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Rome R2: [3] Federer def. Berlocq 6-3 6-4

Filo V.
05-16-2012, 01:14 PM
Roger did whatever he wanted whenever he wanted to. When he decided to raise his level at the end of the second set he took over. Some beautiful shotmaking from Roger.

Hian-GOAT
05-16-2012, 01:14 PM
Madrid :spit:

sexybeast
05-16-2012, 01:14 PM
2003 Federer would have some trouble with this Berlocq.

Filo V.
05-16-2012, 01:15 PM
Yeah, I had last weeks' tournament in my mind, thinking about Madrid :lol:

JanKowalski
05-16-2012, 01:15 PM
Yeah, I had last weeks' tournament in my mind :lol:

Good omen? :)

Orka_n
05-16-2012, 01:16 PM
69 minutes. Good, he needs short matches to begin with here so he doesn't exhaust himself.

espana
05-16-2012, 01:16 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eA4n-Yj-Q2Y/T7OopZTnSTI/AAAAAAAAAVM/qG_hbNBKveU/s1600/Federer-Berlocq.jpg

Johnbert
05-16-2012, 01:17 PM
routinerer :hatoff:

ServeVolley
05-16-2012, 01:17 PM
Highlights were the first three games and last two games. Roger was just coasting for the rest of it.

henke007
05-16-2012, 01:17 PM
Federer really dropped from the 1st set but put the foot to the pedal to end the match in style.

green25814
05-16-2012, 01:17 PM
Yeah, I had last weeks' tournament in my mind, thinking about Madrid :lol:

Yeah, this definitely isnt Madrid lol. Slow as anything out there. Very windy too

Sophocles
05-16-2012, 01:18 PM
Good start & finish but rather up & down & I don't see him challenging for the title in this form.

Mercury
05-16-2012, 01:20 PM
I'm glad Fed didn't look too tired so soon after Madrid. He looked very good today, hit the gas when he wanted, conserved his energy when he could. Perfect match to start the tournament.

AncicCilic
05-16-2012, 01:21 PM
Bit few too many unforced errors from Rogi, but not all too bad for first match on this kind of surface. I'm really glad he managed to end it without having to put 100% or waste a lot of time. He needs such matches at this point. :hatoff:

Filo V.
05-16-2012, 01:22 PM
Good omen? :)

Potentially so :angel:

J99
05-16-2012, 01:23 PM
Well Fed was only +2 in winners to errors, Carlos +4, any player so far this week to be + though is doing well, maybe the tourney is just calling too many shots errors.

Corey Feldman
05-16-2012, 01:23 PM
crowd packed for the King of tennis

will be half full rest of the day now with only the weenie Nadal on schedule

Berlocq another name beaten he never platyed before, another head added to the wall

martinatreue
05-16-2012, 01:24 PM
2003 Federer would have some trouble with this Berlocq.

Exactly my thoughts while watching this match. He definitely would have had a lot of trouble staying patient enough and aggressive enough against a guy who produces such a heavy shot. The Roger of old would have overhit a lot of forehands and would have been too tentative with his backhand. I thought Roger did not overhit too many of those forehands (especially considering this was his first match in Rome) and yet he stayed quite aggressive with his backhand.

Filo V.
05-16-2012, 01:25 PM
Yeah, this definitely isnt Madrid lol. Slow as anything out there. Very windy too

Yes, the conditions are very slow, the balls don't have a lot of life. Completely different conditions from Madrid, and the wind just adds a different dimension. Traditional clay court tennis.

green25814
05-16-2012, 01:27 PM
Well Fed was only +2 in winners to errors, Carlos +4, any player so far this week to be + though is doing well, maybe the tourney is just calling too many shots errors.
That always happens on slow clay, a lot of the 'errors' are misses brought about by opponents play. Its much more difficult to hit a clean winner since the ball slows up and you can change direction quickly. Berlocq was being forced out of position a lot, thats whats important on clay

martinatreue
05-16-2012, 01:28 PM
Well Fed was only +2 in winners to errors, Carlos +4, any player so far this week to be + though is doing well, maybe the tourney is just calling too many shots errors.

I think Roger was smart in not going always for winners but rather forcing a lot of errors of shots up the middle or on approach shots to the backhand. Berlocq was forced into errors on a lot of key points. It's a great lesson for all of us when we play a good retriever. Sometimes you just are not going to have a winner without super high risk but you can force the play by taking the ball earlier and by wrongfooting someone or coming in to the net and forcing errors off the passing shots. It's not as glamourous as a clean winner but it gets the job done.

Chirag
05-16-2012, 01:29 PM
Nice seeing him move freely on the red clay

sexybeast
05-16-2012, 01:29 PM
Exactly my thoughts while watching this match. He definitely would have had a lot of trouble staying patient enough and aggressive enough against a guy who produces such a heavy shot. The Roger of old would have overhit a lot of forehands and would have been too tentative with his backhand. I thought Roger did not overhit too many of those forehands (especially considering this was his first match in Rome) and yet he stayed quite aggressive with his backhand.

He also has stopped overusing his slice shot against the wrong opponents on clay, he almost didnt use that shot at all today. His use of the forehand is very smart and tactical, he goes to the net at the exact right moment and he never gets irritated or psychologically beat by the though conditions. Federer 2012 is still one hell of a claycourt player despite his age, maybe better than even Federer 2005 in my opinion.

Corey Feldman
05-16-2012, 01:30 PM
2003 Fed got hammered in the final here by Felix Mantilla when he blew about 380 bps in 3 sets

sexybeast
05-16-2012, 01:35 PM
2003 Fed got hammered in the final here by Felix Mantilla when he blew about 380 bps in 3 sets

It was one of many legendary mental breakdowns by pre-2004 Federer. I think he got setpoints where he missed an easy smash in tiebreak aswell.

Mystique
05-16-2012, 01:39 PM
The courts are so slow and I cant see the ball :p More of the blue stuff please :lol:

On a serious note, good stuff Feds :yeah: Classic Get the job done stuff :)
I dont expect him to win this tourney, in fact best I can see him do here is a SF and I will very much take it :) Keep it up Feds...

sexybeast
05-16-2012, 01:40 PM
What's bps if you don't mind me asking? I'm new here...

EDIT
Brake Points?

Yeah, break points.

Federer had something like 20 but broke only 3 times Mantilla's serve. He couldnt handle the conditions mentally.

martinatreue
05-16-2012, 01:40 PM
He also has stopped overusing his slice shot against the wrong opponents on clay, he almost didnt use that shot at all today. His use of the forehand is very smart and tactical, he goes to the net at the exact right moment and he never gets irritated or psychologically beat by the though conditions. Federer 2012 is still one hell of a claycourt player despite his age, maybe better than even Federer 2005 in my opinion.

Yeah I noticed that too. That slice backhand was uses sparingly today, but when he did choose to use the slice backhand, it was at the right moment to get Berlocq out of position and then Roger won most of those rallies. I really think his ability to hit over the backhand, drive it flat and slice really low is one of the most overlooked aspects of his game. He also had one slice forehand winner :) (The fake out drop shot at the net that he slices deep of his forehand:devil:)

Corey Feldman
05-16-2012, 01:43 PM
Fed just said in his press conf if they dont change to blue courts next year.. he's never coming back

sexybeast
05-16-2012, 01:43 PM
Only negative thing about Federer today is that he still hasnt found the dropshot!

That dropshot has become a fundamental part of his claycourt game in the last couple of years, he needs to find it before RG.

Looner
05-16-2012, 01:44 PM
The courts are so slow and I cant see the ball :p More of the blue stuff please :lol:

On a serious note, good stuff Feds :yeah: Classic Get the job done stuff :)
I dont expect him to win this tourney, in fact best I can see him do here is a SF and I will very much take it :) Keep it up Feds...

SF with a loss to the Novakminator who then goes to secure Roger's #2 seed at RG. PeRFect :o ;)

J99
05-16-2012, 01:48 PM
I think Roger was smart in not going always for winners but rather forcing a lot of errors of shots up the middle or on approach shots to the backhand. Berlocq was forced into errors on a lot of key points. It's a great lesson for all of us when we play a good retriever. Sometimes you just are not going to have a winner without super high risk but you can force the play by taking the ball earlier and by wrongfooting someone or coming in to the net and forcing errors off the passing shots. It's not as glamourous as a clean winner but it gets the job done.

I got no probs with the forced error's, it's the UE's I'm talking about.

Beat
05-16-2012, 01:48 PM
18/23 net points? :eek:

Mercury
05-16-2012, 01:56 PM
Fed just said in his press conf if they dont change to blue courts next year.. he's never coming back

Where do you see the press conferences? I know how to find em in F1 or football but tennis? never found anywhere to watch em.

Sunset of Age
05-16-2012, 01:56 PM
Decent job, but Fed's level looked rather flattered by Berlocq's awful start at the beginning which more or less left Berlocq without any chance to have a bite at that first set.
Second set saw quite a few sloppy errors by Fed, even got himself broken by Berlocq but after another break by Feds the outcome was NID.

Okay start, but surely not okay enough to do some damage in the latter stages of the tournament imho.

DemiCrayanhan
05-16-2012, 01:57 PM
^^ didn't watch, but 23 net approaches is what caught my eye too.

fed tried this first match in madrid too.

samanosuke
05-16-2012, 01:57 PM
Where do you see the press conferences? I know how to find em in F1 or football but tennis? never found anywhere to watch em.

punk'd.com

Corey Feldman
05-16-2012, 01:59 PM
Where do you see the press conferences? I know how to find em in F1 or football but tennis? never found anywhere to watch em. first you dont know what bps are then you fall for that?

samanosuke
05-16-2012, 02:00 PM
first you dont know what bps are then you fall for that?

don't be rude mike. he is a rookie

Corey Feldman
05-16-2012, 02:04 PM
welcome to the forum Mercury

first name isnt Freddie, is it?

JediFed
05-16-2012, 02:24 PM
SF with a loss to the Novakminator who then goes to secure Roger's #2 seed at RG. PeRFect

Personally, I'd prefer him to finally win in Rome. :D

doublebackhand
05-16-2012, 03:17 PM
Personally, I'd prefer him to finally win in Rome. :D

:yeah: never say never

rocketassist
05-16-2012, 03:17 PM
Personally, I'd prefer him to finally win in Rome. :D

If Nadull is in the final, he has to tank it and let Nole secure Fed's 2 spot.

Fuser59
05-16-2012, 03:19 PM
Fed just said in his press conf if they dont change to blue courts next year.. he's never coming back


:clap2::worship:

sexybeast
05-16-2012, 03:20 PM
If Nadull is in the final, he has to tank it and let Nole secure Fed's 2 spot.

You cant ever rely on Federer tanking, you gotta hope for Djokovic to bring out the goods.

Poirot123
05-16-2012, 03:22 PM
Good start & finish but rather up & down & I don't see him challenging for the title in this form.

I don't think Federer is expecting to challenge for the title here. I think after he saw the draw open up for him after Ferrero beat Monfils, he thought, "Berlocq, Ferrero, and then a QF v either Isner or Tipsy. Why not? Then a sneaky withdrawal before the SF v Djokovic, couple of points in the bag and some practice on the red dirt".

Also after the match, Federer said that he fully expected Nadal to be in the final or to win Rome, and that the ranking for World Number 1 would be decided at the US Open this year. He doesn't care if he's 2 or 3 going into RG. He's looking beyond that and wants to stay fit and healthy for the long run to the US Open final and glory.

abraxas21
05-16-2012, 03:22 PM
Fed just said in his press conf if they dont change to blue courts next year.. he's never coming back

:lol:

Apemant
05-16-2012, 04:00 PM
I think Roger was smart in not going always for winners but rather forcing a lot of errors of shots up the middle or on approach shots to the backhand. Berlocq was forced into errors on a lot of key points. It's a great lesson for all of us when we play a good retriever. Sometimes you just are not going to have a winner without super high risk but you can force the play by taking the ball earlier and by wrongfooting someone or coming in to the net and forcing errors off the passing shots. It's not as glamourous as a clean winner but it gets the job done.

Yes and that's what Nadal does the best, because he's the most persistent, the most precise, and the most willing to run down everything he possibly can (and then some :D)



I don't think Federer is expecting to challenge for the title here. I think after he saw the draw open up for him after Ferrero beat Monfils, he thought, "Berlocq, Ferrero, and then a QF v either Isner or Tipsy. Why not? Then a sneaky withdrawal before the SF v Djokovic, couple of points in the bag and some practice on the red dirt".

Also after the match, Federer said that he fully expected Nadal to be in the final or to win Rome, and that the ranking for World Number 1 would be decided at the US Open this year. He doesn't care if he's 2 or 3 going into RG. He's looking beyond that and wants to stay fit and healthy for the long run to the US Open final and glory.

Yes, Novak defends north of 5000 points Wimby-to-USO. Fed, just 1350. He does have a good chance, but he needs to deliver when it matters...

ServeVolley
05-16-2012, 04:07 PM
I don't think Federer is expecting to challenge for the title here. I think after he saw the draw open up for him after Ferrero beat Monfils, he thought, "Berlocq, Ferrero, and then a QF v either Isner or Tipsy. Why not? Then a sneaky withdrawal before the SF v Djokovic, couple of points in the bag and some practice on the red dirt".

Federer's withdrawn during a tournament just twice in his entire career... If it comes to it, he will play (even if Novak has a better chance against Nadal in the final).

HKz
05-16-2012, 04:38 PM
Good start & finish but rather up & down & I don't see him challenging for the title in this form.

Could say the same about many of his other matches like Raonic last week, or even Raonic + Belucci in IW. What I think Federer has really regained a bit since the US Open is being able to peak his form for the most important matches, like he used to do so well during his prime years. Now he just needs to be able to find a way to peak for the slams, but certainly this is all a huge confidence booster.

fsoica
05-16-2012, 04:46 PM
i'm tired of hearing times and times again after fed first match in a tourney that he is not ready to win it.

i'm not saying that he is ready for rome, but let's wait for at least the 3rd round before saying something...

GOAT = Fed
05-16-2012, 04:56 PM
Good start. I still cannot believe people are bold to make predictions are about Federer just from his opening matches. He's never been someone who starts off with a BOOM. Look at his past tournaments he's won. He's never really gone all in and thrashed opponents, even in his prime.

Tennis-Life
05-16-2012, 05:17 PM
Here is match Highlights

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Mercury
05-16-2012, 07:31 PM
first you dont know what bps are then you fall for that?
I'd know what BPs are, but bps just sounds like balls per second or something :P

As for that conference remark, I always see the players giving out interviews after the matches but never found a vid of any of them. Just figured he meant those :/

Yeah yeah I'm a noob, but I shall persevere! Even if last time I did that I kept getting my ass whopped in CS:S :P

Allez
05-16-2012, 08:52 PM
Fed not at his best. The contrast between red and blue clay could not have been more stark :eek: No easy serves or first strike tennis. Fed had to play Rome even if it's a couple of matches before heading to RG. This surface is tough.

guga2120
05-16-2012, 11:08 PM
I see Federer said he almost pulled out.:D He's got that excuse ready when the #1 crushes him in the sf.

fsoica
05-16-2012, 11:47 PM
judging from the highlights above, i'd say the transition was quite smooth and silky...still don't get it why some posters keep on saying he is not ready to play here. he will give novak a run for his money if it comes to that. don't know about a win, but it will be a good prep. for RG, nevertheless.

Topspindoctor
05-17-2012, 12:11 AM
As always Olderer is exposed on real clay.

Struggling against one of the worst mugs I've seen tells you a lot about the decline of his clay game from 2006 :o

Any Fedtards still think he has a chance to win this title will be in for a very rude reality check in later rounds. RG is out of reach as well, I am afraid.

fsoica
05-17-2012, 12:31 AM
I am afraid.

U really need to be afraid, but not for RG. The harsh truth will hit you big time in 5-6 weeks...hopefully then you will take a vacation from posting like a crazy hater...

Arkulari
05-17-2012, 01:23 AM
I see Federer said he almost pulled out.:D He's got that excuse ready when the #1 crushes him in the sf.

:haha: you just live for his losses, right? :lol:

Gawd, I don't think anyone is expecting Roger to win Rome or RG, but it's nice to see him picking wins there and there in clay, his priorities are the Olympics and Wimbledon or USO.

tripwires
05-17-2012, 01:26 AM
As always Olderer is exposed on real clay.

Struggling against one of the worst mugs I've seen tells you a lot about the decline of his clay game from 2006 :o

Any Fedtards still think he has a chance to win this title will be in for a very rude reality check in later rounds. RG is out of reach as well, I am afraid.

Roger struggled? :haha: T-Doc trolling a Federer match. Never in doubt.

Topspindoctor
05-17-2012, 01:26 AM
U really need to be afraid, but not for RG. The harsh truth will hit you big time in 5-6 weeks...hopefully then you will take a vacation from posting like a crazy hater...


Afraid of Olderer on slow red clay? :superlol:

If he manages to reach the final, I am looking forward to Nadal abusing his girly backhand. :drool:

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 01:27 AM
Afraid of Olderer on slow red clay? :superlol:

If he manages to reach the final, I am looking forward to Nadal abusing his girly backhand. :drool:

If he reaches the RG final then he won't because it'll probably be Nole waiting there instead.

sexybeast
05-17-2012, 01:39 AM
No one has won RG at Federer's age since Rod Laver 40+ years ago, if Federer gets to SF or anything like that it is already an accomplishment for a 31 year old. No one here seems to expect Federer to do anything in Rome or RG, so there is no reason for nadaltards to flock around like hyenas around a dead corpse waiting for Federer to lose.

Someone said Djokovic will destroy Federer, he better because another defeat like the one in RG on clay against a 31 year old on clay would be plainly speaking downright embaressing for a player of Djokovic's standard.

Serve&Volley01
05-17-2012, 01:40 AM
Afraid of Olderer on slow red clay? :superlol:

If he manages to reach the final, I am looking forward to Nadal abusing his girly backhand. :drool:

You realize that if Fed reaches the final then:

1) He's beaten Djokovic who has owned Nadal 4 times on clay
2) Roger Federer keeps the World No. 2 ranking
3) His best Rome result in 7 years.

:smash:

Arkulari
05-17-2012, 01:55 AM
For someone who sucks so badly in red clay, 10 titles, 6 MS (4 in Hamburg which is as conventional as it gets in clay) and 1 RG + plenty of finals only being stopped by the best claycourter probably in history...

What a clown that Federer. :lol:

viruzzz
05-17-2012, 02:10 AM
Nadal own Fed on clay, but don't forget Fed won over Nadal 2 times on clay. And 2 times on clay vs Rafa is so damn much.

doublebackhand
05-17-2012, 02:36 AM
I don't think Federer is expecting to challenge for the title here. I think after he saw the draw open up for him after Ferrero beat Monfils, he thought, "Berlocq, Ferrero, and then a QF v either Isner or Tipsy. Why not? Then a sneaky withdrawal before the SF v Djokovic, couple of points in the bag and some practice on the red dirt".

Also after the match, Federer said that he fully expected Nadal to be in the final or to win Rome, and that the ranking for World Number 1 would be decided at the US Open this year. He doesn't care if he's 2 or 3 going into RG. He's looking beyond that and wants to stay fit and healthy for the long run to the US Open final and glory.

Totally agree. He's definitely in for the long haul. Hopefully he can at least get to the semis of RG n Djokovic doesn't win. Then hopefully winning/going deep at W Olympics and USO will help me steal the #1.

I'd know what BPs are, but bps just sounds like balls per second or something :P

As for that conference remark, I always see the players giving out interviews after the matches but never found a vid of any of them. Just figured he meant those :/

Yeah yeah I'm a noob, but I shall persevere! Even if last time I did that I kept getting my ass whopped in CS:S :P

You r my favorite newcomer. Sensible n showing a lot of civility, which is a rare commodity here.

duchuy89
05-17-2012, 03:16 AM
Fed played very well but Nadal will win.

Arkulari
05-17-2012, 03:54 AM
Fed played very well but Nadal will win.

1. Roger played at 40% vs Berlocq and that's being generous.
2. Who's saying Rafa won't win Rome? :scratch:

Topspindoctor
05-17-2012, 03:56 AM
1. Roger played at 40% vs Berlocq and that's being generous.
2. Who's saying Rafa won't win Rome? :scratch:

Goderer only played at 11.54367% :worship:

Arkulari
05-17-2012, 04:16 AM
Goderer only played at 11.54367% :worship:

Nah, he turned into GreatFed when he broke, the rest of the match it was Relaxerer :lol:

Guy rarely (if ever) gives 100% if he doesn't have to ;)

Allez
05-17-2012, 05:23 AM
No one has won RG at Federer's age since Rod Laver 40+ years ago, if Federer gets to SF or anything like that it is already an accomplishment for a 31 year old. No one here seems to expect Federer to do anything in Rome or RG, so there is no reason for nadaltards to flock around like hyenas around a dead corpse waiting for Federer to lose.

Someone said Djokovic will destroy Federer, he better because another defeat like the one in RG on clay against a 31 year old on clay would be plainly speaking downright embaressing for a player of Djokovic's standard.

That's right. People tend to forget just how old Federer is...:eek:

fsoica
05-17-2012, 05:26 AM
Afraid of Olderer on slow red clay? :superlol:

If he manages to reach the final, I am looking forward to Nadal abusing his girly backhand. :drool:

Did u even read what I posted, u tard-troll-bot?

The only thing abused around here seems to be your brain...

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 05:48 AM
No one has won RG at Federer's age since Rod Laver 40+ years ago, if Federer gets to SF or anything like that it is already an accomplishment for a 31 year old. No one here seems to expect Federer to do anything in Rome or RG, so there is no reason for nadaltards to flock around like hyenas around a dead corpse waiting for Federer to lose.

Someone said Djokovic will destroy Federer, he better because another defeat like the one in RG on clay against a 31 year old on clay would be plainly speaking downright embaressing for a player of Djokovic's standard.

So.....the apparent greatest tennis player of all time has the same expiration date as everyone else :scratch:

As a Djokovic fan, I, too, hope he murders Fed (if they play) but I would at least expect his tards to realize that Federer transcends age.

Allez
05-17-2012, 06:00 AM
So.....the apparent greatest tennis player of all time has the same expiration date as everyone else :scratch:

As a Djokovic fan, I, too, hope he murders Fed (if they play) but I would at least expect his tards to realize that Federer transcends age.

He is not JesusFed. No glory to be gained from beating an old man. Beating Rafa, Murray, Pony etc is where it's really at for Nole and the same is true for anyone aged 27 or younger...

In 6 years time you too will view the salivating over a younger player's prospect of beating a 31 year old Nole with the same level of amusement :o

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 06:33 AM
He is not JesusFed. No glory to be gained from beating an old man. Beating Rafa, Murray, Pony etc is where it's really at for Nole and the same is true for anyone aged 27 or younger...

This is hilarious. It must be nice to live in a world where beating Federer is no big deal.

Just to be sure, is this a survey of the players who beat him, or of his fans? :)

GOAT = Fed
05-17-2012, 06:37 AM
So.....the apparent greatest tennis player of all time has the same expiration date as everyone else :scratch:

As a Djokovic fan, I, too, hope he murders Fed (if they play) but I would at least expect his tards to realize that Federer transcends age.

Lol not sure if serious or just deluded.........

samanosuke
05-17-2012, 06:53 AM
why would somebody waste a time by quoting topspinjunk with reasonable post? or you clean a floor with him or you aren't bothered with his existence

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 07:00 AM
Lol not sure if serious or just deluded.........

Yes. Federer hasn't won anything recently or risen back to No. 2 (and got his tards talking about No. 1 again). Nope.

Most 30-year-olds win the WTF and a couple of Masters. No biggie :cool:

rickcastle
05-17-2012, 07:32 AM
Beating Federer will always mean something just like beating Sampras always meant something even when he has declined and almost on retirement, just ask Federer himself. But it is deluded to think that beating Federer today means as much as beating Federer during his peak years does. Also, I would think today's biggest scalp would be the no.1's, Djokovic. To say otherwise is an insult to Djokovic's credibility as the no. 1. So in a match between Federer and Djokovic, Djokovic winning against Federer - while a great honor winning against the slam record holder - should also be expected (no.1 triumphing over a player of lesser ranking, Federer is almost 6 years older than Djokovic, Djokovic is in his peak years) while Federer winning Djokovic would be an upset because more odds are stacked against him.

All this faux-hailing of Federer as some sort of invincible demi God that cannot succumb to age is just to hype Djokovic's peak years which is a shame because Djokovic's peak doesn't need anymore hyping, it speaks for itself. Federer is six years older than Djokovic. Six years is fucking eternity in a sport like tennis, hell Federer won 15 of his 16 slams in 6 years, that's how much difference 6 years make.

Corey Feldman
05-17-2012, 12:54 PM
why would somebody waste a time by quoting topspinjunk with reasonable post? or you clean a floor with him or you aren't bothered with his existencebeats me but there are some crack junkies that cant resist a mental challenge

Rumour
05-17-2012, 04:09 PM
Beating Federer will always mean something just like beating Sampras always meant something even when he has declined and almost on retirement, just ask Federer himself. But it is deluded to think that beating Federer today means as much as beating Federer during his peak years does. Also, I would think today's biggest scalp would be the no.1's, Djokovic. To say otherwise is an insult to Djokovic's credibility as the no. 1. So in a match between Federer and Djokovic, Djokovic winning against Federer - while a great honor winning against the slam record holder - should also be expected (no.1 triumphing over a player of lesser ranking, Federer is almost 6 years older than Djokovic, Djokovic is in his peak years) while Federer winning Djokovic would be an upset because more odds are stacked against him.

All this faux-hailing of Federer as some sort of invincible demi God that cannot succumb to age is just to hype Djokovic's peak years which is a shame because Djokovic's peak doesn't need anymore hyping, it speaks for itself. Federer is six years older than Djokovic. Six years is fucking eternity in a sport like tennis, hell Federer won 15 of his 16 slams in 6 years, that's how much difference 6 years make.

:worship:

BTW, been meaning to ask for a while but keep forgetting... Are you a fan of the TV show Castle or is your choice of username a coincidence?

rickcastle
05-17-2012, 04:20 PM
:worship:

BTW, been meaning to ask for a while but keep forgetting... Are you a fan of the TV show Castle or is your choice of username a coincidence?

Yes I am a fan of the show Castle and Kate Beckett is my favorite character but thought Castle's name is a more appropriate screenname because I'm a guy :)

sexybeast
05-17-2012, 04:25 PM
So.....the apparent greatest tennis player of all time has the same expiration date as everyone else :scratch:

As a Djokovic fan, I, too, hope he murders Fed (if they play) but I would at least expect his tards to realize that Federer transcends age.

Yes, Federer has an expiration date. No, he doesnt transcend age.

Clay is the surface where decreased ability to move hurts you alot, there have been no 30+ with major success on clay for 40 years now. Everything Federer is able to do on clay at this age is a bonus from now on.

Orka_n
05-17-2012, 04:34 PM
So.....the apparent greatest tennis player of all time has the same expiration date as everyone else :scratch:Well not EXACTLY the same expiration date, I doubt Djokovic will be #2 at 30 years old.

As a Djokovic fan, I, too, hope he murders Fed (if they play) but I would at least expect his tards to realize that Federer transcends age."Federer transcends age"? :haha: only noletards

Rumour
05-17-2012, 04:43 PM
Yes I am a fan of the show Castle and Kate Beckett is my favorite character but thought Castle's name is a more appropriate screenname because I'm a guy :)
She's awesome too and together they make a great pairing - not even necessarily as a romantic couple (I'm waaay behind unfortunately as I've only watched up to S2 so I don't know if/how that angle of their relationship has developed) but how their different personalities complement each other. And I'm female so by all means feel free to put Nathan Fillion in your avatar any time for me to ogle - or you could put Stana Katic there as well, I doubt too many here would mind ;)

rickcastle
05-17-2012, 04:52 PM
She's awesome too and together they make a great pairing - not even necessarily as a romantic couple (I'm waaay behind unfortunately as I've only watched up to S2 so I don't know if/how that angle of their relationship has developed) but how their different personalities complement each other. And I'm female so by all means feel free to put Nathan Fillion in your avatar any time for me to ogle - or you could put Stana Katic there as well, I doubt too many here would mind ;)

Season 4 finale is great, you should start watching again! :) Nathan Fillion is great, I've liked him since Firefly and Stana Katic is just really gorgeous.

Rumour
05-17-2012, 05:19 PM
Season 4 finale is great, you should start watching again! :) Nathan Fillion is great, I've liked him since Firefly and Stana Katic is just really gorgeous.
I definitely plan on getting caught up eventually but, with local TV being slow to air current shows and not having a dish, I have to resort to less... er, legitimate means of watching newer episodes.

Back to tennis: I find it curious that Federer fans are often accused of putting him on a pedestal, yet some hardcore followers of other players are apparently only too happy to put him there themselves when it suits their purposes i.e. to elevate the status of their own faves :confused:

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 05:34 PM
Well not EXACTLY the same expiration date, I doubt Djokovic will be #2 at 30 years old.

"Federer transcends age"? :haha: only noletards

So let me get this straight: you doubt very few people can be No. 2 at age 30, then laugh when I say "Federer transcends age"

You feeling OK? You even know what you're laughing at?

Orka_n
05-17-2012, 05:53 PM
So let me get this straight: you doubt very few people can be No. 2 at age 30, then laugh when I say "Federer transcends age"

You feeling OK? You even know what you're laughing at?Was that hard for you to understand? Oh my.
Yes, Federer is aging with style. But he does not in any way transcend age. He is declining physically just like every human being eventually does. This has has nothing to do with being the greatest of all time or not.
Clear enough for you?

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 06:05 PM
Do you even know what "transcend" means?

a : to rise above or go beyond the limits of
b : to triumph over the negative or restrictive aspects of : overcome

Ergo, Federer transcends age. The RESULTS speak for themselves.

rocketassist
05-17-2012, 06:06 PM
Do you even know what "transcend" means?



Ergo, Federer transcends age. The RESULTS speak for themselves.

It doesn't mean he's the same level as he was in his prime. He's still a big scalp for anyone but beating him in his prime was a bigger achievement.

GOAT = Fed
05-17-2012, 06:11 PM
Do you even know what "transcend" means?



Ergo, Federer transcends age. The RESULTS speak for themselves.

So Federer is super human who will never age?

Mind = blown.

Orka_n
05-17-2012, 06:12 PM
Do you even know what "transcend" means?I do, but you obviously don't. Federer is not above nor has he overcome time. He has adapted to it well, but he is not the player he was in his prime. And we all know you only want him to be in order to make your own hero's achievements more impressive.

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 06:21 PM
I do, but you obviously don't. Federer is not above nor has he overcome time. He has adapted to it well, but he is not the player he was in his prime. And we all know you only want him to be in order to make your own hero's achievements more impressive.

It doesn't mean he's the same level as he was in his prime. He's still a big scalp for anyone but beating him in his prime was a bigger achievement.

You Fed fans are a really insecure bunch, you know that? As soon as someone remarks about how well he's doing despite his age, it's automatically assumed that they're saying that he's in his prime.

No one said prime. No one said Fed is the same player. No one said this is 2006. Yet I have 2 Fed fans, back-to-back, accusing me of it.

So Federer is super human who will never age?

Mind = blown.

You're almost as derp as your avatar :worship:

Orka_n
05-17-2012, 06:28 PM
You Fed fans are a really insecure bunch, you know that? As soon as someone remarks about how well he's doing despite his age, it's automatically assumed that they're saying that he's in his prime.

No one said prime. No one said Fed is the same player. No one said this is 2006. Yet I have 2 Fed fans, back-to-back, accusing me of it.That's because you're too much of a coward to actually say it, even though you always argue as if that was your opinion. ("Federer transcends age"? :facepalm:) You've been doing that for quite a while actually

GOAT = Fed
05-17-2012, 06:30 PM
You're almost as derp as your avatar :worship:

Ha ha. At least I don't go around making dubious claims without backing them up ;)

Jamoz
05-17-2012, 06:37 PM
Was he Rolexerer or non rolexerer??

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 06:38 PM
That's because you're too much of a coward to actually say it, even though you always argue as if that was your opinion. You've been doing that for quite a while actually

Yeah...pressure me into accepting your straw man. Good strategy. :yeah:

Anyway...like I said before, his results speak for themselves. A 30-year-old being No. 2, winning Masters and other titles, winning the WTF (with his tards squawking about a return back to No. 1) is a transcendence of age. Is a 30-year-old typically said to achieve things like this? No? Isn't there usually an age limit, per se, as to how much a tennis player can achieve? Federer is "rising above and going beyond" this limit? He's....transcending this limit? :eek:

This is not in dispute.

GOAT = Fed
05-17-2012, 06:53 PM
Yeah...pressure me into accepting your straw man. Good strategy. :yeah:

Anyway...like I said before, his results speak for themselves. A 30-year-old being No. 2, winning Masters and other titles, winning the WTF (with his tards squawking about a return back to No. 1) is a transcendence of age. Is a 30-year-old typically said to achieve things like this? No? Isn't there usually an age limit, per se, as to how much a tennis player can achieve? Federer is "rising above and going beyond" this limit? He's....transcending this limit? :eek:

This is not in dispute.

Well quite a lot of 30+ year olds have won slams....

...Federer hasn't won one yet into his 30s.

sexybeast
05-17-2012, 07:06 PM
Since 1974 when a 34 year old Nikola Pilić reached the final of Roland Garros the number of players turning 30 the year they reached the final has been:

1982: Vilas
1990:Gómez
2011:Federer

The number of players reaching the final of RG since then at the year when they turn 31 has been: 0

Orka_n
05-17-2012, 07:08 PM
Yeah...pressure me into accepting your straw man. Good strategy. :yeah:I remember a while back when you downright refused to answer if you thought Fed had declined or not. Funny stuff.

Anyway...like I said before, his results speak for themselves. A 30-year-old being No. 2, winning Masters and other titles, winning the WTF (with his tards squawking about a return back to No. 1) is a transcendence of age. Is a 30-year-old typically said to achieve things like this? No? Isn't there usually an age limit, per se, as to how much a tennis player can achieve? Federer is "rising above and going beyond" this limit? He's....transcending this limit? :eek:First of all you said transcending age not age limit, secondly there is no such thing as an actual age limit. Thanks anyway

MIMIC
05-17-2012, 07:30 PM
I remember a while back when you downright refused to answer if you thought Fed had declined or not. Funny stuff.

Well I've since said he HAS, so.....

First of all you said transcending age not age limit

Uhh, same difference? Furthermore (if you want to be picky and split hairs), he's doing BOTH.

secondly there is no such thing as an actual age limit. Thanks anyway

It's a CONCEPT :facepalm: Of course there's no actual age limit.

Can a 2-month-old baby play tennis? Well then OBVIOUSLY the "age limit" is beyond 2 months old. Why are you being so difficult? I mean did I REALLY have to explain that?

Well quite a lot of 30+ year olds have won slams....

...Federer hasn't won one yet into his 30s.

A lot of the past tennis greats transcend age; Fed's just the latest one. And I'm sure a lot of people EXPECT him to win a slam in his 30s, too.

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sexybeast
05-17-2012, 07:39 PM
A lot of the past tennis greats transcend age; Fed's just the latest one. And I'm sure a lot of people EXPECT him to win a slam in his 30s, too.

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I do expect him to win more than one slam in his 30s, if he would not be able to win a slam in his 30s it would be a minor failure in his resume.

I just dont expect him to win RG at 31, I dont even expect Nadal to ever win RG when he turns 30.