Roland Garros R1: [19] Raonic def. Ramirez Hidalgo 6-4 6-2 6-2 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Roland Garros R1: [19] Raonic def. Ramirez Hidalgo 6-4 6-2 6-2

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 05:13 PM
Embarrassment. 45 points down the drain. Ruben blew his chance at 4-3 in the first set where he had a chance to break. After that, it wasn't going to happen. If he took advantage of his opportunity like he should have done, this match could have been significantly different. Very disappointed and sad, really.

156mphserve
05-28-2012, 05:14 PM
RRH is taking Milos out in R1.

almost:hug:

:facepalm:

Milos:yeah:

Easy victory as expected:)

Ravel
05-28-2012, 05:15 PM
Ruben is definitely going to beat Raonic, and straight sets wouldn't surprise me one bit. I would be surprised if Milos wins. Ruben is too crafty and too dogged for someone like Raonic to handle.

:p

good win, already did better than last year :D

asmazif
05-28-2012, 05:15 PM
Didn't go very well from 4-4 for Affleck.

Nole Rules
05-28-2012, 05:16 PM
Filo V. :haha:

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 05:18 PM
Oh well. Unfortunately, the real clay-courter lost, and so did the tournament. Not everything is going to go the way it should. Ruben had and blew his chance, what can you do?

156mphserve
05-28-2012, 05:21 PM
3 more gems

I think so. I think 60-40 RRH. Raonic can't handle someone like Ruben, someone who will get in his face and won't back down and will grind him out, he couldn't handle Montanes, and RRH is in better form than Montanes and gets up for slams.

Ramirez-Hidalgo will beat Raonic.

Ruben is going to whip Raonic's ass so badly. That's so win RRH all over it.

:haha:

LastRocket
05-28-2012, 05:26 PM
Nothing RRH can do when Milos is on fire

orangehat
05-28-2012, 05:27 PM
Filo V. thinks Bolelli is going to beat Nadal, his opinions aren't exactly accurate .... :lol:

Smoke944
05-28-2012, 05:27 PM
wishful thinking aside, NID

AnotherGameFor
05-28-2012, 05:27 PM
Oh well. Unfortunately, the real clay-courter lost, and so did the tournament. Not everything is going to go the way it should. Ruben had and blew his chance, what can you do?

When you get broken 5 times and never break your opponent, it is a little rich to say that one point in the 1st set was the difference. It also defies belief to think that Raonic moving on doesn't make the tournament better...

Anyways, great routine win from Milos who was never broken despite only getting 50% of his first serves in. He will need to improve that if he wants to get round 4 and the potential Nadal match.

romismak
05-28-2012, 05:27 PM
Great, both Milos and John today won against clay-courters in straight sets. Hope Milos will play on court with radar gun for stats- i want to see his fastest serve to be in RG stats.

m9m9m9m9m9
05-28-2012, 05:28 PM
ya, RRH surely "blew his chance" in this one side match which he couldn't even break for once
gotta love FiloV's delusional prediction on his favourite players

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 05:32 PM
The better clay courter lost. So of course, I'm going to believe the real and only clay player between these two will win. Ruben simply failed to deliver.

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 05:33 PM
Filo V. thinks Bolelli is going to beat Nadal, his opinions aren't exactly accurate .... :lol:
I don't, but it would be a great result for the game if he did.

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 05:34 PM
Looks like I got all of Canada mad at me :lol:

MaratandMilos
05-28-2012, 05:36 PM
The better clay courter lost. So of course, I'm going to believe the real and only clay player between these two will win. Ruben simply failed to deliver.
The far better tennis player won as expected. If Milos played well like he did in Barcelona, there was never any good reason to think this would even be a contest and it wasn't.

IsDonsIsGood
05-28-2012, 05:37 PM
The better clay courter lost. So of course, I'm going to believe the real and only clay player between these two will win. Ruben simply failed to deliver.

Why must you be so fucking annoying? Go write a blog or something. No one on here cares about your delusional fantasies.

out_here_grindin
05-28-2012, 05:38 PM
The better clay courter lost. So of course, I'm going to believe the real and only clay player between these two will win. Ruben simply failed to deliver.

Better clay courter relative to how the rest of his game is. He plays the "clay way". But being the better clay courter does not automatically make him better on clay.

Gusztav
05-28-2012, 05:38 PM
The better player won, on to the next round. :yeah:

Mark Lenders
05-28-2012, 05:39 PM
What's all the fuss about? The infinitely better player won, nothing to see here. The real story would have been if the match had been in any way close, given the gulf between both players.

There were people actually expecting Ruben to win? Do those people even watch tennis matches? It doesn't get any more expected than this; with all due respect to the Spaniard, Milos's serve alone is worth more than his entire game.

156mphserve
05-28-2012, 05:40 PM
Looks like I got all of Canada mad at me :lol:

not mad, just laughing at how delusional you can be when players you like are involved:lol:

Coolio_Jack
05-28-2012, 05:43 PM
The better clay courter lost. So of course, I'm going to believe the real and only clay player between these two will win. Ruben simply failed to deliver.

If you're saying R. Hidalgo is a better player on clay then Raonic, you have outdone yourself again.

Snowwy
05-28-2012, 05:47 PM
The better clay courter lost. So of course, I'm going to believe the real and only clay player between these two will win. Ruben simply failed to deliver.

Not true, how many seasons in RRH's career has he had a positive record on AP level clay? Just ATP level, because when I look I see zero times for RRH and twice in two years for Milos.

MariaV
05-28-2012, 05:52 PM
Looks like I got all of Canada mad at me :lol:

Naaah, not just Canada! ;)

Well done Milos! :bounce: :bigclap: :cool: :dance:

timafi
05-28-2012, 06:04 PM
NID :shrug:

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 06:09 PM
Not true, how many seasons in RRH's career has he had a positive record on AP level clay? Just ATP level, because when I look I see zero times for RRH and twice in two years for Milos.Ruben's results this season speak for itself.

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 06:11 PM
not mad, just laughing at how delusional you can be when players you like are involved:lol:

Ruben has beaten better players than Raonic on clay in the past.

Snowwy
05-28-2012, 06:11 PM
Ruben's results this season speak for itself.

What does that even mean?

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 06:13 PM
Better clay courter relative to how the rest of his game is. He plays the "clay way". But being the better clay courter does not automatically make him better on clay.

That's a good point, but this is still a horrible result. Raonic is being overrated here. I don't consider Raonic to be considerably better on clay than RRH, he's just a better player overall with weapons that can dominate Ruben. But in terms of clay players, no. On clay, this was an extremely winnable match for the Spaniard. I'm very disappointed.

misty1
05-28-2012, 06:14 PM
What does that even mean?

at this stage its probably best to let this one go.

good win for milos.

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 06:14 PM
What does that even mean?Ruben is having a great year and should have been in good form for this match, making this a good opportunity for him.

Snowwy
05-28-2012, 06:15 PM
Ruben is having a great year and should have been in good form for this match, making this a good opportunity for him.

Ruben beat Murray on clay? Nalbandian? Almagro?

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 06:15 PM
All you Raonic fanboys can continue to stan but the reality is, it's a bad loss for Ruben. Now we move on, and he moves on.

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 06:17 PM
Ruben beat Murray on clay? Nalbandian? Almagro?

IDK. Check his career results for the answer. What I do know is Ruben has a longer pattern of playing well on clay in his career than Raonic, and has the craftiness and experience that theoretically should have caused Raonic problems.

LastRocket
05-28-2012, 06:18 PM
Stats says it all

http://i50.tinypic.com/290u748.png

IsDonsIsGood
05-28-2012, 06:18 PM
All you Raonic fanboys can continue to stan but the reality is, it's a bad loss for Ruben. Now we move on, and he moves on.

How can someone that watches so much tennis know so little? One of life's great mysteries.

Coolio_Jack
05-28-2012, 06:19 PM
IDK. Check his career results for the answer. What I do know is Ruben has a longer pattern of playing well on clay in his career than Raonic, and has the craftiness and experience that theoretically should have caused Raonic problems.

Same as theoretically Bolleli should cause problems to Nadal, but will unfortunately fail to deliver.

156mphserve
05-28-2012, 06:19 PM
Ruben beat Murray on clay? Nalbandian? Almagro?

please, stop listing these nobodies. RRH has beaten the likes of Granollers, Chardy and Lorenzi, clearly that makes him the favorite here now gtfo:p

Ravel
05-28-2012, 06:25 PM
IDK. Check his career results for the answer. What I do know is Ruben has a longer pattern of playing well on clay in his career than Raonic, and has the craftiness and experience that theoretically should have caused Raonic problems.

:lol: You do know that this is Raonic's second year playing on clay? He's barely even played on it before last year's clay season. You certainly can't accurately compare their clay court history.

Although if you are, Raonic has better scalps during the two years he's actually played on clay

KoOlMaNsEaN
05-28-2012, 06:30 PM
:yeah: Good efficient 1st round win is all it is and all it ever should be :)

Gonzil
05-28-2012, 06:33 PM
To be fair to Filo, RRH has played all year solely on clay so that makes him a clay specialist. And he has won 2 challengers, beating a player ranked as high as 27 (!) along the way to one title. So you can see why he would enter this contest figuring he was the clear favourite and the match was on his racquet. :)

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 06:37 PM
:lol: You do know that this is Raonic's second year playing on clay? He's barely even played on it before last year's clay season. You certainly can't accurately compare their clay court history.This to me makes it an even worse loss. That Ruben's experience and Milos' lack of it meant nothing.

Singularity
05-28-2012, 06:55 PM
This to me makes it an even worse loss. That Ruben's experience and Milos' lack of it meant nothing.
It's a worse loss to you, because you want to think that by reading into Raonic's past clay results, you can exactly determine his level. The lesson is that past results often aren't a good indicator of a players' potential, especially when that player is starting out.

Lopez
05-28-2012, 07:31 PM
flyboy being delusional and whining again :rolleyes:.

No way was RRH the favorite here and the tournament would have lost big time if Raonic had lost. A potential Pico Monaco vs Milos Raonic encounter in the third round is great.

Filo V.
05-28-2012, 07:41 PM
It's a worse loss to you, because you want to think that by reading into Raonic's past clay results, you can exactly determine his level. The lesson is that past results often aren't a good indicator of a players' potential, especially when that player is starting out.That's a good way of putting it. So in actuality, this result just highlights how good Milos is becoming as a player, and how he's become(ing) a very high standard claycourter. I agree with that. In any case, it is good to see Milos continue to develop and progress as a player. And a win like this definitely highlights how much he's improved this clay season given he lost to Montanes, a similar player, in Monte Carlo.

Looner
05-28-2012, 07:41 PM
Whoa, Filo V.'s curse strikes again. Can you please say RN will win the title to cement Reed's prediction?

samanosuke
05-28-2012, 07:42 PM
if somebody gets banned for trolling first than flyboy mtf should be closed

Fireballer
05-28-2012, 07:45 PM
Ruben has beaten better players than Raonic on clay in the past.

nobody cares Raonic owned him today badly

Orange Wombat
05-28-2012, 07:48 PM
Rben Ramirez Hidalgo is not a very likable player

Time Violation
05-28-2012, 07:49 PM
Oh well. Unfortunately, the real clay-courter lost

You sound like Verdasco now :p

Ashlar77
05-28-2012, 10:27 PM
Well done Milos :yeah:

Chase Visa
05-28-2012, 10:44 PM
IDK. Check his career results for the answer. What I do know is Ruben has a longer pattern of playing well on clay in his career than Raonic, and has the craftiness and experience that theoretically should have caused Raonic problems.

That says a lot...

Good win Milos.

JeffCandoi
05-28-2012, 11:51 PM
could be differente if RRH was 20 and MR over 33

Topspindoctor
05-29-2012, 12:15 AM
Great to see the future #1 taking out the trash.

J99
05-29-2012, 03:51 AM
I somewhat agree with what Filo says about the 1st, Milos was serving poorly, Ruben could have taken it, but wasn't able to take advantage when he should.

Arkulari
05-29-2012, 03:57 AM
Francis, you're jinxing every player out there :lol:

But this result was actually surprising because RRH is a decent claycourter and Raonic's groundgame isn't good enough to challenge the top. I guess anyone can have a bad day at the office.

J99
05-29-2012, 04:05 AM
Francis, you're jinxing every player out there :lol:

But this result was actually surprising because RRH is a decent claycourter and Raonic's groundgame isn't good enough to challenge the top. I guess anyone can have a bad day at the office.

:haha: Yeah, he only has wins over Tipsarevic, Almagro and Murray this season, your right, his groundies aren't good enough to challenge them.

Arkulari
05-29-2012, 04:14 AM
:haha: Yeah, he only has wins over Tipsarevic, Almagro and Murray this season, your right, his groundies aren't good enough to challenge them.

With top I mean Nadal, Djokovic and Federer, can you honestly imagine Raonic challenging them outside of Cincy or indoor courts right now? And that's only if he has a really really good serving day, a-la Karlovic in Cincy vs Federer.

And come on, Almagro and Tipsy are like the token people to beat in the top 15, Murray has had very bad losses in the last couple of seasons so...

J99
05-29-2012, 04:20 AM
With top I mean Nadal, Djokovic and Federer, can you honestly imagine Raonic challenging them outside of Cincy or indoor courts right now? And that's only if he has a really really good serving day, a-la Karlovic in Cincy vs Federer.

And come on, Almagro and Tipsy are like the token people to beat in the top 15, Murray has had very bad losses in the last couple of seasons so...

Beating Almagro on clay is somewhat impressive.

Did you miss his last 2 matches with Federer, Fed was very challenged indeed, especially the last one, Milos almost had it.

MIMIC
05-29-2012, 04:27 AM
Interesting OP :cool:

Arkulari
05-29-2012, 04:27 AM
Beating Almagro on clay is somewhat impressive.

Did you miss his last 2 matches with Federer, Fed was very challenged indeed, especially the last one, Milos almost had it.

Roger has also been challenged a lot by Karlovic, beaten by him once. The point with guys like him and Raonic is that you know you will only have 1 or 2 opportunities to break them in a match, you have to take those and make the TBs count. :shrug:

Can you honestly tell me Raonic can challenge any of the top 3 on red clay? or in bo5 at the AO for example?

Ad Wim
05-29-2012, 07:32 AM
Embarrassment. 45 points down the drain. Ruben blew his chance at 4-3 in the first set where he had a chance to break. After that, it wasn't going to happen. If he took advantage of his opportunity like he should have done, this match could have been significantly different. Very disappointed and sad, really.

A player lost 4, 2 and 2 and flyboy makes it look like it was a close match and it had been a totally different match if he took that single bp he got. Classic.

r3d_d3v1l_
05-29-2012, 07:35 AM
Francis, you're jinxing every player out there :lol:

But this result was actually surprising because RRH is a decent claycourter and Raonic's groundgame isn't good enough to challenge the top. I guess anyone can have a bad day at the office.

That doesn´t make any sense. Raonic doesn´t need to challenge the top in order to defeat a challenger player like Ramirez Hidalgo.

He has a good clay ability.

And the fact that Raonic broke RRH´s serve 5 times just shows that he was outplayed by a mile.

Arkulari
05-29-2012, 07:53 AM
That doesn´t make any sense. Raonic doesn´t need to challenge the top in order to defeat a challenger player like Ramirez Hidalgo.

He has a good clay ability.

And the fact that Raonic broke RRH´s serve 5 times just shows that he was outplayed by a mile.

Raonic is a decent player and will beat the likes of RRH in any surface, but I'd give Rubén a chance on clay because he has more expertise in the surface, his serve was very bad during the entire match, Milos returned well and won.

That doesn't mean the Canadian is a good claycourter or that he's going to be top 4 (because frankly pretty much everyone in the top 30 can make it to top 10 these days), he's still has a LOT to improve in his ground game and fitness to challenge for what people want him to do.

J99
05-29-2012, 07:57 AM
Raonic is a decent player and will beat the likes of RRH in any surface, but I'd give Rubén a chance on clay because he has more expertise in the surface, his serve was very bad during the entire match, Milos returned well and won.

That doesn't mean the Canadian is a good claycourter or that he's going to be top 4 (because frankly pretty much everyone in the top 30 can make it to top 10 these days), he's still has a LOT to improve in his ground game and fitness to challenge for what people want him to do.

:haha: Um no.

n8
05-29-2012, 08:07 AM
:hatoff: for a very good (Challenger) clay season for RRH. 34 year old with direct entry in Roland Garros is an achievement within itself.