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Andy Roddick's Wimbledon Seeding

Busterovic
06-03-2012, 10:14 AM
So as we all know Wimbledon uses their own seeding system, which is unlike any other ATP system (meaning they don't simply follow ATP rankings to determine the seeding of their tournament). They use prior history at the tournament in part to determine their seedings.

With that being said, Andy Roddick will be ranked about 30-35 (unless he wins Queens Club or struggles to atleast make the quarters there). That means with about 5 players out in most GS's he would be seeded anywhere from 25-30 with the various injuries to top 30 players.

But he's been a finalist here 3 times, he's made the semis atleast 4 times and the quarters atleast 3 times. The guy has a nice pedigree at the All England Club.

I have no clue how Wimbledon does their seedings and I also have no clue what the most drastic disparity has been between their seeding and ATP rankings but without knowing this how high will Andy be seeded based on his prior accolades in the tournament and the lack of those players rated in front of him.

Gasquet, Wawrinka, Raonic, Granollers, Seppi, Cilic, Kohlscieber, Troicki, Tomic and Stepanek are all ranked ahead of Roddick.

I think the ranking difference between Gasquet, Wawa, and Missile is large enough to where he doesn't jump them (and rightfully so, Raonic is basically a rookie at Wimby since his only appearance there he got hurt). But I do feel that its possible Roddick jumps the others in seeding.

Why is this important?

If Roddick is seeded in the low 20's he won't face a top 5 guy till round 3. If he's high 20's/early 30's he'll face them in the 2nd round.

Most people obviously don't care about this but Nole, Nadal, Ferrer, and Tipsarevic don't want to see Roddick in round 2 . . . .

henke007
06-03-2012, 10:21 AM
Nadal/Decker would be great :)

MIMIC
06-03-2012, 10:21 AM
Andy Decker? :lol:

Ben.
06-03-2012, 10:34 AM
A players seeding can only change if he is already a seed. Secondly, Wimbledon adds on all grass court points earned in the last 52 weeks and two thirds of grass points earned the year before that (or maybe it's three quarters).

Roamed
06-03-2012, 10:36 AM
I worked it out and Roddick will have 1415 points for the Wimbledon seeding (100% of grass points from 2011 added plus 50% of points from best grass court event of 2010 IIRC) plus whatever he gets from Queens. That would make him 23 in the current rankings, but of course everyone else is going to gain as well, so he should be slightly below 23 I reckon unless he does really well at Queens.

Busterovic
06-03-2012, 11:05 AM
I worked it out and Roddick will have 1415 points for the Wimbledon seeding (100% of grass points from 2011 added plus 50% of points from best grass court event of 2010 IIRC) plus whatever he gets from Queens. That would make him 23 in the current rankings, but of course everyone else is going to gain as well, so he should be slightly below 23 I reckon unless he does really well at Queens.

Thanks for that :p

GSMnadal
06-03-2012, 11:09 AM
First thought you were Sapeod when I glanced at your avatar. Then I read the post, and it was somewhat decent and didn't predict a CYGS for Murray, so it had to be someone else.

xdrewitdajx
06-03-2012, 12:23 PM
First thought you were Sapeod when I glanced at your avatar. Then I read the post, and it was somewhat decent and didn't predict a CYGS for Murray, so it had to be someone else.

same here :D

mooncreek
06-03-2012, 06:49 PM
Roddick's first concern is to make sure he's a seed in the first place. If he loses before the semis of Queens, he'll lose 45 points (he had gotten 90 from last year but can count QF in San Jose if loses earlier than QFs). That would have him at the same number of points as Troicki, who is ranked 33. If he's the 33rd ranked player entering Wimbledon, he won't have a seed at all.

TigerTim
06-03-2012, 10:27 PM
First thought you were Sapeod when I glanced at your avatar. Then I read the post, and it was somewhat decent and didn't predict a CYGS for Murray, so it had to be someone else.

:haha:

Topspindoctor
06-04-2012, 01:41 AM
Based on his recent form, Rodmug should be made to play qualies.

LocoPorElTenis
06-04-2012, 01:48 AM
If Roddick is seeded in the low 20's he won't face a top 5 guy till round 3. If he's high 20's/early 30's he'll face them in the 2nd round.


Small correction, but you're one round short. Seeded players don't meet other seeded players until the 3rd round, and with a higher seeding Mr Decker would avoid a top 4 in the third round.

However, as pointed out already, it is likely Mr Decker won't be seeded at all (Wimbledon uses its own algorithm for the order of the seeds, but the set of 32 seeds is determined by ranking only).

LocoPorElTenis
06-04-2012, 01:48 AM
By the way, I expect Rodduck to be a walking bye even at Wimbledon, he's completely out of shape and form.

abraxas21
06-04-2012, 02:05 AM
people underrate roddick

this is the same guy who sent federer packing in IW a couple of months ago

clay results dont mean much considering (a) he's always sucked on clay and (b) he barely cares about clay these days

SheepleBuster
06-04-2012, 02:07 AM
I thought Andy broke up with Brooklyn? Did that not happen?

abraxas21
06-04-2012, 02:08 AM
I thought Andy broke up with Brooklyn? Did that not happen?

if it did, it was probly the other way around

Topspindoctor
06-04-2012, 02:08 AM
people underrate roddick

this is the same guy who sent federer packing in IW a couple of months ago

clay results dont mean much considering (a) he's always sucked on clay and (b) he barely cares about clay these days

Lol. He's a washed up mug. He ain't making it past R3 at Wimby.

SheepleBuster
06-04-2012, 02:21 AM
if it did, it was probly the other way around

Well, we know it's going to happen. Brooklyn is an actress with potential (however small) married to a guy with no potential, no future, and sub-bar past. I am pretty sure it won't last long especially if Andy wants to start a family and Brooklyn wants to keep her career going

duong
06-04-2012, 02:26 AM
he will be seeded 25-32 unless he makes a great result in the Queens (then might meet a top-8 player in round 3, yes)

dencod16
06-04-2012, 02:33 AM
Roddick's first concern is to make sure he's a seed in the first place. If he loses before the semis of Queens, he'll lose 45 points (he had gotten 90 from last year but can count QF in San Jose if loses earlier than QFs). That would have him at the same number of points as Troicki, who is ranked 33. If he's the 33rd ranked player entering Wimbledon, he won't have a seed at all.

Roddick is currently 31 with current results from French Open and replacing Queens with San Jose. And the Queens points drop with French Open. However with Mayer playing a challengers that can all change and might slot him to 32. He needs a good result in Queens to assure him the seeding in WImbledon.

SheepleBuster
06-04-2012, 02:41 AM
It'd be funny if Roddick gets matched up with Federer and beats him for the first time in Wimbledon in round 2 or something. lol. Considering how awful Roger has been playing lately and the loss to Andy in Miami, it would not shock me

heya
06-04-2012, 03:19 AM
fedtroll texan should've never received adulation for his
lucky 2003 us open, mindless serve, easy draws and fake skills.
since 2004, he needed to be seeded 25 where he belonged because he
had poor fitness, little talent and the possibility of fed losses was high in 3rd rounds.

obviously, the circus freak got what he deserved after the year 2004- a media showcase of the stupidest player of the last decade. manipulative, cheap duck is predictable and less human than daniel koellerer.

tripwires
06-04-2012, 03:41 AM
Well, we know it's going to happen. Brooklyn is an actress with potential (however small) married to a guy with no potential, no future, and sub-bar past. I am pretty sure it won't last long especially if Andy wants to start a family and Brooklyn wants to keep her career going

What? They split/are splitting up?

n8
06-04-2012, 04:28 AM
Small correction, but you're one round short. Seeded players don't meet other seeded players until the 3rd round, and with a higher seeding Mr Decker would avoid a top 4 in the third round.

However, as pointed out already, it is likely Mr Decker won't be seeded at all (Wimbledon uses its own algorithm for the order of the seeds, but the set of 32 seeds is determined by ranking only).

The difference between 24th and 25th seed is profound. As 25th seed, you are guaranteed to meet a top 8 seed in the 3rd round (assuming all higher seeds advance):
3rd round: seed 1-8
4th round: seed 9-16

As 24th seed, it is reversed.
3rd round: seed 9-16
4th round: seed 1-8

Considering how strong the top 8 are overall, and the difference between R3 and R4 points, it's a huge difference.

Also, considering the strength of the top 4, getting the 12th seed is much better than the 13th seed.

13th seed:
3rd round: seed 17-24
4th round: seed 1-4
Quarters: seed 5-8

12th seed:
3rd round: seed 17-24
4th round: seed 5-8
Quarters: seed 1-4

That's why, in the past, when deciding the ladies' seeds (which do not follow a formula, but are subjectively altered), they often move players up to 12th and 24th.

cutesteve22
06-04-2012, 06:19 AM
Lol. He's a washed up mug. He ain't making it past R3 at Wimby.No, roddick always got cake draw at Wimbledon

Smoke944
06-04-2012, 06:25 AM
What? They split/are splitting up?

Ugh trip, please don't ever again take anything he posts seriously :lol:

m9m9m9m9m9
06-04-2012, 06:32 AM
First thought you were Sapeod when I glanced at your avatar. Then I read the post, and it was somewhat decent and didn't predict a CYGS for Murray, so it had to be someone else.

lol..exactly the same here :)
actually i didn't even realize it wasn;t him until i read your post and clear things up

duchuy89
06-04-2012, 06:37 AM
Fighting Roddick.

Seingeist
06-04-2012, 06:38 AM
Well, we know it's going to happen. Brooklyn is an actress with potential (however small) married to a guy with no potential, no future, and sub-bar past. I am pretty sure it won't last long especially if Andy wants to start a family and Brooklyn wants to keep her career going

Assuming that you meant "subpar past," where would you set par here? Roddick won a grand slam and has been in the top ten for around a decade. Is "par" multiple slams and over a decade in top ten?

tripwires
06-04-2012, 06:41 AM
Ugh trip, please don't ever again take anything he posts seriously :lol:

I guess I don't deserve getting my sanity back just yet. :lol:

Smoke944
06-04-2012, 06:46 AM
I guess I don't deserve getting my sanity back just yet. :lol:

Hah, good point :p

SwingVolley93
06-04-2012, 07:26 AM
Don't seed em :wavey:

LleytonMonfils
06-04-2012, 07:39 AM
Well, we know it's going to happen. Brooklyn is an actress with potential (however small) married to a guy with no potential, no future, and sub-bar past. I am pretty sure it won't last long especially if Andy wants to start a family and Brooklyn wants to keep her career going

She's actually said she wants to start a family and she also wants to adopt a child or two. I think she'll stick it out with Andy. I'd take over 5 years, even 10 years easy.

Hypnotize
06-04-2012, 08:29 AM
Even the clay-courters normally come to Wimbledon these days so the only seed above him likely to withdraw is Monfils (if he's still injured). Roddick needs to be ranked 33rd the week before Wimbledon to be seeded.