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Rome R3: Gasquet d. Murray 6-7, 6-3, 6-2

Mongoose
05-17-2012, 04:20 PM
too many shadows for Muzz

tennishero
05-17-2012, 04:20 PM
:haha: Vamos

Johnny Groove
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
Good win to shut up the Murray fan commentators.

Chirag
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
:superlol:

Drugs Ruin Lives
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
Good for tennis.

http://i43.tinypic.com/f56lw6.jpg

Slamless Pusher.

Orka_n
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
Those shitty shadows I tell ya.

;) Great win Richie. Murray was awful

habibko
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
Richie :worship: that was beautiful

Muzz was useless

Moozza
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
That was absolutely awful.

Sean.
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
:facepalm: Started well, but the rest was painful.

castle007
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
He took out Federer last year, and Murray this year. (Although Murray's clay court game isn't even close to Federer's)

Great job. Murray's attitude was awful.

30/37 at the net?? nice

SheepleBuster
05-17-2012, 04:22 PM
Oh boy. Murray now sucks like Ivan

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 04:22 PM
Dedicate to Grassquet... Oh wait...

Nah seriously Murray was utterly crap and Gasquet was actually somewhat good in parts.

Congrats to Gasquet fans, and your man better beat that Spanish mug tomorrow.

TigerTim
05-17-2012, 04:22 PM
Awful clay season for Murray: w4 L3

Jamoz
05-17-2012, 04:22 PM
Murray :facepalm::superlol:

Fireballer
05-17-2012, 04:23 PM
Murray was bad.If Murray played great he would have won.Gasquet has no chances against Muray when he plays well.This is just a blip he will be back at RG-Sapeod

Voo de Mar
05-17-2012, 04:23 PM
Almost a copy of Murray's loss to Berdych at Monte Carlo.

shadows
05-17-2012, 04:23 PM
Those shitty shadows I tell ya.


Sorry =(

====

Murray not happy to be playing on this oompa loompa clay, it's slowing down his greatness >_>

He'll be lucky to make it out of week 1 at RG, Slam Pony is coming for that #4 ranking too.

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 04:23 PM
Gasquet was.....
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j464/fashnuguess/random%20gifs2/6t1rie.gif

Murray was just.....
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j464/fashnuguess/random%20gifs2/mmmyeah.gif

Moozza
05-17-2012, 04:23 PM
so many errors from Andy, but the worst thing of all was he made gasquet look like a mental giant on the big points.

2/17 break points won.

piksi
05-17-2012, 04:24 PM
It was a Rogaine memorial classic match where ATP beat WTA again. 2/17 ob BP = spider balls

samanosuke
05-17-2012, 04:24 PM
clay courts exploit murray's limitations in full light. his backhand is hugely overrated, he can't be aggressive with it and his forehand is more or less useless, can't hit basic shots with it . and with all that he doesn't know what to do on clay court

scarecrows
05-17-2012, 04:24 PM
smart of murray to skip Madrid and prepare well for RG here

espana
05-17-2012, 04:24 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jxXCnX1NYCo/T7UmDNW7erI/AAAAAAAAAVk/8D4IEpmZlN0/s1600/Gasquet-AMurray.jpg

zlaja777
05-17-2012, 04:24 PM
Good win Richie.

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 04:24 PM
Almost a copy of Murray's loss to Berdych at Monte Carlo.
Was thinking the exact same thing.

Didn't play that well in the first set here or in Monte-Carlo against Berdych but regardless of how he played his quality in the last 2 sets in both matches was far inferior of the way he played the first set.

Voo de Mar
05-17-2012, 04:25 PM
Awful clay season for Murray: w4 L3

Expected, I said before the clay-court season that he wouldn't win as many matches as last year... I though that because:

- last year was fresh after losing quickly in Indian Wells-Miami combo
- had very favorable draws in all four tournaments on clay

martyn
05-17-2012, 04:25 PM
Congrats to Gasquet, big win.

Murray lets to many sets go having won a tight previous set. Poor attitude and inexplicable UE's. Wouldn't press the panic button yet unless this type of form continues into the summer.

tealeaves
05-17-2012, 04:25 PM
Yass.

mark73
05-17-2012, 04:25 PM
Predicted Sapeod reaction:

Murray only lost because he played awful. When Murray plays his best he can beat anyone.

Well Sapeod, even if that was true, Murray never plays his best when it matters most and is now a distant 4th in the rankings

LastRocket
05-17-2012, 04:25 PM
Richard :bowdown:
Hooliganray will always be a nobody on clay.
King of pushers will be out of the top4 by years end.

timafi
05-17-2012, 04:25 PM
"big 4" on clay my ass! Just because you have 1 good year on clay doesn't make you great.Murray has yet to make a finals at a tournament on clay much less a MS and can't win them unlike the real top 3 :rolleyes:

hey Andy,next year head to Portugal or even Serbia and try winning a small tournament:wavey:

tripwires
05-17-2012, 04:26 PM
Watched the last few games. Good stuff from Gasquet.

Fireballer
05-17-2012, 04:26 PM
2-17 BP.....only area where Murray is better than Fed

paseo
05-17-2012, 04:26 PM
What a mug, this Murray.

Clown.

Daaaaaaaaaamn!!!!11

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 04:26 PM
Take down Ferrer now, GOATsquet :rocker2:

motorhead
05-17-2012, 04:27 PM
:worship:

tektonac
05-17-2012, 04:27 PM
murray relied on the chuck norris thread too much.

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 04:27 PM
Really happy today.
I can't believe he managed to win from 1 set down. With such an awesome tennis.
A win over that Scot idiot is always a special one.

Dedicated to Corey Failman,Certinfy and Sapeod as well.
Now let's enjoy the daily bashers of Gasquet praising him. Bunch of clowns.

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 04:28 PM
Predicted Sapeod reaction:

Murray only lost because he played awful. When Murray plays his best he can beat anyone.

Well Sapeod, even if that was true, Murray never plays his best when it matters most and is now a distant 4th in the rankings

I know right:superlol: :superlol: :superlol:

Lets get ready for a whole story of why Murray wasnt so great today:rolleyes:

BroTree123
05-17-2012, 04:28 PM
Come on, if Bellucci can beat Ferrer, so can sober Gasquet :rocker2:

philosophicalarf
05-17-2012, 04:28 PM
Murray actually looked good for the first few games. Pile of winners ........ but all those bps missed took their toll mentally it seems.

Was strong in the tiebreak, but that must have been the last of the mental energy, had a massive adrenaline letdown in the second set, and then fell apart with a ton of errors (49 in the match).

scoobs
05-17-2012, 04:29 PM
Really shitty match from Andy - shitty attitude, shitty tactics (what I could find of them), it was a long, drawn-out angst-ridden emo-mess. I'm glad it's over and Richie deserved to win. I don't care if Murray was bothered by the wind, or the shadows, or the photographers, or his finger, or his back, or the sun, or an annoying itch on his shoulder blades, or whatever 3,000 things were pissing him off today. Get over it already. Sick of seeing it.

Richie handled the conditions and the tempo of a clay match better, deserved to win.

Murray goes in to RG looking undercooked and umimpressive after a lacklustre clay season.

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 04:29 PM
Really happy today.
I can't believe he managed to win from 1 set down. With such an awesome tennis.
A win over that Scot idiot is always a special one.

Dedicated to Corey Failman,Certinfy and Sapeod as well.
Now let's enjoy the daily bashers of Gasquet praising him. Bunch of clowns.

I dont think Certinfy is a murraytard, that will be weird:unsure:

sexybeast
05-17-2012, 04:29 PM
Ferrer is more in the big 4 on clay than Murray, this year you have to include Berdych aswell among the clay elite.

Soderling ofcourse when he was healthy was ahead of Murray aswell.

martyn
05-17-2012, 04:30 PM
Really happy today.
I can't believe he managed to win from 1 set down. With such an awesome tennis.
A win over that Scot idiot is always a special one.

Dedicated to Corey Failman,Certinfy and Sapeod as well.
Now let's enjoy the daily bashers of Gasquet praising him. Bunch of clowns.

Look, this is a great win for Gasquet and he played well.

Having said that, you should be the first to admit that the guy has nowhere near lived up to his talent level. This is why he has his detractors or 'bashers', they know what he is capable of.

iriraz
05-17-2012, 04:30 PM
Gasquet was average,nothing special.Murray was even worse,way to many errors.Certainly he isn`t going with a lot of confidence into the French.

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 04:30 PM
Come on, if Bellucci can beat Ferrer, so can sober Gasquet :rocker2:

The problem is like Caro anyone can beat those two:haha: :haha: :haha:

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 04:31 PM
Come on, if Bellucci can beat Ferrer, so can sober Gasquet :rocker2:
http://i46.tinypic.com/107ut6o.jpg

:facepalm:

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 04:31 PM
I dont think Certinfy is a murraytard, that will be weird:unsure:

He is a Gasquet hater.

BroTree123
05-17-2012, 04:31 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/107ut6o.jpg

:facepalm:

Toronto, look at that him handing Ferrer pretzels :rocker2:

mark73
05-17-2012, 04:32 PM
Ferrer is more in the big 4 on clay than Murray, this year you have to include Berdych aswell among the clay elite.

Soderling ofcourse when he was healthy was ahead of Murray aswell.

Soderking was amazing. Rafatards still claiming that Nadal lost because he was injured.

J99
05-17-2012, 04:32 PM
Murray was an error machine today, Gasquet was maybe barely passable, Murray just shot himself in the ass way too many times. :facepalm:

silverwhite
05-17-2012, 04:33 PM
Good win :cool:

LMFAO at those who think he has a shot against Ferrer though :lol:

Schu
05-17-2012, 04:34 PM
YES!!! Murray was very weak, both mentally and physically but Gasquet played some very good tennis at times (ie. point to set up match point :hearts:) and most impressive was how he came back strong after an awful tiebreak. And just how many break points did Gasquet save - the "mental midget" was MIA today.

Good job Richie :worship:

Ferrer will probably demolish him tomorrow but today was SWEET!!!

Orka_n
05-17-2012, 04:35 PM
I dont think Certinfy is a murraytard, that will be weird:unsure:What? He is though. :scratch:

Fumus
05-17-2012, 04:35 PM
Murray sucks.

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 04:36 PM
I dont think Certinfy is a murraytard, that will be weird:unsure:No where near a tard, but I support him. He's like my least favourite of my top 6 guys I follow (Tomas, Jo, Gael, Robin, Juan, Andy) :)

He is a Gasquet hater.
This. Tomorrow I'll be a fan though, anyone that beats Ferrer deserves respect so I'm hoping he does.

cutesteve22
05-17-2012, 04:36 PM
Mugray:lol: the break point conversion was just awful. He would soon drop out of top 10 if he keeps playing like this:angel:
great fight for Richard, good luck in QF!! :bigclap:

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 04:36 PM
Left the match at *3-5 15-0. Wise decision. Won a few quid though when Gasquet's odds drifted to 3/1.

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 04:37 PM
I think it was his biggest mental win. So many break points saved. Never choked. Proud of him even if he was not GOATsquet today.

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 04:37 PM
No where near a tard, but I support him. He's like my least favourite of my top 6 guys I follow (Tomas, Jo, Gael, Robin, Juan, Andy) :)


This. Tomorrow I'll be a fan though, anyone that beats Ferrer deserves respect so I'm hoping he does.

Ok well its ok, i was just wandering thats all:hug:

scoobs
05-17-2012, 04:38 PM
I think it was his biggest mental win. So many break points saved. Never choked. Proud of him even if he was not GOATsquet today.
Frankly, Gasquet could do with a few more wins where he grinds it out not playing great and not worrying about being GOATsquet.

Moozza
05-17-2012, 04:38 PM
Gasquet was average,nothing special.Murray was even worse,way to many errors.Certainly he isn`t going with a lot of confidence into the French.

Exactly, all Gasquet had to do today was get the ball back into play and soon enough Murray would make some simple error. He done nothing special.

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 04:39 PM
The first eight games were Murray's best stuff on clay for a while so he must have had a mahoooooosive meltdown.

Moozza
05-17-2012, 04:41 PM
The first eight games were Murray's best stuff on clay for a while so he must have had a mahoooooosive meltdown.

I think he let his BP conversion get to him.

Fumus
05-17-2012, 04:42 PM
The first eight games were Murray's best stuff on clay for a while so he must have had a mahoooooosive meltdown.

It's a Murray match, if he didn't meltdown he'd win everything. :D

habibko
05-17-2012, 04:42 PM
Tomorrow I'll be a fan though

win or lose, the shitface in your avatar will never be half as popular and loved as Ferru, give up :hug:

philosophicalarf
05-17-2012, 04:43 PM
The first eight games were Murray's best stuff on clay for a while so he must have had a mahoooooosive meltdown.

A little like the Nalbandian match, 8ish game of top notch stuff, then went awol.

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 04:43 PM
win or lose, the shitface in your avatar will never be half as popular and loved as Ferru, give up :hug:
Tomas, his Wimbledon runner up plate and Paris trophy don't give a shit. :wavey:

Corey Feldman
05-17-2012, 04:45 PM
ridiculous to make them play with that shadow on the court

Fumus
05-17-2012, 04:46 PM
Tomas, his Wimbledon runner up plate and Paris trophy don't give a shit. :wavey:

...and future US OPEN trophy. NID.

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 04:48 PM
win or lose, the shitface in your avatar will never be half as popular and loved as Ferru, give up :hug:

Not true. If Tomas starts pulling his pants down every time he faces Federer like Ferrer does, he will quickly become one of the favorites around here.

But I guess it's probably too late to be as loved as Ferrer, since Tomas has already beaten Fed in a big match at Wimbledon (winning as many sets in that match as Ferrer in 13 matches).

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 04:48 PM
Dunno why Murray doesn't give tournaments like Estoril or Munich a go, or Bucharest. Winnable clay tournaments. He'll never win a clay TMS so why not have a go at those ones?

iriraz
05-17-2012, 04:51 PM
Dunno why Murray doesn't give tournaments like Estoril or Munich a go, or Bucharest. Winnable clay tournaments. He'll never win a clay TMS so why not have a go at those ones?

Obviously he has to play the Masters Events but instead of Barcelona which is the toughest 500 clay event he surely could have picked any 250 event like Estoril to get matches under his belt.Even Federer played there a couple years ago.

Fumus
05-17-2012, 04:51 PM
Dunno why Murray doesn't give tournaments like Estoril or Munich a go, or Bucharest. Winnable clay tournaments. He'll never win a clay TMS so why not have a go at those ones?

Didn't we have this discussion already?

We did.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=200009

Also, the answer is no.

BroTree123
05-17-2012, 04:51 PM
Dunno why Murray doesn't give tournaments like Estoril or Munich a go, or Bucharest. Winnable clay tournaments. He'll never win a clay TMS so why not have a go at those ones?

The real question is: Kim Sears or unmemorable 250 tournaments?

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 04:52 PM
Didn't we have this discussion already?

We did.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=200009

Also, the answer is no.

Now now, smartarse.

habibko
05-17-2012, 04:52 PM
Not true. If Tomas starts pulling his pants down every time he faces Federer like Ferrer does, he will quickly become one of the favorites around here.

But I guess it's probably too late to be as loved as Ferrer, since Tomas has already beaten Fed in a big match at Wimbledon (winning as many sets in that match as Ferrer in 13 matches).

it's Roger Federer's world, deal with it

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 04:55 PM
it's Roger Federer's world, deal with it

Wow, thought you were going to come up with some bullshit reasons why Ferrer is more loved than Tomas, but no.

I admire your honesty :D

Fumus
05-17-2012, 05:02 PM
Now now, smartarse.

Smartarse? What...you posted in that thread. I thought we left that discussion behind us.

But I was right, it's the fanboy in you wanting to see Murray winning a title on the dirt to prove his clay greatness. He's not good on dirt but he's one of the best players on the tour, move on.

Chris Kuerten
05-17-2012, 05:05 PM
Too bad my ''Will Murray make the SF?'' thread got deleted.

Good for the game.

gulzhan
05-17-2012, 05:10 PM
Richard :woohoo:

Dedicated to SW :p

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 05:14 PM
Smartarse? What...you posted in that thread. I thought we left that discussion behind us.

But I was right, it's the fanboy in you wanting to see Murray winning a title on the dirt to prove his clay greatness. He's not good on dirt but he's one of the best players on the tour, move on.

Yeah I'm a fanboy... behave.

out_grinder
05-17-2012, 05:16 PM
Murray is in serious decline. His downwards spiral will parallel Wozniacki's. No-longer seen as a threat to anyone who can hit reasonably big.

He turned 25 pretty recently too, that signals further decline.

Should retire.

scoobs
05-17-2012, 05:16 PM
Murray is in serious decline.

He turned 25 pretty recently too, that signals further decline.

Should retire.
First of many such ridiculous calls in the coming next few years. :rolleyes:

Hian-GOAT
05-17-2012, 05:16 PM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/Bigsteve87/Gifs/ByeBitch.gif

HelenShivers
05-17-2012, 05:17 PM
ASSQUET :cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader:

tangerine_dream
05-17-2012, 05:19 PM
Win or lose, Andy, Jesus still loves you. :hug:

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 05:22 PM
ASSQUET :cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader:

:aplot:

MuzzahLovah
05-17-2012, 05:22 PM
I stopped watching the first set after Murray had3 bps each game against Richie and still had to go to a tie break.


Good for Richie, but Murray's had an awful claycourt season.

emotion
05-17-2012, 05:24 PM
Berdych and Ferrer are closing in on #4 :o Murray down to #6 year to date, with Ferrer's lead increasing and Berdy now in #5

In fact, if del Potro beats Tsonga, Murray will be #7

Ferrer should make semis here, finals even if Nadal gets beat by Berdych

Fumus
05-17-2012, 05:25 PM
Yeah I'm a fanboy... behave.

I understand completely. ;)

Hian-GOAT
05-17-2012, 05:26 PM
Berdych and Ferrer are closing in on #4 :o Murray down to #6 year to date, with Ferrer's lead increasing and Berdy now in #5

In fact, if del Potro beats Tsonga, Murray will be #7

And this is how it should be.
Murray has no business staying in The Top 4: he is just a mediocre pusher, Thomas and Ferru are way better.

star
05-17-2012, 05:27 PM
I am so disappointed in Murray. I dont’ care for him personally, but I do like his game and especially his movement on the court. I guess his fans can take solace in the fact that clay is his worst surface, but really he hasn’t done so well on hard surfaces either this year. Maybe his back is really an issue we don’t fully know about yet. It’s really too bad

LastRocket
05-17-2012, 05:28 PM
Berdych and Ferrer are closing in on #4 :o Murray down to #6 year to date, with Ferrer's lead increasing and Berdy now in #5

In fact, if del Potro beats Tsonga, Murray will be #7

Ferrer should make semis here, finals even if Nadal gets beat by Berdych

Good for the game. This Pusher is done

Moozza
05-17-2012, 05:28 PM
And this is how it should be.
Murray has no business staying in The Top 4: he is just a mediocre pusher, Thomas and Ferru are way better.

Well he will be in the top 4 for a while yet, best get used to it.

Vida
05-17-2012, 05:29 PM
seems I was correct in predicting that murray will suck monkey balls on clay this year. not over yet though.

syc23
05-17-2012, 05:31 PM
I am so disappointed in Murray. I dontí care for him personally, but I do like his game and especially his movement on the court. I guess his fans can take solace in the fact that clay is his worst surface, but really he hasnít done so well on hard surfaces either this year. Maybe his back is really an issue we donít fully know about yet. Itís really too bad

Apart from a blip in IW. Can't say a SF in AO, Final of Dubai and Miami being that bad.

Murray is never going to be doing any winning of trophies on the red dirt (or blue) anyway.

TennisOnWood
05-17-2012, 05:32 PM
Well he will be in the top 4 for a while yet, best get used to it.

With clueless game like this.. don't be so sure

shadows
05-17-2012, 05:33 PM
Well he will be in the top 4 for a while yet, best get used to it.

http://entertainment.tennistalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/JMDPquiz.jpg

Moozza
05-17-2012, 05:33 PM
Apart from a blip in IW. Can't say a SF in AO, Final of Dubai and Miami being that bad.

Murray is never going to be doing any winning of trophies on the red dirt (or blue) anyway.

Exactly, any talk of him slipping down the rankings because he is not winning on clay is ridiculous. He has never been great on clay, nothing new here.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:34 PM
When Murray plays badly on clay this is what happens. Not terribly surprising giving how badly he played in those last two sets. He'll be back to business when we hit the grass/hardcourt part of the year.

Moozza
05-17-2012, 05:36 PM
http://entertainment.tennistalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/JMDPquiz.jpg

He is only 4.5 thousand points behind, so close!

Potro is so overrated, he will, more often than not, get routined by guys in the top 10.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:36 PM
http://entertainment.tennistalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/JMDPquiz.jpg
Del Potro has had plenty of time to get back to where he was. His injury is far in the past and he has yet to do anything. He's lost to Federer four times this year. Four times! He has a 7-27 record against the top 4 too and it's not getting any better. He has to beat some of the top 4 first :wavey:

emotion
05-17-2012, 05:36 PM
http://entertainment.tennistalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/JMDPquiz.jpg

A lot of this may be hope, but i don't think he'll be the replacement (or at least not the 1st one) in top 4
Ferrer, Berdych, even maybe Tsonga more likely IMO

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 05:36 PM
suck it Sapeod

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:37 PM
Berdych and Ferrer are closing in on #4 :o Murray down to #6 year to date, with Ferrer's lead increasing and Berdy now in #5

In fact, if del Potro beats Tsonga, Murray will be #7

Ferrer should make semis here, finals even if Nadal gets beat by Berdych
That's the race. He was far behind in the 2010 race too, but got back up after Wimbledon. The same will happen this year. Murray is almost 3000 points ahead of Ferrer. Ferrer's not catching up any time soon.

Hian-GOAT
05-17-2012, 05:38 PM
He is only 4.5 thousand points behind, so close!

Potro is so overrated, he will, more often than not, get routined by guys in the top 10.

Call me when Mugray will win a Slam.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:38 PM
suck it Sapeod
What a witty remark.

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 05:38 PM
I thought we were gonna here an essay story about Murray:awww: :sobbing:

emotion
05-17-2012, 05:39 PM
That's the race. He was far behind in the 2010 race too, but got back up after Wimbledon. The same will happen this year. Murray is almost 3000 points ahead of Ferrer. Ferrer's not catching up any time soon.

Ferrer missed the American HC season last year and failed to make the QFs of RG, while Murray made a semi. Those points aren't too reliable to look at. And Berdych can seriously play on grass.

Moozza
05-17-2012, 05:42 PM
Call me when Mugray will win a Slam.

Whats that got to do with anything?

This is about rankings and any talk of Murray falling out of top 4 is wishfull thinking. Either that or people are forgetting that clay is only a small part of the year.

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 05:42 PM
A lot of this may be hope, but i don't think he'll be the replacement (or at least not the 1st one) in top 4
Ferrer, Berdych, even maybe Tsonga more likely IMO

Yup, it is wishful thinking (perhaps apart from Berdych). Expecting Tsonga to break into the top 4 is even beyond wishful thinking. I love Jo, but Tsonga and consistency just don't go together.

He could easily crush Federer or Djokovic one day and then spray 100+ unforced errors against Nishikori or some other lesser player the following day.

Del Potro was #4 when he left us and that's where he's slowly headed to now as well - he's the youngest player in the top 10 and the one with the most upside.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:42 PM
Ferrer missed the American HC season last year and failed to make the QFs of RG, while Murray made a semi. Those points aren't too reliable to look at. And Berdych can seriously play on grass.
So? He's better than either of them on hardcourt and as usual he'll gain his form on that surface. It's happened every time he's played badly on clay. He either starts to play well in a latter clay tournament or he starts playing his usual level when he reaches the grass courts of Britain.

The same will happen this year. Not much Berdych and Ferrer can do if he's going further than they are in hardcourt tournaments constantly.

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 05:43 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jxXCnX1NYCo/T7UmDNW7erI/AAAAAAAAAVk/8D4IEpmZlN0/s1600/Gasquet-AMurray.jpg

6/16? :eek:

2/17? :spit: :lol:

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 05:45 PM
Murray will probably finish the year #4, if only because Del Potro and Berdych will be drawn vs top 3 players one round earlier than Murray.

Only a complete collapse on Murray's part could take him off #4 this year, I think. Even if Delpo/Tomas play better than Murray all year it won't be enough to overtake him in the rankings.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:45 PM
6/16? :eek:

2/17? :spit: :lol:
The wind conditions probably made play quite difficult and we all know how Murray is in windy conditions (Indian Wells final against Nadal a couple of years ago), let alone in windy conditions on clay.

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 05:46 PM
I'm actually interested to see this Berdych (well the Berdych of the last month or so) from RG until the US Open. All he's really defending is a Canada QF and Cincy SF, a good run in even one GS would more than cover all those points, so it's a big opportunity for him to get up the ranking.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:46 PM
Murray will probably finish the year #4, if only because Del Potro and Berdych will be drawn vs top 3 players one round earlier than Murray.

Only a complete collapse on Murray's part could take him off #4 this year, I think. Even if Delpo/Tomas play better than Murray all year it won't be enough to overtake him in the rankings.
Obviously his ranking helps a lot but he's just better than them on grass and hardcourt :shrug:

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 05:46 PM
excuse, excuse.... He was squashed fair and square.

LastRocket
05-17-2012, 05:47 PM
Murray will probably finish the year #4, if only because Del Potro and Berdych will be drawn vs top 3 players one round earlier than Murray.

Only a complete collapse on Murray's part could take him off #4 this year, I think. Even if Delpo/Tomas play better than Murray all year it won't be enough to overtake him in the rankings.

Lendl will give up and Murray will completely collapse.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:48 PM
Lendl will give up and Murray will completely collapse.
Why would Lendl give up on Murray because he's failing on clay? Come back when Murray is failing badly on grass and hardcourt :wavey: You know, courts he's actually consistently great on :wavey:

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 05:48 PM
Obviously his ranking helps a lot but he's just better than them on grass and hardcourt :shrug:

The seeding system in tennis is far too protective of top players.

Only a collapse from Murray can make him lose #4 this year. My prediction is #4 Murray #5 Del Potro #6 Berdych - these 3 should do far better than Ferrer in the hardcourt and grass season. Maybe Tomas can end #5 if he can keep up the consistency all year.

Cloudygirl
05-17-2012, 05:49 PM
He is a Gasquet hater.

Nope he just enjoys trolling

Moozza
05-17-2012, 05:50 PM
excuse, excuse.... He was squashed fair and square.

Don't think anyone is denying that?

Murray was the worst I can ever remember seeing him play and Gasquet was solid enough to take advantage.

Nole Rules
05-17-2012, 05:50 PM
Mugray indeed.

Moozza
05-17-2012, 05:52 PM
The seeding system in tennis is far too protective of top players.

Only a collapse from Murray can make him lose #4 this year. My prediction is #4 Murray #5 Del Potro #6 Berdych - these 3 should do far better than Ferrer in the hardcourt and grass season. Maybe Tomas can end #5 if he can keep up the consistency all year.

But Murray is better than all those guys on harcourt/grass anyway, he deserves to be ranked ahead.

syc23
05-17-2012, 05:54 PM
excuse, excuse.... He was squashed fair and square.

What? Just like when Murray schooled him at Wimbledon last year? When Gasquet can conjure up a game to beat Murray
on grass and HC again, then I might sit up and take notice.

It's not unusual that Murray doesn't play too well during the CC season. Heck, even the clay specialist Ferrer has never
reached a RG semi final.

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 05:55 PM
But Murray is better than all those guys on harcourt/grass anyway, he deserves to be ranked ahead.

Berdych has a Wimbledon final and Del Potro has a US Open title and WTF final...

And anyway, I didn't say Murray doesn't deserve his ranking, just pointing out this flaw in tennis's seeding system.

For a player to overtake Murray, playing better than Murray (at #4 level) isn't enough. You have to play at #1-3 level since you'll face those guys one round earlier than Murray. To become #4 you have to play like #1-3. Don't think any other sport is as protective of top players as tennis.

GSMnadal
05-17-2012, 05:56 PM
Easiest prediction of the week, NID

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 05:56 PM
Gasquet is a better player than Mugray on clay and grass. Last Wimbledon loss was a mental choke, he should have won the first set then win easily.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 05:58 PM
Berdych has a Wimbledon final and Del Potro has a US Open title and WTF title...

And anyway, I didn't say Murray doesn't deserve his ranking, just pointing out this flaw in tennis's seeding system.

For a player to overtake Murray, playing better than Murray (at #4 level) isn't enough. You have to play at #1-3 level since you'll face those guys one round earlier than Murray. To become #4 you have to play like #1-3. Don't think any other sport is as protective of top players as tennis.
Berdych's Wimbledon final isn't in his ranking. Del Potro's US Open title isn't in his ranking. Also, he doesn't have a WTF title :haha: Those results are irrelevant to this discussion anyway.

There is no flaw in the tennis seeding system, you just don't like it.

If you're good enough to play top 4 tennis then you'll get into the top 4. How do you think Murray got there? Was it unfair for Murray when he was ranked where Del Potro was? Or is it just unfair because Murray is the one being "protected"? Just be quiet already.

nole_no1
05-17-2012, 05:58 PM
:sport: Awesome result

emotion
05-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Murray definitely deserves #4. But unsure how much longer that'll be true, with Murray defending lots of points and Ferrer/Berdych very few in next few months

Moozza
05-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Berdych has a Wimbledon final and Del Potro has a US Open title and WTF title...

And anyway, I didn't say Murray doesn't deserve his ranking, just pointing out this flaw in tennis's seeding system.

For a player to overtake Murray, playing better than Murray (at #4 level) isn't enough. You have to play at #1-3 level since you'll face those guys one round earlier than Murray. To become #4 you have to play like #1-3. Don't think any other sport is as protective of top players as tennis.

Really?

Murray has 3 wimbeldon SF's, 3 HC slam finals and many more SF's aswell as 8 MS titles.
This is better than what Berdych and Potro have combined.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 06:02 PM
Gasquet is a better player than Mugray on clay and grass. Last Wimbledon loss was a mental choke, he should have won the first set then win easily.
Murray has 3 consecutive semi-finals at Wimbledon. How many does Gasquet have? Murray has 2 grass titles, the same amount as Gasquet. So, we come back to the slam results. How many semi-finals does Gasquet have at Wimbledon?

nole_no1
05-17-2012, 06:02 PM
Really?

Murray has 3 wimbeldon SF's, 3 HC slam finals and many more SF's aswell as 8 MS titles.
This is better than what Berdych and Potro have combined.

Delpo has a slam so... no

Moozza
05-17-2012, 06:02 PM
Murray definitely deserves #4. But unsure how much longer that'll be true, with Murray defending lots of points and Ferrer/Berdych very few in next few months

There is nothing to suggest he will lose those point though.

People seem to be forgetting how big a difference there is between clay Murray and harcourt/grass Murray.

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 06:03 PM
Nope he just enjoys trolling
That hurts me. :awww:

I want an apology. Now!

Moozza
05-17-2012, 06:04 PM
Delpo has a slam so... no

1 tournament doesn't make him a better HC player than Murray.

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 06:05 PM
Berdych's Wimbledon final isn't in his ranking. Del Potro's US Open title isn't in his ranking. Also, he doesn't have a WTF title :haha: Those results are irrelevant to this discussion anyway.

There is no flaw in the tennis seeding system, you just don't like it.

If you're good enough to play top 4 tennis then you'll get into the top 4. How do you think Murray got there? Was it unfair for Murray when he was ranked where Del Potro was? Or is it just unfair because Murray is the one being "protected"? Just be quiet already.

*WTF final. My mistake, edited it now.

Never said it was unfair, it's just flawed. Do you know of any other sports where top players are protected in the same way. There are tons of cases, not just Murray. For instance, Tsonga has been playing quite lackluster tennis this year but he remains in the top echelons because his ranking makes him draw easy opponents in early rounds.

It's nothing to do with just Murray, just used this discussion about players breaking into the top 4 to illustrate my point.

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 06:07 PM
Murray definitely deserves #4. But unsure how much longer that'll be true, with Murray defending lots of points and Ferrer/Berdych very few in next few months

Delpo even less. Juan has 700 points to defend from now until the end of the season. If he goes on a tear in the summer hardcourts like in 2009, #4 could be his. But I doubt it, he ain't getting higher than #5 this year and even then Tomas might have a word to say about it

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 06:08 PM
*WTF final. My mistake, edited it now.

Never said it was unfair, it's just flawed. Do you know of any other sports where top players are protected in the same way. There are tons of cases, not just Murray. For instance, Tsonga has been playing quite lackluster tennis this year but he remains in the top echelons because his ranking makes him draw easy opponents in early rounds.

It's nothing to do with just Murray, just used this discussion about players breaking into the top 4 to illustrate my point.
It's not flawed, you just don't like it.

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 06:09 PM
Del Potro always gets brought into Murray losses/threads.

t-e-d-i-o-u-s

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 06:10 PM
It's not flawed, you just don't like it.

So you think it is an ideal situation that players can play crap and keep their rankings for a long time just because they keep drawing low ranked players? But that's what the seeding system in tennis allows many times.

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 06:10 PM
That hurts me. :awww:

I want an apology. Now!

:smooch: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch:

Moozza
05-17-2012, 06:12 PM
Del Potro always gets brought into Murray losses/threads.

t-e-d-i-o-u-s

I know, he is not getting near Murray anymore, the most overrated player on MTF.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 06:12 PM
So you think it is an ideal situation that players can play crap and keep their rankings for a long time just because they keep drawing low ranked players? But that's what the seeding system in tennis allows many times.
They're ranked high because they earned their place there. If lower ranked players aren't good enough to beat them when they're bad then that's their problem. Players keep their ranking by drawing low ranked players? Too bad, get over it.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 06:14 PM
I know, he is not getting near Murray anymore, the most overrated player on MTF.
Without a doubt.

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 06:15 PM
I know, he is not getting near Murray anymore, the most overrated player on MTF.

If he beats Tsonga tonight, he will be ahead of Murray in the race. But yeah, nowhere near :rolleyes:

They're ranked high because they earned their place there. If lower ranked players aren't good enough to beat them when they're bad then that's their problem. The rankings and seedings are not flawed. As I said, you just don't like it.

No, they are good enough to beat them, they're just not good enough to beat higher ranked players.

Imagine a guy (not anyone in particular) who can beat Murray and every player below #4, but can't beat the top 3. That guy will not break into the top 4 even if he can beat Murray because he will keep getting drawn with 1-3 one round earlier than Andy in most tournaments.

I'm not saying that I have a better system, just that this one is a very obvious flaw and always has had.

Sapeod
05-17-2012, 06:17 PM
Imagine a guy (not anyone in particular) who can beat Murray and every player below #4, but can't beat the top 3. That guy will not break into the top 4 even if he can beat Murray because he will keep getting drawn with 1-3 one round earlier than Andy in most tournaments.

I'm not saying that I have a better system, just that this one is a very obvious flaw and always has had.
Two words: too bad.

We (or rather, you) have to get used to this "flawed" system. So, get used to it.

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 06:19 PM
Two words: too bad.

We (or rather, you) have to get used to this "flawed" system. So, get used to it.

I am used to it. Not even complaining, just pointing it out.

It's maybe the fairest system possible (or at least I can't think of a better one) even given how tennis works, which doesn't mean it's flawless.

stillreal
05-17-2012, 06:19 PM
Yaaaay Richard! This made my day, hope he can play a good match against Ferrer too, a semifinal in a Masters would be gold for him right now.

Paylu2007
05-17-2012, 06:23 PM
2-17 BP.....only area where Murray is better than Fed

lol, sublime! :D

Moozza
05-17-2012, 06:24 PM
If he beats Tsonga tonight, he will be ahead of Murray in the race. But yeah, nowhere near :rolleyes:



No, they are good enough to beat them, they're just not good enough to beat higher ranked players.

Imagine a guy (not anyone in particular) who can beat Murray and every player below #4, but can't beat the top 3. That guy will not break into the top 4 even if he can beat Murray because he will keep getting drawn with 1-3 one round earlier than Andy in most tournaments.

I'm not saying that I have a better system, just that this one is a very obvious flaw and always has had.

Yes but Murray does much better the second half of the year. He usually does badly post AO through to The start of grass season. Infact the fact he is still so close to Potro, who is apparently having a geat year while Murray is having a bad one, says a lot.

Mark Lenders
05-17-2012, 06:27 PM
Yes but Murray does much better the second half of the year. He usually does badly post AO through to The start of grass season. Infact the fact he is still so close to Potro, who is apparently having a geat year while Murray is having a bad one, says a lot.

Juan does too. The summer hardcourts and indoor seasons are his favorite parts of the season. And he isn't having a great year, just a good one all things considered; he's laying waste to lower ranked players but has only beaten Tsonga and Berdych from the top 10, definitely not a great year even if the signs of improvement are encouraging.

samanosuke
05-17-2012, 06:30 PM
STFU sapeod . all this time lack of intelligence in your posts i was connecting with your age. but ages are passing and you stayed at the same level of posting and tennis knowledge. stay quiet and spare me of your shits. your IQ is in correlation with murray's slam count . hope this helps

Jamoz
05-17-2012, 06:32 PM
Murray, the future...drum roll (more drums) "Non slam winner" :angel:

Clay Death
05-17-2012, 06:34 PM
is murray falling?


lets ask the legless ejacuzees of the lost world at ejacustan to expound and elaborate on this matter.

memo to the legless ejacuzees: stop trying to teach running for a few minutes and answer this question.

Moozza
05-17-2012, 06:35 PM
Murray, the future...drum roll (more drums) "Non slam winner" :angel:

This result proves nothing. Nobody really expects much from him on clay.

He will win the US or wimbeldon this year.

J99
05-17-2012, 06:37 PM
So? He's better than either of them on hardcourt and as usual he'll gain his form on that surface. It's happened every time he's played badly on clay. He either starts to play well in a latter clay tournament or he starts playing his usual level when he reaches the grass courts of Britain.

The same will happen this year. Not much Berdych and Ferrer can do if he's going further than they are in hardcourt tournaments constantly.

Will it now, you can't say that for sure, the guy has been known to slump for long periods.

tektonac
05-17-2012, 06:39 PM
there is a word murray's back hasn't recovered yet and it affected profoundly his serving?

Fireballer
05-17-2012, 06:40 PM
And why do people think that Murray will be much better after RG?He aint winning majors so Masters titles are better I guess

Moozza
05-17-2012, 06:41 PM
there is a word murray's back hasn't recovered yet and it affected profoundly his serving?

Where did you hear that? He looked okay fitness wise although he could hardly hit a first serve.

Moozza
05-17-2012, 06:42 PM
And why do people think that Murray will be much better after RG?He aint winning majors so Masters titles are better I guess

Maybe because clay has always been his worst surface by far?

TigerTim
05-17-2012, 06:43 PM
Typical Murray, I now expect a huge post USO run where he will win everything because the other players are a) Tired or b) not giving a shit. Muzza is saving himself up for this, trust.

Hian-GOAT
05-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Enjoy the party.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/blkwings67/scrubbbbbbbbbbs.gif

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 06:49 PM
:dance:

guga2120
05-17-2012, 06:50 PM
Pathetic 3rd set from Andy. He deserved to lose playing like that. All that practicing he did while skipping Madrid, was all for nothing.

tektonac
05-17-2012, 07:20 PM
Where did you hear that? He looked okay fitness wise although he could hardly hit a first serve.

i read on some other tennis forum, but can't be sure of information validity.

Naudio Spanlatine
05-17-2012, 07:23 PM
:banana:

TigerTim
05-17-2012, 07:24 PM
Murray looked weak after the 1st set, perhaps over tired? But surly not, he has played so few clay matches, then again he could be overworking of the court. His serve is the main reason why he cannot win a slam imo, note whenever he serves 75%+ ie vs Djokovic in Dubai he does well against the big guns. It seems as if in the past 4 years the rest of his game has improved and his serve has not. He should be good at serve, he is strong and tall. No doubt Murray is a funny one.

Allez
05-17-2012, 07:49 PM
Love Gasquet but heartbroken by this loss. Why Murray, why ?????

trojanstallion
05-17-2012, 07:51 PM
"F*CKING SHADOWS!!!!!"
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/andy-murray-pic-getty-886967313-e1308916470397.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i9/akeem17/ByeBitch.gif

bari1991
05-17-2012, 07:55 PM
"big 4" on clay my ass! Just because you have 1 good year on clay doesn't make you great.Murray has yet to make a finals at a tournament on clay much less a MS and can't win them unlike the real top 3 :rolleyes:

hey Andy,next year head to Portugal or even Serbia and try winning a small tournament:wavey:

Seppi will be next year at Serbia Open to defend the title.So,Murray won't have an easy task if he comes to Belgrade.

tennishero
05-17-2012, 07:56 PM
where is SAOPED??? :lol:

stop crying under your bed and show yourself! :haha:

bari1991
05-17-2012, 07:59 PM
Love Gasquet but heartbroken by this loss. Why Murray, why ?????

Andy is in crisis.What might have and should have happened in a match against David,happened today.

tennishero
05-17-2012, 08:00 PM
Two words: too bad.

We (or rather, you) have to get used to this "flawed" system. So, get used to it.

so there you are...

murray still winning a slam yes? :rolleyes:

Moozza
05-17-2012, 08:10 PM
Andy is in crisis.What might have and should have happened in a match against David,happened today.

I would't say he is in crisis. If he continues in this sort of form after the clay season though...

Allez
05-17-2012, 08:11 PM
Andy is in crisis.What might have and should have happened in a match against David,happened today.

It is clear to me now that Andy is seeking solutions to his very internal demons from the outside, hence the huge coaching entourage pre Lendl and indeed the hiring of Lendl himself. He is not going to get the answers by looking outside of himself. He needs to go within lol

I mean I don't know if there's anything to look forward to this season. We have the Olympics @ Wimbledon and it's a diamond jubilee year to boot. Murray needs to get his ass into gear asap! Very soon he's going to have the likes of Berdych breathing down his neck. I want him to do the summer London double this year and results, and especially on court behaviour, like today's are not very encouraging :rolleyes:

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 08:13 PM
It is clear to me now that Andy is seeking solutions to his very internal demons from the outside, hence the huge coaching entourage pre Lendl and indeed the hiring of Lendl himself. He is not going to get the answers by looking outside of himself. He needs to go within lol

I mean I don't know if there's anything to look forward to this season. We have the Olympics @ Wimbledon and it's a diamond jubilee year to boot. Murray needs to get his ass into gear asap! Very soon he's going to have the likes of Berdych breathing down his neck. I want him to do the summer London double this year and results, and especially on court behaviour, like today's are not very encouraging :rolleyes:

That Royalist shite can fuck off.

Allez
05-17-2012, 08:15 PM
That Royalist shite can fuck off.

I'm not an ardent Royalist myself but this could be one for the history books :yeah:

TigerTim
05-17-2012, 08:18 PM
last time the queen had a major jubilee Wade won Wimbledon, Muzza can do the same!

EDIT: http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.com/News/Tennis/2012/Tournament/Murray-Thursday.aspx

The Decline begins?!

nick the greek
05-17-2012, 08:23 PM
When Murray plays badly on clay this is what happens. Not terribly surprising giving how badly he played in those last two sets. He'll be back to business when we hit the grass/hardcourt part of the year.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :bigcry:.Keep suffering and cry,cry you annoying baby.

nick the greek
05-17-2012, 08:29 PM
It is clear to me now that Andy is seeking solutions to his very internal demons from the outside, hence the huge coaching entourage pre Lendl and indeed the hiring of Lendl himself. He is not going to get the answers by looking outside of himself. He needs to go within lol

I mean I don't know if there's anything to look forward to this season. We have the Olympics @ Wimbledon and it's a diamond jubilee year to boot. Murray needs to get his ass into gear asap! Very soon he's going to have the likes of Berdych breathing down his neck. I want him to do the summer London double this year and results, and especially on court behaviour, like today's are not very encouraging :rolleyes:
You want Mugray to win Olympics and Wimbly?Well,I want Scarlett Johansson to wake me up every morning with a BJ.I have better chances than that pathetic slamless mug.

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 08:35 PM
last time the queen had a major jubilee Wade won Wimbledon, Muzza can do the same!

EDIT: http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.com/News/Tennis/2012/Tournament/Murray-Thursday.aspx

The Decline begins?!

No Serena and Hewitt did (Golden, 2002)

Nole fan
05-17-2012, 08:37 PM
Is Murray actually going backwards? sad to watch. :awww:

TigerTim
05-17-2012, 08:39 PM
No Serena and Hewitt did (Golden, 2002)

crap, lets forget about that - gold isn't a proper jubilee anyway ;)

Allez
05-17-2012, 08:44 PM
last time the queen had a major jubilee Wade won Wimbledon, Muzza can do the same!

EDIT: http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.com/News/Tennis/2012/Tournament/Murray-Thursday.aspx

The Decline begins?!

Thanks for this. It's been obvious this whole year so far that Murray hasn't been himself. this back injury answers a lot of questions.

Jaz
05-17-2012, 09:07 PM
Murray.

Still a failure.

Matt01
05-17-2012, 09:09 PM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :bigcry:.Keep suffering and cry,cry you annoying baby.


:rolls:

Smoke944
05-17-2012, 09:12 PM
You want Mugray to win Olympics and Wimbly?Well,I want Scarlett Johansson to wake me up every morning with a BJ.I have better chances than that pathetic slamless mug.

:lol: I like this guy

henke007
05-17-2012, 09:27 PM
Tennis wins when Pushray loses , very good Gasquet.

emotion
05-17-2012, 09:28 PM
Delpo even less. Juan has 700 points to defend from now until the end of the season. If he goes on a tear in the summer hardcourts like in 2009, #4 could be his. But I doubt it, he ain't getting higher than #5 this year and even then Tomas might have a word to say about it

Look at YTD though. Not that great

reery
05-17-2012, 09:31 PM
Murray will be a bye in the SF of RG. IF he even gets there.

TigerTim
05-17-2012, 09:33 PM
Murray will be a bye in the SF of RG. IF he even gets there.

Bye in the QF more like.

Sunset of Age
05-17-2012, 09:36 PM
Oopsie!
Didn't see th match. No idea what happened, but I guess it might well be time to finally bury any talk of there being any 'big 4' for once and forever.

Moozza
05-17-2012, 09:38 PM
Oopsie!
Didn't see th match. No idea what happened, but I guess it might well be time to finally bury any talk of there being any 'big 4' for once and forever.

Murray is not a serious threat on clay, so no big 4 on clay.

On other surfaces? Yes there is.

asmazif
05-17-2012, 09:38 PM
Murray will be a bye in the SF of RG. IF he even gets there.

you say 'if he even' - SF of a grand slam is a big deal.

LastRocket
05-17-2012, 09:41 PM
Aggressive player won. Well done Gasquet, you showed to the biggest pusher on earth how to play tennis. Pushray can't do much without a FH. If only he had one........

JediFed
05-17-2012, 09:52 PM
Didn't see th match. No idea what happened, but I guess it might well be time to finally bury any talk of there being any 'big 4' for once and forever.

Adds more weeks to his record number of weeks in the atp tour top 3.

Nole fan
05-17-2012, 10:03 PM
Oopsie!
Didn't see th match. No idea what happened, but I guess it might well be time to finally bury any talk of there being any 'big 4' for once and forever.

Well, he's been Top 4 for a hell of a time with no one even coming close to him. So i think he deserves to be included in the Big 4 (though further apart each time).

Moozza
05-17-2012, 10:12 PM
Aggressive player won. Well done Gasquet, you showed to the biggest pusher on earth how to play tennis. Pushray can't do much without a FH. If only he had one........

Gasquet aggressive? Did you even watch the Match?

Mr. Oracle
05-17-2012, 10:12 PM
Uncle Toni proves that he can reach you at any stage of the tournament at will and send you packing. Too much heat for the matador pre RG.

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 10:20 PM
Mooza2011. You better ask a mod to permabanned you quickly. Too much bullshit from you, too much.

RIboy
05-17-2012, 10:24 PM
Aggressive player won. Well done Gasquet, you showed to the biggest pusher on earth how to play tennis. Pushray can't do much without a FH. If only he had one........

:rolleyes: gasquet was camping w/ the ball boys most of the match...

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 10:25 PM
Mooza2011. You better ask a mod to permabanned you quickly. Too much bullshit from you, too much.
Why are you still here then? The amount of bullshit you post about Gasquet is disturbing.

TigerTim
05-17-2012, 10:28 PM
Gasquet was in the crowd for most of Murray's second serves - about as attacking as a turnip

Nole fan
05-17-2012, 10:28 PM
Why are you still here then? The amount of bullshit you post about Gasquet is disturbing.

:yeah:

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 10:30 PM
Why are you still here then? The amount of bullshit you post about Gasquet is disturbing.


I'm spot on about Gasquet. I know he plays too far away from the baseline but during this match he made some effort to be aggressive, not always but sometimes and it's a good thing.
Sometimes I troll about him I agree.

You, on the other hand, are spreading shit 24/7. I hope you are trolling :)


Edit: Nole fan supporting you is not a good sign :o

Certinfy
05-17-2012, 10:39 PM
Nole fan speaks a million times more sense in one word than your whole 4,561 posts here.

I hope you're trolling about how good Gasquet is.

silverwhite
05-17-2012, 10:41 PM
I'm spot on about Gasquet. I know he plays too far away from the baseline but during this match he made some effort to be aggressive, not always but sometimes and it's a good thing.
Sometimes I troll about him I agree.

You, on the other hand, are spreading shit 24/7. I hope you are trolling :)


Edit: Nole fan supporting you is not a good sign :o

+1

IIRC, he had 41 winners to 38 UEs in the match (vs Murray's 34 winners and 37(?) UEs) :shrug:

Nole fan
05-17-2012, 10:43 PM
Nole fan speaks a million times more sense in one word than your whole 4,561 posts here.

I hope you're trolling about how good Gasquet is.

Damn i cannot goodrep you again, jesse. :kiss:

Moozza
05-17-2012, 10:43 PM
I'm spot on about Gasquet. I know he plays too far away from the baseline but during this match he made some effort to be aggressive, not always but sometimes and it's a good thing.
Sometimes I troll about him I agree.

You, on the other hand, are spreading shit 24/7. I hope you are trolling :)


Edit: Nole fan supporting you is not a good sign :o

Gasquet was not playing aggressive for most of that match and there is nothing wrong with that either. When your opponent is basically beating themselves, why go for winners all the time?

sammy01
05-17-2012, 10:44 PM
moaning, passive (when it matters) and just down right annoying. i'm so sick of murray blaming everyone and everything bar himself for his short comings. man up murray.

Gagsquet
05-17-2012, 10:45 PM
Nole fan speaks a million times more sense in one word than your whole 4,561 posts here.

I hope you're trolling about how good Gasquet is.

Do you really think that?

Mountaindewslave
05-17-2012, 11:33 PM
the fact is if Gasquet is playing confidently he can't beat Murray in any condition. Gasquet can attack Murray, Murray is just far too defensive...

and his personality and attitude my god, get yourself together Andy. people complain about players like Roddick and Fish who act like ass holes, but your attitude is ever worse because you're not acting like a tool to other people as much as just getting so upset and childish with yourself it makes people want to change the channel.

i like him from time to time but when Andy plays matches like this is must be embarassing to be his fan.

Mountaindewslave
05-17-2012, 11:36 PM
Nole fan speaks a million times more sense in one word than your whole 4,561 posts here.

I hope you're trolling about how good Gasquet is.

that's dumb considering Nolefan doesn't say anything particularly fact or intelligent based, all of her comments regard her worshiping of Djokovic, so NO, her one comment is not even close to as important or valuable as one of the Gasquet fan's. maybe you were being sarcastic, hopefully :confused:

it's a fact that Gasquet is immensely talented, he has almost no weak shots in his game, confidence just always has been a problem as well as mental fortitude when he is playing in big moments. he is one of the most talented players around. results don't always equal talent. just as talent doesn't always equal results.

I think anyone can accept for example that Gasquet is obviously as talented as Murray just has never focused on the game like he should.

Synchronicity
05-18-2012, 12:00 AM
Andy :facepalm:

swebright
05-18-2012, 12:06 AM
Who think Murray will likely retire before Federer? Too much disappointment can kill his spirit, although he is pumping himself up with words. Even he wins Olympic gold, it's not a slam.

rinnegan
05-18-2012, 12:20 AM
Murray in Gulbis-like form

ossie
05-18-2012, 12:20 AM
Andy :facepalm:
my thoughts exactly

swebright
05-18-2012, 12:33 AM
Richie played smart aggressive tennis. The point he got to Mp was impressive. Murray was still out of breath when the match was over. Poor Muzza.

Dini
05-18-2012, 12:36 AM
Fyeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

That's all.

Topspindoctor
05-18-2012, 01:12 AM
:superlol:

Always good to see Pushray lose on clay.

Drugsquet showing surprising mental strength after choking away the first set, so kudos to him :yeah:

And people still think this clay clown is a dark horse for RG...:lol:

Mugray :wavey:

BroTree123
05-18-2012, 01:23 AM
A glorious, glorious result for the universe IMO.

Topspindoctor
05-18-2012, 01:28 AM
Pushray is exactly like Radwanska/Wozniacki on clay. Lacks power and forehand to hit through the surface. This counterpunching mug relies on pace of other players' shots. When he doesn't get it, he is exposed. Drugsquet actually hits a heavy ball, not a surprise Pushray struggles -- he really should have lost that RG2010 encounter, too bad Drugsquet's fitness is about equal to someone in old people home :o

Matt01
05-18-2012, 02:09 AM
A glorious, glorious result for the universe IMO.


I like them both but Murray and Gasquet aren't THAT important :lol:

monmororin
05-18-2012, 02:11 AM
Andy...:facepalm:

Well done, Richie.:worship:

ImmzB
05-18-2012, 09:08 AM
:woohoo: :rocker2: :woohoo: :rocker2:

Great victory for Gasquet!! :) After the long 1st set, it was great that Richard stayed in the match mentally and getting the break in the 1st game of the 2nd really helped! :)


Ferrer next, very tough match for Richard and also playing just under 3 hours won't make it easier. All the best! :yeah:

Allez! :)

king David
05-18-2012, 01:13 PM
Good perf from Richie

Farenhajt
05-19-2012, 09:41 PM
Sorry for being late. Great day for tennis, as per usual.

Puschkin
05-20-2012, 02:53 PM
Sorry for being late. Great day for tennis, as per usual.

Sorry for being very late, but :woohoo: :woohoo: