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Will Federer play Rome?

Mongoose
05-13-2012, 06:21 PM
Y or N

zdravkelja
05-13-2012, 06:26 PM
Doubt it.

BlueSwan
05-13-2012, 06:27 PM
Yes, but he'll most likely lose early.

henke007
05-13-2012, 06:27 PM
With that Draw it would be stupid not to if he wants the Nr 1 ranking later after US OPEN.

Berloq on wednesday night should be fine for him??!

Roamed
05-13-2012, 06:28 PM
He won't. Shouldn't matter that much, #2 is a long shot anyway.

156mphserve
05-13-2012, 06:31 PM
he bettr. I plan on winning the draw challenge and I have him to far for him to withdraw.

He will though. This court didn't play like RG, and he will want a little tournament practice on a court that does before RG starts, plus it's feasible that he does just as well as Rafa here. Being #2 for RG would be huge

emotion
05-13-2012, 06:31 PM
He won't. Shouldn't matter that much, #2 is a long shot anyway.

http://i45.tinypic.com/dnf4oj.png what?

Mjau!
05-13-2012, 06:32 PM
Why shouldn't he??? :confused: :unsure:

He had a lot of rest before this tournament and can't have exerted himself too much on this ice rink.

KoOlMaNsEaN
05-13-2012, 06:33 PM
I think he will and he should to cement his #2 ranking for the future

STUHL
05-13-2012, 06:37 PM
He will playand with the draw he has he will get to Semi-final!

yesh222
05-13-2012, 06:39 PM
I think he'll play.

Le_Bousier
05-13-2012, 06:41 PM
He'd better play Rome.

And for god's sake, improve your game Roger. Start working on not making so many ridiculous unforced errors.

SerialKillerToBe
05-13-2012, 06:43 PM
Uhh...So how does Novak go from having over 13000 points to now having 11000?

sexybeast
05-13-2012, 06:43 PM
He needs red clay practice for RG and he needs to get enought points to end nr2 so he has a 50% chanse to possibly play Djokovic in the final.

Looner
05-13-2012, 06:44 PM
No. He seemed bothered. He was iffy to begin with but now I don't think he plays. No use getting the No.2 and losing to mug because of an injury.

viruzzz
05-13-2012, 06:44 PM
Yeah, I think he would.
He has a pretty decent draw until SF... He needs red clay for RG.

tealeaves
05-13-2012, 06:45 PM
why shouldn't he?

EddieNero
05-13-2012, 06:46 PM
Lol. Guy was rested for 6 weeks, played 2 tough matches and 3 exhos.
Why should he skip Rome?

Orka_n
05-13-2012, 06:48 PM
Unless something is wrong with his body, of course he should. He's even got a good draw.

scarecrows
05-13-2012, 06:48 PM
if he wants to go back to no.1 like he said than playing it is a must

SERBINATOR
05-13-2012, 06:50 PM
Roger is smart

he did take a healthy body over #2 anyday

he was popping painkillers after the second set so that's more likely indications that he won't play

Mechlan
05-13-2012, 06:52 PM
:facepalm: He's not going to make the decision based on his presumptive ranking for sure. It'll be based on how his body feels. That nobody knows, so we'll see.

ServeVolley
05-13-2012, 06:52 PM
I hope so. The draw is good, and he's got some nice momentum going into it.

70-68
05-13-2012, 06:55 PM
He should if his body is OK. Needs a few matches on real clay before RG.

HKz
05-13-2012, 06:56 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/dnf4oj.png what?

Still though, Federer has quite a lot of work to do to keep that #2 ranking for RG especially if Nadal plays well in Rome which he should.

But yes, he might be slightly fatigued, but he did take a good vacation and played not too bad of a week for his body presumably. Plus he has a couple days rest and like several have mentioned, his draw is pretty favorable for him to make the SFs pretty easily unlike his rather nightmarish draw in Madrid.

DrJules
05-13-2012, 06:56 PM
It would be odd to go to RG without a "clay court" warm up event.

shadows
05-13-2012, 06:57 PM
Unless he did actually hurt his foot today as one commentator was speculating I see no reason for him to skip it.

He might tank early, but he should cruise to r8 or semis.

70-68
05-13-2012, 06:59 PM
if he wants to go back to no.1 like he said than playing it is a must

I think No.1 is pretty much depending on the slams from now, which he obviously wants to win.

reery
05-13-2012, 07:07 PM
I have a feeling that Federer and Djokovic won't get to play each other in Rome. Something always happens since the USO SF...

It's like their next encounter is going to happen at a slam again.

iriraz
05-13-2012, 07:10 PM
I have a feeling that Federer and Djokovic won't get to play each other in Rome. Something always happens since the USO SF...

Sometimes top players avoid each other for one reason or another.For instance until this year`s Dubai tournament Federer hasn`t played Murray for over year.Regarding if he should play Rome deppends on him.
It`s not like this tourneys affects him how he does at the French anyways.Last year he lost early in both Monte Carlo and Rome and he still got to the finals in Paris

scarecrows
05-13-2012, 07:10 PM
I think No.1 is pretty much depending on the slams from now, which he obviously wants to win.

he hasnt got any chance to win RG and Wimby is a long way to go
If he becomes no 1 for a few weeks it will be very tight so even points gathered in Master tournaments will play their part

with 3 easy matches on paper he'd get 360 points in Rome. If he's fit he'll play, i have no doubts

Xristos
05-13-2012, 07:13 PM
Yes.

Corey Feldman
05-13-2012, 07:14 PM
why a question about this?

he's just had like 6 weeks break, is no reason at all not to play there

his record there is crap but a few wins could mean the #2 for RG, Wimb - difference of having to beat Nadal and Nole to win a GS compared to beating just 1 of them in the final

Mountaindewslave
05-13-2012, 07:15 PM
Uhh...So how does Novak go from having over 13000 points to now having 11000?

he didn't defend Madrid and the Rome points have dropped

Corey Feldman
05-13-2012, 07:15 PM
his draw is good but he plays poorly in Rome every year

just like Miami

70-68
05-13-2012, 07:31 PM
he hasnt got any chance to win RG and Wimby is a long way to go

Agree, but obviously I wasn't talking about RG. He will always have his chance at Wimbledon and USO.
All I'm saying is that his main goals should be the slams from now (and the Olympics), and doing OK at the MS events. He probably won't become No.1 if he doesn't win at least one slam, but if he wins one, and does well at the other two, it would automatically put him in a very good position.

Mystique
05-13-2012, 07:33 PM
his draw is good but he plays poorly in Rome every year

just like Miami

Yeah. Which is why I wouldnt be surprised if he pulls out. and it wont be so bad in the end really. I think Roger is more concerned about getting on a roll and remaining physically fit than the ranking. If he can do the former, the big results will come.

Corey Feldman
05-13-2012, 07:35 PM
Yeah. Which is why I wouldnt be surprised if he pulls out. and it wont be so bad in the end really. I think Roger is more concerned about getting on a roll and remaining physically fit than the ranking. If he can do the former, the big results will come.then he risks being under cooked at RG and having not played on "real red clay"

guichard
05-13-2012, 07:37 PM
Quote on thursday

"Still going day by day.I still have all the options obviously to do what I would like to do at my age, , the exemptions I get from tournaments.so we'll see how it goes"
source: https://twitter.com/#!/TennisNewsTPN

SheepleBuster
05-13-2012, 07:37 PM
I think Fed will remain #2 unless Rafa wins Rome, right?

Hian-GOAT
05-13-2012, 07:38 PM
If he doesn't play GOATme :tape:

AntiTennis
05-13-2012, 07:38 PM
why a question about this?

he's just had like 6 weeks break, is no reason at all not to play there

his record there is crap but a few wins could mean the #2 for RG, Wimb - difference of having to beat Nadal and Nole to win a GS compared to beating just 1 of them in the final

because he said in an interview "if I play Rome.." like he was thinking about it, and now in the final after the 1st set he took something..didn't see it well, but he was with the trainer, my comms said it looked like an issue with his right leg, but I don't know

Mystique
05-13-2012, 07:39 PM
then he risks being under cooked at RG and having not played on "real red clay"

I dont think Fed needs to play too much on clay going into RG. Overplaying on this surface at his age may be worse really. Its about match practice and confidence and he has that in plenty right now I am sure. It was still clay in Madrid afterall. I think he can very well rely on some one week of practice in Paris and the first few rounds to find enough groove. Unless he has a stinker draw at RG and has to face opponents like Raonic early.

LastRocket
05-13-2012, 07:41 PM
Fed had plenty of rest the past few weeks. He didn't push his body in madrid, as points were short. Djoker and Nadal have not been impressive this year. I am sure he'll play rome :)

SheepleBuster
05-13-2012, 07:42 PM
I dont think Fed needs to play too much on clay going into RG. Overplaying on this surface at his age may be worse really. Its about match practice and confidence and he has that in plenty right now I am sure. It was still clay in Madrid afterall. I think he can very well rely on some one week of practice in Paris and the first few rounds to find enough groove. Unless he has a stinker draw at RG and has to face opponents like Raonic early.

He won't get Isner in the first round. So he should be fine really. The first round against some mug should be enough for Roger to get going.

Corey Feldman
05-13-2012, 07:43 PM
leg injury?

well that would change things

what a spartan that he still won today

duong
05-13-2012, 07:43 PM
I think Fed will remain #2 unless Rafa wins Rome, right?

Nadal needs a final ... and a win if Fed reaches semifinal

For the question : depends on his body, only his team knows about that.

He has a good draw in Roma, although it will be completely different conditions, and Monfils looked in good form to me.

SheepleBuster
05-13-2012, 07:47 PM
Nadal needs a final ... and a win if Fed reaches semifinal

For the question : depends on his body, only his team knows about that.

He has a good draw in Roma, although it will be completely different conditions, and Monfils looked in good form to me.

Wait, if Rafa reaches a final, he won't gain any points. Roger lost 3rd round here last year. Did the ranking system change or something?

Ash86
05-13-2012, 08:00 PM
Wait, if Rafa reaches a final, he won't gain any points. Roger lost 3rd round here last year. Did the ranking system change or something?

The points have already dropped - so Rafa's Rome points aren't included in the ranking which is why he's 3. If they were he would still be no.2.

As long as he wins he keeps the ranking.

Allez
05-13-2012, 08:09 PM
I seriously have no idea why everyone's so hung up on whether RF heads into RG ranked number 2 or 3. At the Australian Open he was ranked 3 and faced the 2nd ranked Nadal in the semis. There's no guarantee that a 3rd Nadal will face Novak in the semis at RG :rolleyes: Sad to see some tennis fans repeating the same old crap about Federer needing to be ranked 2nd to avoid facing Rafa in the semis...

That said, he needs to play on real clay if he's to give himself any chance of doing well in Paris. He's had plenty of rest even for a 30 year old body.

sexybeast
05-13-2012, 08:14 PM
I seriously have no idea why everyone's so hung up on whether RF heads into RG ranked number 2 or 3. At the Australian Open he was ranked 3 and faced the 2nd ranked Nadal in the semis. There's no guarantee that a 3rd Nadal will face Novak in the semis at RG :rolleyes: Sad to see some tennis fans repeating the same old crap about Federer needing to be ranked 2nd to avoid facing Rafa in the semis...

That said, he needs to play on real clay if he's to give himself any chance of doing well in Paris. He's had plenty of rest even for a 30 year old body.

It is 50/50 and Federer wont ever win RG by defeating Djokovic and Nadal back to back, he could win against Djokovic in the final so 50% odds are greater than 0% odds, am I right or wrong?

SERBINATOR
05-13-2012, 08:14 PM
That said, he needs to play on real clay if he's to give himself any chance of doing well in Paris. He's had plenty of rest even for a 30 year old body.

I think that applies to all player with the Exception of Federer

last year he was knocked out early in Rome and MC but reached the RG Finals anyway, his adaptability is very commendable!

EddieNero
05-13-2012, 08:15 PM
The idea of Federer getting no.2 spot before RG doesn't serve the purpose of avoiding Nadal but to coincide Nadal and Djoković in the same half.

Corey Feldman
05-13-2012, 08:18 PM
I seriously have no idea why everyone's so hung up on whether RF heads into RG ranked number 2 or 3. At the Australian Open he was ranked 3 and faced the 2nd ranked Nadal in the semis. There's no guarantee that a 3rd Nadal will face Novak in the semis at RG :rolleyes: Sad to see some tennis fans repeating the same old crap about Federer needing to be ranked 2nd to avoid facing Rafa in the semis...

you are right that is no gaurentee the draw would work out that way but its not hard to understand that its a far easier route to win a title when you only need to play one of NoleDal on the way in the final and not beat them back to back .. and also harder for them if they need to play a SF then a final

if he's 2 seed at RG, Wimby, Olympics then the draw is bound to work nicely in at least one of those events

plus im sick of Nadal-Nole finals

Allez
05-13-2012, 08:23 PM
It is 50/50 and Federer wont ever win RG by defeating Djokovic and Nadal back to back, he could win against Djokovic in the final so 50% odds are greater than 0% odds, am I right or wrong?

Absolutely correct but some people repeat this as a given that being seeded 2nd means avoiding meeting the 3rd seed. It's 50-50 nothing more. Nadal could still beat Novak in the semis and the draw would mean jack shit come the final as everyone well knows. People need to be cheering improvements in Roger's game not ejaculating over the possibility of a Nole vs Rafa semi final.

guichard
05-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Federer on playing Rome: "Probably yes. We'll see how my body feels in the next days"https://twitter.com/#!/alvarorama/status/201754398018379777

habibko
05-13-2012, 08:33 PM
:facepalm: He's not going to make the decision based on his presumptive ranking for sure. It'll be based on how his body feels. That nobody knows, so we'll see.

that's all that needs to be said

I do hope he feels ok, draw seems good and he really needs the points

SERBINATOR
05-13-2012, 08:33 PM
1:05 onwards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxsRyT69OwI

Corey Feldman
05-13-2012, 08:36 PM
sounds doubtful to me

must be feeling something physical

Looner
05-13-2012, 08:37 PM
He's been doubtful since his first match ended. I think he'll play and hopefully lose to Nole in the SF so he can own RN somehow and get RF that #2.

Allez
05-13-2012, 08:37 PM
you are right that is no gaurentee the draw would work out that way but its not hard to understand that its a far easier route to win a title when you only need to play one of NoleDal on the way in the final and not beat them back to back .. and also harder for them if they need to play a SF then a final

if he's 2 seed at RG, Wimby, Olympics then the draw is bound to work nicely in at least one of those events

plus im sick of Nadal-Nole finals

True as long as he keeps the 2nd ranking long enough the draw will pit his two main rivals against each other sooner or later. I doubt it will make a lot of difference at RG as Rafa has to be favoured over Nole in that potential semi. Even if they were to play for 7 hours Rafa would still win the final vs RF. Where this could come in handy is at Wimby/Olympics/USO but on those surfaces he still could pull off an improbable win against both guys back to back. Extremely unlikely but not impossible given the speed of the surfaces.

iriraz
05-13-2012, 08:39 PM
I understand he wants to decide later on if he plays or not,but doesn`t he have to announce the organisers some days prior if he doesn`t play.

samanosuke
05-13-2012, 08:40 PM
old man getting even older. after 6 weeks of cooling his ass he is tired again. skipping two masters 1000 tournaments in a month time isn't a way for returning #1

duong
05-13-2012, 08:44 PM
I understand he wants to decide later on if he plays or not,but doesn`t he have to announce the organisers some days prior if he doesn`t play.

the question is about his body, like for every player :shrug:

so far he plays, if his body is worse than he thinks he won't play

Looner
05-13-2012, 08:47 PM
old man getting even older. after 6 weeks of cooling his ass he is tired again. skipping two masters 1000 tournaments in a month time isn't a way for returning #1

Look at it from this point of view. Nole and RN do not have this issue as they've hardly won any masters this season :o.

Roamed
05-13-2012, 08:50 PM
what?

I meant that cementing the #2 seed for RG is a long shot. He's going to be very tired out after this week plus even if he reaches the final Rafa can still take it if he wins the tournament.

Just like heaven
05-13-2012, 08:52 PM
If Federer pulls out what result does Rafa need in Rome to get back to number 2?

Looner
05-13-2012, 08:54 PM
If Federer pulls out what result does Rafa need in Rome to get back to number 2?

Final at least. RF leads by 370 points so the minimum is a final which is pretty much a given. If RF gets a SF, RN needs to win. Winning guarantees #2 and I'm pretty sure he'll get it.

Roamed
05-13-2012, 08:55 PM
If Federer pulls out what result does Rafa need in Rome to get back to number 2?

Finals I think. If Fed doesn't play he has 9430, and if Rafa gets to the semis he has 9420, so he needs to get to the final.

Just like heaven
05-13-2012, 08:57 PM
Thank you.

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 09:08 PM
time to rest those old bones

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 09:14 PM
Why shouldn't he??? :confused: :unsure:

He had a lot of rest before this tournament and can't have exerted himself too much on this ice rink.

why shouldn't he?

Lol. Guy was rested for 6 weeks, played 2 tough matches and 3 exhos.
Why should he skip Rome?

why a question about this?

he's just had like 6 weeks break, is no reason at all not to play there

his record there is crap but a few wins could mean the #2 for RG, Wimb - difference of having to beat Nadal and Nole to win a GS compared to beating just 1 of them in the final

Fed had plenty of rest the past few weeks. He didn't push his body in madrid, as points were short. Djoker and Nadal have not been impressive this year. I am sure he'll play rome :)

FxsRyT69OwI

alfonsojose
05-13-2012, 09:45 PM
He's not going to play

Mongoose
05-13-2012, 09:48 PM
what happens if Nadal beats Fed in the final?

EnriqueIG8
05-13-2012, 09:53 PM
Of course he will play.

Commander Data
05-13-2012, 10:13 PM
doubt it.

viruzzz
05-13-2012, 11:07 PM
http://www.tennisworlditalia.com/?section=pre&id=9391

Google Translator:
What happened when you served for the match?

When I served for the match I was unlucky on the first call doubtful, then he was good at making a great passer. These things happen and there is no particular reason. After six weeks to return to play was difficult, especially with these particular conditions, so I'm very happy with the result that I got.

You play in Rome?

I think so. We'll see tomorrow, has been a tough week, after six weeks of sleep. Should I play Wednesday, so I have two days to evaluate and try to make the right decision.

At Roland Garros you may return to the world number one, how important for you to reach the record of Sampras?

That would be spectacular, but not a thought so do not sleep at night. The important thing is to always play well.

You have reached a height of 20 Masters 1000 Nadal, what does this rank for you, is just a number?

Yes, Nadal has achieved this in such a short time, even if 8 Monte Carlo in a row helps, I'm glad to be with him in the head, but it's not a major thing.

You are elegant, have plans for the evening? (In Madrid tonight are the first in 3d Man in Black, ed)

I will look at the first Isle of Man in Black, consigliartelo before, I see it. Will told me to be pretty cool to be able to do the secret agent!

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 11:36 PM
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Yes, Nadal has achieved this in such a short time, even if 8 Monte Carlo in a row helps, I'm glad to be with him in the head, but it's not a major thing.

:lol:

cleverly hidden dig at nadal there.. downplaying the importance of MC and hence of nadal's ATP 1000 record.

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 11:38 PM
what happens if Nadal beats Fed in the final?

Nadal goes back to 2

Gagsquet
05-13-2012, 11:39 PM
Arrogant Fed again. All M1000 are equal Feddy. Don't talk shit about your opponent achievements.

HKz
05-13-2012, 11:45 PM
Nadal goes back to 2

What a blockbuster final if they were to play though.

SheepleBuster
05-13-2012, 11:48 PM
Arrogant Fed again. All M1000 are equal Feddy. Don't talk shit about your opponent achievements.

Keeping singing that to yourself to put yourself to sleep. In my opinion, Monte Carlo is a bullshit tournament only tailormade for Nadal. They just bend backwards so Rafa wins. Let's get real here. Let's install the blue clay there and see if Rafa wins :devil:

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 11:49 PM
What a blockbuster final if they were to play though.

it certainly would

then again, the clay match up between those 2 is on nadal's racquet. federer would end up having his fourth runner up plate in rome.

Looner
05-13-2012, 11:55 PM
What a blockbuster final if they were to play though.

Nope. A 'more' blockbuster final would be Nole-Nadal if Roger reaches the semis and loses to Nole. Then Nole basically determines with his game who gets the No.2 seed at RG. I consider this more suspenseful because we all know RF has about 10-15% of winning a match on clay against RN.

Another good one would have been if RF was in RN's half. Then RF would play RN once to stop him from reaching the final but had RN won, he might have had to play Djokovic again. This would have been perfect as it would present a double opportunity for a #2 match - a direct and an indirect one. As it stands, RN only has to go through one obstacle. Again.

JanKowalski
05-14-2012, 12:18 AM
Arrogant Fed again. All M1000 are equal Feddy. Don't talk shit about your opponent achievements.

Actually, that's not true. MC is different from all the other Masters 1000 in that it isn't a mandatory tournament. Nobody can deny it's prestigous though.

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 12:36 AM
Absolutely not. Federer was mentally worn out after Miami. Now he's just played another long week. Take time off and prepare for RG but even more importantly prepare for Wimbledon

bookish
05-14-2012, 12:49 AM
I suspect he won't play. Its a draining season this one. He's hardly lost a match recently, and despite the break has played a lot already.

Obv Madrid and Rome are back-to-back, but then there's one week off, 2 weeks at RG, straight to Halle, a week off and 2 at Wimbledon.

There's then a 2.5 week break; the Olympics Toronto and Cincy all back-to-back; 1 week off and the US Open.

That's a whole load of tennis to be played in a short period of time. I'm not sure he wants to (or should) grind it out in Rome when there's so much still to come. He's always finishes seasons strongly (unlike most other players), and while the thought of the number 2 ranking going into RG - and therefore a possible semifinal against Murray - is appealing I'm sure he'll be thinking longer term than that.

Maybe his body is up to it at this stage. We'll see.

nick the greek
05-14-2012, 01:01 AM
He definitely should.If he does',he'll win it.

viruzzz
05-14-2012, 01:05 AM
It all depends in how he feels.
I believe him when he says he's gonna fly to Rome and see how it goes.
I hope he is OK and plays his best tennis in the red clay.

HKz
05-14-2012, 01:25 AM
it certainly would

then again, the clay match up between those 2 is on nadal's racquet. federer would end up having his fourth runner up plate in rome.

Of course, as all their matches, it is always on Federer's racket.

Nope. A 'more' blockbuster final would be Nole-Nadal if Roger reaches the semis and loses to Nole. Then Nole basically determines with his game who gets the No.2 seed at RG. I consider this more suspenseful because we all know RF has about 10-15% of winning a match on clay against RN.

Another good one would have been if RF was in RN's half. Then RF would play RN once to stop him from reaching the final but had RN won, he might have had to play Djokovic again. This would have been perfect as it would present a double opportunity for a #2 match - a direct and an indirect one. As it stands, RN only has to go through one obstacle. Again.

While Federer's chance are certainly low against Nadal on clay, it is still always very interesting to see if he can ever get over that hurdle, regardless of whether or not we know the most probable outcome. At the moment, I don't like Djokovic's chances against Rafa. Like many have stated, he certainly isn't playing that great of tennis this year. He has had his moments, but nothing consistent. Rafa too hasn't been too extraordinary, but we know his consistent game can be problematic when his opponents are not feeling it.

Federer has to be EXTREMELY confident right now. I would say his confidence is almost as high as it has ever been, which is why I think it would be extremely interesting if he were to face Nadal in a tournament where their only match went the distance (5 sets) with Federer having 2 match points against Nadal (which he should have won to be honest.) So really, the storyline is there to be played out. His serve has been very potent, his backhand looks like it has been clicking and he has regained supreme confidence in his forehand. I mean we saw glimpses of him actually figuring out Rafa at times since the end of 2010 (bar Miami 2011). He had some great moments in Madrid last year, was the closest he ever was against Rafa at the French (regardless of Nadal's level in that final), ripped him to pieces in London, had many chances in the AO match and beat him quite easily in tough conditions at Indian Wells. Has Federer solved Nadal? Hell no. However, his backhand has become a consistent weapon in many of these matches, and couple that with the confidence he must be feeling only means Federer should arguably have a very good shot at beating Rafa on clay in Rome. Roland Garros will always be the biggest stretch, but there is always a very small possibility.

All I can say is, it will be extremely interesting the next few months.

heya
05-14-2012, 01:41 AM
federina hopes nadal will again distract djoker with his pleas for long, tedious matches on nasty clay and then more media promotions of tennis exhibitions.

heya
05-14-2012, 01:52 AM
fed clowns think djoker's immaturity equates to federer controlling the matches
of every opponent. let's see federer's luck if he plays davis cup and olympic semifinals too. then again, the god fed became "old" in 2007 because there was no roddick for him to laugh at.

viruzzz
05-14-2012, 02:13 AM
You're weeeeeeeeeeeeeird.

LinkMage
05-14-2012, 02:36 AM
Hopefully he feels fine and plays.

Needs at least a SF here. Final beating Nole would be great.


Still should have got SF at Miami and Monte Carlo for a chance at #1.

Topspindoctor
05-14-2012, 02:40 AM
I hope Olderer is nice and tired after Madrid. Winning Rome will be very hard considering it's proper red clay and Olderer struggled on it since 2008.

Fedtards getting excited over Olderer barely scraping through on blue grass against Berdshit should think again. He has literally zero chance to win Rome or RG.

I will be laughing when he makes another early exit to a random mug like Melzer like it happened in MC last year. :haha:

spencercarlos
05-14-2012, 02:46 AM
I hope Olderer is nice and tired after Madrid. Winning Rome will be very hard considering it's proper red clay and Olderer struggled on it since 2008.

Fedtards getting excited over Olderer barely scraping through on blue grass against Berdshit should think again. He has literally zero chance to win Rome or RG.

I will be laughing when he makes another early exit to a random mug like Melzer like it happened in MC last year. :haha:
Very very funny. Did not Melzer reached RG semifinals before and has a win over Djokovic there? :confused:
Mug statement to say the least. :wavey:

Note: Federer these days can lose to anybody on any given surface, he is not in top shape anymore, i am sure you are hitting yourself with the wall over the fact that even like this Federer is still challenging the top guys in the ranking, which should not be happening in the first place, but not his fault that Nadal's titles are spanned on the red clay basically. :wavey:

paseo
05-14-2012, 03:00 AM
:lol:

cleverly hidden dig at nadal there.. downplaying the importance of MC and hence of nadal's ATP 1000 record.

Me like, this Trollerer.

What a blockbuster final if they were to play though.

Man, you know better than that. It would be same old, same old.

Clay Death
05-14-2012, 03:01 AM
Hopefully he feels fine and plays.

Needs at least a SF here. Final beating Nole would be great.


Still should have got SF at Miami and Monte Carlo for a chance at #1.



Linky based on your ridiculous sig, what the hell are you doing here?

why are you not watching bass fishing tournaments? they are a lot easier to follow.

1. bubba catches fish
2. biff catches fish
3. they then weigh the fish

get the picture? so much easier to follow and understand.

cmoss
05-14-2012, 03:31 AM
Too bad,even if Fed can reach the final he'll unlikely secure his No 2.Only Djokovic and Isner can kick Nadal's a*s on that surface.

Topspindoctor
05-14-2012, 03:38 AM
Too bad,even if Fed can reach the final he'll unlikely secure his No 2.Only Djokovic and Isner can kick Nadal's a*s on that surface.

:superlol:

bari1991
05-14-2012, 03:55 AM
Hopefully he feels fine and plays.

Needs at least a SF here. Final beating Nole would be great.


Still should have got SF at Miami and Monte Carlo for a chance at #1.

I'd be super pleased if Djokovic reaches the final.He doesn't seem to be in form at the moment.A final against Federer or Nadal would be great challenge for him.A win would boost his confidence for Roland Garros,the most important thing for him this year.One more Grand Slam would be simply amazing.

cmoss
05-14-2012, 04:00 AM
:superlol:

If last year Roland Garros match was a 3 setter,Nadal would be truly molested by Isner.:rolleyes:

Isner was exhausted and lost last 2 sets.

guga2120
05-14-2012, 04:18 AM
Hopefully he makes the sf, so the #1 will crush him.

HKz
05-14-2012, 04:21 AM
Me like, this Trollerer.



Man, you know better than that. It would be same old, same old.

Well, of course, as I said in my response to the other poster, it would most likely have the same result, but look, as a fan of both players and as a bigger fan of Federer, I would much rather have Federer attempt to play Nadal, rather than lose in the previous rounds. Plus, there is always a chance. So many, including myself, didn't give Federer much of a chance of beating Nadal at Indian Wells, but look how that match turned out.

What has transpired over the course of this season, and especially this week, has made this a very prospective final to look out for.

Topspindoctor
05-14-2012, 04:21 AM
If last year Roland Garros match was a 3 setter,Nadal would be truly molested by Isner.:rolleyes:

Isner was exhausted and lost last 2 sets.

Isner was serving Nadal off court, that's IT. He could only win tie breaks.

Nadal was not broken a single time in 5 sets that he played.

People call Nadal a serve mug. What does it tell about Isner's return and ground game if he could not break Nadal over 5 long sets?

Face it, Isner's serve is what kept him alive in that match. He can't break Nadal on clay, easy as that.

HKz
05-14-2012, 04:28 AM
Isner was serving Nadal off court, that's IT. He could only win tie breaks.

Nadal was not broken a single time in 5 sets that he played.

People call Nadal a serve mug. What does it tell about Isner's return and ground game if he could not break Nadal over 5 long sets?

Face it, Isner's serve is what kept him alive in that match. He can't break Nadal on clay, easy as that.

Once again, your stupidity gets the best of you. Did you even watch the match? Isner did break Nadal's serve you clown.

Topspindoctor
05-14-2012, 04:37 AM
Once again, your stupidity gets the best of you. Did you even watch the match? Isner did break Nadal's serve you clown.

:stupid:

Fine, Nadal was broken once

He also won 81% of points on FS and 70% second.

Isner won 67% on FS and 58% on second.

This all serve clown had no business pushing Nadal to 5 on clay.

He got lucky, end of story. Nadal eats serve bots for breakfast on clay. (and anywhere else)

heya
05-14-2012, 05:28 AM
fed opponents think he was good at the davis cup matches.
they believe he is the second best clay player. kuerten and djoker mean nothing to them.
no surprise, as fed says he's one of the best players ever, if not the best.:o

HKz
05-14-2012, 05:30 AM
:stupid:

Fine, Nadal was broken once

He also won 81% of points on FS and 70% second.

Isner won 67% on FS and 58% on second.

This all serve clown had no business pushing Nadal to 5 on clay.

He got lucky, end of story. Nadal eats serve bots for breakfast on clay. (and anywhere else)

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/346/969638-cool_story__bro_super.jpg

duchuy89
05-14-2012, 05:53 AM
Yes, of course.

duong
05-14-2012, 07:03 AM
People talk, talk, we don't know the things (quite minor a priori but several things have been talked about) he has with his body :shrug:

That's the only important matter, it's not a matter of "is it worth playing or not ?" which people could answer in this thread.

Arrogant Fed again. All M1000 are equal Feddy. Don't talk shit about your opponent achievements.

that's not what he means : : Fed loves Monte-Carlo tournament, played great finals there and played a great role to let it stay a Masters 1000 tournament. "winning Monte-Carlo 8 times helps" he only means that when you are so good in a tournament that the win is nearly guaranteed to you, it feels easier to reach huge numbers of Masters 1000 won. Fed never felt such a guarantee in any tournament. Also maybe he values more diversity, which would be more like a "dig". But surely not does he mean that Monte-Carlo is a "shitty tournament" as a boring MTFer would say :lol:

Thanos
05-14-2012, 10:43 AM
i heard that he has a sandy vagina, so the answer is no.

Acer
05-14-2012, 12:38 PM
Nadal was not broken a single time in 5 sets that he played.


:stupid:

Fine, Nadal was broken once


Owned :cool:

Fujee
05-14-2012, 12:41 PM
The doctor just got served :lol:

GOAT = Fed
05-14-2012, 12:44 PM
Nadal was not broken a single time in 5 sets that he played.
:stupid:

Fine, Nadal was broken once

He also won 81% of points on FS and 70% second.

Isner won 67% on FS and 58% on second.

This all serve clown had no business pushing Nadal to 5 on clay.

He got lucky, end of story. Nadal eats serve bots for breakfast on clay. (and anywhere else)

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/06402767-wtf.gif

Topspindoctor
05-14-2012, 12:47 PM
Oh forgive me great tennis nerds, for I have sinned. I got a small fact wrong about a match that happened almost a year ago. I will repent by not making fun of Olderer for 30 minutes.

GOAT = Fed
05-14-2012, 12:49 PM
Oh forgive me great tennis nerds, for I have sinned. I got a small fact wrong about a match that happened almost a year ago. I will repent by not making fun of Olderer for 30 minutes.

http://i.qkme.me/3ola1h.jpg

Acer
05-14-2012, 01:01 PM
Oh forgive me great tennis nerds, for I have sinned. I got a small fact wrong about a match that happened almost a year ago. I will repent by not making fun of Olderer for 30 minutes.

No one remembers how many times Nadal got broken in that match. Still no one posts total rubbish and pretends it's a fact. Checking before posting sets apart people who are here to have an actual discussion from obvious trolls like yourself evidently.

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 01:09 PM
He absolutely shouldn't and he probably won't.

He's never won this thing so its not like he feels any kind of attachment.

That might give him more reason to try to win but I doubt its high on his list of priorities.

Fed knows how to stay fresh mentally and physically thats why he's never retired during a match and why he's still so good at 30 years of age.

Whatever decision he makes will definitely be the right one (unless he rolls an ankle or tears his knee up).

GOAT = Fed
05-14-2012, 01:10 PM
He absolutely shouldn't and he probably won't.

He's never won this thing so its not like he feels any kind of attachment.

That might give him more reason to try to win but I doubt its high on his list of priorities.

Fed knows how to stay fresh mentally and physically thats why he's never retired during a match and why he's still so good at 30 years of age.

Whatever decision he makes will definitely be the right one (unless he rolls an ankle or tears his knee up).

The question is why wouldn't he play? He just came back froma 5 week break, only playing one clay even leading upto RG isn't the best preparation. So of course he should play.

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 01:19 PM
The question is why wouldn't he play? He just came back froma 5 week break, only playing one clay even leading upto RG isn't the best preparation. So of course he should play.

Did you see Federer during the weeks between Rotterdam and IW? Did you see how slowly, after each tournament (even thought they got progessively more important), his enthusiasm dropped?

Federer's career success has been based on the fact that he doesn't get worn out mentally.

What are the pros to playing Rome? Pratice and match play on a slow clay leading up to RG are the only benefits. He can get one of those without playing.

What are the cons?

-Getting injured

-Getting mentally worn out

-Losing confidence by losing an early round match to an inferior player or even losing to Jokes or Nadal in a later match up

-Logging in too much action prior to his 2 biggest tournaments of the year which are due in the next 4 weeks.

Too many negatives, not enough positives. Absolute no brainer for me (and probably the GOAT).

For fans, it sucks to not see him compete at the highest levels but if you're truly a fan of his you'll appreciate him skipping this.

Theres a reason why guys like Rusty, Nalbandian, Roddick, Davydenko and Haas, although the same age, are breaking down physically and Fed looks like he's 21 years old. Lets keep it that way for a few more years.

Ace Pounder
05-14-2012, 01:19 PM
The question is why wouldn't he play? He just came back froma 5 week break, only playing one clay even leading upto RG isn't the best preparation. So of course he should play.

+ the Madrid clay wasn't necessarily a good prep. for RG, it was a very fast clay. To play in Rome would be the best thing to do.

GOAT = Fed
05-14-2012, 01:29 PM
Did you see Federer during the weeks between Rotterdam and IW? Did you see how slowly, after each tournament (even thought they got progessively more important), his enthusiasm dropped?

But you're leaving out the fact that he had played quite a lot of tennis from before Rotterdam, including a Grand Slam. Plus at IW, during the earlier rounds he had a virus.

Federer's career success has been based on the fact that he doesn't get worn out mentally.
Yeah, and I don't think playing two weeks in a row will wear him out mentally, especially since one of the clay surfaces (Blur clay) really doesn't prepare you with the RG clay.

What are the pros to playing Rome? Pratice and match play on a slow clay leading up to RG are the only benefits. He can get one of those without playing.
How? :confused:

-Getting injured
But that's a risk that's always there when you step onto the court, you can even get injured during a casual practice session.

-Getting mentally worn out
Can't see it happening by him JUST playing two weeks in a row. He's done this countless times in his career and it hasn't mentally worn him out.

-Losing confidence by losing an early round match to an inferior player or even losing to Jokes or Nadal in a later match up
Last season he went out pretty early. Didn't seem to affect his RG performance.

-Logging in too much action prior to his 2 biggest tournaments of the year which are due in the next 4 weeks.
But he hasn't played for the previous 5 weeks, so he should be very fresh.

Too many negatives, not enough positives. Absolute no brainer for me (and probably the GOAT).
You negatives are all too general which apply to any player playing at Rome.

Mercury
05-14-2012, 01:29 PM
Hello all, first time poster here. Didn't find an introduction thread so I figured I'll drop right in ;)

Anyways I think Federer will play in Rome even if only to have a few matches on actual clay before RG. Smurface doesn't count as actual clay practice me thinks, and I recon he'll think the same and drag him self out there even though it looked like he wasn't thrilled to start another tournament so quickly after Madrid.

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 01:33 PM
+ the Madrid clay wasn't necessarily a good prep. for RG, it was a very fast clay. To play in Rome would be the best thing to do.

Playing a match against Berlocq is going to help him because he hasn't played on RG clay in a year? He's played their like 14 straight years. He's played 61 matches there. I'm pretty sure he knows how to adapt.

He'll also get plenty of time to practice on the actual surface at RG.

In fact, we're talking about Roger Federer here. He probably has a replica of court Philipe Chatier in his backyard.

Now look at the downside and think about the mental damage a loss against Berlocq, Monfils, or even Djokovic or Nadal could have 10 days prior to RG.

Fed's confidence can go down quickly, we've seen it the last 3 years. He just won a major tournament and he's feeling really good about himself.

Thats worth more than practice time against Carlos Berlocq on a surface hundreds of miles away which may resemble Roland Garros.

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 01:38 PM
But you're leaving out the fact that he had played quite a lot of tennis from before Rotterdam, including a Grand Slam. Plus at IW, during the earlier rounds he had a virus.


Yeah, and I don't think playing two weeks in a row will wear him out mentally, especially since one of the clay surfaces (Blur clay) really doesn't prepare you with the RG clay.


How? :confused:


But that's a risk that's always there when you step onto the court, you can even get injured during a casual practice session.


Can't see it happening by him JUST playing two weeks in a row. He's done this countless times in his career and it hasn't mentally worn him out.


Last season he went out pretty early. Didn't seem to affect his RG performance.


But he hasn't played for the previous 5 weeks, so he should be very fresh.


You negatives are all too general which apply to any player playing at Rome.

You feel my negatives are general and don't apply directly to Fed yet to fail to show the positives aside from the fact that he'll get match play. Getting match play is overrated.

Djokovic won Wimbledon last year without playing a grass court warm up.

Fed won Madrid this year having only played 1 clay court tournament (on a completely different surface in Switzerland 3 months prior).

Those are two examples that quickly come to mind but you must be smart enough to weigh the pros and cons of playing this tournament for Federer and realize that not playing is by far more beneficial.

GOAT = Fed
05-14-2012, 01:38 PM
Playing a match against Berlocq is going to help him because he hasn't played on RG clay in a year? He's played their like 14 straight years. He's played 61 matches there. I'm pretty sure he knows how to adapt.

He'll also get plenty of time to practice on the actual surface at RG.

In fact, we're talking about Roger Federer here. He probably has a replica of court Philipe Chatier in his backyard.

Now look at the downside and think about the mental damage a loss against Berlocq, Monfils, or even Djokovic or Nadal could have 10 days prior to RG.

Fed's confidence can go down quickly, we've seen it the last 3 years. He just won a major tournament and he's feeling really good about himself.

Thats worth more than practice time against Carlos Berlocq on a surface hundreds of miles away which may resemble Roland Garros.

Again the same can be said about any player. So no one should play any tournament just in case they have an early exit? :confused:

GOAT = Fed
05-14-2012, 01:41 PM
You feel my negatives are general and don't apply directly to Fed yet to fail to show the positives aside from the fact that he'll get match play. Getting match play is overrated.

Djokovic won Wimbledon last year without playing a grass court warm up.

Fed won Madrid this year having only played 1 clay court tournament (on a completely different surface in Switzerland 3 months prior).

Those are two examples that quickly come to mind but you must be smart enough to weigh the pros and cons of playing this tournament for Federer and realize that not playing is by far more beneficial.

Yes match play is one of the main pros and by far the most important when you add in the fact that he hasn't played for 5 weeks prior to Madrid. He is still a little bit rusty, wouldn't hurt to get some match preparation. Also it might be vital to play in Rome if he wants to hand onto his no.2 ranking and push on for no.1 .

Yes Djokovic won Wimbledon without having played a grass tournament prior, but he had played a lot of tennis as well before Wimbledon, this is not the case with Federer.

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 01:48 PM
Again the same can be said about any player. So no one should play any tournament just in case they have an early exit? :confused:

No one is saying Santiago Giraldo should skip Rome to be fresh for RG. Heck, no one is saying David Ferrer should skip Rome to be fresh for RG.

We're talking about Roger Federer here. He has 20 of these titles. He has the most Grand Slams ever. He has immeasurable wealth and has achieved unparalleled success in the game.

He's trying to continue rewriting history. Even if he does win Rome, it does nothing major in terms of his major remaining career goals.

GOAT = Fed
05-14-2012, 01:52 PM
No one is saying Santiago Giraldo should skip Rome to be fresh for RG. Heck, no one is saying David Ferrer should skip Rome to be fresh for RG.

We're talking about Roger Federer here. He has 20 of these titles. He has the most Grand Slams ever. He has immeasurable wealth and has achieved unparalleled success in the game.

He's trying to continue rewriting history. Even if he does win Rome, it does nothing major in terms of his major remaining career goals.

I meant top players, sorry :o

But yeah, there's no reason why a healthy 30 year old (Again at the peak of his fitness) should not be able to play 2 weeks in a row.

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 01:53 PM
Yes match play is one of the main pros and by far the most important when you add in the fact that he hasn't played for 5 weeks prior to Madrid. He is still a little bit rusty, wouldn't hurt to get some match preparation. Also it might be vital to play in Rome if he wants to hand onto his no.2 ranking and push on for no.1 .

Yes Djokovic won Wimbledon without having played a grass tournament prior, but he had played a lot of tennis as well before Wimbledon, this is not the case with Federer.

Did you see why he decided to take 5 weeks off? He said after DC he almost took Rotterdam and Dubai off to rest and recuperate. Check the interview, its there.

Thats why he was so dispirited and uninterested during his loss to Roddick at Miami. He didn't want to be out there. Thats scary for a soon to be 31 year old who's literally accomplished everything thats possible in the game.

The same set of guidelines don't apply to him that apply to 99% of the tour.

Again, its part of the reason why he's achieved the success he has and part of the reason why he seemingly almost never gets hurt.

Like I said earlier, whatever decision he makes will definitely be the right one. He's proven he knows what he's doing when it comes to scheduling.

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 01:55 PM
I meant top players, sorry :o

But yeah, there's no reason why a healthy 30 year old (Again at the peak of his fitness) should not be able to play 2 weeks in a row.

David Ferrer is #6 in the world.

I'm sure he can play 2 weeks in a row.

He could play 10 weeks in a row if he had to. He doesn't have to and he probably realizes it. Thats what it comes down to.

MaxPower
05-14-2012, 01:58 PM
Rome is mandatory. If healthy he will play it. Otherwise he must bribe his doctor to write something about a fake back injury or whatever but Federer doesn't roll that way...

Busterovic
05-14-2012, 02:06 PM
07 May 2012 The two-time Madrid champion says he is feeling refreshed as he begins his clay court campaign in Madrid.

http://www.tennistv.com/video

Its hard to link the direct video but thats the title. If you look for it you'll find it.

Roger basically echos every single thing I've said in this thread.

About how the rest has helped him throughout his career and about how he's always been doing it.

How he knows playing only 16-17 tourneys a year along with taking up to as much as 7 weeks off at a time has helped him get to where he is today.

bjurra
05-14-2012, 02:07 PM
Rome is mandatory. If healthy he will play it. Otherwise he must bribe his doctor to write something about a fake back injury or whatever but Federer doesn't roll that way...

Are you trolling or are you serious?

JediFed
05-14-2012, 02:15 PM
He's trying to continue rewriting history. Even if he does win Rome, it does nothing major in terms of his major remaining career goals.

No one has won 8 of 9 master's tournaments. Rome would be number 8.

BroTree123
05-14-2012, 02:32 PM
Who gives a fuck.

cardio
05-14-2012, 02:40 PM
He's been doubtful since his first match ended. I think he'll play and hopefully lose to Nole in the SF so he can own RN somehow and get RF that #2.

Why should Djoko do hard work for him ? Novak has own problems to take care of. At this point, I think Djoko is not interested to play another final vs Nadal just before RG. His form is not good enough to beat Nadal and to lose as badly as in Monte Carlo would be bad for his confidence. More likely both Fed and Djoko are out of Rome before final.

MaxPower
05-14-2012, 02:41 PM
Are you trolling or are you serious?

no i'm super cereal

Silvester
05-14-2012, 05:16 PM
why would he not play? did i miss something? I couldn't watch the finals yesterday except the last point and he looked fine? He has a fairly easy time in Madrid besides R2 and finals.

mooncreek
05-14-2012, 05:17 PM
The question is dumb. Unless he has an injury (which I didn't see in the final), he has more incentive than ever to play.

STUHL
05-14-2012, 08:39 PM
According to Nick Lester he landed in Rome this afternoon!

samanosuke
05-14-2012, 08:44 PM
maybe Fed should actually withdraw. no country for old man in Rome. this is even slower than MC . the slowest clay this year

Allez
05-14-2012, 09:03 PM
Direct from the horse's mouth...

"The truth is that my body hurts after this tournament."

coluta
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
Yes, but he said he was going to Rome and would decide there.

Corey Feldman
05-14-2012, 09:10 PM
he should WD to avoid playing Berlocq

JanKowalski
05-14-2012, 10:21 PM
maybe Fed should actually withdraw. no country for old man in Rome. this is even slower than MC . the slowest clay this year

Nope.

Yolita
05-15-2012, 02:54 AM
There are several reasons why it makes sense for him not to play:

1. To get rested. He has shown how lethal he can be when rested.

2. He has never done particularly well in Rome. Only once did he make the finals (2006, lost to Rafa) and only once did he make the semis (2009, lost to Nole). So he may not do very well here, in spite of the easy draw.

3. At the moment, he has a great psychological advantage having won so much over the last 8 months and especially with all the hype he's been getting after his win in Madrid and his rise to the #2. He may want to keep that for Roland Garros.

4. Nole loves Rome, Rome loves Nole. If Nole beats Roger in the semis in Rome, that will give him some confidence. If Roger leaves it like that, Nole will have in his head the last clay match they played: the infamous Roland Garros defeat, when Nole was on fire and Roger stopped him. That's an advantage over Nole Roger may want to keep.

5. He lost early in Miami after having done so well in Indian Wells. He doesn't want that to happen here.

Having said that, I hope he plays and gets beaten by Wawrinka or by Isner again. He hasn't played Wawrinka since the Davis Cup debacle. I would love to see that match. :devil:

Topspindoctor
05-15-2012, 02:56 AM
Olderer will play in Rome.

This old man will want to win this prestigious clay masters.

rocketassist
05-15-2012, 03:55 AM
Just get to the quarters and tank so the 2 spot's secure for RG.

samanosuke
05-15-2012, 03:57 AM
.

2. Only once did he make the finals (2006, lost to Rafa)

wrong

Mjau!
05-15-2012, 04:01 AM
Just get to the quarters and tank so the 2 spot's secure for RG.

He needs a semi and a Nole win in the final.

Yolita
05-15-2012, 04:02 AM
Just get to the quarters and tank so the 2 spot's secure for RG.

If Rafa wins, he gets the #2 spot independently of Roger's performance.

If Rafa makes the finals, Roger needs to make the semis in order to secure the #2 spot. He cannot tank there because it would mean, in all probability, losing to Novak. I'm not sure he would like that. :devil:

@Samanosuke: You're right, I forgot the 2003 final he lost to Mantilla. The prehistory. :)

Jimnik
05-15-2012, 04:02 AM
Last year's Rome points came off already (for some reason).

Fedbot could make the final and still lose #2.

rocketassist
05-15-2012, 04:03 AM
He needs a semi and a Nole win in the final.

Too much for the old man sadly. I thought quarters might have done it cos of 3rd round last year but the points have already gone.

rocketassist
05-15-2012, 04:05 AM
Typical Nadull luck that. Luck no one else can have.

Yolita
05-15-2012, 04:45 AM
Typical Nadull luck that. Luck no one else can have.

What do you mean? The only reason Roger is #2 now is because the Rome points from last year were dropped before players had a chance to defend them. That has been happening a lot this year, but it's not normal. Usually, the points from the previous year drop the same day that the points from the current year are counted. So that if a player defends his points, there's no difference.

If that had happened this year, Rafa would still be #2 today, with the possibility of keeping the #2 by winning the tournament. Roger got lucky... :)

Thankfully Nole's lead is still quite high, so that even losing 1000 points before having had a chance to defend them, he still kept the #1.

Everything will go back to normal after Wimbledon, thankfully.

abraxas21
05-15-2012, 05:12 AM
Who gives a fuck.

i'd dare say fedtards, tv sponsors, commentators, charles the warlocq and simon reed probably give a vast amount of fucks or maybe, in the lesser cases, just a single but consistent fuck, wouldn't you agree? the same could be said about a lot of people who have posted on this thread wondering about the topic to the point one could confidently assert they also give a fuck. Furthermore, even the ones who in an attempt to sound asutely clever or noncholant by replying "who gives a fuck" deep down must give at least a little bit of a fuck, even if it's a small tiny fuck, or otherwise they wouldn't even care to express they don't, right? becuase if we were to believe they don't give a fuck at all, why the interest to make it clear that no fucks are available for them to give?

heya
05-15-2012, 07:13 AM
roddick WATCHED with crossed eyes as his dad federer lost 2 match points to the goat with 16 injuries.
ironically, chuck norris kicked roddick in the head and balls and roddick still had the attention span to stare at federer's balls.

no huge ego could save the duo federeroddick. neither could win a slam again.

iriraz
05-15-2012, 10:13 AM
It`s been confirmed that Federer will play in Rome
http://sport.ch.sportalsports.com/sportch/generated/article/tennis/2012/05/15/21829800000.html

Federer in 2
05-15-2012, 10:51 AM
Good decision. Any other sources?

Johnbert
05-15-2012, 11:08 AM
Good decision. Any other sources?

i've only got a german source too

http://www.sport1.de/de/tennis/tennis_atp/newspage_559640.html

Slice Winner
05-15-2012, 01:44 PM
Neil Harman just confirmed to me on Twitter that Roger is indeed playing Rome.
:)

acionescu
05-15-2012, 02:01 PM
Typical Nadull luck that. Luck no one else can have.



You forgot the 2 extra weeks at #1 that Fed had due to Olympic year 2008. Whose luck was that?

Mystique
05-15-2012, 02:14 PM
Apparently Rog is playing. Hope this means whatever discomfort he felt was nothing of significance. I dont think he will risk making it worse at this stage just before the most important two month stretch of the year for him.

garad
05-15-2012, 02:36 PM
What do you mean? The only reason Roger is #2 now is because the Rome points from last year were dropped before players had a chance to defend them. That has been happening a lot this year, but it's not normal. Usually, the points from the previous year drop the same day that the points from the current year are counted. So that if a player defends his points, there's no difference.

If that had happened this year, Rafa would still be #2 today, with the possibility of keeping the #2 by winning the tournament. Roger got lucky... :)

Thankfully Nole's lead is still quite high, so that even losing 1000 points before having had a chance to defend them, he still kept the #1.

Everything will go back to normal after Wimbledon, thankfully.

Yes, that is the only reason why Roger has number 2 now. Not that he is 45 - 3 since his unlucky loss to Djoko at USO, not that hes won 7 out of last 9 tournaments.

Would you mind terribly to try and exercise a portion of that brain of yours next time?

Foxy
05-15-2012, 02:50 PM
Yes, that is the only reason why Roger has number 2 now. Not that he is 45 - 3 since his unlucky loss to Djoko at USO, not that hes won 7 out of last 9 tournaments.

Would you mind terribly to try and exercise a portion of that brain of yours next time?

Not that he had won or had reached many finals of GS in the last 2 years :D

garad
05-15-2012, 02:58 PM
Not that he had won or had reached many finals of GS in the last 2 years :D

There is 8000 ranking points in total in slams per year.
There is cca 11000 ranking points in total non slam mandatory events per year.
So what point are you trying to make here?

Btw why are you talking about slams Fed didnt win in the last 2 years? Do we have a 2 year ranking system now? Maybe you shouldnt be lapping up subconsciously every Rafael's statement and try to think a bit...

zdravkelja
05-15-2012, 03:22 PM
Not that he had won or had reached many finals of GS in the last 2 years :D

Titles are what counts, not finals ;)

garad
05-15-2012, 03:24 PM
Titles are what counts, not finals ;)

Wrong, if we are talking about rankings, finals count as well, unless they give you zero points. Should be easy concept to grasp...

reery
05-15-2012, 06:46 PM
Titles are what counts, not finals ;)

This.

Ajk822
05-15-2012, 06:56 PM
This.

I believe Fed has more titles than Rafa in the past year anyway, so you're wrong either way. The only complaint you have with the ranking system then is that it doesn't make Nadal 2nd.

Corey Feldman
05-15-2012, 06:59 PM
the King arriving today for a practise

you can see Nole Fan at 0.20

207m1iFs3TQ

Ben.
05-15-2012, 07:27 PM
the King arriving today for a practise

you can see Nole Fan at 0.20

207m1iFs3TQ

The bald dude?

reery
05-15-2012, 07:32 PM
The rankings system should reward winners and not losers in finals. The bigger the gap between winning and losing in the finals the better.

Fujee
05-15-2012, 07:44 PM
The bald dude?

:lol:

ZakMcCrack
05-15-2012, 07:53 PM
The rankings system should reward winners and not losers in finals. The bigger the gap between winning and losing in the finals the better.

But you are aware that he who succumbs to the champ still has to get more than the other two semifinalists, right? Interesting point anyway, since there has been a lot of talk about the disparity of income on the ATP tour lately...and you do obviously embody "corporate thinking" in that regard.

Dyraise
05-15-2012, 08:01 PM
What do you mean? The only reason Roger is #2 now is because the Rome points from last year were dropped before players had a chance to defend them. That has been happening a lot this year, but it's not normal. Usually, the points from the previous year drop the same day that the points from the current year are counted. So that if a player defends his points, there's no difference.

If that had happened this year, Rafa would still be #2 today, with the possibility of keeping the #2 by winning the tournament. Roger got lucky... :)

Thankfully Nole's lead is still quite high, so that even losing 1000 points before having had a chance to defend them, he still kept the #1.

Everything will go back to normal after Wimbledon, thankfully.

:confused::confused::confused:

reery
05-15-2012, 08:02 PM
But you are aware that he who succumbs to the champ still has to get more than the other two semifinalists, right? Interesting point anyway, since there has been a lot of talk about the disparity of income on the ATP tour lately...and you do obviously embody "corporate thinking" in that regard.

Nadal can only win finals on clay these days. Even when he was 19 he was winning titles on HC, not anymore. Not since 2010. Nadal might win Rome and RG this year but after the clay season is over so will his Sundays winning titles for this year. It's back to basics for him. He has regressed to being a clay court specialist which is where he began anyways. He can't complain of dropping in the ranking when he can't even win a mickey mouse title on HC nowadays.

MIMIC
05-15-2012, 08:07 PM
The rankings system should reward winners and not losers in finals. The bigger the gap between winning and losing in the finals the better.

And then it wouldn't matter if you defended your finalist points. And Fed would still probably be No. 3 right now.

Think before you type.

reery
05-15-2012, 08:08 PM
And then it wouldn't matter if you defended your finalist points. And Fed would still probably be No. 3 right now.

Think before you type.

Fed can win titles anywhere these days, on any surface, unlike Nadal. That's why he is #2. Nadal only wins on clay since last year.

MIMIC
05-15-2012, 08:13 PM
Fed can win titles anywhere these days, on any surface, unlike Nadal. That's why he is #2. Nadal only wins on clay since last year.

And this has what to do with what I just typed? :scratch:

Allez
05-15-2012, 08:14 PM
the King arriving today for a practise

you can see Nole Fan at 0.20

207m1iFs3TQ

Poor guy...Roger this, Roger that :eek:

reery
05-15-2012, 08:15 PM
And this has what to do with what I just typed? :scratch:

That Nadal reaching a gazillion finals and losing most of them is why he is #3. Federer wins most of the finals he reaches. Why he is #2.

Tennis-Life
05-15-2012, 09:20 PM
you can see Nole Fan at 0.21

207m1iFs3TQ

too good mate, too god :worship: :superlol:

JanKowalski
05-15-2012, 10:02 PM
:confused::confused::confused:

You forgot to add Davis cup points and Nadal should not be counting Queens.

Total points should be: Nadal 9660, Fed 9520. Fed IS lucky to be No. 2 this week.

karool
05-15-2012, 10:14 PM
Fed can win titles anywhere these days, on any surface, unlike Nadal. That's why he is #2. Nadal only wins on clay since last year.

'These days'? When was the last time Federer won a tournment played on grass? He won a tournment on clay last week, but stayed almost 3 years without winning nothing out of hard courts.

barbadosan
05-15-2012, 11:12 PM
'These days'? When was the last time Federer won a tournment played on grass? He won a tournment on clay last week, but stayed almost 3 years without winning nothing out of hard courts.

Just curious.. how many grass tournaments are there to get a chance to win? With Fed not playing Halle, that left exactly 2 tournaments we're talking about that he didn't win.. Wimbledon 2010 and 2011 - so don't try to make it sound like he played and lost a gazillion grass tournaments. :eek:

Slice Winner
05-15-2012, 11:19 PM
'These days'? When was the last time Federer won a tournment played on grass? He won a tournment on clay last week, but stayed almost 3 years without winning nothing out of hard courts.

He did beat Australia on grass last Sept with the Swiss Davis Cup team.

barbadosan
05-15-2012, 11:22 PM
He did beat Australia on grass last Sept with the Swiss Davis Cup team.

I happily stand corrected :)

Yolita
05-16-2012, 01:56 AM
Yes, that is the only reason why Roger has number 2 now. Not that he is 45 - 3 since his unlucky loss to Djoko at USO, not that hes won 7 out of last 9 tournaments.

Would you mind terribly to try and exercise a portion of that brain of yours next time?

No need to get like that. I never said that was the ONLY reason. I said it was the only reason Roger was NOW the #2. All I was saying is that, if the system was the same as it usually is, Roger would probably have had to wait maybe one more week to get the #2, that's all. The same happened to Ferrer in Acapulco. His 500 points from last year dropped on the Monday the tournament started. As a result, Tsonga passed him and got #5. Then Ferru defended his 500 points and got the #5 back. A few weeks later, Tsonga passed him for good and is now holding the #5.

But when one week makes a difference, these little calendar adjustments can play in one player's favour. If the Davis Cup ties hadn't been moved this year, and the calendar had remained the same, Rafa wouldn't have dropped 600 points before the start of the tournament. In that sense Roger got lucky to get the #2. I was responding to somebody claiming Rafa was lucky. Lucky how? That he had to drop points before being allowed to defend them?

Imagine that Indian Wells is about to start next year, that Rafa is 600 points behind Roger, but the points drop before the tournament: Roger drops 1000 points, Rafa drops 360. Rafa passes Roger. Would you say that Rafa was lucky to pass him, even for 1 week? I'm sure you would. That's what happened here: Nole dropped 1000 points, Rafa dropped 600 and Roger dropped 90. So he passed Rafa. In ordinary circumstances he wouldn't have. That's all I was saying

Jesus... Are Fedtards always angry and aggressive? I thought they would be happy now that their man is winning... :rolleyes:

king David
05-16-2012, 09:24 AM
According to l'Equipe (paper) of today, he'll decide today if he plays or not, he's tired and a little bit injured. Wait and see

buzz
05-16-2012, 10:23 AM
According to l'Equipe (paper) of today, he'll decide today if he plays or not, he's tired and a little bit injured. Wait and see

Good to know hes learning the Nadal tricks!:devil:

(Hope the possible injury doesn't hurt his chances in RG of course)

Foxy
05-16-2012, 10:54 AM
According to l'Equipe (paper) of today, he'll decide today if he plays or not, he's tired and a little bit injured. Wait and see

I think it's old news printed out just today. If it was the case he would have withdrawn already as he wouldn't risk not playing RG, Wimby and Olympics.

duong
05-16-2012, 11:12 AM
I think it's old news printed out just today. If it was the case he would have withdrawn already as he wouldn't risk not playing RG, Wimby and Olympics.

if it's printed in l'Equipe today, it's not older news than the news posted yesterday on German-speaking websites.

However, he will probably play because his withdrawal would surely have been known this morning if it had been the case. He probably tested this morning and they thought it was good enough although he apparently has a few concerns.