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How I wish the alternate week theory is wrong, but it's not... Rainer loses 2 Lopez!

Buddy
10-27-2004, 10:39 PM
Did I mention how Schuettler likes to win some matches one week and get eliminated the next week? :rolleyes:

Well, thank goodness for him this week is the winning week and he advances to the second round!!!

He won 6-3,6-4 against Nadal!!! :eek: :bounce: I dun know about what you guys think, but I personally think it's a spectacular win since Nadal ain no pushover!!!

From the draw, unless he does some serious choking, i think he should be able to advance to the quarterfinals and that's when the real test begins. Can he win a top 5 player like David?

Anyway, good luck and go go go!!! :bounce:

Today, he won against Chiudinelli 76 62!! Go Rainer!! :bounce: Win the QFinals too!! :)

Purple Rainbow
10-27-2004, 10:54 PM
Nadal wasn't playing bad, but Schüttler never seemed in trouble today. Maybe at the end of the match when Rafael got one break back, but Rainer still won it easily.
Chiudinelli shouldn't be a problem either, but I won't see Schüttler defeat in form Nalbandian in the quarters. Could be a great match, though!

Neely
10-27-2004, 11:10 PM
GREAT WIN, Rainer!! :woohoo: :woohoo:

Most of the games have been close and it was unnecessary to give Nadal one break back in the 2nd set, but still it's a good win for Rainer!

Nadal is a good opponent but had today no idea how to beat Rainer...

Well done! :yeah: :woohoo: :bounce:
Now win the 2nd round as well! Good luck!

alfonsojose
10-28-2004, 12:10 AM
*happy silent mode*

Buddy
10-28-2004, 12:54 AM
*happy silent mode*

Why the slient mode???

Jump for joy!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

These days any win from him is worth celebrating!! and dancing!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Chloe le Bopper
10-28-2004, 07:31 AM
Nadal is crap indoors, but it's still nice to see Rainer get a win.

propi
10-28-2004, 08:23 AM
Nadal at the moment isn't as good as Rainer
Said this.......... :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: Congrats Rainer :woohoo:

Aleksa's Laydee
10-28-2004, 11:12 AM
well done rainer :D:D:D:D:D

Space Cowgirl
10-28-2004, 11:54 AM
Yeah good win :D , he never really looked in bother, even after dropping serve while serving for the match at 5-2. I think he's more motivated to win when playing against higher-ranked players like Nadal, than when it's against a guy in the low 80s-90s (as for example PimPim and Soderling were at the start of the year). If he gets by Chiudinelli tonight, his QF could turn out to be a good one. Spadea has been a bit of a nemesis this year, so he'll want to turn that around, and Nalbandian would be a good way to measure himself too.
Buddy, I was going on the "alternate months" theory earlier this year (January crap, February ok, March crap, etc) but that fell apart a bit in August ;)

RPH
10-28-2004, 11:54 AM
:eek:
Surprising win against the overrated Nadal

Buddy
10-28-2004, 12:08 PM
Yeah good win :D , he never really looked in bother, even after dropping serve while serving for the match at 5-2. I think he's more motivated to win when playing against higher-ranked players like Nadal, than when it's against a guy in the low 80s-90s (as for example PimPim and Soderling were at the start of the year). If he gets by Chiudinelli tonight, his QF could turn out to be a good one. Spadea has been a bit of a nemesis this year, so he'll want to turn that around, and Nalbandian would be a good way to measure himself too.
Buddy, I was going on the "alternate months" theory earlier this year (January crap, February ok, March crap, etc) but that fell apart a bit in August ;)

:lol: :haha: at the alternate month theory!!

Daniel
10-28-2004, 12:55 PM
Rainer :yeah:

Roger-No.1
10-28-2004, 04:01 PM
Bravo Rainer

babsi
10-28-2004, 04:07 PM
I´m glad Rainer won,he deserves it - he is a nice guy:)

Nikki♥
10-28-2004, 05:23 PM
Wow cool. Schuettler can actually win. Isn´t that great news? :lol: Well done. Poor Rafa though.

Roger-No.1
10-28-2004, 05:45 PM
Wow cool. Schuettler can actually win. Isn´t that great news? :lol: Well done. Poor Rafa though.

True. Poor Rafa. :sad:

Chloe le Bopper
10-28-2004, 05:46 PM
:eek:
Surprising win against the overrated Nadal
Overrated? Entertain me with how you figure.

This result shouldn't be that surprising to anybody who respects Schuettler's ability (despite his slump) and knows a thing or two about Nadal's game.

RPH
10-28-2004, 05:59 PM
Overrated? Entertain me with how you figure.

This result shouldn't be that surprising to anybody who respects Schuettler's ability (despite his slump) and knows a thing or two about Nadal's game.

I just think Nadal's not has good has people make him out to be :o I think Verdasco is the better player despite the lesser hype
He's got a great forehand and decent movement and mental approach but his backhand is poor and his serve is a weakness

Apart from his Federer win and the Moya win last year he hasn't done too much against the top guys although he's been injured too much

If he goes on to great things I'll admit I was wrong but for now I'll stay thinking he's overrated :)

Chloe le Bopper
10-28-2004, 06:14 PM
I just think Nadal's not has good has people make him out to be :o I think Verdasco is the better player despite the lesser hype
He's got a great forehand and decent movement and mental approach but his backhand is poor and his serve is a weakness

Perhaps if Verdasco took out two former RG champions at clay masters series when he was 16, and helped carry team Spain to the Davis Cup Finals at 17/18, he would have had the hype. If not for his injury during the clay season, Nadal would probably be ranked higher than Verdasco anyways. He missed three months on his best surface and is still a top 50 player at 18 years of age.

What has Verdasco done, exactly, that would make him deserving of the same sort of hype? Aside from beat Ferrero and win Valencia? I like Verdasco too, but I don't see how he's better than Nadal. His forehand is good, but so is Nadal's. Nadal is probably faster than him, and from what little I've seen of both I would say that he has better movement. Nadal is a scrambler. Verdasco certainly has the better serve thatn Nadal, but players can uh, develop their games. Just because Nadal's serve "sucks" now doesn't mean it will suck later. All the raw material is there to produce a great player and he's produced some pretty respectable results despite his current weaknesses... hence the hype. I don't understand how anybody can say he is "overhyped", but hey, maybe you know something that the Spanish Davis Cup captains (who made a point of setting Nadal up with Robredo for doubles so that he could get Davis Cup experience, since they see him as the future of the team) don't.

Apart from his Federer win and the Moya win last year he hasn't done too much against the top guys although he's been injured too much

First of all, butter it up however you want - Nadal beat Roger Federer in 2004. So did a few other guys, but it's still a pretty huge deal to knock out the dominant player of the year, not on your best surface, when you're 17.

He beat both Moya and Costa last year, btw. Costa was still the French Open Champion at the time. He's had a number of quality wins and close losses aside from those. Check his record. Perhaps we define "quality wins" differently. So he isn't consistently beating the Roddick's and Agassi's of this world. So? He's 18. Expecting a solid top 50 player who missed three months on his best surface to be knocking off top ten players left and right is ridiculous. He's not Boris Becker or whoever.

Has Verdasco, the apparently much more talented of the two, even came close to Nadal's quality wins? Yet you have no problem praising him, and write what Nadal has done off :confused:

If he goes on to great things I'll admit I was wrong but for now I'll stay thinking he's overrated :)

You are entitled to your opinion, obviously, but oyu probably shouldn't let your own likes and dislikes cloud your judgement over such things. Just because you don't like somebody, doesn't mean they are overrated. I could care less about Maria Sharapova, but I can see with my own eyes that she's brimming with talent and untapped potential.

RPH
10-28-2004, 06:31 PM
Perhaps if Verdasco took out two former RG champions at clay masters series when he was 16, and helped carry team Spain to the Davis Cup Finals at 17/18, he would have had the hype. If not for his injury during the clay season, Nadal would probably be ranked higher than Verdasco anyways. He missed three months on his best surface and is still a top 50 player at 18 years of age.

What has Verdasco done, exactly, that would make him deserving of the same sort of hype? Aside from beat Ferrero and win Valencia? I like Verdasco too, but I don't see how he's better than Nadal. His forehand is good, but so is Nadal's. Nadal is probably faster than him, and from what little I've seen of both I would say that he has better movement. Nadal is a scrambler. Verdasco certainly has the better serve thatn Nadal, but players can uh, develop their games. Just because Nadal's serve "sucks" now doesn't mean it will suck later. All the raw material is there to produce a great player and he's produced some pretty respectable results despite his current weaknesses... hence the hype. I don't understand how anybody can say he is "overhyped", but hey, maybe you know something that the Spanish Davis Cup captains (who made a point of setting Nadal up with Robredo for doubles so that he could get Davis Cup experience, since they see him as the future of the team) don't.



First of all, butter it up however you want - Nadal beat Roger Federer in 2004. So did a few other guys, but it's still a pretty huge deal to knock out the dominant player of the year, not on your best surface, when you're 17.

He beat both Moya and Costa last year, btw. Costa was still the French Open Champion at the time. He's had a number of quality wins and close losses aside from those. Check his record. Perhaps we define "quality wins" differently. So he isn't consistently beating the Roddick's and Agassi's of this world. So? He's 18. Expecting a solid top 50 player who missed three months on his best surface to be knocking off top ten players left and right is ridiculous. He's not Boris Becker or whoever.

Has Verdasco, the apparently much more talented of the two, even came close to Nadal's quality wins? Yet you have no problem praising him, and write what Nadal has done off :confused:



You are entitled to your opinion, obviously, but oyu probably shouldn't let your own likes and dislikes cloud your judgement over such things. Just because you don't like somebody, doesn't mean they are overrated. I could care less about Maria Sharapova, but I can see with my own eyes that she's brimming with talent and untapped potential.

OMG :eek: :eek: :eek:

Don't really know what to say to that :rolleyes:

Federer was tired during that win ;)
Verdasco thrashed Ferrero ;)
And I don't like or dislike Nadal, the only I let my hate judgement cloud over is Coria

You pretty much made it impossible for me to argue against you :worship: :(

Chloe le Bopper
10-28-2004, 06:34 PM
OMG :eek: :eek: :eek:

Don't really know what to say to that :rolleyes:

Federer was tired during that win ;)
Verdasco thrashed Ferrero ;)
And I don't like or dislike Nadal, the only I let my hate judgement cloud over is Coria

You pretty much made it impossible for me to argue against you :worship: :(
Eh, I probably didn't need to write an essay. I'm just trying to pass time before I have to go catch the bus. Sorry. I wasn't trying to pummel you into submission with a barage of Nadal crap :p

Ferrero also lost horribly to Ginepri and Kevin Kim this year, btw ;) That said, I agree that Verdsaco is good. Just not *as* good :p

Sorry for assuming you were "hatin"!

Space Cowgirl
10-28-2004, 10:32 PM
Auf geht's Rainer!! :worship: He's now into the QF against Nalbandian after beating Chiudinelli 7-6 6-2

Neely
10-28-2004, 11:09 PM
Congrats Rainer! :) :woohoo:

okay, this win against Chuidinelli was more a mandotory one ( :tape: may I say this word even in such a slump?! :tape: ), but the more difficult task is Nalbandian now.

Beat him and that would be the cherry on the top! ;) :yeah:




I think Verdasco is the better player despite the lesser hype
Correct, IMO Verdasco is the better player now. I see your point very much and you have a sharp eye noticing that.
how I see the current situation on Nadal vs Verdasco: Despite Nadal's tournament win in Sopot (if Andy had won this tournament, people would probably find again thousands of excuses... "it wasn't the best draw", "no top claycourters participated", "it was only a little clay event" etc. blah blah blah Or why does, for example his St. Pölten win, still get discredited??), Nadal couldn't reach his pre-injury level so far.
Verdasco wasn't injured and could make the better development whereas Nadal had a huge setback and I'm sure the Nadal that we saw at the beginning of the year wouldn't have lost to Rainer in this way like yesterday.

Chloe le Bopper
10-28-2004, 11:21 PM
Correct, IMO Verdasco is the better player now. I see your point very much and you have a sharp eye noticing that.
how I see the current situation on Nadal vs Verdasco: Despite Nadal's tournament win in Sopot (if Andy had won this tournament, people would probably find again thousands of excuses... "it wasn't the best draw", "no top claycourters participated", "it was only a little clay event" etc. blah blah blah Or why does, for example his St. Pölten win, still get discredited??), Nadal couldn't reach his pre-injury level so far.
Verdasco wasn't injured and could make the better development whereas Nadal had a huge setback and I'm sure the Nadal that we saw at the beginning of the year wouldn't have lost to Rainer in this way like yesterday.

I'm open to explanation, but aside from his serve, I don't see how Verdasco has more potential.

Regardless, I don't remember people making a gigantic deal over Nadal's title. Most of us - who are fans - were thrilled he got the monkey off his back so early, but realized that he did not beat Coria and Gaudio to do it.

As for Roddick, his early titles were quite celebrated when they happened (until, of course, commentators assumed that they made him a Roland Garros contender, at which point most of us died laughing). If his titles NOW are discredited it's because the comparison to his record on hardcourt, where he's top 2, makes for a hilarious contrast. That, and this titles are constantly brought up as proof that he can be a "star" on clay, where so far he's done very little to indicate it. Nadal gets far more respect on the surface, and rightfully so. When Roddick beats Moya, Costa, and Chela, among others, on clay, then my respect for him on the surface will go way way up.

That said, I can't understand for the life of me how Andy got brought into this conversation.

Chloe le Bopper
10-28-2004, 11:22 PM
Um, also, I don't think that the Nadal of earlier this year would have necessarily won this match. Nadal hasn't been strong indoors over the past couple years. He will reverse the trend eventually, but he's not there yet.

Horatio Caine
10-28-2004, 11:26 PM
Buddy, I was going on the "alternate months" theory earlier this year (January crap, February ok, March crap, etc) but that fell apart a bit in August ;)

:haha: Too true. His Masters performances have been shocking - all first round defeats except Rome where he made the final - talk about a yo-yo!!!

Neely
10-28-2004, 11:42 PM
That said, I can't understand for the life of me how Andy got brought into this conversation.
Just seeing the facts somebody could say now: "Hey Neely, he won a title after his comback from injury, how the heck can you say he hasn't reached yet the level before his injury?"

There is room in reasoning to discredit Andy's wins on clay, so I took this as an example that Nadal's tournament win wasn't "the best" one, too. That was my way to maintain my earlier assumption that I made and which is: "Nadal is not yet back to his incredible form at the beginning of the year."

Neely
10-28-2004, 11:42 PM
:haha: Too true. His Masters performances have been shocking - all first round defeats except Rome where he made the final - talk about a yo-yo!!!
except Monte Carlos... ahm, Monte Carlo, of course ;)

Bilbo
10-28-2004, 11:45 PM
Nalbandian will rip him a new one

Horatio Caine
10-28-2004, 11:52 PM
except Monte Carlos... ahm, Monte Carlo, of course ;)

Sorry - yeah my mistake!! Cheers. Good to see you're on your toes (see what i did there?!!!!!) :tape:

Horatio Caine
10-28-2004, 11:54 PM
Nalbandian will rip him a new one

I support Rainer 100%! He is a very nice man and i kinda feel sorry for his ineptitude this year! Plus i am kind of nervous about how quickly Nalbandian is chasing Henman and Safin - does he ever stop?!!! Like a bull to a red cape - i hope neither Tim or Marat wear red tomorrow! :tape: Go Rainer!!!!!

Neely
10-28-2004, 11:56 PM
Sorry - yeah my mistake!! Cheers. Good to see you're on your toes (see what i did there?!!!!!) :tape:
lol, I didn't intend to be a know-it-all ;) ... but somehow it's just tooo easy to keep track of the only good results of Rainer this season ;) :rolleyes:
:tape:

Horatio Caine
10-29-2004, 12:10 AM
... but somehow it's just tooo easy to keep track of the only good results of Rainer this season ;) :rolleyes:
:tape:

:haha: :haha: :haha: Too true! Just count yourself lucky you weren't a Spadea fan a few years back! :haha:

LiZpHaIr
10-29-2004, 12:49 AM
If he wins this tourney we can say he had a better year than Mark P.!

Neely
10-29-2004, 12:56 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: Too true! Just count yourself lucky you weren't a Spadea fan a few years back! :haha:
yeah, but I was a Kiefer fan then :rolleyes: ... pretty much the same, his best results in 2001, 2002 and 2003 were two Halle finals and one in Moscow. Pretty easy, too easy to keep track of :sad: :p ... but at least 2004 makes higher demands on memory usage ;)

Buddy
10-29-2004, 10:29 PM
he was 4-1 up the second set and he choked!! :sad:

Frooty_Bazooty
10-29-2004, 10:34 PM
oh my, that was a pretty bad choke :o altho David is quite good at the old comebacks.

User ID 4783
10-29-2004, 10:38 PM
well a QF choke is better than another 1st round loss, so we shouldn't be too sad :rolleyes:

Buddy
10-29-2004, 10:41 PM
well next week is the alternate week... I hope my theory is wrong cos he's gonna lose a lot of points for being in the semis of the championships...

Neely
10-29-2004, 10:54 PM
well a QF choke is better than another 1st round loss, so we shouldn't be too sad :rolleyes:
that's true, exactly my words... :yeah:

Daniel
10-30-2004, 08:33 AM
Rainer :sad:

Space Cowgirl
10-30-2004, 11:59 PM
well next week is the alternate week... I hope my theory is wrong cos he's gonna lose a lot of points for being in the semis of the championships...


Buddy, think positive thoughts!!

Buddy
11-02-2004, 02:16 PM
This is it!! Last tournament of the week with so many points to defend... he loses to Lopez in the first round 7-6, 6-4!! :sad:

Hopefully, we see a better year for you in 2005...

alfonsojose
11-02-2004, 02:22 PM
Rainer, happy 2005. It was a real nightmare being a fan of yours. :rolleyes: :sad:

Space Cowgirl
11-02-2004, 03:05 PM
Hmph, maybe my "alternate month" theory was better ;) At least he managed to string good performances in two consecutive tournaments this year (Wimbledon and Gstaad) :D