, but who's gonna be on each side of the draw. :p

stewietennis
06-13-2012, 02:38 AM
If Federer wants to make a push for No 1, this is the time to do it. He has a whole lot of points to defend after the US Open.

Topspindoctor
06-13-2012, 02:49 AM
Nadal will become #1 after Wimbledon.

AntiTennis
06-13-2012, 03:08 AM
Roger needs at least SF in Halle(25 DC points will become uncountable), then win Wimbledon and Djoker to don't reach the final..is not easy, but is not impossible

hipolymer
06-13-2012, 03:35 AM
If Federer wants to make a push for No 1, this is the time to do it. He has a whole lot of points to defend after the US Open.

Agreed. These next few months might be his last chance.

stewietennis
06-13-2012, 04:15 AM
Roger needs at least SF in Halle(25 DC points will become uncountable), then win Wimbledon and Djoker to don't reach the final..is not easy, but is not impossible

If the draws play out the way we think they're going to play out, this will all be on Federer's racket whether he regains the #1 ranking.

He'll likely be in Novak's half so it's up to him to prevent Novak from reaching the finals. He'll probably end up playing Rafa in the final which would be another record breaking tournament: Federer might reclaim the #1 spot and break the "Weeks at #1" record and he'll also win his 7th Wimbledon title – matching Sampras and matching Rafa by also getting his 7th at the same major. Or Rafa could win and break his slam tie with Borg. Or Novak could win and tie the slam count with Becker/Edberg.

It'll be a colossal feat for Federer to beat Novak then Rafa but if he really wants that record, he's gotta rewind the clock. He could be due a dream run ala Pete Sampras 2002, so you never know.

heya
06-13-2012, 06:51 AM
injured novak will gift fed his number 1 trophy, it's 2009.

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 07:53 AM
injured novak will gift fed his number 1 trophy, it's 2009.

was Duck injured :confused:

broken head?

heya
06-13-2012, 08:39 AM
Resurgent Roddick not buying Djokovic's sob story (http://adf.ly/4612/banner/sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen08/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3567621)

gorgo1986
06-13-2012, 08:55 AM
Resurgent Roddick not buying Djokovic's sob story (http://adf.ly/4612/banner/sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen08/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3567621)

Yeah their is also the Monfils accident, Monfils and Djokovic were friends since childhood but after that US open match:o not so much.:p

NadalSharapova
06-13-2012, 10:01 AM
please no slamless number 1. keep olderer away from the top spot, he belongs at number 3 and is no longer a slam contender.

ServeVolley
06-13-2012, 10:20 AM
please no slamless number 1. keep olderer away from the top spot, he belongs at number 3 and is no longer a slam contender.

We're talking about Federer getting to #1 if he wins Wimbledon, so clearly he wouldn't be "slamless" in that case. :rolleyes:

Sophocles
06-13-2012, 10:25 AM
I don't know why so many people are assuming Djoker will lose early at Wimbledon. He's not exactly made a habit of losing early at slams has he? He had some sticky moments at R.G. under pressure of The Slam, but I think some people may be in for a nasty surprise at Wimbledon.

NadalSharapova
06-13-2012, 10:29 AM
We're talking about Federer getting to #1 if he wins Wimbledon, so clearly he wouldn't be "slamless" in that case. :rolleyes:

lets say federer loses in the semi's of wimbledon and olympics and wins all the mickey mouse tournaments, and he scrapes it to number 1 that would be bad.

ServeVolley
06-13-2012, 10:41 AM
lets say federer loses in the semi's of wimbledon and olympics and wins all the mickey mouse tournaments, and he scrapes it to number 1 that would be bad.

I don't want it to happen like that either, but the ranking system is objective. If he gets to #1 -- by whatever means -- he will, technically, have deserved it. :shrug:

Sophocles
06-13-2012, 10:45 AM
I don't want it to happen like that either, but the ranking system is objective. If he gets to #1 -- by whatever means -- he will, technically, have deserved it. :shrug:

And it's not as though the other 285 weeks he spent at No. 1 were slamless.

Nole fan
06-13-2012, 10:55 AM
I don't know why so many people are assuming Djoker will lose early at Wimbledon. He's not exactly made a habit of losing early at slams has he? He had some sticky moments at R.G. under pressure of The Slam, but I think some people may be in for a nasty surprise at Wimbledon.

Exactly, but people are dumb. Novak has actually reached the last 4 slams finals and won 3 of them!! And what's more, he hasn't lost before semifinals in any tournament yet! I think it's more wishful thinking from nadal and fed fans...

Chirag
06-13-2012, 11:00 AM
Exactly, but people are dumb. Novak has actually reached the last 4 slams finals and won 3 of them!! And what's more, he hasn't lost before semifinals in any tournament yet! I think it's more wishful thinking from nadal and fed fans...

you mean atp tour as well I think .In Madrid he lost before the semis ;)

Nole fan
06-13-2012, 11:07 AM
you mean atp tour as well I think .In Madrid he lost before the semis ;)

Blue clay doesn't count. ;)

70-68
06-13-2012, 11:47 AM
I assume Paris Masters and the World Tour Finals does not count as well.

70-68
06-13-2012, 11:52 AM
I don't know why so many people are assuming Djoker will lose early at Wimbledon. He's not exactly made a habit of losing early at slams has he? He had some sticky moments at R.G. under pressure of The Slam, but I think some people may be in for a nasty surprise at Wimbledon.

I don't think anyone really expects him to lose early in Wimbledon, but he looked beatable in the later rounds at the last 3 slams, not only at RG :shrug:

Looner
06-13-2012, 12:09 PM
Djoker will have pressure at Wimbledon. He'll be defending his crown and the same is true for the USO. I don't see how this doesn't constitute pressure on what is arguably his worst surface, especially if he does not find that first serve consistently.

Nole fan
06-13-2012, 12:13 PM
I assume Paris Masters and the World Tour Finals does not count as well.

Well we are in 2012 not 2011. :wavey:

70-68
06-13-2012, 12:33 PM
Well we are in 2012 not 2011. :wavey:

you didn't mention in your previous post what year or period you were talking about....

Fireballer
06-13-2012, 12:50 PM
All I hear grass is his worst surface...no it was his worst surface.He moves on it now like it's hardcourt.

GOAT = Fed
06-13-2012, 12:58 PM
All I hear grass is his worst surface...no it was his worst surface.He moves on it now like it's hardcourt.

Not really, look at him last year, clear difference in his movement between grass and hardcourt, although his movement did get better as the tournament progressed.

70-68
06-13-2012, 01:09 PM
I wonder what's his worst surface now if it's not grass anymore.

Fireballer
06-13-2012, 01:14 PM
I wonder what's his worst surface now if it's not grass anymore.

grass is his worst but that doesnt mean he is bad.He is great on grass now.Being more natural on grass doesnt make you better on grass than someone who needs to learn how to play on it.Tsonga and Murray are more natural on grass than Djokovic but they are worse grasscourt players than him.Federer is more natural on grass than Nadal but Nadal is NOW better on grass than Roger

Ben.
06-13-2012, 01:38 PM
It would be good to see the #1 ranking at stake at a multiple tournaments over the next few months. Having only been following tennis for 8/9 years, I haven't experienced it before. Each match the top guys play would become more interesting as a result. They could be going into Cinci without knowing how the top three seeds will be ordered for New York, for example.

Apophis
06-13-2012, 01:43 PM
It would be good to see the #1 ranking at stake at a multiple tournaments over the next few months. Having only been following tennis for 8/9 years, I haven't experienced it before. Each match the top guys play would become more interesting as a result. They could be going into Cinci without knowing how the top three seeds will be ordered for New York, for example.

Yes, we have been getting used to the same player holding #1 for at least a year, then another etc. Most of the time since 2004, the #1 has been way ahead of #2. It's great if the #1 ranking changes hands almost every tournament for a while between 3 players.

Nole fan
06-13-2012, 03:59 PM
grass is his worst but that doesnt mean he is bad.He is great on grass now.Being more natural on grass doesnt make you better on grass than someone who needs to learn how to play on it.Tsonga and Murray are more natural on grass than Djokovic but they are worse grasscourt players than him.Federer is more natural on grass than Nadal but Nadal is NOW better on grass than Roger

Spot on. :yeah:
It might be his worst surface but Nole masters all surfaces so that doesn't mean he cannot win there. Wait, he already did. :lol:

bounccer
06-13-2012, 04:04 PM
I don't know, i think it would be very very tough for Nole against Roger. As much as i like Fed, i don't want to see him give this fucking trophy to Nadal on a plate by beating Djokovic in semi and shit himself in the final.
Hoping for a Fedal semi, i think Federer would have a better shot here, like, mmm, 20%.

TheShowMustGoOn
06-13-2012, 05:14 PM
Djokovic will win Wimbledon.

Rafa is the GOAT
06-13-2012, 06:48 PM
Possibility
Rafa wins Halle, possible, only 4 matches to win, not easy against Berd and Fed though since he just comes from a big victory on Clay.
He wins Wim by beating Nole in the final
Rafa: 11065 if he wins Halle, 10895 if he reaches SF
Nole: 11480
Rafa wins Wim and Nole loses SF
Rafa: 11065, 10895
Nole: 10940
Fed: If he just defends his points in Halle and loses F to Rafa, 10150

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 06:58 PM
Exactly, but people are dumb. Novak has actually reached the last 4 slams finals and won 3 of them!! And what's more, he hasn't lost before semifinals in any tournament yet! I think it's more wishful thinking from nadal and fed fans...

As a Rafa fan, I actual want to see them both in the final again. I think it will be a much tigher contest than last year. Rafa is playing much better and won't concede the trophy this time.

And we have a roof thank God, so none of this shit conditions, multiple rain delay bullshit. Both guys can play their best.

Filo V.
06-13-2012, 07:05 PM
If Roger had beaten Roddick in Miami, he almost definitely would have made the semis, and then this discussion wouldn't be happening because the #1 spot would be almost in his hands given it's literally a few hundred points that will likely end up separating these guys.

Filo V.
06-13-2012, 07:07 PM
Also, although a lot of Nole fans on this forum are fucking extreme and borderline psychotic, the truth is that Djokovic knows all of this. He knows his ranking is on the line. Expect him to be ready to defend it at all costs.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 07:11 PM
Also, although a lot of Nole fans on this forum are fucking extreme and borderline psychotic, the truth is that Djokovic knows all of this. He knows his ranking is on the line. Expect him to be ready to defend it at all costs.

It's what makes this Wimbledon so interesting. I think it's Federer's best chance to win another slam. Nadal has confidence and something to prove. And Novak does as well, plus he has his number one ranking hanging in the balance.

It's great drama. This is probably the most exciting Wimbledon in years.

sicko
06-13-2012, 07:20 PM
If Rafole win the remaining two slams of the year, they will tie the fedal 11 straight slam streak.:eek:

who would have thought that...

Jamoz
06-13-2012, 07:22 PM
If Rafole win the remaining two slams of the year, they will tie the fedal 11 straight slam streak.:eek:

who would have thought that...

I pray that we are saved from this, just too boring and predictable.

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 07:26 PM
If Rafole win the remaining two slams of the year, they will tie the fedal 11 straight slam streak.:eek:

who would have thought that...

Not going to happen I'm afraid. And this coming from a Nadal fan. I think he has a very good shot at Wimbledon. But US Open is going to require a miracle I think.

Fireballer
06-13-2012, 08:10 PM
Not going to happen I'm afraid. And this coming from a Nadal fan. I think he has a very good shot at Wimbledon. But US Open is going to require a miracle I think.

dont worry about it Djoker is gonna win US Open.He is a lock almost

ahadabans
06-13-2012, 08:14 PM
dont worry about it Djoker is gonna win US Open.He is a lock almost

He's the favorite there, no doubt.

Quadruple Tree
06-13-2012, 08:17 PM
dont worry about it Djoker is gonna win US Open.He is a lock almost

Didn't Federer have match point against Djokovic the last two times they played at the USO? Obviously, he didn't convert them, but he was pretty damn close to knocking him off. I wouldn't say Djokovic is a lock by any means. If one of the big hitters like Berdych, Tsonga, or Del Potro play at their best, they can beat him, too. The USO is the best chance for an upset since it's now the fastest of the Slams.

duong
06-13-2012, 10:28 PM
Exactly, but people are dumb. Novak has actually reached the last 4 slams finals and won 3 of them!! And what's more, he hasn't lost before semifinals in any tournament yet! I think it's more wishful thinking from nadal and fed fans...

I don't wish that as I want Djokovic to beat Nadal in Wimbledon :shrug:

but in my opinion, Djokovic is clearly fragile this year, being so near no losing to Seppi on clay, being 4 match points down against Tsonga on clay, I would be not surprised at all if he had big problems in early rounds of Wimbledon, which is a much trickier tournament for top-seeds, and is also Djokovic's worst surface.

Last year, when Djokovic was better, Baghdatis gave him problems while being far from his best himself.

A first week in Wimbledon is much trickier than a first week in any other slam, whereas it's the opposite for Roland-Garros : there are usually few surprises for top-players on clay, considering nowadays' top players who dominate by their physical condition and their way to keep the ball in the court.

And this year Djokovic looks much more fragile than last year :shrug:

Djokovic against Raonic in R16 of Wimbledon believe me Djokovic would be afraid ;)

duong
06-13-2012, 10:31 PM
grass is his worst but that doesnt mean he is bad.He is great on grass now.Being more natural on grass doesnt make you better on grass than someone who needs to learn how to play on it.Tsonga and Murray are more natural on grass than Djokovic but they are worse grasscourt players than him.Federer is more natural on grass than Nadal but Nadal is NOW better on grass than Roger

Nadal has always moved great on grass, even though people kept on not seeing it.

It's not Djokovic's case at all.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 12:39 AM
Nadal has always moved great on grass, even though people kept on not seeing it.

It's not Djokovic's case at all.

This. Djokovic is a hard court player who happens to have a very complete game. That's why he has had success on clay and grass.

Nadal is very comfortable on natural surfaces. He happens to have success on hard courts because he is so good. But that is not a surface he is most comfortable on.

This is why I think Nadal can beat Novak at Wimbledon. But it's too early to talk about that since both guys must make the finals. As a previous poster mentioned, the first week of Wimbledon is often precarious for the top seeds.

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 01:19 AM
Didn't Federer have match point against Djokovic the last two times they played at the USO? Obviously, he didn't convert them, but he was pretty damn close to knocking him off. I wouldn't say Djokovic is a lock by any means. If one of the big hitters like Berdych, Tsonga, or Del Potro play at their best, they can beat him, too. The USO is the best chance for an upset since it's now the fastest of the Slams.

it's his best Slam and Djoker is a great player on a fast surface ..............jesus

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 01:20 AM
This. Djokovic is a hard court player who happens to have a very complete game. That's why he has had success on clay and grass.

Nadal is very comfortable on natural surfaces. He happens to have success on hard courts because he is so good. But that is not a surface he is most comfortable on.

This is why I think Nadal can beat Novak at Wimbledon. But it's too early to talk about that since both guys must make the finals. As a previous poster mentioned, the first week of Wimbledon is often precarious for the top seeds.

LOL of course he can but it's 50-50

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 01:23 AM
LOL of course he can but it's 50-50

It's not 50-50, wake up.

Nadal pushed Novak to 6 hour match on his best surface (AO).

He won comfortably all clay tournaments against him dropping only 1 set.

Nadal will not be gifting anymore free slams to Novak like he did at 2011 Wimby, even on HC it's 50-50. On clay/grass Nadal is expected to win 9/10.

Smoke944
06-14-2012, 01:24 AM
It's not 50-50, wake up.

Nadal pushed Novak to 6 hour match on his best surface (AO).

He won comfortably all clay tournaments against him dropping only 1 set.

Nadal will not be gifting anymore free slams to Novak like he did at 2011 Wimby, even on HC it's 50-50. On clay/grass Nadal is expected to win 9/10.

lol

Quadruple Tree
06-14-2012, 01:37 AM
it's his best Slam and Djoker is a great player on a fast surface ..............jesus

AO is his best Slam, and he's better on slow hard courts...jesus.

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 01:42 AM
It's not 50-50, wake up.

Nadal pushed Novak to 6 hour match on his best surface (AO).

He won comfortably all clay tournaments against him dropping only 1 set.

Nadal will not be gifting anymore free slams to Novak like he did at 2011 Wimby, even on HC it's 50-50. On clay/grass Nadal is expected to win 9/10.

Djoker pushed Nadal on clay so it must mean Djokovic will triple bagel Nadal on hard.......you are such a mug.ON grass at best it's 60-40 Nadal and on Hard it's 60-40 Djokovic.Djoker is miles ahead of Nadal on fast hardcourt like US Open

MIMIC
06-14-2012, 01:43 AM
It's not 50-50, wake up.

Nadal pushed Novak to 6 hour match on his best surface (AO).

He won comfortably all clay tournaments against him dropping only 1 set.

Nadal will not be gifting anymore free slams to Novak like he did at 2011 Wimby, even on HC it's 50-50. On clay/grass Nadal is expected to win 9/10.

Clay season is over. Store the delusions and save them for next year.

Topspindoctor
06-14-2012, 01:43 AM
Djoker pushed Nadal on clay so it must mean Djokovic will triple bagel Nadal on hard.......you are such a mug.ON grass at best it's 60-40 Nadal and on Hard it's 60-40 Djokovic.Djoker is miles ahead of Nadal on fast hardcourt like US Open

H2H in USO finals is 1-1 :shrug: Miles ahead? Okay, if that makes you feel better.

MuzzahLovah
06-14-2012, 01:50 AM
What I would give for someone other than these 3 to win Wimby. But with my luck it will be Nadal. Again. Murray will fuck up, Nadal will have an all Spanish half and crush Fed in the final.

MIMIC
06-14-2012, 01:51 AM
H2H in USO finals is 1-1 :shrug: Miles ahead? Okay, if that makes you feel better.

41 games vs. 37

Djokovic has the edge.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 03:34 AM
It's not 50-50, wake up.

Nadal pushed Novak to 6 hour match on his best surface (AO).

He won comfortably all clay tournaments against him dropping only 1 set.

Nadal will not be gifting anymore free slams to Novak like he did at 2011 Wimby, even on HC it's 50-50. On clay/grass Nadal is expected to win 9/10.

9/10? I'm not prepared to go that far. I think Nadal is the better grass player - it's a more natural surface for Nadal where he moves better than anyone other than prime Federer. I give Nadal a 60/40 edge personally. Novak is still a bad match up for him. so he's only got that kind of advantage your talking about at RG. IMO anyway. And on HC, the edge is steeply in Novak's favor IMO.

I do think Nadal is playing really well though and his win against Novak at RG should carry over and have a lot of weight, so I like his chances at Wimbledon this year if he can navigate the early rounds (always dicey at Wimbledon).

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 03:50 AM
i think fed will do extremely well at wimbledon this year. dont be surprised to see him in the final.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 04:08 AM
i think fed will do extremely well at wimbledon this year. dont be surprised to see him in the final.

I've been saying that too. I still think it's his best surface and if he were to win it, he would tie Sampras's record with 7. It would be an amazing feat. If Clay Warrior doesn't win and Murray doesn't win, I will be pulling for Federer should he make the final. I like seeing records tied/broken.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 04:15 AM
I've been saying that too. I still think it's his best surface and if he were to win it, he would tie Sampras's record with 7. It would be an amazing feat. If Clay Warrior doesn't win and Murray doesn't win, I will be pulling for Federer should he make the final. I like seeing records tied/broken.

affirmative.

it is the most logical conclusion general jeff.

wimbledon is the least demanding of all slams and fed understand grass better than the others.

now its just a matter of proper focus and production. he has to find a way to sneak into the final and see what develops.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 04:21 AM
affirmative.

it is the most logical conclusion general jeff.

wimbledon is the least demanding of all slams and fed understand grass better than the others.

now its just a matter of proper focus and production. he has to find a way to sneak into the final and see what develops.

I wish Fed the best. But I'll be pulling for Clay Warrior. Goes without saying I suppose.

Clay Death
06-14-2012, 04:23 AM
affirmative. that is the other 1/2 of the story.

i would like to see the clay warrior sneak into the final too.

tripwires
06-14-2012, 04:24 AM
Wimbledon has been Roger's worst slam in the past 2 years. Although I hope he wins, I'm not exactly holding my breath.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 04:28 AM
Wimbledon has been Roger's worst slam in the past 2 years. Although I hope he wins, I'm not exactly holding my breath.

It has, but he has been playing very good tennis this year (RG semi-final aside).

If his serve is on, he will do well. And with the olympics on grass as well, I can see him putting everything he has left into this year's grass season. He has to know his time is coming to a close. And he's one win away from tying Sampras's record. I really think Fed is going to surprise at this years Wimbledon.

My money is still on Nadal, but I can see Fed making the final if he is in Novak's half of the draw.

tripwires
06-14-2012, 04:32 AM
It has, but he has been playing very good tennis this year (RG semi-final aside).

If his serve is on, he will do well. And with the olympics on grass as well, I can see him putting everything he has left into this year's grass season. He has to know his time is coming to a close. And he's one win away from tying Sampras's record. I really think Fed is going to surprise at this years Wimbledon.

My money is still on Nadal, but I can see Fed making the final if he is in Novak's half of the draw.

I hope you're right. Obviously the tennis gods have to give him a hand too by placing Berdych and Tsonga as far away from him in the draw as possible. :D

Lopez
06-16-2012, 04:55 PM
If Federer wins Halle, he'll have 9 535 ranking points. That means that the rankings (minus Wimbledon) will look like this:

Djokovic: 10 280
Federer: 9 175
Nadal: 8 860

So Federer beating Djokovic in the final would still keep Nole as the nr.1, barely. Same with Nadal, but with a slightly larger margin. Nadal needs to outperform Federer to stay as nr.2.

After Wimbledon, the US Open hardcourt season will be Federer's last chance, since especially Djokovic is defending a LOT of points. Nadal is also defending slightly more points than Federer. Interesting stuff!

Mr. Oracle
06-16-2012, 05:58 PM
affirmative. that is the other 1/2 of the story.

i would like to see the clay warrior sneak into the final too.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek:

Hey you said you only like Nadal to the extent that he dominates your favourite surface: clay. Now you're cheering him on outside of clay. Still refuse to admit you are an all surface fanboy? There is no shame in that. Just keep it real general.

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 06:05 PM
federer for the first time in his career will win 3 grass tournaments this season. come back to quote me after the olympics

incognito
06-16-2012, 07:23 PM
If Federer wins Halle, he'll have 9 535 ranking points. That means that the rankings (minus Wimbledon) will look like this:

Djokovic: 10 280
Federer: 9 175
Nadal: 8 860

So Federer beating Djokovic in the final would still keep Nole as the nr.1, barely. Same with Nadal, but with a slightly larger margin. Nadal needs to outperform Federer to stay as nr.2.

After Wimbledon, the US Open hardcourt season will be Federer's last chance, since especially Djokovic is defending a LOT of points. Nadal is also defending slightly more points than Federer. Interesting stuff!
So, provided that the title stays within the top 3, anything less than a final for Djokovic would mean losing his #1 ranking to the title winner? Pretty straightforward and easy to remember... This will make the draw a little bit more interesting too, since if Federer for once finds himself in Nadal's half, Djokovic will keep the #1 ranking as long as he avoids falling victim to any major upset along the way to the final...

70-68
06-16-2012, 08:00 PM
I don't know how realistic are Federer's chances, but it's pretty awesome that he will be one tournament away from getting to No.1 after Halle (regardless the result tomorrow). Obviously it won't be easy, since he hasn't won a slam for more than 2 years now.

Yolita
06-17-2012, 04:09 AM
Resurgent Roddick not buying Djokovic's sob story (http://adf.ly/4612/banner/sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen08/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3567621)

Thanks for posting this link. I had forgotten the exact spirit of Roddick's words. Look how things turned out: with Nole holding 5 slams, winning Wimbledon and being #1 for over 50 weeks...And Roddick? :cool:

Yolita
06-17-2012, 04:18 AM
So, provided that the title stays within the top 3, anything less than a final for Djokovic would mean losing his #1 ranking to the title winner? Pretty straightforward and easy to remember... This will make the draw a little bit more interesting too, since if Federer for once finds himself in Nadal's half, Djokovic will keep the #1 ranking as long as he avoids falling victim to any major upset along the way to the final...
No. If Nadal wins Wimbledon and Nole makes the semis, Nole keeps the #1 (11000 to 10860). Nole only needs to make the finals if Roger wins Wimbledon.

A lot of wishful thinking on this thread. It reminds me of those threads about Roger being the #2 seed for Roland Garros. :D

Between Roger and Rafa, Rafa has to be considered favourite to win Wimbledon, based on recent results. And Nole has made the semis in the last 8 slams he's played. I think Nole will probably hang on to his #1 for a few more weeks. ;)

thehotstuff66
06-17-2012, 07:39 AM
how is rafa the favorite for wimbledon? he lost his only tune up on grass....hell i'd go with nole winning it before rafa...and fed has a good shot as well before rafa just based on his results on grass..but we will see in a few weeks...should be interesting.

JediFed
06-17-2012, 08:08 AM
Rafa has to be considered favourite to win Wimbledon

Ahahahaha. No.

Hasn't won a title off clay in several years now. Everybody has something to shoot for at Wimbly, especially if Fed wins today. Fed can get to number one, but it's still on Nole's racket.

duarte_a
06-17-2012, 08:13 AM
Spot on. :yeah:
It might be his worst surface but Nole masters all surfaces so that doesn't mean he cannot win there. Wait, he already did. :lol:

All surfaces are so similar....

Djokovic had no bussiness winning wimbledon and he wouldn't have won it if not for the clayish grass.

Allez
06-17-2012, 11:11 AM
Resurgent Roddick not buying Djokovic's sob story (http://adf.ly/4612/banner/sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen08/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3567621)

"If it's there, it's there," Roddick said. "There's just a lot. You know, he's either quick to call the trainer or he's the most courageous guy of all time. I think it's up for you guys to decide."

:haha: Andy was such a twat back then...

Hian-GOAT
06-17-2012, 11:13 AM
Interesting.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5jbxqN1cZ1qm6bdq.gif

Backhand_Maestro
06-17-2012, 11:22 AM
This would be Rafa's 6th successive Final if he made it either way, remarkable

Backhand_Maestro
06-17-2012, 11:28 AM
"If it's there, it's there," Roddick said. "There's just a lot. You know, he's either quick to call the trainer or he's the most courageous guy of all time. I think it's up for you guys to decide."

:haha: Andy was such a twat back then...

Roddick: Isn't it both of them? And a back and a hip?

Reporter: And when he said there are too many to count …

Roddick: And a cramp.

Reporter: Do you get a sense right now that he is …

Roddick: Bird flu.

Reporter: A lot of things. Beijing hangover.

Roddick: Yeah.

Reporter: He's got a pretty long list of illness.

Roddick: Anthrax. SARS. Common cough and cold.



People forget how much faking this guy did and still does by playing tired. If anyone's injured and moves like a cat, it's the Serbent!

mikeqq
06-17-2012, 11:56 AM
I would be ok with Fed getting to #1 without winning a GS. All he needs is another 2 weeks to break Pete's record.

We are not talking about Safina or Wozniacki here. They have a grand total of 0 slams, Federer has 16.

Johnny Groove
06-17-2012, 12:18 PM
A lot will depend on the draw.

Where will Federer be? Tsonga? Berdych? Delpo? Isner can cause a first week upset. Karlovic is always dangerous on grass, Haas is playing well, oh yeah Murray.

I am not convinced that 2 of the top 3 will make the final, a lot can happen.

ossie
06-17-2012, 01:30 PM
I'd like a nice quarter for Fed... no Raonic, no Berdych, no Tsonga, no Isner.

Probably too much too ask. :)

none of those players will trouble him this year.

abraxas21
06-17-2012, 01:51 PM
Thanks for posting this link. I had forgotten the exact spirit of Roddick's words. Look how things turned out: with Nole holding 5 slams, winning Wimbledon and being #1 for over 50 weeks...And Roddick? :cool:

and yet roddick's words still stand as djokovic is still widely regarded as a faker.

LinkMage
06-17-2012, 01:52 PM
Fed won't beat any big server at Wimbledon. Can't return for shit these days. Couldn't create a single BP chance in 3 sets against Clownga last year.

Would get tripled bagelled 7-6 7-6 7-6 as he is shit on TBs too lately. Or the scoreline could get even easier without TBs since he always throws in one gift service game per set where he can't put a 1st serve in to save his life, makes one DF, hits at least 2 FHs into the stands, shanks another 2 BHs out of the stadium and nets an easy putaway volley. :o

Kat_YYZ
06-17-2012, 01:56 PM
Fed won't beat any big server at Wimbledon. Can't return for shit these days. Couldn't create a single BP chance in 3 sets against Clownga last year.

Would get tripled bagelled 7-6 7-6 7-6 as he is shit on TBs too lately. Or the scoreline could get even easier without TBs since he always throws in one gift service game per set where he can't put a 1st serve in to save his life, makes one DF, hits at least 2 FHs into the stands, shanks another 2 BHs out of the stadium and nets an easy putaway volley. :o

He beat Raonic :shrug: on all surfaces this year.

fivebargate
06-17-2012, 02:14 PM
He beat Raonic :shrug: on all surfaces this year.

Lol....AND when Djoke couldn't get it done against Isner in Indian Wells....Fed gave him a lesson on how to return a big serve. :worship:

Lopez
06-17-2012, 08:10 PM
Federer lost the Halle final. That means that the rankings (minus Wimbledon) will look like this:

Djokovic: 10 280
Federer: 9 075
Nadal: 8 860

So if Nadal wins, SF is enough for Djokovic to stay at nr.1. If Federer wins, a final loss is enough for Djokovic.

federer for the first time in his career will win 3 grass tournaments this season. come back to quote me after the olympics

We can quote you after Halle, sadly :sad:

SheepleBuster
06-17-2012, 10:00 PM
Fed does not F'ing deserve to be #1. I am a big fan but the guy is just losing it. Look at his results. All close matches at French. Multiple times escaped Raonic in the third set tie-break. Lost to Roddick, Haas, and got his clock cleaned by Djokovic. His draws haven't been that hard to be honest. I am not sure he really has any claim to deserve being #1.

Jimnik
06-17-2012, 10:02 PM
Federer lost the Halle final. That means that the rankings (minus Wimbledon) will look like this:

Djokovic: 10 280
Federer: 9 075
Nadal: 8 860

So if Nadal wins, SF is enough for Djokovic to stay at nr.1. If Federer wins, a final loss is enough for Djokovic.
Hope none of those three win Wimbledon. I still have faith in Tsonga.

SheepleBuster
06-17-2012, 10:07 PM
Hope none of those three win Wimbledon. I still have faith in Tsonga.

I hope so too. Maybe someone new will win. I'd like to see a Murray Tsonga final. lol. But yes. Roger won't win anything this year. Maybe a masters. He is just playing like crap. Losing to Haas, being pushed hard again by Raonic, and playing like shit at French, ... his level of play is alarmingly low

GOAT = Fed
06-17-2012, 10:14 PM
Fed does not F'ing deserve to be #1. I am a big fan but the guy is just losing it. Look at his results. All close matches at French. Multiple times escaped Raonic in the third set tie-break. Lost to Roddick, Haas, and got his clock cleaned by Djokovic. His draws haven't been that hard to be honest. I am not sure he really has any claim to deserve being #1.

I would say that if he wins Wimbledon/US Open along with Olympics he will definitely deserve it. If he does it without winning a GS (Very unlikely) then yes he probably won't deserve it.

How can you say his draws have been easy? Yes the French Open was a pretty easy draw but his good run of form stretches back to last November.

masterclass
06-18-2012, 02:47 PM
With 2011 Wimbledon points dropped
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 10,280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI) 9,075
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 8,860

Points for Wimbledon 2012
.....................................R128(10)....R 64(45).....R32(90)....R16(180)....QF(360)...SF(720 )...Final(1200).....Win(2000)
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB)...10,290.....10,335.......10,370......10,460 ......10,640.....11,000.........11,480.........12, 280
2 Federer, Roger (SUI).......9,085.......9,120.........9,165....... 9,255.........9,435.......9,795.........10,275.... .....11,075
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP).........8,870.......8,905.........8,950..... ..9,040.........9,220.......9,580.........10,060.. .......10,860

If Novak Djokovic makes the final or wins, he will still be #1 post Wimbledon, no matter anyone else's result.

Roger Federer must win and hope Novak Djokovic does not go past the semifinal to be #1 post Wimbledon by 75 points.

Rafael Nadal must win, and hope Novak Djokovic does not go past the quarterfinal to be #1 post Wimbledon by 220 points.

Respectfully,
masterclass

henke007
06-18-2012, 03:06 PM
:clap2::bowdown:

Jimnik
06-19-2012, 02:50 AM
Amazing to think Federer just has to win Wimbledon to do this. Not a single slam final in the last 12 months while Djokal were in all four. Goes to show he's been dominating the MM events.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2012, 02:55 AM
So basically.

If Fed beats Djokovic in the SF and Nadal in the F, he will get back to #1?

Well played, tennis gods.

FedvsNole
06-19-2012, 05:01 AM
Whats sad is that federer even in his demised state if he played like he has shown over the past 8-9 months he can beat anyone from the qf, sf, and finals. But its those lapses in concentration against the top players that cost him. Breaking djokers serve and then immediately getting broken back. He's going to get a berdych or tsonga in the quarters everyone knows it and everyone knows he'll be in nole's half.

I would love love to see federer win wimbledon. I just dont think he does because of these lapses. Although if nole or nadal goes down what huge huge chance fed will have. Ill be cheering but with low expectations. if fed manages to beat nole and rafa in succession... wow.. what a way to close out your career with kamaha ma ha blast.

FedvsNole
06-19-2012, 05:08 AM
simon reed has spoken on wimbledon:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/simon-reed/federer-favourite-only-just-165244008.html


He says federer is the favorite barely and then he picks djokovic to win it kinda weird. He says federer is the slight favorite but then later says this:

"However, I wouldn't put any money on Fed winning Wimbledon this year. While Djokovic has been unable to repeat his incredible 2011 run, he is still the best player on the Tour and has all the weapons to retain his title."

stewietennis
06-19-2012, 05:26 AM
It looks like the draw will play a part in whether Roger regains the #1. In Novak's half he has a mathematical chance, provided he wins the whole thing. In Rafa's half, he has no chance of getting to #1, whatever the result.

hipolymer
06-19-2012, 05:39 AM
So basically.

If Fed beats Djokovic in the SF and Nadal in the F, he will get back to #1?

Well played, tennis gods.

Yeah who would have though beating the top 2 players in the world would make you number 1. :rolleyes:

networthy
06-19-2012, 05:42 AM
federer for the first time in his career will win 3 grass tournaments this season. come back to quote me after the olympics

:facepalm:

FedvsNole
06-19-2012, 06:41 AM
It looks like the draw will play a part in whether Roger regains the #1. In Novak's half he has a mathematical chance, provided he wins the whole thing. In Rafa's half, he has no chance of getting to #1, whatever the result.

Fed and nole are in the same half. Why is this even debatable. There will be more storylines like who will be number 1... etc.. etc...

They've been in the same half except australian and a french open over the last 4 years or so.

I think fed has a mental block against nole now for some reason. If fed can serve amazing he'll have his chances. Boy i would love to see fed win this but my head says no.

Lopez
06-28-2012, 09:59 PM
Nadal losing in Wimbledon R2 makes things interesting for Fed/Nole. Points now:

Djokovic 10 370
Federer 9 165
Nadal 8 905

Nadal is of course fixed at those points while Federer and Djokovic can add to their totals. Should Fedole meet in the semis, the winner of that match will be the world nr.1 after Wimbledon :yeah:.

This also makes things interesting for the Olympics, Montreal, Cincy and USO, since I think it's pretty certain that Federer and Djokovic will be the top 2 seeds in these tournaments.

buzz
06-28-2012, 10:03 PM
Nadal losing in Wimbledon R2 makes things interesting for Fed/Nole. Points now:

Djokovic 10 370
Federer 9 165
Nadal 8 905

Nadal is of course fixed at those points while Federer and Djokovic can add to their totals. Should Fedole meet in the semis, the winner of that match will be the world nr.1 after Wimbledon :yeah:.

This also makes things interesting for the Olympics, Montreal, Cincy and USO, since I think it's pretty certain that Federer and Djokovic will be the top 2 seeds in these tournaments.

I think Federer needs to win the tournament to be No1. oeps thats wrong....

Nole fan
06-28-2012, 10:04 PM
Nadal losing in Wimbledon R2 makes things interesting for Fed/Nole. Points now:

Djokovic 10 370
Federer 9 165
Nadal 8 905

Nadal is of course fixed at those points while Federer and Djokovic can add to their totals. Should Fedole meet in the semis, the winner of that match will be the world nr.1 after Wimbledon :yeah:.

This also makes things interesting for the Olympics, Montreal, Cincy and USO, since I think it's pretty certain that Federer and Djokovic will be the top 2 seeds in these tournaments.

Wow that would really make things interesting. :eek:

Mistik
06-28-2012, 10:10 PM
Shity...
All we need is them puting Nadal in Novak's half all the time to milk Fed money as long as they can.

PedroMarquess
06-28-2012, 10:15 PM
Shity...
All we need is them puting Nadal in Novak's half all the time to milk Fed money as long as they can.

This.

Nole fan
06-28-2012, 10:52 PM
Shity...
All we need is them puting Nadal in Novak's half all the time to milk Fed money as long as they can.

And that's what they will do. You'll see. :o

Roy Emerson
06-28-2012, 11:05 PM
C'mon Roger.

Mistik
06-28-2012, 11:07 PM
And that's what they will do. You'll see. :o

The good thing is Nole will screw their plans anyway... He'll be No1 cow soon enough.

Or we can do some terroristic shit to them.

I can teach you mental projection tricks so we can fuck them up?:)

BigJohn
06-28-2012, 11:08 PM
The plot unthickens.

Lopez
06-29-2012, 08:40 AM
Nadal losing in Wimbledon R2 makes things interesting for Fed/Nole. Points now:

Djokovic 10 370
Federer 9 165
Nadal 8 905

Nadal is of course fixed at those points while Federer and Djokovic can add to their totals. Should Fedole meet in the semis, the winner of that match will be the world nr.1 after Wimbledon :yeah:.

This also makes things interesting for the Olympics, Montreal, Cincy and USO, since I think it's pretty certain that Federer and Djokovic will be the top 2 seeds in these tournaments.

I think Federer needs to win the tournament to be No1. oeps thats wrong....

No, you were right I think.

So if Federer wins the semi against Nole, he still needs the title to become nr.1. Djokovic only needs to beat Fed to retain his ranking.

Nole fan
06-29-2012, 09:33 AM
No, you were right I think.

So if Federer wins the semi against Nole, he still needs the title to become nr.1. Djokovic only needs to beat Fed to retain his ranking.

Well, I'm pretty certain that if Federer beats Nole he will beat whichever mug is on the other side in the final.

romismak
06-29-2012, 01:45 PM
Iīm so happy Nadal lost, now point-wise it is only between Nole and Roger, i want Roger to broke that Peteīs record, he has huge chances, at least SF here i think is very possible and he can only add points not only here but also at HC Masters and USO. So hope Roger will get those few weeks and than YE No.1 will be Nole i hope. Also how somebody mentioned now Nole-Roger will be top 2 seeds, what will be great for USO, i really donīt want another USO SF between those 2 guys, but USO F between them, they are over last couple of years by far best players at USO so hope they will meet in USO F this time and better one should win.