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Rome R2: Murray def. Nalbandian 6-1, 4-6, 7-5

Mongoose
05-15-2012, 06:22 PM
good match

MachineGun
05-15-2012, 06:22 PM
Luck and Pushing won.

Tennis lost.

BroTree123
05-15-2012, 06:22 PM
Typical Fatclownian capitulation.

Drugs Ruin Lives
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
Tennis loses.

Lestat
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
good match.

rocketassist
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
Sick match. Last two sets were brilliant. Although Murray played some great stuff, Nalby played the better tennis.

Fumus
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
Nalbandian to win the FO!!!

Johnny Groove
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
Great match, little unlucky with the net cord winner to get the final break was Dave.

Still a good showing from Nalbandian, and with a good draw could make the 2nd week of RG.

Orka_n
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
And then when serving for the match, Murray down 30-40 and he hits a rushed shot DTL than just touches the line. :haha: Andy will get taken out once he faces a decent player.

Ben.
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
Like clockwork this Nalbandian.

Action Jackson
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
Nalbandian very irritable in the 1st set. Got it out of his system then started playing some outstanding tennis. Pythagoras theorem was in full show, some excellent dropshots as well.

Murray breaking for *6-5 on a dead netcord on his birthday, it's your day.

Good to see a match that wasn't just ballbashing, using the whole court.

Tutu
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
Lucky fool. :lol: Didn't do anything that entire third set bar a few good serves, but gets away with it.

yesh222
05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
Great match. Such a disappointing way to get the final break though.

HeretiC
05-15-2012, 06:24 PM
I did not expect such high quality match. Good stuff.

rocketassist
05-15-2012, 06:24 PM
Nalbandian very irritable in the 1st set. Got it out of his system then started playing some outstanding tennis. Pythagoras theorem was in full show, some excellent dropshots as well.

Murray breaking for *6-5 on a dead netcord on his birthday, it's your day.

Good to see a match that wasn't just ballbashing, using the whole court.

That. No ballbashing down the middle or moonballing.

tennishero
05-15-2012, 06:24 PM
murray's luck in this match was sickening.

tennis lost.

timafi
05-15-2012, 06:25 PM
gosh David I feel sorry that you always seem to be scared to win against the likes of Murray who you beat :hug: :mad:

syc23
05-15-2012, 06:25 PM
Great Britain 1 Agentina 0 ;)

Sweet net cord in the end :devil:

espana
05-15-2012, 06:25 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5mgFtoV8jlU/T7KfdRlJgKI/AAAAAAAAAUo/I_eGLHF3a7s/s1600/Nalbandian-AMurray.jpg

Corey Feldman
05-15-2012, 06:25 PM
real tennis won

BOL Muzza and happy BD you big ostrich

Nalbandian, born to be a choker once and for all :wavey:

Noleta
05-15-2012, 06:26 PM
Didn't expect this showing from Nalby:yeah:Impressive shots,but Muzzah was a bit better overall:shrug:

AntiTennis
05-15-2012, 06:26 PM
Great match, enjoyed it, btw..this is clay

Voo de Mar
05-15-2012, 06:27 PM
Good match, the net-cord helped Murray, the same net-cord helped Djokovic last year in the semifinal with Murray.

Lahyani still in Spanish mood, probably too many matches he umpired in Madrid last week, I heard he said today "gana tres uno" instead of "conduce tre uno" :lol:

philosophicalarf
05-15-2012, 06:27 PM
Murray went to sleep in the second (does that too often after a dominant opener), then donated away the set at the end. Was expecting 6/1 7/6 till then.

Third set was a lot of fun to watch.

Noleta
05-15-2012, 06:27 PM
And a cake for Muzzah:yeah:That's why Nalby lost,he's on a diet:p;)

Ibracadabra
05-15-2012, 06:27 PM
Atleast nalby showed good signs. Nalbandian has had zero luck for too luck.

reery
05-15-2012, 06:27 PM
If Murray reaches the SF of RG, which I doubt, he will be a bye in SF for whoever gets him. :lol:

kiriri***
05-15-2012, 06:28 PM
1st set was terrible but 2nd and 3rd sets were very good match:)

J99
05-15-2012, 06:29 PM
Just a brutal match to watch, way too many drop shots, neither player had any rhythm, nor much energy, Murray wasn't moving well, back could explain that and his poor level today, there were some nice points here and there, for the most part it was tough though, Nalby had way more errors than winners, Murray had more errors than winners, not enough proper offensive rallies, just trying to end points early with net play/drop shots, serving was poor, Nalby can't win 2nd serve PTS to save his life.

rocketassist
05-15-2012, 06:29 PM
If Murray reaches the SF of RG, which I doubt, he will be a bye in SF for whoever gets him. :lol:

Federer and Murray same half, we all want it.

Jverweij
05-15-2012, 06:30 PM
looks like Dave the fave put up a good fight. I am pleased. This also makes this a good victory for Murray though. Atleast no cakewalk draw for him :)

tennishero
05-15-2012, 06:30 PM
truly a bullshit match. my murray hate has gone up 200%.

martyn
05-15-2012, 06:30 PM
Respect to both players, some terrific stuff from both guys in the latter stages. Couldn't have complained if nalby took it, some vintage stuff and great angles from him. Murray's backhand started firing towards the end, hopefully this test is what he needs to launch himself into a good tournament.

Usual suspects filling this thread with biterness, change the record you utter bores.

reery
05-15-2012, 06:30 PM
Federer and Murray same half, we all want it.

:yeah:

mooncreek
05-15-2012, 06:30 PM
You wonder if Nalby is yelling at the gods for losing matches like this. Don't leave bottles of water around after this one.

That netcord was Andy's birthday gift.

Orka_n
05-15-2012, 06:30 PM
Federer and Murray same half, we all want it.Fed will win that one easily though. He will dropshot him to death.

Mark Lenders
05-15-2012, 06:31 PM
Terrible. Tennis clearly lost here.

Still, good signs from Nalbandian and some jizz-worthy shotmaking. But please, Nalby, don't just show up to play the top 5 players. Get fit and have a late career surge, please. Tennis wins when Nalbandian is playing well.

Ferrer, Murray, Simon and Gasquet in the same section of the draw :facepalm: This section will be mugged to no end, push, push, push... Hope Murray makes it, though, he's the lesser of four evils.

Sunset of Age
05-15-2012, 06:31 PM
Apart from that 1st set (wtf Nalbandian :o) very entertaining match.
Sapeod was out there, transformed into the net cord.

Congrats Muzza and happy BD!

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 06:31 PM
Nice luck there but since Murray winning is good for tennis it's all good. Tennis wins and Murray wins on his birthday. Happy birthday, Andy!
Luck and Pushing won.

Tennis lost.

Tennis loses.

And then when serving for the match, Murray down 30-40 and he hits a rushed shot DTL than just touches the line. :haha: Andy will get taken out once he faces a decent player.

Lucky fool. :lol: Didn't do anything that entire third set bar a few good serves, but gets away with it.

murray's luck in this match was sickening.

tennis lost.

if there was any fairness, nalbandian would have won.


at least murray gained more haters.
:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

As usual, the Murray haters cry like a bunch of babies :haha:
Atleast nalby showed good signs. Nalbandian has had zero luck for too luck.
:spit:

rocketassist
05-15-2012, 06:31 PM
Fed will win that one easily though. He will dropshot him to death.

I'm not fussed if he does, I just want Rafole in the other half so they can beat each other up and allow the winner from the bottom half to feast on the carcass.

E-r-i-c
05-15-2012, 06:31 PM
happy for Andy won on the birthday.
I hate the draw

Deathless Mortal
05-15-2012, 06:32 PM
Great Britain 1 Agentina 0 ;)

Sweet net cord in the end :devil:

It almost was Argentina 1 Scotland 0, right? ;)

Noleta
05-15-2012, 06:32 PM
Apart from that 1st set (wtf Nalbandian :o) very entertaining match.
Sapeod was out there, transformed into the net cord.

Congrats Muzza and happy BD!

:superlol:

Corey Feldman
05-15-2012, 06:32 PM
bad news is Muzza hit 25

stats say if you dont get a slam by 24, you will struggle to win one

and 24 is the peak year, look at Nole last year and Fed 2006, Nadal 2010

tennishero
05-15-2012, 06:32 PM
never seen a player with so much luck on court.

oh well, at least nalby has a TMC, defeating Federer in a final. (yes defeating, not getting thrashed)

tennishero
05-15-2012, 06:33 PM
bad news is Muzza hit 25

stats say if you dont get a slam by 24, you will struggle to win one

and 24 is the peak year, look at Nole last year and Fed 2006, Nadal 2010

well then, that makes my day.

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 06:34 PM
Terrible. Tennis clearly lost here.
Tennis clearly won. The overall better player won. Murray winning = tennis winning.

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 06:35 PM
well then, that makes my day.
Your Murray hate knows no bounds.

Murray's career >>> Nalbandian's career. Have a nice day :hatoff:

scoobs
05-15-2012, 06:35 PM
Very good win for Murray 61 46 75 - yes he got some luck breaking on a dead letcord but then David let him get to 0-40 in that game and was ripe for something like that. Murray really had to withstand a mauling from Nalbandian in the second and third sets - it was a brutal encounter, long teasing rallies with pace, angles, all sorts of tricky stuff to get each other moving.

Great to watch.

Action Jackson
05-15-2012, 06:35 PM
Ok, we talk about the Murray and Nalbandian match.

Not Maradona
Not Nadal
Not Federer or Djokovic

Moozza
05-15-2012, 06:37 PM
And then when serving for the match, Murray down 30-40 and he hits a rushed shot DTL than just touches the line. :haha: Andy will get taken out once he faces a decent player.

So when he doesn't go for his shots he is 'pushing', when he does go for them and makes him he is lucky?

MuzzahLovah
05-15-2012, 06:37 PM
I wish I would have watched the whole thing, there were some very interesting rallies that I did catch.

Fireballer
05-15-2012, 06:38 PM
and happy birthday Andy nice win

J99
05-15-2012, 06:38 PM
Murray might need all the luck in the world vs Gascan, it won't be his Bday then helping him perform miracles.

nole_no1
05-15-2012, 06:38 PM
Good quality but Nalbandian beat himself as usual in the end

Fireballer
05-15-2012, 06:38 PM
shame Murray is in Rafa's half in Rome

philosophicalarf
05-15-2012, 06:39 PM
never seen a player with so much luck on court.



It was triple bp. A netcord is only one point.

After Murray donated away the break in the third, he won the rest of the match pretty solidly: 6-2 in games, and 29 to 17 in points.

That's not luck, it's simply the better player stepping up and seizing the match.

Should really have been straight sets, but the win is what counts.

J99
05-15-2012, 06:40 PM
shame Murray is in Rafa's half in Rome

Never mind Rafa, he's got Gascan and Ferrer before that, which he most likely won't get past, never beaten Ferrer on clay before.

Action Jackson
05-15-2012, 06:41 PM
As much as I wanted Nalbandian to win the match, he had 15-40 in the last game on Murray's serve and couldn't convert his chances. Breaking on a netcord well it's not like they can play the point again, that's part of the sport some days it works for you and others it doesn't.

Orka_n
05-15-2012, 06:42 PM
So when he doesn't go for his shots he is 'pushing', when he does go for them and makes him he is lucky?When he hits net cords and outside of lines on break points then yes. That would go for any player btw.

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 06:46 PM
So when he doesn't go for his shots he is 'pushing', when he does go for them and makes him he is lucky?
Pretty much, yes. This is what I like to call "complete bullshit". The only lucky shots were the netcords. The shots on the lines were not lucky, they were just very good placement.

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 06:47 PM
When he hits net cords and outside of lines on break points then yes. That would go for any player btw.
You can't call every shot he hit on the outside of the lines lucky. That's just ridiculous. The only shots that are lucky are the netcords because they actually rely on luck most of the time. Murray was wanting to hit the ball as close to the lines as possible and he did a lot of the time. That's not luck, that's just a good shot.

Moozza
05-15-2012, 06:51 PM
Good match for Murray to win, coming through a tight match will give him confidence.

Nalbandian played well, especially considering how poor he was in the first set.

out_grinder
05-15-2012, 06:51 PM
Murray has declined so hard after AO 2012 semi.

His backhand is misfiring, defence has declined, movement is noticeably slower.

What the hell is Lendl doing?

Oh well, I guess even the best coach can't turn back the biological clock.

Moozza
05-15-2012, 06:52 PM
You can't call every shot he hit on the outside of the lines lucky. That's just ridiculous. The only shots that are lucky are the netcords because they actually rely on luck most of the time. Murray was wanting to hit the ball as close to the lines as possible and he did a lot of the time. That's not luck, that's just a good shot.

Exactly, if you aim for a line and hit it, that is just good play.

Moozza
05-15-2012, 06:54 PM
Murray has declined so hard after AO 2012 semi.

His backhand is misfiring, defence has declined, movement is noticeably slower.

What the hell is Lendl doing?

Oh well, I guess even the best coach can't turn back the biological clock.

Murray hasn't declined. Out of form though?
Yes.

Hopefully this match will help him get back to his best though.

reery
05-15-2012, 06:55 PM
Murray has declined so hard after AO 2012 semi.

His backhand is misfiring, defence has declined, movement is noticeably slower.

What the hell is Lendl doing?

Oh well, I guess even the best coach can't turn back the biological clock.

It's a shame. I thought he might win a slam this year, USO most likely but I think in the end it might be Djoko who wins there.

Deathless Mortal
05-15-2012, 06:57 PM
And again my harmless post ridiculously deleted when it was just a reply to the post that by the way wasn't deleted :stupid:

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 06:57 PM
Murray has declined so hard after AO 2012 semi.

His backhand is misfiring, defence has declined, movement is noticeably slower.

What the hell is Lendl doing?

Oh well, I guess even the best coach can't turn back the biological clock.

Anna-Cone did :worship: Fed was :rain: but now :umbrella:

Allez
05-15-2012, 06:59 PM
Wow! Didn't think Murray would manage to pull this off :D:D:D: Fantastc!!!!!!!!!! :worship:

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 07:02 PM
Where was that burger seller when Dave was in trouble!!?? Couple of Big Mac's and he would have been winner for certain. Burger for Dave is like a Mushroom for Mario.

Hian-GOAT
05-15-2012, 07:04 PM
Luck and Pushing won.

Tennis lost.

This x 1000.

I cannot believe that Murray has some fans, he is really boring.

David :facepalm: Big, big chance wasted.

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 07:06 PM
This x 1000.

I cannot believe that Murray has some fans, he is really boring.

David :facepalm: Big, big chance wasted.
He has fans because he is a nice guy off court who has a sense of humour and is great to watch. There's nothing about him that anyone can hate except for his occasional outbursts of anger that all players get, his negative looking body language which is just how he is on court and his "boring game" which isn't actually boring at all.

decrepitude
05-15-2012, 07:07 PM
Some complain Andy was pushing, others complain because he was hitting the lines. . .:lol:

BauerAlmeida
05-15-2012, 07:08 PM
Murray was lucky with that netcord.

Nalbandián played better, but it was a great match.

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 07:09 PM
He has fans because he is a nice guy off court who has a sense of humour and is great to watch. There's nothing about him that anyone can hate except for his outburts of anger that all players get and his "boring game" which isn't actually boring at all.

Son, now sit down and listen to me. Murray is not great to watch, he is boring, boring and boring. Just look Lendl's face, even he looks bored.

Moozza
05-15-2012, 07:09 PM
Some complain Andy was pushing, others complain because he was hitting the lines. . .:lol:

exactly what I was saying.

It's hilarious!:lol::lol::lol:

Gagsquet
05-15-2012, 07:12 PM
Lose this round or the next what the point. Muzza should have tanked.

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 07:14 PM
Son, now sit down and listen to me. Murray is not great to watch, he is boring, boring and boring. Just look Lendl's face, even he looks bored.
Well, I listened and what I've learned from your post is that you haven't got a clue about Murray. Unfortunately for you, I won't listen to people who have no idea what they're talking about. Doubly unfortunate for you is that these "Murray is boring" posts have gotten boring a long time ago, so you came across as boring :yawn:

Tennis-Life
05-15-2012, 07:15 PM
Happy for Andy, job done no matter how :cool:

Arkulari
05-15-2012, 07:16 PM
Is anyone truly expecting Nalbandian to do anything worth of note on tour? Come on guys, he had good seasons but was never actually even GS material since 2002, and his TMS winning days finished in 2007. :shrug:

I don't like Murray but right now Nalby cannot handle a level like his.

Tennis-Life
05-15-2012, 07:16 PM
Son, now sit down and listen to me. Murray is not great to watch, he is boring, boring and boring. Just look Lendl's face, even he looks bored.

:confused:

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 07:17 PM
Lose this round or the next what the point. Muzza should have tanked.
He should've tanked? That is an insult to any player that fights as hard as they can. Get out of here you poor excuse for a tennis fan.

BauerAlmeida
05-15-2012, 07:17 PM
Son, now sit down and listen to me. Murray is not great to watch, he is boring, boring and boring. Just look Lendl's face, even he looks bored.

:spit::spit::spit:

ServeVolley
05-15-2012, 07:18 PM
Murray was lucky here... I was sure Nalbandian would win after he broke Murray in the third. :shrug:

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 07:18 PM
Well, I listened and what I've learned from your post is that you haven't got a clue about Murray. Unfortunately for you, I won't listen to people who have no idea what they're talking about. Doubly unfortunate for you is that these "Murray is boring" posts have gotten boring a long time ago, so you came across as boring :yawn:

Now that was painful :rolleyes::D i was watching Tennis when you were hanging in your father's "daddy bags" Don't come to tell me what i know about Tennis and what i do not know.

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 07:21 PM
Now that was painful :rolleyes::D i was watching Tennis when you were hanging in your father's "daddy bags" Don't come to tell me what i know about Tennis and what i do not know.
You're far older than me, great for you. Also, I didn't say anything about you not knowing about tennis. Obviously you can't read very well because I said you have no idea about Murray, not tennis. And I'm correct because you said he's boring. Anyone who calls Murray boring obviously doesn't know him very well. You called him boring, you have no idea what you're talking about, you don't know Murray very well, end of story.

syc23
05-15-2012, 07:22 PM
Murray could've given up and headed straight to Paris but didn't.

FatDave had the match virtually in the bag at 3-1. He didn't close it off and deserved to lose. Deal with it.

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 07:22 PM
:confused:

What?? For me he is boring to watch. I know some people like to watch him, but for me he is :zzz: And this is nothing personal for you folks out there.

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 07:24 PM
You're far older than me, great for you. Also, I didn't say anything about you not knowing about tennis. Obviously you can't read very well because I said you have no idea about Murray, not tennis. And I'm correct because you said he's boring. Anyone who calls Murray boring obviously doesn't know him very well. You called him boring, you have no idea what you're talking about, you don't know Murray very well, end of story.

Well he plays Tennis?? or something like that (i think)...:eek:

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 07:25 PM
Well he plays Tennis?? or something like that (i think)...:eek:
There's a difference between knowing about tennis and knowing about a specific player. Hopefully, you understand this.

henke007
05-15-2012, 07:28 PM
looks like tennis lost again

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 07:29 PM
There's a difference between knowing about tennis and knowing about a specific player. Hopefully, you understand this.


Damn :D You are a stubborn one! just like my son and same age too :D But okay ;) peace out.

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 07:30 PM
Damn :D You are a stubborn one! just like my son and same age too :D But okay ;) peace out.
It seems like you understand. Excellent.

Shirogane
05-15-2012, 07:34 PM
:sad: So close. In a way, that cruel net cord makes it easier to accept the loss. Some truly exquisite play from Dave in the second and third sets. :worship:

decrepitude
05-15-2012, 07:43 PM
What?? For me he is boring to watch. I know some people like to watch him, but for me he is :zzz: And this is nothing personal for you folks out there.

Fair enough. I find Andy far from boring, and ball-bashers bore me to tears. So, each to his own. The difference is that I don't go on threads and complain about the ball-bashing.

I have been watching tennis for about 55 years, so I can't be accused of being too young to understand.

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 07:46 PM
Fair enough. I find Andy far from boring, and ball-bashers bore me to tears. So, each to his own. The difference is that I don't go on threads and complain about the ball-bashing.

I have been watching tennis for about 55 years, so I can't be accused of being too young to understand.

I salute you :worship: No i do not like "ball bashers" and Dave is not definetly one. Murray is just too passive for my taste, i like good "attacking" tennis ;)

guga2120
05-15-2012, 07:48 PM
Good match. Fat Dave almost drop shotted Mandy out of Rome. Hopefully Andy keeps it up atleast to the qf against ferrer.

Great to see an actual clay court match, almost makes you forget about all that mindless ballbashing last week.

HeretiC
05-15-2012, 07:48 PM
Make no mistake, Murray played the most offensive tennis in the first set he hasn't played like since - ages ago. And the score was a little bit deceptive at 5-1, Nalbandian had 15:40 to break back and 4 game points in that 15 minutes service game. Could have been easily 3-3 despite Murray playing that good and opponent throwing UEs and DFs here and there. But funny thing is that kind of game only motivated Nalbandian and he did not allow Murray to repeat it in the next 2 sets. I am not sure what is going on with Murray first serve cause Nalbandian started to read it exceptionally well (was it the speed)? Nalbandian always throws 1-2 awful service games per set and in the end that was just what Murray needed, cause he wasn't winning longer rallies and got outsmarted and outplayed in most of cat and mouse play. Lucky or not, it doesn't matter, he is in the next round, but the best thing is that we watched an excellent match. :yeah:

Sapeod
05-15-2012, 07:53 PM
What the!! Let's just say that i have no patience, or time to argue with children in the net. :D
That's fine by me. I don't need to waste my time any longer.

Jamoz
05-15-2012, 07:54 PM
Fine by me.

But still, it's nice to see some young fans in here too ;)

rhinooooo
05-15-2012, 07:54 PM
There was some beautiful stuff in this match...

Some of the point construction from Nalbi was out of this world, especially on the longer points.

J99
05-15-2012, 08:13 PM
Make no mistake, Murray played the most offensive tennis in the first set he hasn't played like since - ages ago. And the score was a little bit deceptive at 5-1, Nalbandian had 15:40 to break back and 4 game points in that 15 minutes service game. Could have been easily 3-3 despite Murray playing that good and opponent throwing UEs and DFs here and there. But funny thing is that kind of game only motivated Nalbandian and he did not allow Murray to repeat it in the next 2 sets. I am not sure what is going on with Murray first serve cause Nalbandian started to read it exceptionally well (was it the speed)? Nalbandian always throws 1-2 awful service games per set and in the end that was just what Murray needed, cause he wasn't winning longer rallies and got outsmarted and outplayed in most of cat and mouse play. Lucky or not, it doesn't matter, he is in the next round, but the best thing is that we watched an excellent match. :yeah:

1.Ha, ok, I think not.

2.No, Nalby's always been a good returner, and Murray a crap server.

Ibracadabra
05-15-2012, 08:44 PM
Better player lost of course. As is the state of tennis now.

buzz
05-15-2012, 08:47 PM
Make no mistake, Murray played the most offensive tennis in the first set he hasn't played like since - ages ago. And the score was a little bit deceptive at 5-1, Nalbandian had 15:40 to break back and 4 game points in that 15 minutes service game. Could have been easily 3-3 despite Murray playing that good and opponent throwing UEs and DFs here and there. But funny thing is that kind of game only motivated Nalbandian and he did not allow Murray to repeat it in the next 2 sets. I am not sure what is going on with Murray first serve cause Nalbandian started to read it exceptionally well (was it the speed)? Nalbandian always throws 1-2 awful service games per set and in the end that was just what Murray needed, cause he wasn't winning longer rallies and got outsmarted and outplayed in most of cat and mouse play. Lucky or not, it doesn't matter, he is in the next round, but the best thing is that we watched an excellent match. :yeah:

Nalby is no return mug! Even Federer regularly 'struggles' with his serve against him.

HeretiC
05-15-2012, 08:47 PM
1.Ha, ok, I think not.

2.No, Nalby's always been a good returner, and Murray a crap server.

They are both good returners, and Murray first serve is very good, his second is awful, so is Nalbandians, but also Nalbandian first serve is too inconsistent and usually bad.


Talk about sleep inducing, neither player has been that good, the match just keeps dragging until the death knell.

If you like drop shots this is your match.

If he produced this tennis he would not even be top 100.

Just a brutal match to watch, way too many drop shots, neither player had any rhythm, nor much energy, Murray wasn't moving well, back could explain that and his poor level today, there were some nice points here and there, for the most part it was tough though, Nalby had way more errors than winners, Murray had more errors than winners, not enough proper offensive rallies, just trying to end points early with net play/drop shots, serving was poor, Nalby can't win 2nd serve PTS to save his life.
You are certainly entitled to have your own opinion, even if it is unique in the whole world.

LastRocket
05-15-2012, 08:54 PM
Nalby still has some leftovers. Pushray will end the year out of the top4. No one can help him not even lendl. How to transform a pusher? no one has a solution and no one ever will.

TigerTim
05-15-2012, 08:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vfxvcCddq0&feature=related

dunno if already posted, highlights

HeretiC
05-15-2012, 09:02 PM
Nalby is no return mug! Even Federer regularly 'struggles' with his serve against him.

I was talking about first serve, Nalby always returns second serves exceptionally well, but when it comes to first serve sometimes he can read them ok, sometimes not at all, he lost Paris 2008 because of that, he couldn't get a single read on Tsonga first serve. Today he did it well, better than the last 4 matches against Murray and that is why I asked about Murray first serve speed.

J99
05-15-2012, 09:03 PM
They are both good returners, and Murray first serve is very good, his second is awful, so is Nalbandians, but also Nalbandian first serve is too inconsistent and usually bad.




You are certainly entitled to have your own opinion, even if it is unique in the whole world.

Ok, so maybe Nalby wasn't playing quite that poorly, but so far in Rome the tennis has been quite poor, way too many errors so far, I almost feel like I'm watching challenger matches.

Murray's 1st serve yes is alright, if he's serving it in, which he almost always has trouble at doing.

What I said about Murray's performance though was pretty bang on.

If you think otherwise that's fine.

LastRocket
05-15-2012, 09:04 PM
Ok, so maybe Nalby wasn't playing quite that poorly, but so far in Rome the tennis has been quite poor, way too many errors so far, I almost feel like I'm watching challenger matches.

Murray's 1st serve yes is alright, if he's serving it in, which he almost always has trouble at doing.

Agree tennis hasn't been so great so far in Rome. I miss the blue clay.........

Nole fan
05-15-2012, 09:14 PM
Solid from Murray. He's making semis again here. :yeah:

HeretiC
05-15-2012, 09:22 PM
Ok, so maybe Nalby wasn't playing quite that poorly, but so far in Rome the tennis has been quite poor, way too many errors so far, I almost feel like I'm watching challenger matches.

Murray's 1st serve yes is alright, if he's serving it in, which he almost always has trouble at doing.

What I said about Murray's performance though was pretty bang on.

If you think otherwise that's fine.

Those are not bad stats at all, number of winners are quite high for a clay match and errors came mostly out of offensive mindset, not from grinding the points until the opponent makes a mistake. And don't compare the stats with those in Madrid, those were different conditions, very fast and low bouncing, slippery enough to impair the movement, so defenders did not had a chance.

hipolymer
05-15-2012, 09:25 PM
Always a bad day for tennis when Mugray wins a match.

Orka_n
05-15-2012, 09:25 PM
He has fans because he is a nice guy off court who has a sense of humour and is great to watch. There's nothing about him that anyone can hate except for his occasional outbursts of anger that all players get, his negative looking body language which is just how he is on court and his "boring game" which isn't actually boring at all.You are about as repetitive and sleep-inducing as your idol. :( And judging by how much you're whining about other players with a defensive game (Nadal, Simon etc), I'd say you'd hate Murray's guts if only he wasn't born in the same country as you.

TigerTim
05-15-2012, 09:28 PM
You are about as repetitive and sleep-inducing as your idol. :( And judging by how much you're whining about other players with a defensive game (Nadal, Simon etc), I'd say you'd hate Murray's guts if only he wasn't born in the same country as you.

I certainly would :lol: but he's British you know, patriotism and all that!

J99
05-15-2012, 09:37 PM
Those are not bad stats at all, number of winners are quite high for a clay match and errors came mostly out of offensive mindset, not from grinding the points until the opponent makes a mistake. And don't compare the stats with those in Madrid, those were different conditions, very fast and low bouncing, slippery enough to impair the movement, so defenders did not had a chance.

If you are making more errors than winners then the stats are poor.

If you are making UE's by trying to shorten PTS with offensive impatient plays, this is no good.

HeretiC
05-15-2012, 09:53 PM
If you are making more errors than winners then the stats are poor.

If you are making UE's by trying to shorten PTS with offensive impatient plays, this is no good.

There was no shortening the points by impatient play out of position, no ball bashing, they were both constructing the points right from a textbook, those drop shots you were complaining about came after the opponent was being pushed back and aside from a baseline. They both played excellent tactically. Just because you don't like it, or you can't see it, or understand it, it doesn't mean that it is poor, just say I don't like this type of matches or that type of play and end of story, nobody can object on that. De gustibus non est disputandum.

Alex999
05-15-2012, 09:55 PM
very good match. I really enjoyed it, some great shots and vintage Nalbandian. too bad, it wasn't good enough. although, Murray is my second favorite after Nole, I was cheering for Nalby ... just couldn't help it. my old love ... Nalby, I hate you and love you at the same time :-)

J99
05-15-2012, 09:59 PM
There was no shortening the points by impatient play out of position, no ball bashing, they were both constructing the points right from a textbook, those drop shots you were complaining about came after the opponent was being pushed back and aside from a baseline. They both played excellent tactically. Just because you don't like it, or you can't see it, or understand it, it doesn't mean that it is poor, just say I don't like this type of matches or that type of play and end of story, nobody can object on that. De gustibus non est disputandum.

The main storyline was trying to hit a drop shot to end a point, Nalby was always trying to end PTS by coming into the net early, he did not want to have a baseline battle, guess his fitness is very poor right now.

There were only a handful of well constructed PTS in the match, the rest were either poor errors, or trying to end PTS quickly.

HeretiC
05-15-2012, 10:23 PM
The main storyline was trying to hit a drop shot to end a point, Nalby was always trying to end PTS by coming into the net early, he did not want to have a baseline battle, guess his fitness is very poor right now.

There were only a handful of well constructed PTS in the match, the rest were either poor errors, or trying to end PTS quickly.

Are you deliberately trolling? They are both considered as one of the best when it comes to point construction, Nalbandian with shot-making, angles and net sneaking, and Murray with placement and change of pace. Nalbandian won 22/30 net points and he only made a mistake at net a couple of times, others were drop shot points won from Murray, when he was forced to go to net. He is not S&V player and he sneaks the net exclusively after forcing the opponent wide out off court, and he wins almost all of those points, how is that early? And near the end they showed the stats for longer rallies over 10 shots, Nalbandian was leading in those.

Chris Kuerten
05-15-2012, 10:28 PM
I'm posting a little bit late, I went into a coma after watching Murray's gutless pushing :o

Certinfy
05-15-2012, 10:30 PM
Andy :yeah:

Good to see David play well again too, wouldn't have minded him taking this.

Really though that performance from Andy isn't going to be enough against Ferrer, and that's assuming he makes it past Gasquet first.

abraxas21
05-15-2012, 10:36 PM
better player won

sexybeast
05-15-2012, 10:44 PM
I ask myself over and over again: Is Nalbandian the most unlucky player of all time?

I have now seen countless of matches were bad luck at a certain point decides the outcome of the match to his disadvantage.

ossie
05-15-2012, 11:15 PM
Yes
Old man has a FH, Nadul has a FH, Djoker has a FH, Berdych has a FH, Delpo has a FH, Soderling has a FH...... Murray has peaked (decline no, but he can't get better) .Murray has good tactics, good skills, is a consistent tennis player but he doesn't have a FH, and he'll never win a GS without it. He'll be remembered as another Miloslav Mecir.wish murray himself would understand this.

fast_clay
05-15-2012, 11:21 PM
good stuff... you need to come through matches like these on your way to become french open champion

fast_clay
05-15-2012, 11:23 PM
8vfxvcCddq0

Topspindoctor
05-16-2012, 12:08 AM
Always good to see Pushray have these long marathons on clay. Hopefully he'll be nice and tired so Nadal can double bagel this pusher in SF and shatter his confidence for the rest of the year.

duchuy89
05-16-2012, 12:13 AM
Nalbandian had a good game
but no luck.

green25814
05-16-2012, 01:30 AM
The anger people here would have if Murray won a slam would be so epic.

Take RG son

Mark Lenders
05-16-2012, 01:32 AM
The anger people here would have if Murray won a slam would be so epic.

Take RG son

:lol:

The amount of bumped threads and rage/hate-filled posts would be incredible. I almost want Murray to win a Slam just to witness MTF's reaction.

Almost.

Topspindoctor
05-16-2012, 01:33 AM
The anger people here would have if Murray won a slam would be so epic.

Take RG son

:haha:

Pushray's chances of winning RG are equal to someone being mauled by a shark in sahara desert.

green25814
05-16-2012, 01:37 AM
:haha:

Pushray's chances of winning RG are equal to someone being mauled by a shark in sahara desert.

:D I can sense how angry the thought of that happening makes you

Topspindoctor
05-16-2012, 01:42 AM
Why should I be angry at things that have no chance of happening :lol:

Shinoj
05-16-2012, 05:51 AM
:haha:

Pushray's chances of winning RG are equal to someone being mauled by a shark in sahara desert.


But it is still better than you holding a racket against a Challenger level player, absolutely from anywhere.

decrepitude
05-16-2012, 07:20 AM
Make that Futures.

MurrayMagic1
05-16-2012, 07:38 AM
MTF is a truly sickening tennis forum. I really hate the term Choke and all that crap. It was a great match I really enjoyed it. So much hate for Andy its unbelievable. I really don't understand all this negative shit. some people are just filed with Bitterness and anger. You don't see me hating other players 24/7 every second of the day! Andy played great. He got some luck but that's part of the game!! He fought until the very end. That's what makes him a champion!! and when he eventually wins a slam I'll be sticking my two fingers up to all you haters

king David
05-16-2012, 08:18 AM
Murray was very lucky to win but luck is a part of the game...good match from FitDave

J99
05-16-2012, 09:37 AM
Are you deliberately trolling? They are both considered as one of the best when it comes to point construction, Nalbandian with shot-making, angles and net sneaking, and Murray with placement and change of pace. Nalbandian won 22/30 net points and he only made a mistake at net a couple of times, others were drop shot points won from Murray, when he was forced to go to net. He is not S&V player and he sneaks the net exclusively after forcing the opponent wide out off court, and he wins almost all of those points, how is that early? And near the end they showed the stats for longer rallies over 10 shots, Nalbandian was leading in those.

Why would I troll and make detailed comments about a match involving players I like.

I should amend some of my earlier comments, what I meant to say about the errors, is that at this level when hitting offensive shots, as you say, they should not be making so many errors, Nalby was playing more offensive than AM, AM still made alot of errors even though he was mostly pushing.

Nalby was trying to construct PTS, but more often than not he was making errors.

When there were rallies they were mostly just pushing it, no real construction there.

cutesteve22
05-16-2012, 09:50 AM
Mugray would lose to Gilles or even earlier.

martyn
05-16-2012, 09:52 AM
Mugray would lose to Gilles or even earlier.

Yeah, Simon is a really really bad matchup for Murray. Andy wouldn't stand a chance.

cutesteve22
05-16-2012, 09:55 AM
Always good to see Pushray have these long marathons on clay. Hopefully he'll be nice and tired so Nadal can double bagel this pusher in SF and shatter his confidence for the rest of the year.no way Murray would make semi

Sophocles
05-16-2012, 10:24 AM
Great match from what I saw, although Nalbandian's timing was off in the 1st set. Excellent, tactically astute aggressive play from both. Good win for Murray, & as for Nalbandian - will he carry on playing like this, or is it yet another false dawn?

J99
05-16-2012, 10:33 AM
Great match from what I saw, although Nalbandian's timing was off in the 1st set. Excellent, tactically astute aggressive play from both. Good win for Murray, & as for Nalbandian - will he carry on playing like this, or is it yet another false dawn?

Murray hardly knows the meaning of that word when it comes to his tennis, his temper on the other hand, if only he could channel that into his game.

Alex999
05-16-2012, 10:35 AM
MTF is a truly sickening tennis forum. I really hate the term Choke and all that crap. It was a great match I really enjoyed it. So much hate for Andy its unbelievable. I really don't understand all this negative shit. some people are just filed with Bitterness and anger. You don't see me hating other players 24/7 every second of the day! Andy played great. He got some luck but that's part of the game!! He fought until the very end. That's what makes him a champion!! and when he eventually wins a slam I'll be sticking my two fingers up to all you haters
lol, welcome to the club. you will learn how MTF operates soon I hope. Murray might win a slam and he still we'll be hated. Same happened to Djokovic, when he won his first slam back in 2008, they were threads and threads about his family, how he'll never win another slam, blah, blah... after he won 4 more, oh well ... guys, here don't BS that much any more. Now, Djoko is a champ, lol ...

There are too many guys here who post their sh!t to relieve their own frustrations ... so just get used to it, drink plenty of water and things should be fine :)

btw, where is I_Mac? she used to be so vocal ... 'oh I don't like Djokovic', oh this and oh that ... lol ...she knows nothing about tennis, she likes Rafa's a$$, yet she was pretending so well, oh women :-). since Djoko is kicking Rafa's ars, she is nowhere to be seen. well, I hope she found a man finally ...

Nole fan
05-16-2012, 10:37 AM
lol, welcome to the club. you will learn how MTF operates soon I hope. Murray might win a slam and he still we'll be hated. Same happened to Djokovic, when he won his first slam back in 2008, they were threads and threads about his family, how he'll never win another slam, blah, blah... after he won 4 more, oh well ... guys, here don't BS that much any more. Now, Djoko is a champ, lol ...

There are too many guys here who post their sh!t to relieve their own frustrations ... so just get used to it, drink plenty of water and things should be fine :)

btw, where is I_Mac? she used to be so vocal ... 'oh I don't like Djokovic', oh this and oh that ... lol ...

Yeah, it seems only Federer is untouchable here. :o

Murray gotta be along Nadal the most hated player in MTF. It's disgusting.

J99
05-16-2012, 10:47 AM
MTF is a truly sickening tennis forum. I really hate the term Choke and all that crap. It was a great match I really enjoyed it. So much hate for Andy its unbelievable. I really don't understand all this negative shit. some people are just filed with Bitterness and anger. You don't see me hating other players 24/7 every second of the day! Andy played great. He got some luck but that's part of the game!! He fought until the very end. That's what makes him a champion!! and when he eventually wins a slam I'll be sticking my two fingers up to all you haters

This coming from a blatantly biased Andy supporter, look I support Andy too, but I have no issues casting a critical eye on his game, illusions about his weaknesses and discussing them.

If you think this was a great match from Andy I'd hate to see a poor one, did you see that Andy made more errors than winners, plus he was pushing the ball for most of the match so this makes it stand out even more.

scoobs
05-16-2012, 10:47 AM
Yeah, it seems only Federer is untouchable here. :o

Murray gotta be along Nadal the most hated player in MTF. It's disgusting.

Nobody is untouchable here - this endless tide of negativity against elite athletes who go out every day and work their ass off from people who have no concept of respectful analysis and dialogue. That's the problem with mud slinging - everyone gets covered.

MurrayMagic1
05-16-2012, 10:52 AM
This coming from a blatantly biased Andy supporter, look I support Andy too, but I have no issues casting a critical eye on his game and talking about his weaknesses.

If you think this was a great match from Andy I'd hate to see a poor one, did you see that Andy made more errors than winners, plus he was pushing the ball for most of the match so this makes it stand out even more.

I'm not biased actually. If you watched the match more closely , you would see that Andy played very well. I watched the game in the Third set and the 1st set and he played consistent aggressive tennis. Nalbandian wasn't at his best in the 1st set. Andy took advantage of this. The 2nd set could have been better from Andy. The third set could have have gone either way. It was very close. Considering he hasn't played for ages, he played extremely well. He didn't push MOST OF THE TIME!!. He hit the lines and there was some lucky net chords. He got the win in the end which was the most important thing.

bokehlicious
05-16-2012, 10:52 AM
Federer is God! :shrug:

scoobs
05-16-2012, 10:56 AM
This coming from a blatantly biased Andy supporter, look I support Andy too, but I have no issues casting a critical eye on his game, illusions about his weaknesses and discussing them.

If you think this was a great match from Andy I'd hate to see a poor one, did you see that Andy made more errors than winners, plus he was pushing the ball for most of the match so this makes it stand out even more.

I think that's a bit harsh. He was great in the first set against a poor Nalbandian, the second was tighter and I felt like he got into a more passive mentality towards the end, with shots having less purpose and just hoping for an error, and he deserved to lose the set on that basis.

In the third David was playing really well and would have given anyone troubles out there - Murray did well to hang in, and then towards the end, once he'd been broken, he came on stronger to take more control of the rallies to retrieve the break, and stayed strong. He got a bit lucky to get the break but then dug in to serve it out against a very tricky opponent.

That was a match that few would have been that surprised about, had Andy lost, so to win against David who played 2 really good sets is a great effort.

J99
05-16-2012, 11:14 AM
I think that's a bit harsh. He was great in the first set against a poor Nalbandian, the second was tighter and I felt like he got into a more passive mentality towards the end, with shots having less purpose and just hoping for an error, and he deserved to lose the set on that basis.

In the third David was playing really well and would have given anyone troubles out there - Murray did well to hang in, and then towards the end, once he'd been broken, he came on stronger to take more control of the rallies to retrieve the break, and stayed strong. He got a bit lucky to get the break but then dug in to serve it out against a very tricky opponent.

That was a match that few would have been that surprised about, had Andy lost, so to win against David who played 2 really good sets is a great effort.

The only thing that made the 1st seem like it was great was the score, but in tennis the score for me doesn't say all that much, both weren't playing that well, both players were giving away plenty of BPO's, Andy got broken once, Nalby 3 times.

MariaV
05-16-2012, 11:57 AM
The anger people here would have if Murray won a slam would be so epic.

Take RG son

Finally winning Wimbledon would be even better, not only MTF would go nuts but the whole UK media. ;)

nick the greek
05-16-2012, 12:05 PM
MTF is a truly sickening tennis forum. I really hate the term Choke and all that crap. It was a great match I really enjoyed it. So much hate for Andy its unbelievable. I really don't understand all this negative shit. some people are just filed with Bitterness and anger. You don't see me hating other players 24/7 every second of the day! Andy played great. He got some luck but that's part of the game!! He fought until the very end. That's what makes him a champion!! and when he eventually wins a slam I'll be sticking my two fingers up to all you haters
MTF is a wonderful place.About hate and Mugray,get used to it.

Beat
05-16-2012, 01:52 PM
Tennis lost.

such a new member, such a tired and old phrase.

Nole fan
05-16-2012, 02:30 PM
Federer is God! :shrug:

You mean YOUR God. ;)