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Roland Garros R16 WWW: Tomas Berdych vs Juan Martin Del Potro

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 06:08 PM
Any predictions for this one? A healthy Del Potro should beat Berdych, who is a very good match-up for him in surfaces like this, but there are huge question marks over his health. He has reached this round mostly thanks to his status as a Grand Slam winner, his opponents all had chances but were 'afraid' to win, couldn't take advantage of Del Potro's diminished condition. If Montanes, Vasselin and Cilic were mentally playing against Del Potro with a bad knee and not Del Potro the Slam winner, Juan would be home by now for sure.

Tomas is a different story; Del Potro is a very bad match-up for him on slow surfaces, but he should take this one. He will not be afraid to take down Del Potro, his status as a top player will give him the confidence to see off the match. He has been hitting the ball superbly even if he showed some signs of fatigue today. He's been playing his best tennis this year and this and the next few Slams are his time to shine.

Unless Del Potro's knee can somehow recover completely in 2 days, my prediction is Berdych in 3/4. Your thoughts?

LastRocket
06-01-2012, 06:15 PM
Any predictions for this one? A healthy Del Potro should beat Berdych, who is a very good match-up for him in surfaces like this, but there are huge question marks over his health. He has reached this round mostly thanks to his status as a Grand Slam winner, his opponents all had chances but were 'afraid' to win, couldn't take advantage of Del Potro's diminished condition. If Montanes, Vasselin and Cilic were mentally playing against Del Potro with a bad knee and not Del Potro the Slam winner, Juan would be home by now for sure.

Tomas is a different story; Del Potro is a very bad match-up for him on slow surfaces, but he should take this one. He will not be afraid to take down Del Potro, his status as a top player will give him the confidence to see off the match. He has been hitting the ball superbly even if he showed some signs of fatigue today. He's been playing his best tennis this year and this and the next few Slams are his time to shine.

Unless Del Potro's knee can somehow recover completely in 2 days, my prediction is Berdych in 3/4. Your thoughts?

Delpo's knee was fine today, movement was good. He should be fit to play Berdych.
Though one..... I will go with Berdych in 4 sets

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 06:24 PM
Delpo's knee was fine today, movement was good. He should be fit to play Berdych.
Though one..... I will go with Berdych in 4 sets

It was definitely better, but still far from ideal. He benefitted from the huge mental block Cilic has against him, from getting owned by Delpo ever since they played in the U14s together.

The improvement is a good sign, but he needs to have no hindrance to beat Berdych, who is playing great tennis lately and will not be afraid to pounce when chances arise unlike Juan's previous opponents.

motorhead
06-01-2012, 06:30 PM
Unless Del Potro's knee can somehow recover completely in 2 days

I think I've read somewhere the same sentence about two days ago

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 06:35 PM
I think I've read somewhere the same sentence about two days ago

You probably did :)

TigerTim
06-01-2012, 07:02 PM
Match of the tourney so far this one could be. Hope it is fun.

romismak
06-01-2012, 07:54 PM
This should have been match of the tournament from R4 definitely, but right now it didnīt look so great, Berdych today had some leg problems, and Delpo seems to be not 100% fit since Rome.. so the fitter one will win, i am really angry, because Fed is loosing here sets with nobodies, so healthy Tomas or healthy Delpo can take him down, but neither of them is probably 100% healthy.

henke007
06-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Berdych in str8s or maybe 4..

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 07:58 PM
This should have been match of the tournament from R4 definitely, but right now it didnīt look so great, Berdych today had some leg problems, and Delpo seems to be not 100% fit since Rome.. so the fitter one will win, i am really angry, because Fed is loosing here sets with nobodies, so healthy Tomas or healthy Delpo can take him down, but neither of them is probably 100% healthy.

Tomas is healthy, just very tired, has played non-stop for many weeks in a row.

Don't think the winner of the match will beat Federer in the following round. Del Potro would stand a better chance, but he'd obviously need to be completely fit and get over the mental block he has developed against Federer since his comeback, both unlikely.

Tomas can hit through Federer in normal conditions, but he seems so tired, his scheduling wasn't good at all. But I guess he might have some energy reserves, you never know. But I don't think either of these guys is stopping Federer, wouldn't put my money on it for sure.

LastRocket
06-01-2012, 07:59 PM
Tomas is healthy, just very tired, has played non-stop for many weeks in a row.

Don't think the winner of the match will beat Federer in the following round. Del Potro would stand a better chance, but he'd obviously need to be completely fit and get over the mental block he has developed against Federer since his comeback, both unlikely.

Tomas can hit through Federer in normal conditions, but he seems so tired, his scheduling wasn't good at all. But I guess he might have some energy reserves, you know? But I don't think either of these guys is stopping Federer, wouldn't put my money on it for sure.

Tired i don't think so, he played as much in 2010 when he reached the SF. :)

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 08:01 PM
Tired i don't think so, he played as much in 2010 when he reached the SF. :)

Just the impression I got from his match today, he seemed a bit short on energy. Hope I'm wrong. If he has some energy reserves, he could do something big here provided he gets past Del Potro of course, which he should in the current circumstances.

Hian-GOAT
06-01-2012, 08:02 PM
Kick his ass, Juan :rocker2:

A Tomas' win would be appreciated anyway :lol:

Eddy DoubleD
06-01-2012, 08:04 PM
Delpo in 4 for sure.

romismak
06-01-2012, 08:05 PM
Tomas is healthy, just very tired, has played non-stop for many weeks in a row.

Don't think the winner of the match will beat Federer in the following round. Del Potro would stand a better chance, but he'd obviously need to be completely fit and get over the mental block he has developed against Federer since his comeback, both unlikely.

Tomas can hit through Federer in normal conditions, but he seems so tired, his scheduling wasn't good at all. But I guess he might have some energy reserves, you never know. But I don't think either of these guys is stopping Federer, wouldn't put my money on it for sure.

Donīt know if he is healthy - i mean those injury time-outs and leg pain and something was there - of course he is tired- he was in form making it deep in all tournaments, Madrid F, Rome QF, that 4 matches in Dusseldorf was stupid- i mean he loves to play for his country, but playing 4 matches before RG wasnīt clever from him, i think top guys shouldnīt play Dusseldorf-Nice just they can get tired for RG... Almagro is only one who i get why he is playing -250 clay events are his ,,world,, but Berdych - potential dark-horse of RG with all his deep runs in Madrid, MC, Rome play another 4 matches in Dusseldorf not wise decision...

Looner
06-01-2012, 08:11 PM
Unless Del po is at least at 90%, I can't see him winning this. Berdych's game is far too big in this tournament. I suppose a match on SL where conditions are slower might help him.

MIMIC
06-01-2012, 08:15 PM
Berdych in 4.

DjokerFan3
06-01-2012, 08:15 PM
Delpo in 5!

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 08:15 PM
Unless Del po is at least at 90%, I can't see him winning this. Berdych's game is far too big in this tournament. I suppose a match on SL where conditions are slower might help him.

That goes without saying. The differences at the top are very slim, matter of details. No way a player like Berdych can be beaten by an injured opponent. But Berdych does seem very tired himself (at least to me), so can't really call this one. Tomas starts as favorite though.

And yes, slower conditions favor Delpo in this match-up, he has easily routined Tomas in every match they played in slow courts and lost a close on in Madrid's fast courts. It is because the longer the rallies between the two big hitters, the more powerful and consistent guy will prevail and that's Juan. Berdych's game relies on finishing points off fast/going for lines, which is made harder the slower the court is.

Poirot123
06-01-2012, 08:26 PM
This should have been match of the tournament from R4 definitely, but right now it didnīt look so great, Berdych today had some leg problems, and Delpo seems to be not 100% fit since Rome.. so the fitter one will win, i am really angry, because Fed is loosing here sets with nobodies, so healthy Tomas or healthy Delpo can take him down, but neither of them is probably 100% healthy.

Disagree. Del Potro has only ever beaten Fed once, and has been destroyed by him everytime they've met since Del Po has returned from injury. If Del Potro beats Berdych, expect Fed to lining up against Djokovic in the SF. However, if Berdych comes through, which I expect, then it's 50-50 in the QF in my opinion. fed has looked average thus far, possibly due to coasting, possibly due to fitness (he might be carrying an injury), possibly due to poor form. Who knows? But if he plays at his current level V Berdych (which is unlikely but assuming he does) he will be destroyed in 4.

As for the Berdych Del Potro match up - I favour Berdych simply because he's been playing well this year, looks fit, and Del Potro is carrying an injury. however, it should be a great and very close match. Too good for the 4th round, which will contain matches such as Djokovic V Seppi and Federer V Goffin. Too bad for these guys.

ZaZoo)
06-01-2012, 08:31 PM
Epic in making

Argenbrit
06-01-2012, 08:32 PM
Del Potro has only ever beaten Fed once
Twice. Everyone forgets that Pony also beat Fed in the WTF that year, where he left Murray out of the semis for like one game.

Poirot123
06-01-2012, 08:51 PM
Twice. Everyone forgets that Pony also beat Fed in the WTF that year, where he left Murray out of the semis for like one game.

I stand corrected. I completely forgot that match! Should help Fed not feel too bad he doesn't have 17 GS titles.

Roger the Dodger
06-01-2012, 08:53 PM
This might be the best 4th round match from this half as Poirot points out.

incube
06-01-2012, 08:57 PM
DelPo in 4 sets.

Looner
06-01-2012, 08:58 PM
That goes without saying. The differences at the top are very slim, matter of details. No way a player like Berdych can be beaten by an injured opponent. But Berdych does seem very tired himself (at least to me), so can't really call this one. Tomas starts as favorite though.

And yes, slower conditions favor Delpo in this match-up, he has easily routined Tomas in every match they played in slow courts and lost a close on in Madrid's fast courts. It is because the longer the rallies between the two big hitters, the more powerful and consistent guy will prevail and that's Juan. Berdych's game relies on finishing points off fast/going for lines, which is made harder the slower the court is.

Nothing more to say really... Let's wait and see who wins. I'll be hedging my vcash bets :p.

LEO_Legionario
06-02-2012, 02:05 AM
Delpo in 4

Topspindoctor
06-02-2012, 02:07 AM
Ball basher battle.

I suppose Berdshit will take this in 3 as he's a much better and more talented player than overrated Del-Shitro. But his mental side is always under question, so a long match like he had against Mugderson or even a loss is not out of question :o

sylacauga
06-02-2012, 02:18 AM
Berdych has played a lot of tennis the past two months and I think it's starting to catch up with him. Delpo will exploit Berdych's movement much more than Anderson could. Delpo in 4.

The Prince
06-02-2012, 02:40 AM
I think Del Potro wins this in 3 sets. Berdych has been hyped up, and I can't see him delivering on the undoubted good signs he's been showing.

lucyfur
06-02-2012, 03:06 AM
I think Del Potro wins this in 3 sets. Berdych has been hyped up, and I can't see him delivering on the undoubted good signs he's been showing.

# DelPotro is learning to live with the pain in his left knee, but today, at times, was on the verge of tears.

I saw this on twitter today, maybe he'll lose easily in straights or not play at all if the knee still hurts.:shrug:

SelvenluvJo
06-02-2012, 03:07 AM
Heart says Del Potro .

Clay Death
06-02-2012, 03:10 AM
it will be the great silent assassin.

bye bye berdych.

The Prince
06-02-2012, 03:11 AM
# DelPotro is learning to live with the pain in his left knee, but today, at times, was on the verge of tears.

I saw this on twitter today, maybe he'll lose easily in straights or not play at all if the knee still hurts.:shrug:

I hope he is okay to play. He's found a way through Marin, who is more or less an ideal warm up for Berdych. I think Del Potro wins if he is at 80% or better.

paseo
06-02-2012, 04:40 AM
Del Potro will take out Berdych then bow out to his Master in the QF. Yeah!

tektonac
06-02-2012, 04:44 AM
berdych was a lock till anderson match.

hipolymer
06-02-2012, 04:46 AM
Berdych 7-6, 6-2, 6-1

duchuy89
06-02-2012, 05:54 AM
Tomas Berdych.

Mr. Oracle
06-02-2012, 06:12 AM
the first interesting match at RG

Nr 1 Fan
06-02-2012, 06:13 AM
Even if he can take Berdych Out with painful knee, he Will just lose to Fed next round if he's not fit. Don't see a point in playing if you are not fit enough to compete for the tournament win.

Mystique
06-02-2012, 06:29 AM
Hope Juan Martin but this is 70-30 in Berdych's favour seeing how the two has played in this tournament so far :(

SheepleBuster
06-02-2012, 06:54 AM
If Delpo is healthy, he will win in straight sets. If not, he could lose in straight sets

Nr 1 Fan
06-02-2012, 08:40 AM
Any predictions for this one? A healthy Del Potro should beat Berdych, who is a very good match-up for him in surfaces like this, but there are huge question marks over his health. He has reached this round mostly thanks to his status as a Grand Slam winner, his opponents all had chances but were 'afraid' to win, couldn't take advantage of Del Potro's diminished condition. If Montanes, Vasselin and Cilic were mentally playing against Del Potro with a bad knee and not Del Potro the Slam winner, Juan would be home by now for sure.

Tomas is a different story; Del Potro is a very bad match-up for him on slow surfaces, but he should take this one. He will not be afraid to take down Del Potro, his status as a top player will give him the confidence to see off the match. He has been hitting the ball superbly even if he showed some signs of fatigue today. He's been playing his best tennis this year and this and the next few Slams are his time to shine.

Unless Del Potro's knee can somehow recover completely in 2 days, my prediction is Berdych in 3/4. Your thoughts?

Don't forget he lost to Tomas while being completely fit in Madrid. That was a faster surface, but still means something IMO.

gulzhan
06-02-2012, 09:24 AM
They both will retire in the end of the match. The all time toughest draw just must get tougher.

ossie
06-02-2012, 09:33 AM
delpo looked good against mugic, berdshit has zero chance. i predict the goat in 3 tight sets.

henke007
06-02-2012, 09:36 AM
delpo looked good against mugic, berdshit has zero chance. i predict the goat in 3 tight sets.

You can't be serious , man. Well Delpo better pray he can finish it in 3 sets then..

david_is_not_fat
06-02-2012, 09:43 AM
Juan you have to WIN THIS! (no other option :lol:)

RandomChiller
06-02-2012, 09:46 AM
Berdych will win.

tennishero
06-02-2012, 09:55 AM
i think his knee will be much better come monday

delpo in 4 sets

JanKowalski
06-02-2012, 10:03 AM
Ball basher battle.

I suppose Berdshit will take this in 3 as he's a much better and more talented player than overrated Del-Shitro. But his mental side is always under question, so a long match like he had against Mugderson or even a loss is not out of question :o

US Open 2009 still hurts, doesn't it? :D

shadows
06-02-2012, 10:06 AM
Berdych.

Anderson was a hiccup but he's past it, while DelPo is obviously still not at full health. Just can't see DP win if he's not fit.

Chase Visa
06-02-2012, 12:21 PM
Ummm, I'm not sure.

While Berdych looked the hot favourite due to Pony's knee problems, Berdych barely got past Anderson (Anderson! ffs) and Delpo hammered Cilic. So...I dunno.

No matter what, it'll be a gun game.

nalbyfan
06-02-2012, 12:53 PM
Birdie is in better shape than Delpony, his movements are much better so Birdie will win

ImmzB
06-02-2012, 04:12 PM
Hopefully Del Potro!!

Vamos!

Mr. Oracle
06-02-2012, 05:03 PM
Berdych takes this in 4.

LinkMage
06-02-2012, 05:56 PM
Hopefully Del Mugtro takes the trash out.

EddceLLent
06-02-2012, 07:52 PM
i am really angry, because Fed is loosing here sets with nobodies, so healthy Tomas or healthy Delpo can take him down, but neither of them is probably 100% healthy.

You vastly underestimate Federer, he plays as well as he needs to in order to get the job done. Federer in the latter stages of a tournament is completely different to Federer in the first week. Having reached the QF or better of the last 31 slams you'd think people might pay less attention to his form in early rounds :).

guga2120
06-02-2012, 07:58 PM
Should be a very tactical match. Berdych in 4.

allpro
06-02-2012, 08:03 PM
t-berd in straights.

EddceLLent
06-02-2012, 08:03 PM
He has reached this round mostly thanks to his status as a Grand Slam winner, his opponents all had chances but were 'afraid' to win, couldn't take advantage of Del Potro's diminished condition. If Montanes, Vasselin and Cilic were mentally playing against Del Potro with a bad knee and not Del Potro the Slam winner, Juan would be home by now for sure.

I think you're lending a little too much significance to him having won a slam. I don't think any of those three had the game, form or the mental fortitude to get the job done. I severely doubt that they, on the verge of victory, suddenly began to shudder, so much were they in awe of del Potro the great champion.

ossie
06-02-2012, 08:37 PM
I think you're lending a little too much significance to him having won a slam. I don't think any of those three had the game, form or the mental fortitude to get the job done. I severely doubt that they, on the verge of victory, suddenly began to shudder, so much were they in awe of del Potro the great champion.mortal minds shrivel when they see the goat on the other side of the net.

Matt01
06-02-2012, 09:05 PM
Heart says Del Potro .


Brain says Berdych. :sad:

fivebargate
06-02-2012, 09:17 PM
What a tough one to call. Berdych has been peaking this year I think...Del P struggling a little to get back to his very best. Both, as we know, capable of superb tennis on this surface.

NO result would surprise me....but I have a feeling that here is where the rubber will meet the road for DelP....Del P in 4 or 5.

Corey Feldman
06-02-2012, 11:35 PM
Vamos Delpo!

latso
06-03-2012, 10:42 AM
You need a poll for such a match.

I'd say Pony in 4

christallh24
06-03-2012, 10:51 AM
I hope Berdych. In four.