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Can anyone stop Ferrer from reaching his first RG SF this year?

sexybeast
05-31-2012, 10:45 PM
I think not, with Isner gone no one can stop Ferrer in this draw. Murray halfinjured and Gasquet a matchup written in the stars. Mathieu, Granollers and Youzhny not good enought to even pull up an upset in my opinion. What else, Giraldo?

Ferrer usually handles lesser claycourt specialists with ease.

Ferrer-Nadal SF might be better than most people expect, Ferrer is one of the few players who can hang in there with Nadal during baseline rallies but Nadal's mental strength usually decides the outcome.

SerialKillerToBe
05-31-2012, 10:47 PM
Youzhny can. He leads their H2H 4-2

Chris Kuerten
05-31-2012, 10:49 PM
Nadal def. Ferrer 7-6(5) 6-4 6-2

TigerTim
05-31-2012, 10:51 PM
Maybe Murray, apparently the guy is half decent.

sexybeast
05-31-2012, 10:51 PM
Youzhny can. He leads their H2H 4-2

Yes, but 1)they havent played each other for 3 years and Youzhny has declined in this period while Ferrer stays the same and 2)Ferrer won easily their only match on clay.

Anyway, anything is possible with Ferrer in RG. He lost to Stepanek some years ago which didnt make much sense.

Chase Visa
05-31-2012, 10:54 PM
Gasquet?

Gagsquet
05-31-2012, 10:54 PM
Maybe Murray, apparently the guy is half decent.

He has to get past Giraldo and then Haas/Gasquet...

Gagsquet
05-31-2012, 10:55 PM
Gasquet?

:haha: :haha:

Orange Wombat
05-31-2012, 10:55 PM
Don't forget that Murray was also injured last French Open and he still reached the semis. Though he did have help from some choking by his opponents.

Gasquet is most likely, but Ferrer beat him pretty handily at AO this year.

sexybeast
05-31-2012, 10:57 PM
Ferrer-Gasquet 7-1

Mark Lenders
05-31-2012, 10:59 PM
His cakewalk draw should unfortunately get him to the quarter-finals, Youznhy and Granollers/Jaziri/Mathieu aren't exactly clay court prodigies or even anything resembling a top player.

If this comes to pass, Murray will take him out in the quarters provided he's minimally healthy and gets there. I know Murray isn't good on clay and that he seems half-injured, but I just can't see a player of Murray's caliber lose in a best-of-five match at a Slam to Ferrer if he's minimally healthy. If Murray does harbour hopes of winning a Slam some day, he must win matches like that.

If Murray is indeed seriously injured, then I guess Gasquet would be the best bet to stop him, in which case Ferrer in the semis would be a very likely scenario.

sexybeast
05-31-2012, 11:01 PM
Ferrer is 3-0 against Murray on clay, also this year is Murray's worst claycourt season since 4 years ago.

Mark Lenders
05-31-2012, 11:06 PM
Ferrer is 3-0 against Murray on clay, also this year is Murray's worst claycourt season since 4 years ago.

But they never played at Roland Garros. In a best-of-five Grand Slam match, one seriously has to fancy Murray, even if it's on clay, assuming that he is healthy enough to get to the QF in the first place.

It'd be quite bad for Murray to lose a Slam match to a player that is, in many ways, an inferior version of Murray himself. That said, if Murray does crash and burn it's hard to see anyone stop Ferrer before SFs.

henke007
05-31-2012, 11:09 PM
No, Ferrer should establish his Nr 4 ranking in the world ;)

Renaud
05-31-2012, 11:11 PM
Where is Gael when we need him...

ZaZoo)
05-31-2012, 11:14 PM
Another grand slam semi with Youzhny for piggy, nid.

Singularity
05-31-2012, 11:29 PM
But they never played at Roland Garros. In a best-of-five Grand Slam match, one seriously has to fancy Murray, even if it's on clay, assuming that he is healthy enough to get to the QF in the first place.

It'd be quite bad for Murray to lose a Slam match to a player that is, in many ways, an inferior version of Murray himself. That said, if Murray does crash and burn it's hard to see anyone stop Ferrer before SFs.
Well, this clay season, Ferrer's ground game has proved a match for Nadal's. And Ferrer typically moves better than Murray on clay, anyway.

emotion
05-31-2012, 11:34 PM
Hopefully not, it would be about time.
Giraldo i'd say would have best shot, but he could well lose before then

Federer in 2
05-31-2012, 11:36 PM
The real number 5 will be back in his place. Come on David :)

Mark Lenders
05-31-2012, 11:36 PM
Well, this clay season, Ferrer's ground game has proved a match for Nadal's. And Ferrer typically moves better than Murray on clay, anyway.

In which of his two straight sets defeats (with a bagel included) to Nadal did that happen?

And yes, Ferrer might move better on clay, but that's all he has going for him. Murray's serve gets him more free points, his return is better, his anticipation is better, his groundstrokes are better and more consistent. In best-of-five, I'd expect a (minimally) healthy Murray to be too much to overcome for a player without any big weapons, even on clay.

He usually only loses grinding contests to Nadal or Djokovic. Not to mention Murray would make the semi a bit more interesting, last year was a very good semi.

bouncer7
05-31-2012, 11:39 PM
But they never played at Roland Garros. In a best-of-five Grand Slam match, one seriously has to fancy Murray, even if it's on clay, assuming that he is healthy enough to get to the QF in the first place.

It'd be quite bad for Murray to lose a Slam match to a player that is, in many ways, an inferior version of Murray himself. That said, if Murray does crash and burn it's hard to see anyone stop Ferrer before SFs.


:worship::worship::worship:

Arakasi
05-31-2012, 11:43 PM
In which of his two straight sets defeats (with a bagel included) to Nadal did that happen?

And yes, Ferrer might move better on clay, but that's all he has going for him. Murray's serve gets him more free points, his return is better, his anticipation is better, his groundstrokes are better and more consistent. In best-of-five, I'd expect a (minimally) healthy Murray to be too much to overcome for a player without any big weapons, even on clay.

He usually only loses grinding contests to Nadal or Djokovic.

Um, perhaps you don't realise this but Ferrer is a considerably better player than Murray on clay. That's plain as day and if you disagree :help:. I'm not sure why you think 5 sets would favour Murray. Ferrer is known for his consistency and fitness. If anything 5 sets favours him.

The only reason a Ferrer-Murray match would be any different at Roland Garros vs their three previous meetings on clay is because Ferrer has a poor record at RG/might feel more pressure since it's a slam.

out_grinder
05-31-2012, 11:48 PM
But they never played at Roland Garros. In a best-of-five Grand Slam match, one seriously has to fancy Murray, even if it's on clay, assuming that he is healthy enough to get to the QF in the first place.

It'd be quite bad for Murray to lose a Slam match to a player that is, in many ways, an inferior version of Murray himself. That said, if Murray does crash and burn it's hard to see anyone stop Ferrer before SFs.

Lol, how is Ferrer inferior to Murray.

Ferrer has an actual forehand (still a shit forehand, but better than Mugray's), a better return of serve (Federer and other experts agree it is the best ROS on tour) and a FS% somewhat higher than - oh, I dunno, 12 percent or whatever Mugray averages these days.

He also moves better on clay - is far fitter over 5 sets despite his chain-smoking (he would be a FREAK if he didn't smoke), leads their H2H on clay, and won their most recent match on Mugrays strongest surface (fast HC) and does not have a broken back at the moment.

Even if Mugray makes the quarters, Ferrer is guaranteed to beat him.

Mark Lenders
05-31-2012, 11:51 PM
Um, perhaps you don't realise this but Ferrer is a considerably better player than Murray on clay. That's plain as day and if you disagree :help:. I'm not sure why you think 5 sets would favour Murray. Ferrer is known for his consistency and fitness. If anything 5 sets favours him.

The only reason a Ferrer-Murray match would be any different at Roland Garros vs their three previous meetings on clay is because Ferrer has a poor record at RG/might feel more pressure since it's a slam.

Their record at Roland Garros would beg to differ, take a look at their performances in the last three years, Murray has done better in each occasion. In this particular clay court event, the most important one after all, Murray has done better.

5 sets would favor Murray because he's a fantastic best-of-five player, younger and fitter than Ferrer (perhaps not fitter, but he expands far less energy on court). Don't you remember Ferrer tiring out in their AO 2011 semi?

Murray is being a bit underrated here; yes, clay isn't his best surface, but this is a Grand Slam and it is very, very hard to beat Murray there, and even harder to outgrind him. Of course there are still questions about his health, so let's see if he even gets to the quarters.

Mark Lenders
05-31-2012, 11:58 PM
Lol, how is Ferrer inferior to Murray.

Ferrer has an actual forehand (still a shit forehand, but better than Mugray's), a better return of serve (Federer and other experts agree it is the best ROS on tour) and a FS% somewhat higher than - oh, I dunno, 12 percent or whatever Mugray averages these days.

He also moves better on clay - is far fitter over 5 sets despite his chain-smoking (he would be a FREAK if he didn't smoke), leads their H2H on clay, and won their most recent match on Mugrays strongest surface (fast HC) and does not have a broken back at the moment.

Even if Mugray makes the quarters, Ferrer is guaranteed to beat him.

Say what? Ferrer best return on tour? Could you please send me links of experts agreeing with this nonsense?

The best returner is Djokovic, with Murray right next. And yes, Ferrer's 1st serve % is higher, but Murray still gets more free points with serve because his serve is bigger. And Murray's five set record is fantastic, he has absolutely not fitness problems in long matches.

Your initial question can only be solved in two ways: either go take a look at each performances/achievements in Grand Slams and Masters 1000, or better yet watch both play over a prolonged period of time and you'll see the difference in quality and potential. Murray is a player who is actually a bit unlucky not to have a Slam title as he's constantly deep in Slam tournaments and has the game to conceivably win one.

That said, if Ferrer really does want to reach a Slam semi at Rolan d Garros in his career, this is his best opportunity by far; Murray with a bad back is his biggest obstacle. If he can't do it this time, he never will.

Singularity
06-01-2012, 12:02 AM
In which of his two straight sets defeats (with a bagel included) to Nadal did that happen?

And yes, Ferrer might move better on clay, but that's all he has going for him. Murray's serve gets him more free points, his return is better, his anticipation is better, his groundstrokes are better and more consistent. In best-of-five, I'd expect a (minimally) healthy Murray to be too much to overcome for a player without any big weapons, even on clay.

He usually only loses grinding contests to Nadal or Djokovic. Not to mention Murray would make the semi a bit more interesting, last year was a very good semi.
Ferrer had 5 set points in the first set in Barcelona, then had a complete mental breakdown in the tiebreak. He served for the second set before throwing it away with easy errors. In Rome Ferrer had a marathon first set against Nadal that lasted an hour and 26 minutes, and was lost by single point at 6 all in the tiebreak. Can it get any closer than that? In that set he generated 10 break points to Nadal's one.

Of course, he lost it completely after that. Which comes down my point, which is that his problem is mostly mental against Nadal.

I would normally agree with you, except that Ferrer is playing incredibly well this clay season; possibly the best he's ever played. And he IS being consistently aggressive. Why hasn't Nadal been able to put him away easily?

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 12:12 AM
Ferrer had 5 set points in the first set in Barcelona, then had a complete mental breakdown in the tiebreak. He served for the second set before throwing it away with easy errors. In Rome Ferrer had a marathon first set against Nadal that lasted an hour and 26 minutes, and was lost by single point at 6 all in the tiebreak. Can it get any closer than that? In that set he generated 10 break points to Nadal's one.

Of course, he lost it completely after that. Which comes down my point, which is that his problem is mostly mental against Nadal.

I would normally agree with you, except that Ferrer is playing incredibly well this clay season; possibly the best he's ever played. And he IS being consistently aggressive. Why hasn't Nadal been able to put him away easily?

He's always done well in pre-RG events, even last year he only lost to Nadal and Djokovic. It's not exactly new to see him get good results. Roland Garros has always been a different story, though, although he's never had a draw as easy as this year's. Nadal has always had to spend a lot of energy to beat him in pre-RG events, it's not something exclusive to this year.

Assuming Murray is healthy and makes it to the QF, another thing against him is fatigue. Even when he wins in 3 sets Ferrer spends a lot of energy because he grinds every point, even more so on clay, spends far more energy than Murray, which is bound to catch up to him at that point in the tournament. He's always at full throttle even while comfortably beating lower ranked guys, doesn't conserve energy as well as the top players, Murray included.

156mphserve
06-01-2012, 12:15 AM
Haas is going to be in the semis:worship:

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 12:26 AM
Haas is going to be in the semis:worship:

This would be a glorious outcome for tennis :D

rocketassist
06-01-2012, 12:28 AM
Ferrer's nailed on for the semis. Where he'll blow set points in the first set and then lose the last two 1 and 0.

rocketassist
06-01-2012, 12:31 AM
It will be Ferrer.

On clay he punishes Murray's forehand junk, which is too attackable on the dirt.

sexybeast
06-01-2012, 12:46 AM
This would be a glorious outcome for tennis :D

Nadal ****** the glorified Haas backhand in a 6-0 6-2 6-0 match in SF against old Haas would not be glorious at all. QF against Ferrer would be ok for me.

Mountaindewslave
06-01-2012, 01:01 AM
Well, this clay season, Ferrer's ground game has proved a match for Nadal's. And Ferrer typically moves better than Murray on clay, anyway.

Ferrer zero threat to Nadal unless Nadal is injured or doesn't care, which he does.

Topspindoctor
06-01-2012, 01:36 AM
Ferrer will choke to Pushray in QF. His mental strength is overrated.

Orka_n
06-01-2012, 01:52 AM
But they never played at Roland Garros. In a best-of-five Grand Slam match, one seriously has to fancy Murray, even if it's on clay, assuming that he is healthy enough to get to the QF in the first place.

It'd be quite bad for Murray to lose a Slam match to a player that is, in many ways, an inferior version of Murray himself. That said, if Murray does crash and burn it's hard to see anyone stop Ferrer before SFs.:facepalm: Another one who thinks the top 4 are from another universe or something.

On clay, Ferrer is the favorite vs Murray. Who gives a shit that it's RG, Murray is hardly a slam giant himself.

The SF is David's for the taking.

leng jai
06-01-2012, 01:53 AM
Doesn't matter if he plays Haas, Murray or Gasquet - none of these gimps are in the physical shape to beat Ferrer on clay.

BroTree123
06-01-2012, 02:01 AM
He will lose before the QF as always (more often than not).

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 02:04 AM
:facepalm: Another one who thinks the top 4 are from another universe or something.

On clay, Ferrer is the favorite vs Murray. Who gives a shit that it's RG, Murray is hardly a slam giant himself.

The SF is David's for the taking.

They are not from another universe, but they're generally better than the field, and that includes Murray, which is why they have reached Slam semis/finals so often. Even in Roland Garros, Andy's results have been better than Ferrer's. Murray isn't a Slam giant, but he consistently gets to SF at least and is only beaten by the very best, at least in the last handful of Slams.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrer won, especially given Murray's apparent health issues, though. But will always favor a healthy Murray in a 5-set grind against Ferrer.

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 02:09 AM
Doesn't matter if he plays Haas, Murray or Gasquet - none of these gimps are in the physical shape to beat Ferrer on clay.

Don't lose hope on your guy. Class is permanent and Haas has it in spades. I would never rule him out.

The fact that he remains so competitive at 34 after everything he's been through is just :worship: Would love to see him in the semis.

leng jai
06-01-2012, 02:11 AM
Don't lose hope on your guy. Class is permanent and Haas has it in spades. I would never rule him out.

The fact that he remains so competitive at 34 after everything he's been through is just :worship: Would love to see him in the semis.

Haas is amazing but lets be real here - he would probably never beat Ferrer on clay in his prime, let alone at 34 after playing 7 matches. If he does it will be one of the most epic achievements of all time.

Mark Lenders
06-01-2012, 02:17 AM
Haas is amazing but lets be real here - he would probably never beat Ferrer on clay in his prime, let alone at 34 after playing 7 matches. If he does it will be one of the most epic achievements of all time.

Maybe so, but let's not lose hope. He deserves to have another great Slam run before calling it a day. And Ferrer was never that good in RG anyway, it's not like he's unbeatable.

If he can remain fit and playing good tennis, Haas does have chances, especially with Murray apparently injured. Unlikely, but let's not lose hope :D No one saw the Wimbledon 2009 run come either, although he was in better shape back then.

leng jai
06-01-2012, 02:21 AM
If he can have a decent run here and nice draw at Wimbledon it could be a 2009 repeat. Ferrer has the semifinal in the bag here though, unless he tosses it out himself.

incube
06-01-2012, 02:22 AM
Even if Ferrer plays with haas in QF he wont up to SF:o
This is like Spain in world soccer cups...or like Verdasco against Nadal...o wait,,:rolleyes:
Probably his last chance.

Thunderfish8
06-01-2012, 03:22 AM
For those of you who are pointing out that Murray was also injured last year...
1. He also had a much better clay court season last year leading up to RG.
2. That was a rolled ankle. This is a back injury of unknown status. Most people know that the one injury you don't wanna fuck with is a back injury. I do not think he can survive a slow start vs. Ferrer like he did today vs. Nieminen.
3. Last year, his three matches with his rolled ankle were Berrer, Troicki, Chela... that is probably one of the easiest three matches he will ever have from the R32 to the QF. This year he is looking to have an in-form Giraldo, Gasquet (who beat him in three sets two weeks ago on clay), and then Ferrer.

not looking good for murray

knowing Ferrer, he'll probably address the fact (if and when Murray loses) that Murray was injured and most other seeds in his section were upset
he's modest like that and will be reluctant to credit himself with what may be one of the easiest draws to a slam SF

duchuy89
06-01-2012, 03:32 AM
Nadal. I think!

leng jai
06-01-2012, 03:33 AM
He doesn't play Rafito until the SF sweetheart.

romismak
06-01-2012, 09:57 AM
Nobody will stop him, when i first saw draw and i see Murray- Ferrer as QF match-up i though ok Ferrer is favorite from Murray´s section to SF and i expected SF top 3 + Ferrer and most likely there all will make it. Only one in this secton of draw in this quarter who can beat Ferrer was/were Murray and Isner - about ISner i always thought he must be at his absolute maximum, serving big and playing crucial points perfectly to beat Ferrer at best of 5, but Isner´s form lately was average if not bellow average so i was expecting Ferrer should make it past Isner and than we have Murray.

I still think Ferrer would be favorite against healthy Murray, now with this cripple there i can´t see him make it past Giraldo.. there is no way not 100% healthy-fit Murray can beat Ferrer on clay best of 5 format. Even Murray beating Ferrer in straight sets means at least 3 hours of batlle - long baseline points and really i think nobody believe Murray to beat Ferrer on clay 3:0.

Ferrer will make SF there is nobody to stop him really, actually i wouldn´t be surprised if he will be in SF without loosing set.

asmazif
06-01-2012, 10:28 AM
Haas to finally complete his career GS QF resume :D

Action Jackson
06-01-2012, 10:35 AM
Lenders ranting on Ferrer huge surprise.

Yes, it's likely Ferrer will make it through to the semis, far from a definite.

petar_pan
06-01-2012, 10:43 AM
I don't see who can beat him. If he is ready mentally he has good chance for title. Only Rafa is better player on clay. And he can even beat Rafa. I mean, he could if there isn't that complex. He could for sure. Unfortunately, he will never be.

Ben.
06-01-2012, 10:49 AM
It's a big opportunity for David. If he doesn't make it, I would consider it an upset, even if he loses to Murray.

ServeVolley
06-01-2012, 11:02 AM
Ferrer finally learns how to beat Nadal in a tiebreaker and wins 7-6 0-6 7-6 7-6.

But seriously, I would cry if he did somehow manage to beat Nadal. Ferrer leads the HTH 2-1 in Grand Slam matches, so he cetainly knows how to play Nadal over five... but the problem is beating him on clay. Is that possible? Probably not, but I'd say he has a better chance than Youzhny/Gasquet or an injured Murray. :shrug:

Dead Net Cord
06-01-2012, 11:12 AM
Now or never.

Busterovic
06-01-2012, 11:18 AM
Who cares? He's 0-74 against Nadal on clay anyways

buzz
06-01-2012, 11:24 AM
Quarter final could be though but he should make it this time!

Otlichno
06-01-2012, 11:32 AM
No.

orangehat
06-01-2012, 12:43 PM
Mark Lenders you're delusional if you think Murray is favourite to beat Ferrer here at RG.

in 2009 when Murray reached the QF against Gonzalez I said I would bet my house on Gonzalez. And Ferrer is just as good (if not better) than Gonzalez on this surface.

And no, Murray hasn't improved much on clay since then.

Pirata.
06-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Mark Lenders will do anything to downplay Ferrer's achievements, sad that he has so much hate in his heart for such a nice guy like Ferrer.

Lugburz
06-01-2012, 04:40 PM
Sure thing, Tommy or Richard :p

sexybeast
06-06-2012, 07:52 PM
Finally Ferrer! At 30 he finally reaches the SF, he will be my hero if he wins 2 sets against Nadal.

I knew he would make it ever since Isner got eliminated. I hope Ferrer rises to the occasion against Nadal, the first set will be very important.

Hian-GOAT
06-06-2012, 07:57 PM
His cakewalk draw should unfortunately get him to the quarter-finals, Youznhy and Granollers/Jaziri/Mathieu aren't exactly clay court prodigies or even anything resembling a top player.

If this comes to pass, Murray will take him out in the quarters provided he's minimally healthy and gets there. I know Murray isn't good on clay and that he seems half-injured, but I just can't see a player of Murray's caliber lose in a best-of-five match at a Slam to Ferrer if he's minimally healthy. If Murray does harbour hopes of winning a Slam some day, he must win matches like that.

If Murray is indeed seriously injured, then I guess Gasquet would be the best bet to stop him, in which case Ferrer in the semis would be a very likely scenario.

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