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Does Ferrer possess the game to drop Nadal in Paris?

2003
06-02-2012, 11:58 AM
Not the mental side of things, thats 50/50.

Ferrer has beaten Nadal in US Open and Australian Open (straight sets). But you might say Nadal was a baby in one, injured in the other.

Ferrer has been playing outstandingly lately.

Could he drop Nadal here assuming he got through his side of the draw?

GSMnadal
06-02-2012, 12:01 PM
Once again you deliver :haha:

No he doesn't

Mystique
06-02-2012, 12:02 PM
No. He doesnt have a huge weapon to hit through Nadal and he is not going to out-Nadal Nadal on this court over 5 sets. Just no.

Also..

Not the mental side of things, thats 50/50.



No, its 0-100 on the mental side. David doesnt believe against Nadal on this surface. How much more proof do we need? He is worse even than Federer who afterall has a major matchup disadvantage issue at least on this surface.

Action Jackson
06-02-2012, 12:02 PM
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When Ferrer actually decides to find some self belief on clay then perhaps, but not happening.

lucyfur
06-02-2012, 12:03 PM
Wasn't he playing outstanding in Barcelona and Rome?

Punky
06-02-2012, 12:04 PM
LOL in my wet dreams maybe
ferrer cant win fed or nole so to think he can win rafa in paris?
no way.

BodyServe
06-02-2012, 12:05 PM
He is talentless but he might sneak a set, if he is lucky mind you.

MIMIC
06-02-2012, 12:19 PM
Paris? No. Nadal is just too overwhelming for him on clay.

But who knows. I wouldn't count him COMPLETELY out. He'd have to have an exceptional day.

Orka_n
06-02-2012, 12:22 PM
He does have the game and the endurance. (It wouldn't be easy of course but it could be done.)

Unfortunately he doesn't have the belief. And sadly it ends there.

He is talentless but he might sneak a set, if he is lucky mind you.Making the top 10 for years and years, still getting no respect at all. Mindblowing really. Furthermore, having a knack for working hard is also a talent.

Now waiting for Mug Lenders to drop by.

Absolute Anthropoid
06-02-2012, 12:31 PM
Like some have said, I don't think he has the belief to beat Nadal (at least at RG). If Ferrer gets to Nadal and wins a tie-break, I will be very happy with that.

Sucks to see Ferrer gets barely any credit over here.

r3d_d3v1l_
06-02-2012, 12:51 PM
The only thing that troubles Ferrer is his head.

Nr 1 Fan
06-02-2012, 12:58 PM
Game yes (although I am not sure over 5sets), but the mental block has become too big by now.

Johnny Groove
06-02-2012, 01:35 PM
He's got the game, sure, that is not in doubt. He is one of only a few I think that has the fitness to go toe to toe with Nadal over 4/5 sets.

It is the mind that we are concerned with.

Kat_YYZ
06-02-2012, 01:38 PM
Another Ferrer-bashing thread. :rolleyes: Should be a bannable offense.

misty1
06-02-2012, 01:39 PM
he definately does have the game. Had he taken his chances and beaten nadal in one of their earlier encounters this year like he could have i'd say he had a better shot at doing it because his confidence would be higher

but he just doesnt believe he can beat nadal in best of 3 on clay so he wont beat him in best of 5 on clay

paseo
06-02-2012, 01:44 PM
Yeas. Absolutely. No doubt.

Chris Kuerten
06-02-2012, 01:48 PM
Yes.

But he will never win.

latso
06-02-2012, 01:57 PM
Yes.

But he will never win.
This

despite i wouldn't say never-ever, though...

mickymouse
06-02-2012, 02:00 PM
Ferrer will not bend over for Nadal. He's the only Spaniard to have beaten Nadal twice at GS. But this court is just too slow for him to have a chance.

misty1
06-02-2012, 02:04 PM
Ferrer will not bend over for Nadal. He's the only Spaniard to have beaten Nadal twice at GS. But this court is just too slow for him to have a chance.

yeah but those were not on clay. Ferrer can beat nadal and the belief is there on hard court. But on clay for some reason he doesnt have that belief

Kiedis
06-02-2012, 02:18 PM
Almagro and no Ferrer would be Nadal biggest threat this year.

Kiedis
06-02-2012, 02:20 PM
yeah but those were not on clay. Ferrer can beat nadal and the belief is there on hard court. But on clay for some reason he doesnt have that belief

For some strange reason, I venture to add. All we know than Rafa is very beatable in clay.

dencod16
06-02-2012, 02:46 PM
He has shown he has the game lately but the belief is just not there.

Commander Data
06-02-2012, 02:49 PM
Ferrer won't even take a set. stop the non-sense.

BroTree123
06-02-2012, 02:56 PM
2003, don't tell me you failed clown college as well?

sweetkit
06-02-2012, 03:14 PM
Spaniard upsets Nadal at Roland Garros, yeah, and pigs can fly.

Corey Feldman
06-02-2012, 03:17 PM
he does own Nadal in GS matches and should have beat him twice on clay this year so who knows

Chirag
06-02-2012, 03:17 PM
he does own Nadal in GS matches and should have beat him twice on clay this year so who knows

:spit: :superlol:

Chirag
06-02-2012, 03:18 PM
of course he doesnt :rolleyes: Nadal is a much much better player than him on clay :shrug:

emotion
06-02-2012, 03:20 PM
The game- yes, absolutely, I think he´s actually an increasingly bad match up for Nadal as he gets more aggressive
Mentally, probably no

Singularity
06-02-2012, 03:22 PM
of course he doesnt :rolleyes: Nadal is a much much better player than him on clay :shrug:
Depends on how well Nadal is playing, doesn't it?

Nole_1990
06-02-2012, 03:23 PM
I dont think he can because he doesn't have the belief to win against anybody in the top 3
especially if he goes a set or two down like AO QF this year .

evilmindbulgaria
06-02-2012, 03:24 PM
He sure does if you are talking about the Paris Masters event :devil:



Spaniard upsets Nadal at Roland Garros, yeah, and pigs can fly.

Magician, is that you :wavey:

Nr 1 Fan
06-02-2012, 03:27 PM
:spit: :superlol:

What's so funny about that? Didn't see the Rome match , but he should have definitely beat him in Barcelona.

iriraz
06-02-2012, 03:39 PM
He has the game to keep the sets tight,going to 5-5 or 6-6.But u always feel when there is a big moment coming he loses the point.Sometimes he makes the error but other times Nadal comes up with a great shot.
I don`t see him having a big shot that can win big matches.He does have the consistency but to win the big events u need more then that.
Also i don`t see him having a B plan if things don`t go his way.It shows especially against Federer,where he has to deal with different pace all the time.

theKSHE
06-02-2012, 03:54 PM
Ferrerling.

Nole Rules
06-02-2012, 04:11 PM
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abraxas21
06-02-2012, 05:14 PM
he doesn't have the game or the mind to beat nadull

Looner
06-02-2012, 05:17 PM
I said he doesn't have the game because I am not confident he can execute properly for 3 sets against mr Clay at RG. On HCs it's a different matter but on clay he has to play one too many shots. A lot of people have talked about a lack of mental belief but that is also related to this matchup. He has to be at his best for long periods of time (he can do it for long periods but not as long as beating Nadal in 3/5 sets at RG requires you to) and this really affects him.

So, a bit like Federer, he has the game but sustaining it at that level on clay against Nadal is really a big, an almost impossible ask.

TigerTim
06-02-2012, 05:20 PM
no, he will lose 7-6(15), 6-0, 7-6(1) as always :o

r3d_d3v1l_
06-02-2012, 05:33 PM
I said he doesn't have the game because I am not confident he can execute properly for 3 sets against mr Clay at RG. On HCs it's a different matter but on clay he has to play one too many shots. A lot of people have talked about a lack of mental belief but that is also related to this matchup. He has to be at his best for long periods of time (he can do it for long periods but not as long as beating Nadal in 3/5 sets at RG requires you to) and this really affects him.

So, a bit like Federer, he has the game but sustaining it at that level on clay against Nadal is really a big, an almost impossible ask.

Last time Ferrer took a set of Nadal on clay was over 4 years ago (Barcelona). And if you look at his matches, there´s always a set with a close score (7-5/7-6).

He really just needs to break through that mental block and win the first set. If he does, he might have a chance.

mooncreek
06-02-2012, 05:38 PM
You did see the end of the matches he's played against Nadal on clay this year. Ferrer can fight for a set but he totally loses the belief in the tight moments.

Looner
06-02-2012, 05:39 PM
Last time Ferrer took a set of Nadal on clay was over 4 years ago (Barcelona). And if you look at his matches, there´s always a set with a close score (7-5/7-6).

He really just needs to break through that mental block and win the first set. If he does, he might have a chance.

People are confusing mental block with inability to stay consistent. Obviously in the tough moments he'll be a bit nervous (more than usual) but it's those times when a player can display if he's good enough or not.

shadows
06-02-2012, 05:49 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DEsQ7npwBAs/T7fIpb-j7PI/AAAAAAAAAWc/-HjnB5UUP5k/s1600/Ferrer-Nadal.jpg

all you need to know.

wish I had the two sets stats side by side.

Singularity
06-02-2012, 05:56 PM
People are confusing mental block with inability to stay consistent. Obviously in the tough moments he'll be a bit nervous (more than usual) but it's those times when a player can display if he's good enough or not.
The two problems are not mutually exclusive. In Barcelona for example, he checked out mentally when the tiebreak came around, and then got very tight when serving for the second set.

Art&Soul
06-02-2012, 06:01 PM
Ferrer will kick nadull ass this time if they both meet

gorgo1986
06-02-2012, 06:03 PM
As much as I like Ferrer he will get destroyed by this Nadal if they were to meet here, not even a set maybe even a breadstick.

Sri
06-02-2012, 07:17 PM
He may have the game if Nadal's having a bad day, but will still falter mentally.

samanosuke
06-02-2012, 07:24 PM
only thing which ferrer posses except no talent is ability to bend over nadal anytime and anywhere

Mountaindewslave
06-02-2012, 08:10 PM
no weight behind his shots, playing Ferrer is like playing a worse version of himself with less power, so no way Nadal can lose when healthy against Ferrer

Mark Lenders
06-02-2012, 08:15 PM
Does Ferrer possess the pants to drop for Nadal in Paris?

Yes, he most definitely does.

tribalfusion
06-02-2012, 08:44 PM
only thing which ferrer posses except no talent is ability to bend over nadal anytime and anywhere

I love how a little internet troll who wouldn't be able to win a point can call a perennial top 10 player like Ferrer a talentless player.

It would be soooo great to see some of the trolls here play a match against some players ranked around 300 and see what happens.

tribalfusion
06-02-2012, 08:45 PM
Does Ferrer possess the pants to drop for Nadal in Paris?

Yes, he most definitely does.


I don't know what Ferrer did to you personally for you to troll like this but I (wrongly) expected better from you.

sexybeast
06-02-2012, 08:51 PM
Ferrer could challenge him for one set like some other great clay players, but they all fall apart at some moment.

l_mac
06-02-2012, 08:52 PM
I don't think it's mental with Ferrer at all.

Nadal is a better player than him.

Lyoshka80
06-02-2012, 08:56 PM
Nadal would have to be really off his game. Skill wise Ferrer can at times match Nadal, but mentally he's much weaker. Nadal's confidence is currently soaring and I think it'll take someone with a game bigger than Ferrer to drop him.

allpro
06-02-2012, 09:13 PM
pics is in excellent form and has defeated nadal in slams. he has a far greater chance of pulling an upset than murray.

Kiedis
06-02-2012, 11:34 PM
We are talking about Ferrer, one of the players out of big 3 who more times has beated Nadal in GS... and people showing us how stupid they are with his non-stop talking about "mentally" :lol:

Can Ferrer beat Nadal? Yes, he can. Its difficult because Rafa normally is a better player, but he has done previously.

Ferrer is Federer bicth, not Rafa one.

abraxas21
06-02-2012, 11:39 PM
We are talking about Ferrer, one of the players out of big 3 who more times has beated Nadal in GS... and people showing us how stupid they are with his non-stop talking about "mentally" :lol:

Can Ferrer beat Nadal? Yes, he can. Its difficult because Rafa normally is a better player, but he has done previously.

Ferrer is Federer bicth, not Rafa one.

ferrer has beaten nadal on hardcourts

on clay, he's nadal turkey. he's lost his last 11 or 12 clay matches against nadal.

Kiedis
06-02-2012, 11:40 PM
ferrer has beaten nadal on hardcourts

on clay, he's nadal turkey. he's lost his last 11 or 12 clay matches against nadal.

Who is not Nadal turkey in clay, mate?

duong
06-03-2012, 12:24 AM
yes he has, imo he was very unlucky in Barcelona and Roma.

However, it's more problematic for him in Roland-Garros imo because of the balls which are very dynamic, which is better for Nadal's spin and for Nadal's serve (the latter is much better than Ferrer's and played a big role both in Barcelona and Roma)

And also because of the 5-setter format : he needs working so much to dominate Nadal that he usually runs out of gas whereas it's easier for Nadal whose basic game gives a big protection on clay. Same problem as Federer.

That said, I've so much wished that he beat Nadal or even took a set in Barcelona and Roma when he deserved it so much, that if he did that in Roland-Garros, God it would take all regrets off ! :D

After all, miracles happen in sport ;)

PS : anyway at least reaching Roland-Garros semi for the first time would already be a much deserved reward for him which I and even more he would fully appreciate :)

duong
06-03-2012, 12:27 AM
LOL in my wet dreams maybe
ferrer cant win fed or nole so to think he can win rafa in paris?
no way.

When did Fed or Nole beat Ferrer in Roland-Garros ?

Besides, Ferrer has a positive H2H against Djokovic on clay, the only time Djokovic beat him was last year and Djokovic in his best year had to sweat a lot to beat him in Madrid.

duong
06-03-2012, 12:29 AM
he definately does have the game. Had he taken his chances and beaten nadal in one of their earlier encounters this year like he could have i'd say he had a better shot at doing it because his confidence would be higher

yes definitely true it will probably be a big miss, I would have liked seeing that, he would have been more confident in Roland-Garros.

Topspindoctor
06-03-2012, 01:06 AM
Ferrer possesses no game to drop healthy Nadal on any surface. Another retarded thread from the 2012 ACC champ, 2003.

tektonac
06-03-2012, 01:32 AM
only 22 fed fans voted so far.

Corey Feldman
06-03-2012, 01:34 AM
Ferrer is the better ball striker and more talented

only advantage for Nadull is his moonball and fitness

so why not?

incube
06-03-2012, 01:39 AM
If Ferrer can, then Pico also.
I like more the chances of Berdych and DelPo...Hope there is no Delpo Vs Federer this time:sad:

tribalfusion
06-03-2012, 02:19 AM
Who is not Nadal turkey in clay, mate?

Exactly. Why is this a surprise or some strange case for Ferrer as opposed to every other player of the relevant generations?

Ferrer is a bad ass clay courter who could have been a lot more significant minus Nadal.

Nole Rules
06-08-2012, 02:50 PM
He does have the game and the endurance. (It wouldn't be easy of course but it could be done.)
Unfortunately he doesn't have the belief. And sadly it ends there.

Making the top 10 for years and years, still getting no respect at all. Mindblowing really. Furthermore, having a knack for working hard is also a talent.

Now waiting for Mug Lenders to drop by.

He's got the game, sure, that is not in doubt. He is one of only a few I think that has the fitness to go toe to toe with Nadal over 4/5 sets.

It is the mind that we are concerned with.

he definately does have the game. Had he taken his chances and beaten nadal in one of their earlier encounters this year like he could have i'd say he had a better shot at doing it because his confidence would be higher

but he just doesnt believe he can beat nadal in best of 3 on clay so he wont beat him in best of 5 on clay

he does own Nadal in GS matches and should have beat him twice on clay this year so who knows

The game- yes, absolutely, I think he´s actually an increasingly bad match up for Nadal as he gets more aggressive
Mentally, probably no

Ferrer will kick nadull ass this time if they both meet

pics is in excellent form and has defeated nadal in slams. he has a far greater chance of pulling an upset than murray.

Ferrer is the better ball striker and more talented

only advantage for Nadull is his moonball and fitness

so why not?

He does the game? yeah sure!

:haha:

TigerTim
06-08-2012, 03:00 PM
Oh dear :haha: Fed and Novak have just pissed themselves :spit: