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Coria without a coach...again!

jazz_girl
10-29-2004, 12:13 AM
http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=148783&IdxSeccion=100443
Apparently it's because of the Masters. Markus doesn't want him to play and Coria does...
The article is in Spanish:
El argentino Guillermo Coria se ha quedado sin entrenador debido a que Gabriel Markus decidió poner fin a su vinculación profesional de cinco meses con el tenista.

"Por razones personales no sigo", dijo Markus a la página web "sportsya.com".
Coria y Markus no tuvieron continuidad de trabajo desde que llegaron a un acuerdo en Wimbledon debido a las lesiones que sufrió el tenista y que le obligaron a operarse en agosto pasado.

En los últimos días mantuvieron conversaciones España de cara a la temporada 2005, pero en entrenador tomo la decisión de desligarse del número uno de Argentina y continuar con Juan Ignacio Chela.

A finales de septiembre pasado, Markus se manifestó en desacuerdo con que Coria participara en el Masters de Houston en el caso de que lograra clasificarse entre los primeros ocho de la Carrera de Campeones, intención anunciada públicamente por el jugador.

"Si es por mí, Coria no juega el Masters", dijo el entrenador Aires, al referirse a un comentario que el tenista, inactivo desde agosto pasado a causa de una operación, hizo con respecto a esa posibilidad cuando estaba convaleciente de la operación en el hombro derecho.

"Me sorprendió que se adelantara el inicio de los entrenamientos de Guillermo en una pista de tenis, porque estaba previsto que lo hiciera más adelante. Supongo que el médico debe haber evaluado que la evolución ha sido satisfactoria para dar esta autorización", comentó en ese momento Markus, lo cual fue interpretado como un cortocircuito entre ambos.

Respecto a la posibilidad de que el preparador Gil Reyes se una a Coria, deseo que el jugador ha manifestado en varias ocasiones, Markus dijo en aquel momento: "Hemos hablado con Guillermo, desde el comienzo de nuestro vínculo, de la posibilidad de que Gil Reyes se haga cargo de la parte física. Coria lo tiene idealizado a Reyes y supongo que en algún momento él se va a unir al cuerpo técnico". EFE

BaselineSmash
10-29-2004, 12:23 AM
When I first saw the thread title, I thought the split would be over the Masters. Someone seems to be lacking good sense...

Deboogle!.
10-29-2004, 12:30 AM
ohmygosh!!! :eek:

Havok
10-29-2004, 12:36 AM
That's kinda dumb. What good will it do for Coria to play TMC anyways? Just take the rest of the year off and get your body/health back to 100%. Coming back from not playing on tour for a while and entering a field with the top 8 players in the world isn't such a smart thing to do.:o

jazz_girl
10-29-2004, 12:49 AM
I said this in the Spanish forum already, but here it is again.
Many people keeps saying that gaudio shouldn't go to the Masters (even though he has qualified) because he will do badly, it's not his favourite surface, blah, blah, blah. But I think Coria will do badly there, he even knows that. He lacks match practise, had surgery a few months ago, his now ex-coach doesn't want him to play, people that have seen him training in Madrid has told me that he doesn't have the strength enough to hit well the balls and his serve is very bad. Even himself doesn't expect to win many matches, or even one. So, why does he want to go there? He could make the injury worse! Why not recover and come back strong next year? He doesn't have anything to defend in Australia, so he could be risking his body.
I'm sorry if I offended any of his fans, but this is what I think...

TennisLurker
10-29-2004, 01:29 AM
I also think this situation has been bad for chela, now chela will have markus for himself, alone, finally.

Deboogle!.
10-29-2004, 01:30 AM
jazz_girl i agree with you. as much as I love Guille and miss him on the tour, he needs to make sure he is 100% fit. And I agree with Naldo that your first tournament back at one like TMC where you are with the top top players seems like it's not the best way to ease back into match practice. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that he would maybe not play well b/c of lack of match practice, for me the concern should be making sure he is absolutely ALL BETTER from his surgery. Coria has been known to come back too early from much smaller and less serious injuries in the past. You'd think he would've learned by now. Better safe than sorry for him. He's so young, there are many chances to play TMC in the future.

It seems like his coach is just looking out for his best interests health-wise - it's too bad that a disagreement like this would cause them to end their working relationship :(

Fee
10-29-2004, 01:41 AM
I agree with everything you said Deb (except that I'm not really a Coria fan). He should take a lesson from all the other guys who have had shoulder surgery and take his time coming back. If he's completely healthy, he should have no problem getting to the Masters next year.

Chloe le Bopper
10-29-2004, 02:32 AM
Coria, you're going to run out of coaches to steal if you keep this shit up.

Billabong
10-29-2004, 02:46 AM
:eek:

Manila ESQ
10-29-2004, 03:14 AM
I heard that sponsors want Coria to play in Houston. In any case, I hope he does not play, so Andre will have a better chance of qualifying. He-he...(Sorry!)

Chloe le Bopper
10-29-2004, 03:20 AM
Coria denies that he's doing it for his sponsers.

Deboogle!.
10-29-2004, 03:23 AM
I heard that sponsors want Coria to play in Houston.

Well without knowing if this is true or not, I would really hope that he'd have the balls to say F YOU to his sponsors if he is not physically well enough to play. B/c having sponsors won't mean jack if he were to hurt his shoulder even worse and have to be out even longer or something like that.

Carito_90
10-29-2004, 03:24 AM
I heard that sponsors want Coria to play in Houston.

That's not true, Guille said it wasn't.
I knew they weren't gonna last long, Coria is too ambitious and Markus just wouldnt be able to understand.
Guille's position is completely understandable. I mean, I dont know if I could see myself 3 months without playing tennis... imagine a pro. Its more than obvious why he wants to come back, even if its not the most recomendable thing to do.
Pro tennis players know what they're doing, or at least they're supposed to... if he decides to come back then its because he feels he can play, and I'll support him. Same if he decides not to play.

Ballbuster
10-29-2004, 03:34 AM
goddamn it, Henman still won't make the Masters Cup. WTF :mad:

WyveN
10-29-2004, 03:45 AM
Why fire a coach while being injured

Argentine girl
10-29-2004, 03:52 AM
I don't mind if Gaudio will play in Master Cup because it will probably be once in his life time. I still disagee with coria's decision. If Coria is unfit, let the healthy and in-form guy take the place. Imagine Coria playing with the big serve like Roddick and Safin. His shoulder will get worse.

Fee
10-29-2004, 04:46 AM
Yeah, if I was the player coordinator for Prince I would be pressuring Coria to show up and get his ass kicked in his first match because he can barely lift his racquet above his head. That's excellent marketing.

Count on the alternate player to get matches this year. And hopefully whoever he is, he will be in the draw on the first day so that he has a chance in the RR.

CoriaFan4ever
10-29-2004, 06:18 AM
I said this in the Spanish forum already, but here it is again.
Many people keeps saying that gaudio shouldn't go to the Masters (even though he has qualified) because he will do badly, it's not his favourite surface, blah, blah, blah. But I think Coria will do badly there, he even knows that. He lacks match practise, had surgery a few months ago, his now ex-coach doesn't want him to play, people that have seen him training in Madrid has told me that he doesn't have the strength enough to hit well the balls and his serve is very bad. Even himself doesn't expect to win many matches, or even one. So, why does he want to go there? He could make the injury worse! Why not recover and come back strong next year? He doesn't have anything to defend in Australia, so he could be risking his body.
I'm sorry if I offended any of his fans, but this is what I think...
im a fan of coria and i completely agree with you!

coriafan01
10-29-2004, 07:51 AM
It doesn't matter...it is hard to find a good fit. He'll find one that will CLICK. :)

Action Jackson
10-29-2004, 08:42 AM
I have made it clear that I don't like Coria much, and it's not because of his tennis game.

Markus is not a fool and Coria should listen to him and he really doesn't have anything to gain by playing TMC on so little preparation. I want to Coria to make a complete recovery and not just turn up and be the shadow of his playing abilities.

I want to see him back playing but close to full fitness, because if he comes back too soon, and then gets injured again, then he will be out for longer time than before.

He will be involved in plenty more TMCs in his career and he should be focusing on getting fit and raring to go in 2005.

coriafan01
10-29-2004, 08:48 AM
They signed a 6 months contract. Guillermo wants someone that's full time with him. That's plus certain things that Markus said before talking to Guille were the reason. He was already saying that...so it is not a surprise. He wants someone full time.

coriafan01
10-29-2004, 08:51 AM
He said he wont go to Houston if he is not ready.

Action Jackson
10-29-2004, 08:53 AM
Coria, you're going to run out of coaches to steal if you keep this shit up.

Come on the South American coach dance is always interesting to see who goes with who.

*Ljubica*
10-29-2004, 10:43 AM
I have made it clear that I don't like Coria much, and it's not because of his tennis game.

Markus is not a fool and Coria should listen to him and he really doesn't have anything to gain by playing TMC on so little preparation. I want to Coria to make a complete recovery and not just turn up and be the shadow of his playing abilities.

I want to see him back playing but close to full fitness, because if he comes back too soon, and then gets injured again, then he will be out for longer time than before.

He will be involved in plenty more TMCs in his career and he should be focusing on getting fit and raring to go in 2005.

As usual I agree with you 100% GWH. No doubt this will initiate another BadRep or 2 from the Coria fans, - but I saw him practice in Madrid and he is totally not ready for any big tournament at the moment - let alone TMC. As for Carito's comments about Markus not understanding Coria's ambitions.......well Markus is a very experienced coach and I know him well enough to know this is not the case at all. I have heard many rumours in Madrid and Basel (where I currently am) that Coria is already experiencing other injuries (minor muscle strains etc) caused by his body over-compensating for the injury as he has come back too quickly. Whilst understanding his desire to play TMC, - as GWH says, he is young and a good enough player to make many more TMCs in his career, where he could represent himself at his best and fittest, and entering this year is total madness, and that is not just my opinion but the opinion of most tennis people I have spoken to over the past 3 weeks whilst following the European Tour . Despite what some may think, I am not saying this simply because I want David to go to Houston and will have more chance if Coria withdraws.........of course I want David to be there - but only on his own merits - not because of someone else's injury.

Zetlandsk
10-29-2004, 11:01 AM
Coria is unfortunately letting his ego take over commonsense, he has his overall career to think of and I want it to be a long career as he is a very skillful player who provides something different to the tour and when he is fit I enjoy watching him play, in spite of what I think of him.

Gaby Markus is a good coach and a very knowledgeable guy and there is very little to gain from Coria playing at this TMC. I mean if he wins a Slam or a TMC later in his career, then there will be no significance of missing this TMC. He has plenty of opportunities for this, but for him to fulfill these, he needs to improve his endurance base, strength and needs to relax a bit more and this time off is good for that and he'll back better in 2005, if he doesn't play this event.

roisin
10-29-2004, 11:28 AM
personally i dont think coria should play masters cup. he wont have played a tournament in 3 months and he wants to come back and play in one of the most intense of the year. hes hardly likely to do well anyway. and shoulder injuries are nasty and if you dont give them time to heal properly they reoccur. i can tell from experience, i rushed back playing football too early after a serious shoulder ligament injury and it still hurts the hell outta me now and the injury happened over a year ago. dont do it coria!

RPH
10-29-2004, 12:46 PM
Guillimero acting like :retard: like usual by the sounds of it :rolleyes:

I don't know about him playing the Masters - it sounds like he's not ready so if he does come back maybe he'll get thrashed in all his matches :devil: or just injure himself for a few more months :devil:

But if he didn't play :D

Marc Rosset is Tall
10-29-2004, 12:54 PM
GWH, Zet and Rosie I agree with everything said. Coria's ego and stubborness are just too much at this moment. Why attempt to play this event when there have been doubts about whether he can complete 3 matches?

He would have no preparation and no point injuring himself any more than he already has.

Roger-No.1
10-29-2004, 02:39 PM
Two players at the same time.... Perhaps that coach was tired and Coria made it easy for him....

I still remember the disappointment in his face when he played only 5-6 games in Toronto... Coach was not happy.

Now Coria wants to start playing... Coach is not happy

It was a bad time to be Coria or Coria's coach.... an injury, surgery, Chela waiting... it's hard to be a team under these circumstances.

Nikki♥
10-29-2004, 02:41 PM
:rolleyes:

Marc Rosset is Tall
10-30-2004, 09:17 AM
Originally he should never have got rid of Mancini in the first place, but Coria still thinks he knows best and it will be very disappointing if he turns up to Houston and then has to withdraw.

Chloe le Bopper
10-30-2004, 07:29 PM
I was under the impression that Mancini didn't want to travel full time and that had to do with the split, but then, I'm working on a poor memory here.

*Ljubica*
10-30-2004, 07:31 PM
I was under the impression that Mancini didn't want to travel full time and that had to do with the split, but then, I'm working on a poor memory here.

That was the official reason yes Rebecca - you`re right. It wasn`t the real reason though :angel:

Chloe le Bopper
10-30-2004, 07:57 PM
Are you planning on going anywhere with that or leaving it at that? I mean this with no offense, but if you're not planning on going anywhere with it there isn't really any point in saying it at all.

*Ljubica*
10-31-2004, 10:31 AM
Are you planning on going anywhere with that or leaving it at that? I mean this with no offense, but if you're not planning on going anywhere with it there isn't really any point in saying it at all.

If you like I will PM you when I get back from Basel/Paris, Rebecca. There are some things I learn on my tournament travels that are best not put here for fear of betraying confidences, but as I trust you, I am more than happy to tell you more privately. I take no offence at all and if you haven`t heard from me by this time next week please email/PM me and remind me :)