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Mardy Fish and John Isner fire back at Ivan Ljubicic over Twitter

kiki24
05-13-2012, 12:06 AM
Not sure if you all saw the heated exchange between Ivan Ljubicic, Mardy Fish and John Isner today on Twitter, but it was pretty rough.

Ljubicic called out American players for skipping European tournaments and wondered what would happen if Europeans decided to skip US tournaments. Isner and then Fish both fired back and Fish even deleted his tweet probably realizing he went overboard!

Check the full recap, screenshots, and twitter fan responses here: http://www.tennisgrandstand.com/archives/13535

Paylu2007
05-13-2012, 12:09 AM
meh.. i like nadal/djoko crybaby whinners drama more

Orka_n
05-13-2012, 12:13 AM
lol. Pretty stupid comment by Legenda though to be fair.

156mphserve
05-13-2012, 12:17 AM
the last tweet there is right, Ljubicic needs to join MTF, would teach him a thing or 2 about ways to not make stupid comments

Topspindoctor
05-13-2012, 12:18 AM
Fish is proving he's dumb as well as obnoxious and horrible at tennis. At least have some balls to leave what you wrote and man up to it....nope Mugdy is too gutless to even do that. Hope he loses in R1 of every tournament he graces with his mug self.

Certinfy
05-13-2012, 12:22 AM
Fish just being his usual self.

Nothing to see here people.

bjurra
05-13-2012, 01:04 AM
lol. Pretty stupid comment by Legenda though to be fair.

I fail to see what is stupid about it.

bjurra
05-13-2012, 01:05 AM
Fish just being his usual self.

Seems to think he is the centre of the world.

Filo V.
05-13-2012, 01:11 AM
Mardy does have a disease of some sort, though, so one can see why he would get upset about the potshot from Ljubo.

Looner
05-13-2012, 01:14 AM
It's not as if Americans have done this for the first time ever. They've been ignoring the European clay swing for years and years.

moon language
05-13-2012, 01:26 AM
What is this about Lopez tweeting something about the US Open? Was it the thing with Gimelstob?

rickcastle
05-13-2012, 02:15 AM
Mardy Fish is a jerk but Ljubicic is out of line here, I really don't like it when players take potshots over other players on Twitter out of all places. Recently, Ljubicic also called Maria Sharapova disrespectful for calling Stuttgart one of her warm up tournaments for Roland Garros. He's getting a bit too touchy in his retirement, methinks.

BroTree123
05-13-2012, 02:20 AM
Both need their heads examined. No offence.

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 02:31 AM
I fail to see what is stupid about it.

andy roddick is the only yank player of today's era who has a history of routinely skipping european clay tourneys. mardy fish, ryan harrison, john isner and sam querrey do play most of the important clay euro tournaments with relative consistency. james blake used to as well but has fallen back in the last 2 seasons. not sure if that's due to his low ranking, injuries or something else...

i don't think there was a need for legenda to make such a generalization these days.

shotgun
05-13-2012, 02:43 AM
Would have been better had Ljubo made a direct attack on Roddick instead of making a generalizing comment about Americans.

As for Fish, his reaction and subsequent retreat is not a surprise, as he never seemed to be the smartest of tennis players.

Henry Chinaski
05-13-2012, 02:48 AM
andy roddick is the only yank player of today's era who has a history of routinely skipping european clay tourneys. mardy fish, ryan harrison, john isner and sam querrey do play most of the important clay euro tournaments with relative consistency. james blake used to as well but has fallen back in the last 2 seasons. not sure if that's due to his low ranking, injuries or something else...

i don't think there was a need for legenda to make such a generalization these days.

Querrey reached the Monte Carlo qf in 2008 and hasn't played since. He also won the title in Belgrade but didn't bother coming back to defend it.

Terrible attitude. At least Roddick somewhat earned the right to skip tournaments on clay.

Agree it was a dumb call from Ljubo though especially when Fish and Roddick have been struggling all year while Isner had a contract with Houston, so a valid reason for skipping MC.

I thought Ljubo would be a good bet to be running the ATP within a few years. No chance if he keeps pissing people off on twitter

moon language
05-13-2012, 02:54 AM
I don't have a problem with what Ljubicic said. Historically American players do have a pattern of skipping clay events. That said, this part of the season requires American players to be far away from home for a longer stretch than the two North American swings require of Euro players so it's not exactly comparable.

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 02:58 AM
Querrey reached the Monte Carlo qf in 2008 and hasn't played since. He also won the title in Belgrade but didn't bother coming back to defend it.

Terrible attitude.

true, but i wouldn't go as far as to call it a terrible attitude, though. in 2010 and 2011 he's played 3 or 4 clay tourneys in europe prior to RG. can't blame him for not returning to belgrade... maybe he didn't like the place :)

At least Roddick somewhat earned the right to skip tournaments on clay.

i'm not sure why you think "he earned the right". but don't get me wrong, i'm not judging him for it. i just don't think he (or anyone else for that matter) should be viewed on a different standard than other lower ranked players for the same decision. which in any case it isn't as it wouldnt be fair to say that sam querrey, unlike roddick, has routinely skipped the euro clay season in the past years.

coluta
05-13-2012, 03:02 AM
Roddick got mad:

I know for a fact that @mardyfish is going through some serious physical issues right now... Irresponsible tweet by @ivanljubicic1

@ivanljubicic1 also I definitely always respect the choices of ATP tour veterans because I know all of us do whats in the best interest of

Our health and our careers ..... I expect the same in return ..... @ivanljubicic1

This is fun :) Why would they do this on twitter?

rocketassist
05-13-2012, 03:05 AM
I think Ljubo's directly referring to Monte Carlo in the main, where the Americans have never given enough of a fuck to even turn up for years and years.

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 03:10 AM
I think Ljubo's directly referring to Monte Carlo in the main, where the Americans have never given enough of a fuck to even turn up for years and years.

true and now that MC isn't a mandatory tourney, things have not gotten better. not even federer, a player who has achieved a lot there, includes it in his schedule anymore.

but it's the nature of the game... then again, i'll never blame a player for not playing a non mandatory tourney. if not, might as well demand players to play the south american clay court season.

Busterovic
05-13-2012, 03:17 AM
Ljubicic has always been outspoken and very, very rude. Isner skipped Monte Carlo because he was kicking ass in DC and Fish is injured/sick. Roddick always skips MC and Isner played Madrid. Legenda's tweet is just completely ridiculous

Topspindoctor
05-13-2012, 03:30 AM
true and now that MC isn't a mandatory tourney, things have not gotten better. not even federer, a player who has achieved a lot there, includes it in his schedule anymore.

but it's the nature of the game... then again, i'll never blame a player for not playing a non mandatory tourney. if not, might as well demand players to play the south american clay court season.

Federer played in 2011, lost to Melzer 4 and 4.

He is so irrelevant on clay as slow as MC, he doesn't bother showing up, same as yanks.

But that is Legenda's point...Nadal used to be bad on HC, but he worked and improved.

THese clowns apparently think they're too good for clay. Terrible attitude, tbh.

Nobody cares for them anyway, those servebots can stay home and play prestigious events like Memphis, Delay Beach and others nobody gives a shit about,

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 03:33 AM
Federer played in 2011.

but he didn't include it in his original schedule, which is what i said

MC has been the less important ATP 1000 (important in the sense of the importance that the tour gives to it) for probly more than a decade. making it non-mandatory just added up to it.

Fireballer
05-13-2012, 03:33 AM
why would anyone play MC when Nadal is playing too every year

nobama
05-13-2012, 03:35 AM
I think Ljubo's directly referring to Monte Carlo in the main, where the Americans have never given enough of a fuck to even turn up for years and years.

The way some talk about Monte Carlo here you'd think it was more important than Wimbledon or RG. :o

rocketassist
05-13-2012, 03:53 AM
The way some talk about Monte Carlo here you'd think it was more important than Wimbledon or RG. :o

It isn't but it's one of the most prestigious tournaments besides the slams and has had mandatory status taken from it, most probably so the Americans get away with a fine for jibbing it.

mooncreek
05-13-2012, 04:14 AM
Would have been better had Ljubo made a direct attack on Roddick instead of making a generalizing comment about Americans.

As for Fish, his reaction and subsequent retreat is not a surprise, as he never seemed to be the smartest of tennis players.

Totally agree. Roddick, in defending Fish, nicely skirts away from his own skipping. We all know that's what he's doing - he's either skipped or half-heartedly played Madrid and Rome the last few years.

Action Jackson
05-13-2012, 04:54 AM
Isner isn't too bad when it comes to playing on clay in Europe, the others don't give a crap healthy or not.

Then again Americans bitch when European and South Americans chose to play the summer clay events instead of the North American hardcourts.

Goes both ways.

Mountaindewslave
05-13-2012, 05:25 AM
Ivan makes a great point, Americans go MIA during clay court season because they are lazy bums who are unwilling to adapt. if the Europeans did that to the American tournaments imagine the complaints and/or how much the tournaments would suffer in returnnn

gulzhan
05-13-2012, 05:27 AM
I think this exchange is quite cute :hearts:

Kat_YYZ
05-13-2012, 05:30 AM
Snoozefest :zzz: I was expecting something 'shocking'. Nothing in Fish's tweet that needed to be deleted 'almost immediately' -- nothing in Ljuba's comments that is so scandalous. Except I think he should have known that Fish was sick; even I vaguely remember reading something about that.

Using twitter makes people lose brain cells. :shrug:

Topspindoctor
05-13-2012, 05:36 AM
Fish is sick? I'm sorry but is being a mug considered being sick these days? If yes, then Fish has been sick his entire tennis career.

dencod16
05-13-2012, 05:36 AM
I think it's only Roddick that skips European Clay Purposely, though I am a Roddick fan it's true he somewhat gets an injury for Clay, the others they play the Mandatories, so it's all good. BTW Ljubicic If the Europeans skips the US Hardcourt We will have an American world no. 1. I guess go ahead Europeans skip American courts how many points is that converted to 0, 6000. LOL.

v-money
05-13-2012, 05:39 AM
I see nothing wrong with what Fish said, after all Ljubicic did make an overgeneralization. Plus only two Americans skipped this event - injured Fish and Roddick who has done the same thing for years. The irony is that both may have player well at Madrid if they showed up.

yesh222
05-13-2012, 05:49 AM
I loved how Isner didn't defend Roddick.

dwarf shortage
05-13-2012, 05:57 AM
it's weird how players like roddick and fish always have injuries or sickness during European tournaments

cutesteve22
05-13-2012, 05:57 AM
disgusting clay mugs like Isner, Fish, Roddick should be punished lack of respect for clay season, do they think they could win Wimbledon if they skip clay season? haha, what a joke.

Pirata.
05-13-2012, 06:18 AM
What is this about Lopez tweeting something about the US Open? Was it the thing with Gimelstob?

He was annoyed with transportation at USO in 2010 and tweeted that it was a disgrace and called it the "US shit open" :lol:

Mechlan
05-13-2012, 06:48 AM
Not Ljubo's place to call out others, esp. on a blanket statement like that.

Snowwy
05-13-2012, 07:33 AM
Why does it matter if Andy Roddick doesn't play the European clay season. He is only hurting himself (financially and ranking wise) and helping all of Filo V's favorite players by giving someone who would never qualify, a main draw spot.

And it's not like we see most Euros over in the US or NA outside of the mandatory events, including Ljubicic over his career. Clown comment.

MaxPower
05-13-2012, 07:57 AM
Not sure why Ljubo is taking a dig. Ofc he is retired now so maybe he doesn't give a damn. Can't be a surprise to him that most of the americans are active on twitter so he must have expected to get responses.

If he becomes tournament director in Umag or whatever tournament Croatia has he surely shouldn't burn the bridges with the american players. Maybe he just intends to be a grumpy old Legenda calling out tennis players on the internet. Hope for the latter :)

Jverweij
05-13-2012, 08:03 AM
Unnecessary remark from Ljubo, heated response from the Americans suggesting that he hit a nerve.

Ofcourse there is truth to this, even if it does not apply to all Americans, but I see no need for Ljubo to get annoyed by this.. who cares anyways?

Dougie
05-13-2012, 08:04 AM
The issue is nothing new, but considering that the level of american tennis in general is so crappy nowadays, I don´t really see why Ljubo would make such a big deal out of it now.
I dont know what FIsh´s problem is at the moment, but it´s funny he took Ljubos comment so personally...Roddick is useless on clay, always has been, so his presence doesn´t really make a clay tournament any stronger, quite the opposite. Isner, on the other hand seems to have a much healthier attitude for clay, played DC in MC, skipped MC ( understandable, because he had a contract with Houston), and now he played Madrid. As for the other americans, Querrey etc...who cares, really..?

Pirata.
05-13-2012, 08:39 AM
He is only hurting himself (financially and ranking wise) and helping all of Filo V's favorite players by giving someone who would never qualify, a main draw spot.

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garad
05-13-2012, 08:40 AM
Federer

He is so irrelevant on clay as slow as MC, he doesn't bother showing up, same as yanks.

,

As usual you dont have a clue. Hamburg used to be the slowest clay master on tour, and how many of those has Fed won?

Slow or quick is not a problem for him.

Pirata.
05-13-2012, 08:41 AM
My tweet regarding american &european players was to open the discussion rather then offend somebody. But i see some people got offended

And i am sorry for that. Wasnt the plan. And i definitely wish @MardyFish fast recovery!!!

Legenda :yeah:

BroTree123
05-13-2012, 08:49 AM
Ah damn, looks like we won't have Legenda sign up for MTF anytime soon :(

Allez
05-13-2012, 09:13 AM
Didn't take too long for the real Ljubo to show up :lol:. Please keep him as far away from having anything to do with the ATP as possible. It's clear he'd be stirring mindless shit up day and night. Not a fan of the Fish personality but on this occasion he's spot on. Wish he'd the balls to stand by his very reasonable tweet ;)

TheBaker
05-13-2012, 12:58 PM
Legenda shouldn't be complaining about this. One of the great things about the clay season is we don't have to watch douches like fish and roddick play. If anything we should be encouraging them to skip more tournaments.

Roamed
05-13-2012, 01:10 PM
Harrison got in on it....

@ryanharrison92: @IvanLjubicic1 Isner, young, Querrey raonic, pospisil, Harrison. All here in Rome. Lets do a little research before making comments.

I don't completely understand why they're so offended, it was an offhand casual comment and it's a fact that the American guys are generally less disposed towards playing the European claycourt season. Although Harrison's list of all the guys playing in Rome is good.

coluta
05-13-2012, 01:11 PM
Harrison kind of points out the obvious:

@IvanLjubicic1
Isner, young, Querrey raonic, pospisil, Harrison. All here in Rome. Lets do a little research before making comments.

Who else is missing besides Fish and Roddick? Nobody!

tennizen
05-13-2012, 01:45 PM
Americans spending too much time on twitter. Ljubicic at least has an excuse of being retired. :D

cobalt60
05-13-2012, 01:49 PM
Comical - all of them. On Twitter of all things. Forget Mardy deleting his Tweet how about no one has the balls to actually speak directly with someone.

Hypnotize
05-13-2012, 01:59 PM
Ljubicic and Roddick have a history dating way back. I remember Ljubicic saying 10 years ago that Roddick was unpopular with all the other players in the dressing room.

samanosuke
05-13-2012, 02:09 PM
Somebody should have three eyes talk with Fish. Too often saying to people that they are dumb. Moron thinks he is a science doctor or has IQ 170

Dougie
05-13-2012, 02:14 PM
Somebody should have three eyes talk with Fish. Too often saying to people that they are dumb. Moron thinks he is a science doctor or has IQ 170

FIsh may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he was right with his comment on twitter. He shouldn´t have erased it, I´m sure he doesnt like european clay very much, but at least he seems to have a good reason for his absence this time. I´m not a fan of FIsh (far from it) but he isn´t the issue here, not this time.

Tommy_Vercetti
05-13-2012, 04:30 PM
I blame the ATP more than anyone. They should not allow any other tournaments during MC events and should bring back the bonus pool, which requires the attendance at all. They brought the situation on themselves.

I can't blame some of these guys for playing closer to home in an easier tournament for a guaranteed fat appearance fee. It's not like they are one of the players that gets huge money in places like Dubai or Bangkok.

swebright
05-13-2012, 05:00 PM
When did Popisil and Roanic become americans??:eek:


May be Legenda doesn't know any other up and coming american players. ....:confused: May be he was digging at Roddick.

Mateya
05-13-2012, 05:08 PM
Legenda trolling on Twitter. :devil:

Lee
05-13-2012, 05:10 PM
When did Popisil and Roanic become americans??:eek:


May be Legenda doesn't know any other up and coming american players. ....:confused: May be he was digging at Roddick.

The blanket statement is big enough that it covers Canada. Seems like the "Americans" mean North Americans here. But then we need to include Mexicans though I am not sure they have players with rankings high enough to play there. ;)

Pirata.
05-13-2012, 05:41 PM
When did Popisil and Roanic become americans??:eek:

:lol:

SapELee
05-13-2012, 05:53 PM
The blanket statement is big enough that it covers Canada. Seems like the "Americans" mean North Americans here. But then we need to include Mexicans though I am not sure they have players with rankings high enough to play there. ;)

Do Canadians get offended when they are grouped with Americans from the states? I always thought we are interchangeable, but maybe you guys don't feel the same way.

Lee
05-13-2012, 06:12 PM
Do Canadians get offended when they are grouped with Americans from the states? I always thought we are interchangeable, but maybe you guys don't feel the same way.

I am both Canadian and US American so my opinion may be different. My feel is Canadians do not like it but they also do not care much.

SapELee
05-13-2012, 06:17 PM
I am both Canadian and US American so my opinion may be different. My feel is Canadians do not like it but they also do not care much.

Gotcha, I don't blame them though :lol:.

Time Violation
05-13-2012, 06:33 PM
Completely unnecessary tweet from Ljubo, don't see why he or anyone else should care whether someone will skip clay or no, none of his business, and it's not like Americans are clay goats anyway.

SapELee
05-13-2012, 06:35 PM
Fish is nothing but a arrogant,NO Master,NO slam semis punk ass and with all due respect to Ivan but NOFUCKINGBODY cares when the likes of Roddick,Blake,Fish and now Isner,Querrey skip the clay court season.NOBODY pays $ to see them play on the clay but people do pay $ to see their arrogant asses handed to them.They have NEVER won anything big over on clay and NEVER will and that includes Wimbledon and the Olympics too :rolleyes:

and Europeans are THE ones that make the ATP,Fish and his boys are sideshow and have for YEARS now.Soon after Wimbledon they play every single fucking tournaments before the big boys fly to the States and win as much as they possibly can because they know that once the BETTER players shows up,it's OVER for them until next summer.

Fish proves that he's nothing but loose skin now and a punk by deleting his shit.Fuck Mardy.NEVER liked this crude punk,NEVER will and I hope he fails miserably the rest of the 2012 season,him and his boys

:spit:

guy in sf
05-13-2012, 10:48 PM
I swear Mardy Fish is bitchier than the gay guys I know!
He fits right in with that bratty roster of American douch bag players over the years....Connors, McEnroe, Agassi, Roddick, Tarango, etc.

thrust
05-13-2012, 11:36 PM
I fail to see what is stupid about it.

Me too. Like it or not Fish and Isner have to realize that the best players today are the Europeans. Roddick is over the hill, Fish never was much, Isner is a very good player but certainly not in the same league as: Roger, Rafa, Nole, Ferrer or Murrary on a consistant basis. Who would care much about the US tour with just the Americans competing?

tennishero
05-13-2012, 11:58 PM
I see Ljubo has been learning the art of trolling, he would make a fine addition to MTF then!

fast_clay
05-14-2012, 02:26 AM
oh nice... another let's-beat-up-on-obese-and-lazy-yanks thread... always a treat...

come and get some you fat slugs...

SelvenluvJo
05-14-2012, 03:41 AM
the last tweet there is right, Ljubicic needs to join MTF, would teach him a thing or 2 about ways to not make stupid comments

:lol:

Topspindoctor
05-14-2012, 03:45 AM
Legenda is awesome at making yanks nerd rage. He should be more active on twitter :lol:

Mountaindewslave
05-14-2012, 06:49 AM
Why does it matter if Andy Roddick doesn't play the European clay season. He is only hurting himself (financially and ranking wise) and helping all of Filo V's favorite players by giving someone who would never qualify, a main draw spot.

And it's not like we see most Euros over in the US or NA outside of the mandatory events, including Ljubicic over his career. Clown comment.

what do you mean? a number of masters tournaments are required yet the Americans often deliberately skip out on the majority of clay masters or just do not care to push themeslves during this time period.

it's a bit insulting, their lack of respect to so many old tournaments with great histories and an entire segment of the season. it's also diseingenous, because you can be sure in many of the American's cases, they'll show up and fight their hearts out at Roland Garros but almost entirely ignore or not appreciate Monte Carlo, Madrid, Rome.

it's their careers, sure, but it can come off as a bit disrespectful to write off a good portion of the season in Europe like that... plus the fact that such a pure demographic often does it. Roddick, Fish, Querry in some cases, the Williams at different times, historically Sampras/Agassi a bit, many Americans

Time Violation
05-14-2012, 07:20 AM
it's a bit insulting, their lack of respect to so many old tournaments with great histories and an entire segment of the season. it's also diseingenous, because you can be sure in many of the American's cases, they'll show up and fight their hearts out at Roland Garros but almost entirely ignore or not appreciate Monte Carlo, Madrid, Rome.

Roddick has one 4R at Roland Garros and Fish has one 3R, other than that, they were regularly losing early, they weren't exactly fighting for the trophy there :)

Seingeist
05-14-2012, 02:42 PM
Foolish and wrongheaded (or "dumb," if you like ;) ) comment from Ljuba for a variety of reasons:

1. It's factually incorrect, as Harrison sufficiently pointed out.

2. It assumes a seat of judgment that does not belong to it. It's up to the individual players to decide which tournaments are in their best interests to play and which aren't :shrug:. If they're arbitrarily skipping tournaments that would help their careers, then they're only hurting themselves. If, on the other hand, the tournaments would offer no potential benefit to them at all, why on earth should they play them? I fail to see how the decision to skip or play a tournament bears any "moral" culpability whatsoever, and subsequently, I fail to see how it is anyone else's business. :confused:

3. (Related to #2) It carries the implicit assumption that the decision to play transatlantic tournaments is governed by some kind of internationally-oriented generosity of spirit :lol:. Give me a break. European players don't play the American swings because they love America so much and are hoping to extend an olive branch on their rackets. They play the tournaments because they wish to earn points, money, and overall career improvement.

C'mon Legenda. Exercise that shiny bald noggin' a bit more next time. :yeah:

Fumus
05-14-2012, 03:11 PM
I think Lluba is right though overall the Americans do tend to skip the Euro events....and not just the clay ones. I just Ivan should be a bit more tactful about how he phrases things.

abraxas21
05-14-2012, 03:53 PM
Foolish and wrongheaded (or "dumb," if you like ;) ) comment from Ljuba for a variety of reasons:

1. It's factually incorrect, as Harrison sufficiently pointed out.

2. It assumes a seat of judgment that does not belong to it. It's up to the individual players to decide which tournaments are in their best interests to play and which aren't :shrug:. If they're arbitrarily skipping tournaments that would help their careers, then they're only hurting themselves. If, on the other hand, the tournaments would offer no potential benefit to them at all, why on earth should they play them? I fail to see how the decision to skip or play a tournament bears any "moral" culpability whatsoever, and subsequently, I fail to see how it is anyone else's business. :confused:

3. (Related to #2) It carries the implicit assumption that the decision to play transatlantic tournaments is governed by some kind of internationally-oriented generosity of spirit :lol:. Give me a break. European players don't play the American swings because they love America so much and are hoping to extend an olive branch on their rackets. They play the tournaments because they wish to earn points, money, and overall career improvement.

C'mon Legenda. Exercise that shiny bald noggin' a bit more next time. :yeah:

actually, no. the players who participate in the ATP have to abide by the rules and some of rules explicitly set a list of mandatory tournaments which are especially more strict for the top players. It's not simply up to the individual players "to decide which tournaments are in their best interests to play and which aren't".

LoveFifteen
05-14-2012, 06:03 PM
Ummm, someone might want to let Ljubicic know that the top 30 has 23 Europeans players, but only 3 Americans. (Four, if you want to include Raonic as a North American).

How on earth are European tournaments affected when some of the Americans do not attend? :unsure:

Is it really that devastating that Andy Roddick doesn't come to Monte Carlo? :shrug:

bjurra
05-14-2012, 06:13 PM
actually, no. the players who participate in the ATP have to abide by the rules and some of rules explicitly set a list of mandatory tournaments which are especially more strict for the top players. It's not simply up to the individual players "to decide which tournaments are in their best interests to play and which aren't".

Sure, but what is the ATP going to do? You tell a doctor you have migrane, is the doctor going to say "hm, are you sure you just don't like clay?"

bjurra
05-14-2012, 06:17 PM
Foolish and wrongheaded (or "dumb," if you like ;) ) comment from Ljuba for a variety of reasons:

1. It's factually incorrect, as Harrison sufficiently pointed out.

It's not factually incorrect. The only players that are less interested in European clay than Americans are Chinese and Japanese players. I agree with the rest of your post though.

liverpoolshivank
05-14-2012, 06:32 PM
Mardy Fish is a jerk but Ljubicic is out of line here, I really don't like it when players take potshots over other players on Twitter out of all places. Recently, Ljubicic also called Maria Sharapova disrespectful for calling Stuttgart one of her warm up tournaments for Roland Garros. He's getting a bit too touchy in his retirement, methinks.

This. The old man is going crazy it seems. :tape:

Calling Maria disrespectful for saying that Stuttgart is a warm up for RG(then what is it? ffs :hysteric: ) and know this. :facepalm:

Howard
05-14-2012, 07:00 PM
the last tweet there is right, Ljubicic needs to join MTF, would teach him a thing or 2 about ways to not make stupid commentsI assume you were going for irony here.

Lestat
05-14-2012, 07:07 PM
Ljubicic trolling :haha:

HoorayBeer
05-14-2012, 08:24 PM
There is only 1 American who goes out of his way to skip the European Clay. Ljubicic should have maned up and called Roddick out instead of making a blanket ignorant statement like that.

Snowwy
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
what do you mean? a number of masters tournaments are required yet the Americans often deliberately skip out on the majority of clay masters or just do not care to push themeslves during this time period.

it's a bit insulting, their lack of respect to so many old tournaments with great histories and an entire segment of the season. it's also diseingenous, because you can be sure in many of the American's cases, they'll show up and fight their hearts out at Roland Garros but almost entirely ignore or not appreciate Monte Carlo, Madrid, Rome.

it's their careers, sure, but it can come off as a bit disrespectful to write off a good portion of the season in Europe like that... plus the fact that such a pure demographic often does it. Roddick, Fish, Querry in some cases, the Williams at different times, historically Sampras/Agassi a bit, many Americans

What about the Paris Masters event? Or is that because we can't hate on Americans, that is okay?

On MTF, players can't win. They skip some events they don't really care about and they are disrespectful but if they play the events like Nadal does, they are stupid for over playing?

It really seems like some people in this thread are using it to push their own agenda's (ie their hate for Americans) and not really commenting on the issue of of the tweets by Ljubicic.

Lestat
05-14-2012, 09:39 PM
There is only 1 American who goes out of his way to skip the European Clay. Ljubicic should have maned up and called Roddick out instead of making a blanket ignorant statement like that.

definitely. in fact it was a stupid statement this from Ljubicic. I think he woke up after a crazy night, turned on the PC, logged on twitter and wrote the first stupid thing that crossed his mind.

lalaland
05-14-2012, 09:54 PM
Honestly, I don't know why ppl would care, they suck on clay anyway. I prefer Fish skipping European clay than showing up to occupy a Top 8 seeding only to leave the draw wild open after R2 (since he'll no doubt beat Bye). I hope he skips RG too. He's a force in the summer and I hope he's healthy by then, but I'm more than happy that he didn't turn up in Europe this month.

As for Roddick, wasn't he hurt? He tried last year and came up empty, besides, we're more accustomed to him not going to the European clay, so no one is missing him, I think.

legolandbridge
05-15-2012, 12:33 AM
The American summer season is more compact: 2 weeks of Masters, 1 week prep, and then the USO.

The Americans usually schedule likewise with the European clay season: come for Rome and sometimes Madrid then a week prep in Paris before RG, but it makes sense for them to skip Monte Carlo/Barcelona which is 5 weeks prior to RG at least. Not to mention they still have go to London. Easier done when you're based in Majorca, Basel or Monaco.
The European guys have shown to be quite prone to skip the Asian season themselves to limit wear and fatigue. So It's all the same behavior. Legenda should know better.
But maybe Fish has a bad condition and so emotions are flying high? What's wrong with him anyway?

Geo
05-15-2012, 02:13 AM
:lol: it's a shame Roddick hasn't responded since he's the main culprit. I remember the Roddick-Ljubicic beef from the mid 2000s :lol:

Lee
05-15-2012, 02:37 AM
:lol: it's a shame Roddick hasn't responded since he's the main culprit. I remember the Roddick-Ljubicic beef from the mid 2000s :lol:

He had made three responses

http://tennis.si.com/2012/05/14/ivan-ljubicic-criticizes-americans-for-skipping-clay/

Naudio Spanlatine
05-15-2012, 02:41 AM
The Americans vs. Ljubucic.........

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j464/fashnuguess/anas%20forum%20pics/AVATARS/2rzxnr7.gif

Seingeist
05-15-2012, 03:01 AM
actually, no. the players who participate in the ATP have to abide by the rules and some of rules explicitly set a list of mandatory tournaments which are especially more strict for the top players. It's not simply up to the individual players "to decide which tournaments are in their best interests to play and which aren't".

Don't be deliberately obtuse.

I didn't think that it was necessary to add the explicit qualifier, "of all the tournaments the players are not mandated to play, it's up to them to decide," because the vast majority of posters here know about the mandatory tournaments. Only someone trying to win a cheap point would pose such a silly objection.

heya
05-15-2012, 04:24 AM
roddick should listen to champion djokovic (http://www.tennistv.com/video#1987126)now.

oh, well, it's 10 years too late for advice.
djoker was 14 in 2002, and his family had scarce amounts of food
to eat, so he couldn't meet roddick yet.


fat injured slobs who brag about eating junk food shouldn't pretend they care about "health and tennis".

i wonder why 175 pound geniuses win but 208 pound roddick's an awful opponent who doesn't do anything but beg for money and
pretend he worries for mardy fish's reputation and health.
funny how roddick said nothing about the fake courage image and neglect
of concern for himself and his "friends" 5 years ago.
he attacks anyone who dared to criticize his cowardly personality.
i guess he didn't learn how to be a man who needs to quit tennis.

weren't fish and roddick living together at the roddick family
house while learning to be nothing special on the tennis court?

roddick shows mock outrage...
how about some cold pizza, tacos and burgers for fish and roddick?
in the usa, of course.
manipulative sycophants.

Roddickominator
05-15-2012, 04:58 AM
Just when you hoped the tennis world was finally rid of the bald loser Ljubicic, he decides to stick his nose where it doesn't belong. If he has a problem, he needs to knock off the internet warrior crap and come talk to Roddick to his face....then get smacked around in the locker room like the last time they had an issue.

If the Americans don't want to play on the primitive European clay surfaces, then who really cares? More points and prize money for everyone else. I can't imagine that Mardy Fish is a big draw over there....and everyone knows that Roddick is going out early in those tournaments if he even decides to show up.

Pick your battles a little better, bald loser.

abraxas21
05-15-2012, 05:28 AM
Don't be deliberately obtuse.

I didn't think that it was necessary to add the explicit qualifier, "of all the tournaments the players are not mandated to play, it's up to them to decide," because the vast majority of posters here know about the mandatory tournaments. Only someone trying to win a cheap point would pose such a silly objection.

right :lol:

it's obvious that ljubo is talking about the important euro clay tournaments of which only MC is non-mandatory.

Orysbestos
05-15-2012, 08:03 AM
How exactly does Mardy come across stupid in this?

Pea
05-15-2012, 08:59 AM
Oh please the americans and the american commentators have bitched about the "claycourters" and European players skipping Wimbledon and their own tourneys in the past. It goes both ways. At least the "claycourters" own up to the fact that they skip on purpose. These american players are hiding behind excuses and fighting :lol: on twitter. Good Lord.

Nole fan
05-15-2012, 11:12 AM
It's funny, thanks god we've got twitter. I use it exclusively to follow tennis players though. Can't find any other good use for it.

Ljubicic has a point but he was wrong in how he said it. He was man enough to apologise afterwards. :yeah:

gulzhan
05-15-2012, 11:18 AM
This is usual problem with Americans. They want to do what they want and then they want the world say that they do what they have to. I think Americans would look much better if they didn't try to look good but admitted they are the way they are :shrug: Sort of as we, Kazaks, do.

Roddick/Fish/Isner should not persuade everyone that pee is God's tear but simply say-- yes, we will not play clay tournaments because we suck there. If you don't want to play US hard, fine, it's free world.

Li Ching Yuen
05-15-2012, 01:08 PM
roddick should listen to champion djokovic (http://www.tennistv.com/video#1987126)now.

oh, well, it's 10 years too late for advice.
djoker was 14 in 2002, and his family had scarce amounts of food
to eat, so he couldn't meet roddick yet.


fat injured slobs who brag about eating junk food shouldn't pretend they care about "health and tennis".

i wonder why 175 pound geniuses win but 208 pound roddick's an awful opponent who doesn't do anything but beg for money and
pretend he worries for mardy fish's reputation and health.
funny how roddick said nothing about the fake courage image and neglect
of concern for himself and his "friends" 5 years ago.
he attacks anyone who dared to criticize his cowardly personality.
i guess he didn't learn how to be a man who needs to quit tennis.

weren't fish and roddick living together at the roddick family
house while learning to be nothing special on the tennis court?

roddick shows mock outrage...
how about some cold pizza, tacos and burgers for fish and roddick?
in the usa, of course.
manipulative sycophants.

:worship:

Snowwy
05-15-2012, 11:38 PM
This is usual problem with Americans. They want to do what they want and then they want the world say that they do what they have to. I think Americans would look much better if they didn't try to look good but admitted they are the way they are :shrug: Sort of as we, Kazaks, do.

Roddick/Fish/Isner should not persuade everyone that pee is God's tear but simply say-- yes, we will not play clay tournaments because we suck there. If you don't want to play US hard, fine, it's free world.

This post is borderline prejudice towards Americans, but really no surprise from this poster sadly. This is a huge overgeneralization. There is one player that decides not to play clay court events. The last time he did play them in 2008, he made the semi-finals of Rome, only to get injured and miss an entire month of the season. If the season is too long, he is older and more injury prone, why should this tennis player go out of his way to play there? Also, I'm not sure if you are married or not gulzhan, but do you spend any time with your husband? If you where married, would you want to spend any time with your husband? You are crucifying an entire nation over a player that has different priorities than you think he should have. He prioritizes his family and his health so he takes a month off at the part of the season he struggles with and does not like. Have you ever thought about the lifestyle of a tennis player? It's shit and Andy Roddick has been doing this for 30 years. It seems to me we should actually be worshipping this guy for having the correct priorities in life and wondering what a guy like Davydenko is doing, dragging his wife around to every tournament when he no longer is a threat anywhere.

Also, Andy Roddick on clay is 75 - 39. You should make a list of players who have 75 wins on clay on the ATP tour that are active. Then eliminate the ones who have more than 39 losses or less than a 0.658 winning percentage. Then put them in categories from clay is favorite surface, clay is okay, clay is weakest surface. Check who else is on that list with Roddick. My guess is you may not find a player. Not bad for a player who sucks on the surface, is it?

As for Mardy Fish, he has been at the clay court masters events every year since 2007 and before that his ranking wasn't always high enough to be ensured entry. He does 'suck' on clay with only 29 ATP wins on clay but his 1 title is more than many clay court specialists who last for years with it being their best surface. As I am sure you didn't bother to read, he is sick this year and unless you are also a doctor with contact to him, I don't know how you can not take his word, there is nothing to say that he wouldn't be there if he could be there.

Finally John Isner also really sucks on clay. He's so terrible that when he played Roger Federer, he got triple bageled. Oops, my mistake, he actually won. He won two sets off of Rafael Nadal at RG, the only other player to do that was Robin Soderling. Not Federer, not Djokovic, no other player. Isner's ranking has only been high enough since 2010 to play in the clay masters and he has been there every year.

Then finally the last sentence is the greatest contradiction of all. Americans should announce they don't play the Master's events on clay because they suck, but anyone can not play the US hard tournaments because it is a free world. There is nothing else to say about this other than this is one messed up and prejudice opinion.

Pea
05-16-2012, 12:45 AM
75 wins on American clay isn't something to gloat about.

Jamoz
05-16-2012, 12:53 AM
This post is borderline prejudice towards Americans, but really no surprise from this poster sadly. This is a huge overgeneralization. There is one player that decides not to play clay court events. The last time he did play them in 2008, he made the semi-finals of Rome, only to get injured and miss an entire month of the season. If the season is too long, he is older and more injury prone, why should this tennis player go out of his way to play there? Also, I'm not sure if you are married or not gulzhan, but do you spend any time with your husband? If you where married, would you want to spend any time with your husband? You are crucifying an entire nation over a player that has different priorities than you think he should have. He prioritizes his family and his health so he takes a month off at the part of the season he struggles with and does not like. Have you ever thought about the lifestyle of a tennis player? It's shit and Andy Roddick has been doing this for 30 years. It seems to me we should actually be worshipping this guy for having the correct priorities in life and wondering what a guy like Davydenko is doing, dragging his wife around to every tournament when he no longer is a threat anywhere.

Also, Andy Roddick on clay is 75 - 39. You should make a list of players who have 75 wins on clay on the ATP tour that are active. Then eliminate the ones who have more than 39 losses or less than a 0.658 winning percentage. Then put them in categories from clay is favorite surface, clay is okay, clay is weakest surface. Check who else is on that list with Roddick. My guess is you may not find a player. Not bad for a player who sucks on the surface, is it?

As for Mardy Fish, he has been at the clay court masters events every year since 2007 and before that his ranking wasn't always high enough to be ensured entry. He does 'suck' on clay with only 29 ATP wins on clay but his 1 title is more than many clay court specialists who last for years with it being their best surface. As I am sure you didn't bother to read, he is sick this year and unless you are also a doctor with contact to him, I don't know how you can not take his word, there is nothing to say that he wouldn't be there if he could be there.

Finally John Isner also really sucks on clay. He's so terrible that when he played Roger Federer, he got triple bageled. Oops, my mistake, he actually won. He won two sets off of Rafael Nadal at RG, the only other player to do that was Robin Soderling. Not Federer, not Djokovic, no other player. Isner's ranking has only been high enough since 2010 to play in the clay masters and he has been there every year.

Then finally the last sentence is the greatest contradiction of all. Americans should announce they don't play the Master's events on clay because they suck, but anyone can not play the US hard tournaments because it is a free world. There is nothing else to say about this other than this is one messed up and prejudice opinion.

Damn, this is longer than Lord of the Rings. I give a cookie all of those who will read that text (a cheap cookie)

Snowwy
05-16-2012, 01:26 AM
75 wins on American clay isn't something to gloat about.

Is Halle real grass then? Or Chennai real hard courts?

On this pretend clay, he beat Sampras, Coria, Blake, Melzer twice, losing only to former #2 Tommy Haas twice and former #1 Andre Agassi.

You can try as hard as you want to take his results away, and really I'm not surprised to see another frequent American basher stepping up here. Next up will probably be abraxas.

Topspindoctor
05-16-2012, 01:30 AM
Fact is - american clay plays nothing like european. They even make clay to favor serve bots and mindless ballbashers :shrug:

Roddick and the rest of his ilk are hopeless on red stuff. Some of the losses he had in RG are simply hilarious.

Fact remains fact. No American (apart from Agassi :worship:) was ever good on slow clay.

faboozadoo15
05-16-2012, 01:39 AM
Snowwy! Wow.

Pea
05-16-2012, 01:45 AM
*shakeshead@snowwy*

Looner
05-16-2012, 01:48 AM
Is Halle real grass then? Or Chennai real hard courts?

On this pretend clay, he beat Sampras, Coria, Blake, Melzer twice, losing only to former #2 Tommy Haas twice and former #1 Andre Agassi.

You can try as hard as you want to take his results away, and really I'm not surprised to see another frequent American basher stepping up here. Next up will probably be abraxas.

:facepalm:

faboozadoo15
05-16-2012, 01:50 AM
Fact is - american clay plays nothing like european. They even make clay to favor serve bots and mindless ballbashers :shrug:

Roddick and the rest of his ilk are hopeless on red stuff. Some of the losses he had in RG are simply hilarious.

Fact remains fact. No American (apart from Agassi :worship:) was ever good on slow clay.

What a dumb post. Any clay court in USA plays more like a clay court than the garbage in Madrid.

Har-tru (green clay) is a surface which is older than the professional tour. It isn't just some invention the Americans came up with for Andy Roddick or something. :weirdo:

Don Budge, Don McNeil, Frank Parker, Budge Patty, and Tony Trabert all won the Franch Championship.

Michael Chang, Jim Courier (2X), and Andre Agassi have won the French Open.

USA is the 4th most successful nation at the French Championships/French Open.

Bottom line: You're an idiot.

Lee
05-16-2012, 02:05 AM
Damn, this is longer than Lord of the Rings. I give a cookie all of those who will read that text (a cheap cookie)

I read it but I don't want your cheap cookie. My homemade ones are better than any you can buy from a store :angel:

Fact is - american clay plays nothing like european. They even make clay to favor serve bots and mindless ballbashers :shrug:

Roddick and the rest of his ilk are hopeless on red stuff. Some of the losses he had in RG are simply hilarious.

Fact remains fact. No American (apart from Agassi :worship:) was ever good on slow clay.

Fact is - Houston's tournament, the only men's clay court championship in US, use the same red clay as in RG :shrug:

Nole fan
05-16-2012, 02:27 AM
Just when you hoped the tennis world was finally rid of the bald loser Ljubicic, he decides to stick his nose where it doesn't belong. If he has a problem, he needs to knock off the internet warrior crap and come talk to Roddick to his face....then get smacked around in the locker room like the last time they had an issue.

If the Americans don't want to play on the primitive European clay surfaces, then who really cares? More points and prize money for everyone else. I can't imagine that Mardy Fish is a big draw over there....and everyone knows that Roddick is going out early in those tournaments if he even decides to show up.

Pick your battles a little better, bald loser.

The thing is... no one really misses them.

rocketassist
05-16-2012, 02:31 AM
Without wanting to go American-bashing, why do you think Monte Carlo was stripped of its mandatory status? So the Americans would avoid a fine for not turning up. It's blatantly obvious.

fast_clay
05-16-2012, 02:32 AM
Fact remains fact. No American (apart from Agassi :worship:) was ever good on slow clay.

the fail is strong :worship:

rocketassist
05-16-2012, 02:34 AM
topspindoctor forgets Chang and Courier.

Topspindoctor
05-16-2012, 02:38 AM
Chang was a fluke pusher with no game. He should have lost to Lendl in R4, but resorted to clown tactics like underhand serve to throw him off his game. Disgraceful that he won RG trophy :o

Agassi made THREE RG finals (winning one). He was good on clay unlike Clownpras who couldn't win anything on slow surface.

faboozadoo15
05-16-2012, 03:01 AM
Chang was a fluke pusher with no game. He should have lost to Lendl in R4, but resorted to clown tactics like underhand serve to throw him off his game. Disgraceful that he won RG trophy :o

Agassi made THREE RG finals (winning one). He was good on clay unlike Clownpras who couldn't win anything on slow surface.

:shrug: Have you taken your meds? Several people (including me) have also mentioned Courier, who won twice.

Are you taking your time figuring out a way to discredit his TWO wins?

MIMIC
05-16-2012, 03:30 AM
I do think that Ljubicic needs to calm it on the whole keyboard warrior thing... or join MTF.

:lol:

Also, seriously....what made Isner think of Fish? I was thinking of Roddick the whole time.

Pigpen Stinks
05-16-2012, 03:44 AM
:shrug: Have you taken your meds? Several people (including me) have also mentioned Courier, who won twice.

Are you taking your time figuring out a way to discredit his TWO wins?

Courier doesn't count because he beat two known dopers.

Thunderfish8
05-16-2012, 04:09 AM
Chang was a fluke pusher with no game. He should have lost to Lendl in R4, but resorted to clown tactics like underhand serve to throw him off his game. Disgraceful that he won RG trophy :o

Agassi made THREE RG finals (winning one). He was good on clay unlike Clownpras who couldn't win anything on slow surface.

well nobody ever said shit about "Clownpras". I believe the Courier was the man in question...
As Mardy Fish would say, "do your homework before you make dumb comments"

On a completely different topic, how did this discussion manage to become a war over who did and did not deserve to win Roland Garros???

Thunderfish8
05-16-2012, 04:15 AM
This post is borderline prejudice towards Americans, but really no surprise from this poster sadly. This is a huge overgeneralization. There is one player that decides not to play clay court events. The last time he did play them in 2008, he made the semi-finals of Rome, only to get injured and miss an entire month of the season. If the season is too long, he is older and more injury prone, why should this tennis player go out of his way to play there? Also, I'm not sure if you are married or not gulzhan, but do you spend any time with your husband? If you where married, would you want to spend any time with your husband? You are crucifying an entire nation over a player that has different priorities than you think he should have. He prioritizes his family and his health so he takes a month off at the part of the season he struggles with and does not like. Have you ever thought about the lifestyle of a tennis player? It's shit and Andy Roddick has been doing this for 30 years. It seems to me we should actually be worshipping this guy for having the correct priorities in life and wondering what a guy like Davydenko is doing, dragging his wife around to every tournament when he no longer is a threat anywhere.

Also, Andy Roddick on clay is 75 - 39. You should make a list of players who have 75 wins on clay on the ATP tour that are active. Then eliminate the ones who have more than 39 losses or less than a 0.658 winning percentage. Then put them in categories from clay is favorite surface, clay is okay, clay is weakest surface. Check who else is on that list with Roddick. My guess is you may not find a player. Not bad for a player who sucks on the surface, is it?

As for Mardy Fish, he has been at the clay court masters events every year since 2007 and before that his ranking wasn't always high enough to be ensured entry. He does 'suck' on clay with only 29 ATP wins on clay but his 1 title is more than many clay court specialists who last for years with it being their best surface. As I am sure you didn't bother to read, he is sick this year and unless you are also a doctor with contact to him, I don't know how you can not take his word, there is nothing to say that he wouldn't be there if he could be there.

Finally John Isner also really sucks on clay. He's so terrible that when he played Roger Federer, he got triple bageled. Oops, my mistake, he actually won. He won two sets off of Rafael Nadal at RG, the only other player to do that was Robin Soderling. Not Federer, not Djokovic, no other player. Isner's ranking has only been high enough since 2010 to play in the clay masters and he has been there every year.

Then finally the last sentence is the greatest contradiction of all. Americans should announce they don't play the Master's events on clay because they suck, but anyone can not play the US hard tournaments because it is a free world. There is nothing else to say about this other than this is one messed up and prejudice opinion.

By far the best part of a post I've read this month.
Actually, by far the best post overall that I've read this month.
John Isner paragraph is so true and funny at the same time :worship:

Kat_YYZ
05-16-2012, 04:41 AM
how did this thread become so incoherent? :lol:

moon language
05-16-2012, 07:39 AM
I read it but I don't want your cheap cookie. My homemade ones are better than any you can buy from a store :angel:



Fact is - Houston's tournament, the only men's clay court championship in US, use the same red clay as in RG :shrug:

No they don't. It's red Har Tru.

RIboy
05-20-2012, 10:59 PM
Sadly @ivanljubicic1 left twitter. wonder if it had anything to do with the US misunderstanding :lol:

ljubo should have watched this video before joining Twitter
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Ash86
05-20-2012, 11:00 PM
Ivan's left twitter. Hope this controversy wasn't the reason - I liked hearing his views on things. :sad:

Sadly @ivanljubicic1 left twitter. wonder if it had anything to do with the US misunderstanding

https://twitter.com/#!/enricomariariva/status/204326611879862272

nellis_lv
05-20-2012, 11:18 PM
Oh, man. I love pospisil and raonic and america. but if we're going to include "north americans" with "americans", then we'll have to include "south america" too . .

and that would invalidate the whole clay argument.


As for ivanljubicic1, he should sue 'em all for cyberharassment

star
05-21-2012, 12:58 AM
No they don't. It's red Har Tru.

It’s some sort of brown stuff. It’s definitely not red.

bouncer7
05-21-2012, 01:01 AM
He left twitter cause nobody follows him. He had 15 times less followers than some Tipsarevic or even 40 times less than Monaco. He made this affair but that didn't help him at all, only few mtfers, mostly fedtards added him so he just simply decided to go. No twitter for bold men

Looner
05-21-2012, 01:11 AM
He left twitter cause nobody follows him. He had 15 times less followers than some Tipsarevic or even 40 times less than Monaco. He made this affair but that didn't help him at all, only few mtfers, mostly fedtards added him so he just simply decided to go. No twitter for bold men

Your intellect is as big as the number of hairs on Legenda's head. Zilch.

tangerine_dream
05-21-2012, 02:12 AM
Sadly @ivanljubicic1 left twitter. wonder if it had anything to do with the US misunderstanding

There was no misunderstanding. The Twittersphere doesn't suffer fools lightly. If peple insist on being stupid in public like Donald Young and now Ivan Ljubicic then they'll pay a hefty price for it. :)

Snowwy
05-31-2012, 12:19 PM
Mardy Fish missed the clay court season due to heart surgery. Just thought I would point that out, makes Ljubicic look even more foolish.

MariaV
05-31-2012, 12:25 PM
:eek: :eek:
Oh goodness, that's one helluva story again with Mardy!
http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/55244236?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|p&usatref=sportsmod

daddy
05-31-2012, 12:34 PM
Ljubicic has a big history of saying dumb things (Roddick, Nadal, Karlovic....)

rocketassist
05-31-2012, 12:36 PM
People again missing the point. He wasn't referring to anyone this year, he was clearly referring to the fact the Americans never play Monte Carlo (his local tournament) ever.

arm
05-31-2012, 12:47 PM
People again missing the point. He wasn't referring to anyone this year, he was clearly referring to the fact the Americans never play Monte Carlo (his local tournament) ever.

It's not mandatory, players don't have to love all surfaces. :shrug: Ljubicic had no business making such a comment.

rocketassist
05-31-2012, 12:48 PM
It's not mandatory, players don't have to love all surfaces. :shrug: Ljubicic had no business making such a comment.

It was made non-mandatory so the Yanks could get away with not turning up.

arm
05-31-2012, 12:53 PM
It was made non-mandatory so the Yanks could get away with not turning up.

:lol: Doesn't really matter. It's not like I agree with their choice and behavior towards clay. :shrug: But they make their own choices, I have my opinion and Ljubicic has his. The thing is, Ljubicic is a former player who just retired, he was just out there with all of them in the locker rooms. He is followed on twitter by many players and even more fans, he needs to know when to shut up and what is not ok to share like that. It was not ok regardless of him being right or not. And the way he wrote it made it even worse.

yonexforever
05-31-2012, 01:10 PM
Fact is - american clay plays nothing like european. They even make clay to favor serve bots and mindless ballbashers :shrug:

Roddick and the rest of his ilk are hopeless on red stuff. Some of the losses he had in RG are simply hilarious.

Fact remains fact. No American (apart from Agassi :worship:) was ever good on slow clay.

Me thinks you should do some research.. There was once an American named Jim Courier who won a couple of French titles!
:wavey:

Doggy
05-31-2012, 03:22 PM
Ljubicic is an idiot, glad he has achieved absolutely nothing in his bald career

rocketassist
05-31-2012, 03:41 PM
:lol: Doesn't really matter. It's not like I agree with their choice and behavior towards clay. :shrug: But they make their own choices, I have my opinion and Ljubicic has his. The thing is, Ljubicic is a former player who just retired, he was just out there with all of them in the locker rooms. He is followed on twitter by many players and even more fans, he needs to know when to shut up and what is not ok to share like that. It was not ok regardless of him being right or not. And the way he wrote it made it even worse.

It does, it's corrupt.

When South Americans and clay courters used to fuck Wimbledon off there was widespread anger and outrage for skipping a mandatory event, and a Slam at that.

Works both ways. EDV making it non-mandatory just allowed them all to get away with fines.

Roddick sticking up for Fish was quite laughable, because Ljubicic's statement was specifically targeting him waaaaaaay more than it was Fish.

duchuy89
05-31-2012, 04:16 PM
Ivan Ljubicic is good player.

Ackms421
05-31-2012, 04:28 PM
Me thinks you should do some research.. There was once an American named Jim Courier who won a couple of French titles!
:wavey:

Also Chang...

Purple Rainbow
05-31-2012, 04:43 PM
Americans hate playing in Europe so much that that they stopped qualifying for the World Tour Finals in London.

Snowwy
05-31-2012, 10:40 PM
People again missing the point. He wasn't referring to anyone this year, he was clearly referring to the fact the Americans never play Monte Carlo (his local tournament) ever.

And I already showed a few posts ago that that is bullshit. Andy Roddick doesn't play the event because he cares about his family and he cares about his health. Every other tennis player does play the event.

heya
05-31-2012, 10:44 PM
roddick is greedy for cash, loving embraces and special treatment, so he wants to shut up everyone who wants his arrogant face out of the tv & radio shows. he has nowhere else to go for self-gratification.
the verbal abuse in matches were boring. nastase was superior in every way.

no one let him be undeservedly sponsored by large companies and use his status to get more millions at tv, radio & athletic events.

TigerTim
05-31-2012, 10:45 PM
Americans hate playing in Europe so much that that they stopped qualifying for the World Tour Finals in London.

:haha:

TigerTim
05-31-2012, 10:47 PM
roddick is greedy for cash, loving embraces and special treatment, so he wants to shut up everyone who wants his arrogant face out of the tv & radio shows. he has nowhere else to go for self-gratification.
the verbal abuse in matches were boring. nastase was superior in every way.

no one let him be undeservedly sponsored by large companies and use his status to get more millions at tv, radio & athletic events.

Sadly true - such is the state of US mens tennis they still worship a duck.

rocketassist
05-31-2012, 10:49 PM
And I already showed a few posts ago that that is bullshit. Andy Roddick doesn't play the event because he cares about his family and he cares about his health. Every other tennis player does play the event.

When did he last play it? Even when it was mandatory? Why does he have to play Houston instead?

Schu
05-31-2012, 11:07 PM
Fish is one of my LEAST favorite plyaers and really never care to lift a finger to defend him BUT wonder if Ivan saw that Fish is now at home recovering from surgery to correct abnormal electrial impluses in his heart....

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/7980058/mardy-fish-reveals-had-heart-surgery-fix-arrhythmia

tangerine_dream
05-31-2012, 11:40 PM
Sadly true - such is the state of US mens tennis they still worship a duck.

Duck slam > http://i46.tinypic.com/2n011d4.gif

Nole fan
06-01-2012, 12:26 AM
Ljubicic talks too much.

Looner
06-01-2012, 12:57 AM
Ljubicic talks too much.

Oh, the irony.

nobama
06-01-2012, 01:41 AM
It was made non-mandatory so the Yanks could get away with not turning up.

This is the biggest load of BS ever. Why does the tour give a shit if players who suck on clay show up or not. Besides the Bryan Bros usually play the event.

Lee
06-01-2012, 03:46 AM
When did he last play it? Even when it was mandatory? Why does he have to play Houston instead?

Why shouldn't Roddick play in Houston instead of MC? He lives in Austin, Tx so Houston is like a home event for him. What is so wrong for #1 (former) US player to play in/supporting a home event than one that is thousands miles away the very next week?

TigerTim
06-01-2012, 03:22 PM
Duck slam > http://i46.tinypic.com/2n011d4.gif

shhhhh, the LTA will be on to you!

rob_z
06-01-2012, 05:55 PM
At the end it is every player's own right to decide where they want to play.
But personally I don't have any problems if servebot Isner wouldn't play much in Europe.:wavey::devil:
Fish comment was not very smart. He could have made his point in a more professional way. But he was probably frustrated when he read Ljubicic tweet.

_Chaz
06-06-2012, 11:20 AM
Ljubicic isn't twittering anymore after this occurence here. Oh and, Harrison and Young both deleted their Queens' entry.

Wing Man Frank
06-06-2012, 11:38 AM
Ljubicic talks too much.

Whilst Isner eats too much.

If he spent more time getting fit and less time on Twitter he might actually achieve something in a Slam.