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John McEnroe on Olympics troubles, Madrid's blue clay, praises Federer & Djokovic

kiki24
05-15-2012, 01:21 AM
John McEnroe held a conference call on Monday to discuss his World TeamTennis matchup against Andre Agassi in July and voiced his opinion on several hot topics in men’s tennis.

McEnroe remarked on the upcoming summer Olympics and the troubles surrounding it in tennis, Madrid's "pretty crappy" blue clay, the current level of men's tennis, and an outlook and review of the top three ATP Tour players Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal.

He gives great praise to Federer calling him the "greatest, most beautiful player that ever lived," Djokovic's current game unbelievable, and stated that Nadal could easily solidify himself as the best clay court player ever if he wins Roland Garros this year. Is this fair assessment for the Top 3?

Pretty cool interview he gave!

http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/archives/6744

Topspindoctor
05-15-2012, 01:25 AM
Nobody cares what MugEnroe thinks.

Nadal has solidified himself as clay GOAT long ago.

I'll take words of a quiet-spoken legend like Borg over a boisterous jester. MugEnroe still bitter about that RG final, it seems :superlol:

viruzzz
05-15-2012, 01:49 AM
Nobody cares what MugEnroe thinks.

That's why he's making commentary in all the big events with the most important coverage media and making interviews all year about tennis.
He also wrote books about the sport and is one of the legends and knows what he is talking about.

I'm gonna teach you the truth, Doc, nobody cares what YOU think, and most of the people who know about tennis cares about McEnroe.

That's why he's making interviews, because people care.
And that's why you're writing in a tennis board, because you NEED to share your crappy trolling things about tennis.

McEnroe = good
TSD = bad

Mountaindewslave
05-15-2012, 02:22 AM
I mean all of what he said is true but it's sort of common since, it's a shame he didn't say anything particularly interesting or controversial.

Federer plays the most beautiful of any player ever? duh check we all knew that. Djokovic's form the last year very very solid? check no one, even Topspindoctor, missed that. Nadal best clay court player? already.

John have fun at press conferences like you used to!

it is good he bashed the blue clay though, i'm not sure about everyone else, but i feel so much more comfortable being back to the orange/red, just feels right and the mood is lighter- both literally and figuratively

Paylu2007
05-15-2012, 02:25 AM
That's why he's making commentary in all the big events with the most important coverage media and making interviews all year about tennis.
He also wrote books about the sport and is one of the legends and knows what he is talking about.

I'm gonna teach you the truth, Doc, nobody cares what YOU think, and most of the people who know about tennis cares about McEnroe.

That's why he's making interviews, because people care.
And that's why you're writing in a tennis board, because you NEED to share your crappy trolling things about tennis.

McEnroe = good
TSD = bad

GOAT post :worship::worship::worship:

paseo
05-15-2012, 02:27 AM
The same McEnroe who said Nadal has better volleys than Fed?

BauerAlmeida
05-15-2012, 02:36 AM
That's why he's making commentary in all the big events with the most important coverage media and making interviews all year about tennis.
He also wrote books about the sport and is one of the legends and knows what he is talking about.

I'm gonna teach you the truth, Doc, nobody cares what YOU think, and most of the people who know about tennis cares about McEnroe.

That's why he's making interviews, because people care.
And that's why you're writing in a tennis board, because you NEED to share your crappy trolling things about tennis.

McEnroe = good
TSD = bad

:worship::worship::worship:

SheenKJohn
05-15-2012, 07:44 AM
Nobody cares what MugEnroe thinks.

Nadal has solidified himself as clay GOAT long ago.

I'll take words of a quiet-spoken legend like Borg over a boisterous jester. MugEnroe still bitter about that RG final, it seems :superlol:

Everybody cares about what you think ??

:superlol:

fast_clay
05-15-2012, 07:51 AM
Nobody cares what MugEnroe thinks.

Nadal has solidified himself as clay GOAT long ago.

I'll take words of a quiet-spoken legend like Borg over a boisterous jester. MugEnroe still bitter about that RG final, it seems :superlol:

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/smiley-taunt001-1.gif

That's why he's making commentary in all the big events with the most important coverage media and making interviews all year about tennis.
He also wrote books about the sport and is one of the legends and knows what he is talking about.

I'm gonna teach you the truth, Doc, nobody cares what YOU think, and most of the people who know about tennis cares about McEnroe.

That's why he's making interviews, because people care.
And that's why you're writing in a tennis board, because you NEED to share your crappy trolling things about tennis.

McEnroe = good
TSD = bad

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/clap.gif

Everybody cares about what you think ??

:superlol:

:speakles: The Brotherhood Of Nadal abusing Topspindoctor... amazing scenes...

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
05-15-2012, 12:21 PM
The same McEnroe who said Nadal has better volleys than Fed?

+1

fuckin eh

the worthless toad lost all credibility with that remark, too many PEDs injected in his ass

mcnasty
05-15-2012, 01:00 PM
You all (with exceptions) sound like you can outplay McEnroe on the court. But what I know of the game, it takes a lot more than sheer ability and determination to succeed. Maybe that's why we're here spewing crap on the Web, and McEnroe, Federer, et al. are living the life we all can only dream of.

chenx15
05-15-2012, 01:05 PM
That's why he's making commentary in all the big events with the most important coverage media and making interviews all year about tennis.
He also wrote books about the sport and is one of the legends and knows what he is talking about.

I'm gonna teach you the truth, Doc, nobody cares what YOU think, and most of the people who know about tennis cares about McEnroe.

That's why he's making interviews, because people care.
And that's why you're writing in a tennis board, because you NEED to share your crappy trolling things about tennis.

McEnroe = good
TSD = bad

Oh Snap! Sh!t just got real. great ownage man!!! good for you!

dazed1
05-15-2012, 02:22 PM
That's why he's making commentary in all the big events with the most important coverage media and making interviews all year about tennis.
He also wrote books about the sport and is one of the legends and knows what he is talking about.

I'm gonna teach you the truth, Doc, nobody cares what YOU think, and most of the people who know about tennis cares about McEnroe.

That's why he's making interviews, because people care.
And that's why you're writing in a tennis board, because you NEED to share your crappy trolling things about tennis.

McEnroe = good
TSD = bad

Owned lol!!!!!!! :worship:

garad
05-15-2012, 02:43 PM
MugEnroe still bitter about that RG final, it seems :superlol:


What final would that be?

unforcedterror
05-15-2012, 03:04 PM
Additionally, McEnroe ranked Federer and Nadal as the third and fourth best hard court players, behind Pete Sampras and Rod Laver.

I highly disagree with this part of the article, especially since Novak has twice as many hard court slams than Rafa, and has been to more hard court slam finals. I'm not saying Novak deserves to be the fourth best hard court player (though I'm sure he will get there eventually if he continues with his form), but Rafa definitely isn't the 4th best HC player ever.

Slice Winner
05-15-2012, 03:13 PM
I highly disagree with this part of the article, especially since Novak has twice as many hard court slams than Rafa, and has been to more hard court slam finals. I'm not saying Novak deserves to be the fourth best hard court player (though I'm sure he will get there eventually if he continues with his form), but Rafa definitely isn't the 4th best HC player ever.

Agree. People like Novak, Agassi, even someone like Safin.... I would rate as better hard courters than Nadal.

Sophocles
05-15-2012, 03:19 PM
I highly disagree with this part of the article, especially since Novak has twice as many hard court slams than Rafa, and has been to more hard court slam finals. I'm not saying Novak deserves to be the fourth best hard court player (though I'm sure he will get there eventually if he continues with his form), but Rafa definitely isn't the 4th best HC player ever.

Yes, it's ridiculous. Nadal shouldn't even be in the discussion ffs - Djoker has already surpassed him. Federer is obviously the greatest hard-court player of all time - most slams, most Masters (tied with Agassi), most titles. Sampras & Agassi are about even and a little way behind him. Lendl, Mac, & Connors are in the mix. Laver is hard to rate as there were no slams on hard court in his day, but he did win the biggest hard-court tournaments going. Djokovic should end up in the discussion if he carries on at his present rate.

tribalfusion
05-15-2012, 03:52 PM
Yes, it's ridiculous. Nadal shouldn't even be in the discussion ffs - Djoker has already surpassed him. Federer is obviously the greatest hard-court player of all time - most slams, most Masters (tied with Agassi), most titles. Sampras & Agassi are about even and a little way behind him. Lendl, Mac, & Connors are in the mix. Laver is hard to rate as there were no slams on hard court in his day, but he did win the biggest hard-court tournaments going. Djokovic should end up in the discussion if he carries on at his present rate.

So we should respect McEnroe's expert opinion....unless he says something which contradicts our own "expert" opinions

Too funny.

rocketassist
05-15-2012, 03:55 PM
So we should respect McEnroe's expert opinion....unless he says something which contradicts our own "expert" opinions

Too funny.

Past players always say stuff to big up the current players in order to promote the sport. Therefore I don't take them seriously.

Tennis journalism and punditry is generally abysmal.

Fed, Agassi, Sampras, Courier, Lendl, Djokovic, Edberg, Becker, Connors, Mac himself, Safin, Rafter and possibly Roddick and Hewitt are all superior hard court players to Nadal.

Sophocles
05-15-2012, 04:12 PM
So we should respect McEnroe's expert opinion....unless he says something which contradicts our own "expert" opinions

Too funny.

We should respect, without blindly accepting, his expert opinion on matters in which he has some expertise.

Nole fan
05-15-2012, 04:16 PM
I highly disagree with this part of the article, especially since Novak has twice as many hard court slams than Rafa, and has been to more hard court slam finals. I'm not saying Novak deserves to be the fourth best hard court player (though I'm sure he will get there eventually if he continues with his form), but Rafa definitely isn't the 4th best HC player ever.

Yeah, that was also the part that got me attention. By no means is Rafa amongst the best hard court players ever.

Nole fan
05-15-2012, 04:18 PM
We should respect, without blindly accepting, his expert opinion on matters in which he has some expertise.

Best post in the thread. :yeah:
You can agree or diasgree with him, but you gotta respect his opinion as someone who knows his stuff.

tribalfusion
05-15-2012, 04:20 PM
We should respect, without blindly accepting, his expert opinion on matters in which he has some expertise.

Oh I agree...and he does have expertise on hard court tennis too we should add.

So then it doesn't become so easy to simply ridicule his statement.

Sophocles
05-15-2012, 04:29 PM
Oh I agree...and he does have expertise on hard court tennis too we should add.

So then it doesn't become so easy to simply ridicule his statement.

He has expertise in how to play tennis on hard courts. I'm not sure he has any discernible expertise in rating players' achievements on hard courts. On that, I would take Johnny Groove over McEnroe any day of the week.

tribalfusion
05-15-2012, 04:47 PM
He has expertise in how to play tennis on hard courts. I'm not sure he has any discernible expertise in rating players' achievements on hard courts. On that, I would take Johnny Groove over McEnroe any day of the week.

Johnny Groove seems like a nice fellow who is a well informed tennis fan but it simply makes no sense that an all time great on hard courts wouldn't know about the LEVEL and quality of play of other hard court players in their respective fields more than some recreational players.

McEnroe may in fact be wrong but he is far better positioned on virtually all counts to make these claims than any poster here.

unforcedterror
05-15-2012, 04:51 PM
Johnny Groove seems like a nice fellow who is a well informed tennis fan but it simply makes no sense that an all time great on hard courts wouldn't know about the LEVEL and quality of play of other hard court players in their respective fields more than some recreational players.

McEnroe may in fact be wrong but he is far better positioned on virtually all counts to make these claims than any poster here.

I don't think you even have to look at "level and quality." The results indicate otherwise.

Sophocles
05-15-2012, 05:00 PM
Johnny Groove seems like a nice fellow who is a well informed tennis fan but it simply makes no sense that an all time great on hard courts wouldn't know about the LEVEL and quality of play of other hard court players in their respective fields more than some recreational players.

McEnroe may in fact be wrong but he is far better positioned on virtually all counts to make these claims than any poster here.

LEVEL - perhaps, although the advantage in being a spectator as opposed to a player is that you see both players playing. But I said ACHIEVEMENTS, & as far as they are concerned knowing a few facts - generally not McEnroe's strong point - is more helpful than the ability to hit a nifty lob volley.

I would go further and say that many of the sensible posters here would make far more informative & worthwhile commentators than any of the ex-players who are paid to do it, including McEnroe. Being good at doing something doesn't make you good at talking about it. Norman Mailer writes better about boxing than Muhammad Ali does. Experience in the activity is important, but great skill is not. In fact a hack club player might well have a better insight into "normal" tour players' struggles during a match than an instinctive genius such as McEnroe.

Slice Winner
05-15-2012, 05:26 PM
McEnroe, like Wilander, is prone to ridiculous bouts of hyperbole, as well as bigging up the current generation, or bigging up the player from whatever country he happens to be commentating in.
(If you believed what he said, Murray is the favourite to win Wimbledon every time he commentates for the BBC.)

Sunset of Age
05-15-2012, 05:49 PM
It's the same thing with all these former-great-player-pundits 'commentating'. They'll praise the guys doing well during a certain week to heaven as being 'the best ever', and will equally praise any other guys doing well the very next week thereafter. :shrug:
They feel it's their job to raise the attention to the sport (rightfully I think), combined with some attention whoring - this is what you get.

It's wrong to dismiss their opinions as total nonsense, but it's equally wrong to take any quote like "Player X must be the best player ever because Pundit Y said so!" all too seriously.

Alex999
05-15-2012, 06:07 PM
JMac said it the way it is.

Mods, can someone (topspindoctor) be banned because of his/her stupidity? just wondering :-). it's like trolling at it's best, I guess i should use that ignore option ...

tribalfusion
05-15-2012, 06:08 PM
LEVEL - perhaps, although the advantage in being a spectator as opposed to a player is that you see both players playing. But I said ACHIEVEMENTS, & as far as they are concerned knowing a few facts - generally not McEnroe's strong point - is more helpful than the ability to hit a nifty lob volley.

I would go further and say that many of the sensible posters here would make far more informative & worthwhile commentators than any of the ex-players who are paid to do it, including McEnroe. Being good at doing something doesn't make you good at talking about it. Norman Mailer writes better about boxing than Muhammad Ali does. Experience in the activity is important, but great skill is not. In fact a hack club player might well have a better insight into "normal" tour players' struggles during a match than an instinctive genius such as McEnroe.


Well, there are a few problems with what you wrote. Firstly, no one considers Mailer an authority on boxing in technical sense; they go to him for more or less poetic ruminations on the sport. A great former boxer has far more to tell us about the actual mechanics of boxing and this is a simple fact.

A hack player can have insight into struggles in some personal psychological sense etc but he isn't going to have the insight into the game that someone like Brad Gilbert would have (and he is often derided here as a fool here ironically).

In any case, Mac spoke of Nadal being 4th best and didn't say he had the 4th most slams on hard...clearly he was referring to his game as evaluated by himself and not a statistic; he was making a qualitative evaluation.

Clearly all humans (including former pros) have their emotional desires and subjective wants when it comes to analysis but there is really no comparison in terms of their understanding of the game as contrasted with posters here.

As to whether and how much Mac was "instinctive", I think you might be surprised but that's another question.

luie
05-15-2012, 06:15 PM
Mc enroe is a bit off, saying a mug moonballer like nadull is the 4 best in history is irresponsible. Even if he was "bigging" up today's players Novak is ahead of him on HC by any category u choose.

reery
05-15-2012, 06:33 PM
Additionally, McEnroe ranked Federer and Nadal as the third and fourth best hard court players, behind Pete Sampras and Rod Laver.

:spit:

heya
05-15-2012, 06:46 PM
mcenroe also said "i have personality. i live in a new york family, so i thought it was ok to
be loud on court...

lendl has no personality."

"you know i love federer. i'm afraid nadal beating him doesn't make federer the best ever".

mcenroe repeatedly pushed his nose into djokovic's life; this distracted djokovic at the french open too.

mcenroe is not as smart as you think, unless you're naive.
he plays the victim everytime
he and his precious federer lose so-called the "dominating image in tennis".
he whined so much when djoker had a bunch of titles and reached number 1.
mcenroe and federer rarely played a quality opponent when they were 23.

Sophocles
05-16-2012, 10:42 AM
Well, there are a few problems with what you wrote. Firstly, no one considers Mailer an authority on boxing in technical sense; they go to him for more or less poetic ruminations on the sport. A great former boxer has far more to tell us about the actual mechanics of boxing and this is a simple fact.

A hack player can have insight into struggles in some personal psychological sense etc but he isn't going to have the insight into the game that someone like Brad Gilbert would have (and he is often derided here as a fool here ironically).

In any case, Mac spoke of Nadal being 4th best and didn't say he had the 4th most slams on hard...clearly he was referring to his game as evaluated by himself and not a statistic; he was making a qualitative evaluation.

Clearly all humans (including former pros) have their emotional desires and subjective wants when it comes to analysis but there is really no comparison in terms of their understanding of the game as contrasted with posters here.

As to whether and how much Mac was "instinctive", I think you might be surprised but that's another question.

Well, I don't want to extend this argument artificially, but while I'm sure a champion boxer "knows" more about boxing technique, I strongly suspect, given how inarticulate former boxers often are, that Norman Mailer would be better at explaining it. Mailer did himself box in an amateur capacity, and if you read "The Fight", it's not just poetic rumination: it contains an extraordinarily detailed, blow-by-blow account of the fight itself. Knowing about technique can mean being able to explain it, but more often when we're talking about sportsmen we mean the ability to use technique, & being able to use something does not entail being able to explain how you use it, or how it works. An anorexic biologist can tell us more about digestion than a gourmet.

McEnroe often fails to back up or explain his pronouncements at all, & his evaluations tend to change according to who's asking, or who has done well in the last 3 weeks. For this reason, I have long since stopped taking them seriously, & the inherent absurdity of this one seems ample justification. How is Nadal's "level" on hard courts higher than Djokovic's (if that is what Mac even means)? In what universe did this happen?

JolánGagó
05-16-2012, 12:40 PM
I blindly accept Sophocles' opinion on anything tennistic, his level of expertise on the field is clearly unparalleled at MTF and far, far beyond.