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WWW Madrid F: Federer VS Berdych

Federer in 2
05-12-2012, 06:16 PM
Fed in 2.

Mark Lenders
05-12-2012, 06:16 PM
Federer obviously the favorite here, but Berdych has been playing stunning tennis all week and hasn't even dropped a set, beating even Del Potro, who's traditionally a horrible match-up for him. His serve has been really good.

Can he go one further and take his second Masters title? If he can play his best tennis, he surely can. He has had some success vs Federer lately and this surface really suits him.

Federer will be extremely motivated though, as a win will see him become # 2 in the world, leaping Nadal. He's favored to win, but an on-fire Berdych can take anyone, as Federer himself has found out in a few big occasions in the past.

Your thoughts?

Federer in 2
05-12-2012, 06:16 PM
Crap...Forgot poll. Please add :)

henke007
05-12-2012, 06:17 PM
Serverer in 3

HKz
05-12-2012, 06:17 PM
You can still add. I believe it is under thread tools. Look near your first post.

sexybeast
05-12-2012, 06:19 PM
11 straight year that Federer manages to get to a big clay final, even if this is fake clay it is pretty impressive. Federer should take it but Berdych can be a very tricky opponent for Fed.

Tennis-Life
05-12-2012, 06:19 PM
Fed in 2,

6-3, 7-5

green25814
05-12-2012, 06:21 PM
Fed in 2. One TB, one semi-close set

ZaZoo)
05-12-2012, 06:21 PM
Serverer to serve out title on this "clay", no wonder only Raonic gave him problems.

Certinfy
05-12-2012, 06:22 PM
Berdych in 2. Going to be like Cincy all over again where Berdych serves like a God and destroys Federer's serve.

Orka_n
05-12-2012, 06:22 PM
Experiencerer in 3.

habibko
05-12-2012, 06:23 PM
hopefully a repeat of their last meeting, Federer never lost to him on clay which helps

EddieNero
05-12-2012, 06:23 PM
I'm really afraid of this match. Berdych is playing excellent tennis on these courts and he always used to give Federer a really tough time.

I hope The Old Man survives this in 3.

rocketassist
05-12-2012, 06:24 PM
Federer in 2.

Then it's down to the FFT to do the right thing and fix the draw.

Moozza
05-12-2012, 06:24 PM
i'll say Federer in 2. Berdych definately has a shot though.

SheepleBuster
05-12-2012, 06:24 PM
I got Berdych in 3. But Roger is now close enough to Rafa to overtake him if he again loses early in Rome. Which round Roger lost in Rome last year?

LastRocket
05-12-2012, 06:25 PM
Tomas the destroyer 7/6 7/6

shadows
05-12-2012, 06:25 PM
I'm feeling Berdych in 3.

sexybeast
05-12-2012, 06:25 PM
Berdych in 2. Going to be like Cincy all over again where Berdych serves like a God and destroys Federer's serve.

Except this time Federer has been serving like god himself, 40 straight service games held and counting....

LastRocket
05-12-2012, 06:26 PM
I got Berdych in 3. But Roger is now close enough to Rafa to overtake him if he again loses early in Rome. Which round Roger lost in Rome last year?

3rd round to Gasquet

Federer in 2
05-12-2012, 06:26 PM
You can still add. I believe it is under thread tools. Look near your first post.

Thanks bro :)

Forehander
05-12-2012, 06:26 PM
Berdych might show some exceptional ball bashing all around the court and go for the lines constantly. Unfortunately though don't think that would be enough to beat Federer on this surface.

Mark Lenders
05-12-2012, 06:26 PM
11 straight year that Federer manages to get to a big clay final, even if this is fake clay it is pretty impressive. Federer should take it but Berdych can be a very tricky opponent for Fed.

Yup. Berdych is one of the few guys who can (in recent matches) get a great read on Federer's serve. And this surface really suits his brand of tennis.

If the same Berdych who showed up all weeks appears tomorrow, this should be a great final.

green25814
05-12-2012, 06:27 PM
Berdych in 2. Going to be like Cincy all over again where Berdych serves like a God and destroys Federer's serve.

Have you seen any of Fed's service games? Berdych will be lucky to reach BPs.

MachineGun
05-12-2012, 06:29 PM
I thin Roger will prevail, in 3 sets.

In 2 if Berdych doesn't play like he's been playing this week.

Roamed
05-12-2012, 06:29 PM
Would have gone for Berdych on the basis of Fed's QF performance but he was much better today. Can see Fed losing a set in a TB but unless there's a dramatic changeup in form Fed should win.

Certinfy
05-12-2012, 06:30 PM
Have you seen any of Fed's service games? Berdych will be lucky to reach BPs.
Berdych generally gets a good read on Federer's serve anyway.

Berdych has been serving great as well, only been broken twice.

SheepleBuster
05-12-2012, 06:31 PM
Would have gone for Berdych on the basis of Fed's QF performance but he was much better today. Can see Fed losing a set in a TB but unless there's a dramatic changeup in form Fed should win.

Let's face it. Roger tamed Raonic who has more game than Berdych in my opinion. But Berdych was very impressive today. Roger is going to be nervous thinking about overtaking Rafa. lol

SheepleBuster
05-12-2012, 06:32 PM
3rd round to Gasquet

So he really does not have to win tomorrow to become #2. A semi would do even if Rafa wins it, right?

HKz
05-12-2012, 06:32 PM
As with other big hitters, Berdych always has a chance to beat whoever he is playing, however, I think Federer is too strong on serve, and it is allowing him to go for his shots on his opponent's service games. Berdych has played a very solid week of tennis, however, I think Federer will be able to handle the conditions to favor him and hurt Berdych. He is playing with a lot of confidence, like in Paris the last time they met unlike in Cincinnati.

Either way, Federer has held serve arguably better than everyone this week, and you have to say that he will be in more of Berdych's service games than the other way around.

Mark Lenders
05-12-2012, 06:34 PM
Let's face it. Roger tamed Raonic who has more game than Berdych in my opinion. But Berdych was very impressive today. Roger is going to be nervous thinking about overtaking Rafa. lol

Raonic has more game than Berdych?

No way, he has a better serve but that's it.

SheepleBuster
05-12-2012, 06:37 PM
Raonic has more game than Berdych?

No way, he has a better serve but that's it.

I disagree. At his age, and the way he is developing, he will be a bigger star than Berdych. No doubt in my mind

Mark Lenders
05-12-2012, 06:38 PM
I disagree. At his age, and the way he is developing, he will be a bigger star than Berdych. No doubt in my mind

Possibly, probably.

But as of right now, there's no doubt that Tomas is the better player.

Certinfy
05-12-2012, 06:39 PM
I disagree. At his age, and the way he is developing, he will be a bigger star than Berdych. No doubt in my mind
What's that got to do with anything?

The fact is at the moment Berdych has more game overall than Raonic.

sexybeast
05-12-2012, 06:39 PM
I disagree. At his age, and the way he is developing, he will be a bigger star than Berdych. No doubt in my mind

Berdych had defeated Federer and won a master series at Raonic's age.

Looner
05-12-2012, 06:42 PM
Berdych generally gets a good read on Federer's serve anyway.

Berdych has been serving great as well, only been broken twice.

I think you should adjust your expectations. And by that I mean significantly lower them. Jus' saying :shrug:

I disagree. At his age, and the way he is developing, he will be a bigger star than Berdych. No doubt in my mind

Berdych has an amazing game but Raonic seems to have a very good mentality. Not sure he'll develop as much.

Federer_28
05-12-2012, 06:47 PM
Ugh.. I hate this match up,

Berdych ALWAYS gives Federer a hard time .

samanosuke
05-12-2012, 06:49 PM
No chance for old man here. Berdych even when he is in shitty mode flukes ballbashing and serving day against Fed, you know how it will look when he is in good mode. Fed didn't impress me with anything, he won these matches by the name. Like I said it yesterday, title is in Berdych's hands . Good day to earn some money

Mystique
05-12-2012, 06:49 PM
I hope Fed takes the title but I dont like this matchup, it has become an uncomfortable one since 2009 for Fed.
I am sitting on the fence with this one, on his day Berdych can beat anyone. However, if Fed plays close to his own best, he wont let Berdych play his game and that should win it for Rog.
I hate Fed losing to one of my least favourite guys on tour (if only JMDP had won today, at least I would have been okay with either result. Now you dont have a choice, win it Fed!)
So bring your best tennis tmrw Roger :armed:

Gillouthe best
05-12-2012, 06:51 PM
Fed in 3, Tomas winning a set on a TB.

Commander Data
05-12-2012, 06:51 PM
Fed will make Certinfy cry.

luie
05-12-2012, 06:52 PM
Raonic / ferrer are greater than Birdshit, Birdshit is the poster boy for this weak top ten era. Birdshit is good at being the moonballers bitch.

abraxas21
05-12-2012, 06:55 PM
interesting match up. federer somehow usually brings the best of berdych.

i'm thinking federer should win in 3 sets. wouldn't be surprised if federer chokes and berdych manages to turn it around, though.

samanosuke
05-12-2012, 07:03 PM
i see this thread and pool already going in wrong direction. again good old samanosuke has to teach today's kids to tennis. remember tomorrow night what the old dog has been talking

MaxPower
05-12-2012, 07:04 PM
Many selling Mr.Berd short here. This surface is all about who takes command. I think Berdych will come out firing and Federer can't play his usual tactic he does vs big hitters.

Federer could find himself in a gun battle where he brings a rifle but Berdych brings a cannon. Now Fed got very good aim and the Berd cannon can easily misfire but it's could end up very close.

Seeing that Federer struggled with Raonic I don't see why he wouldn't struggle with an in-form Berdych. It's gonna be an all out war where mental clutchness to save BPs/win TBs will decide as I think all sets will be close.

Federer in 3. (but I hope for Berdych in 3)

habibko
05-12-2012, 07:06 PM
Ugh.. I hate this match up,

Berdych ALWAYS gives Federer a hard time .

true but he hasn't beaten him on clay or in any SF and beyond

I don't remember any time where Berdych managed to beat a top 5 player in a final

romismak
05-12-2012, 07:07 PM
Actually i am surprised how many votes Roger has comparing to Tomas... this final is open, Berdych destroyed Monfils, Verdasco and beat in straight sets guy who was 22-0 or something on clay this year by sets won... and Roger´s record from last meetings with Berdych isn´t nothing extra. I think this match is pretty open, maybe Roger will be under bigger pressure, No.2 in stake - needed points to regain No.1 again, Tomas will be underdog who is playing great so i realla can see him win this.

HDW
05-12-2012, 07:08 PM
Fed in 2

HKz
05-12-2012, 07:08 PM
true but he hasn't beaten him on clay or in any SF and beyond

I don't remember any time where Berdych managed to beat a top 5 player in a final

Berdych isn't really all that impressive in the tail end of events either way against the big boys. I mean his finals record of 7 wins 6 losses is not that impressive either.

GSMnadal
05-12-2012, 07:19 PM
Berdych will turn into a beast tomorrow, Fed will be left swimming on the blue stuff, 6-4 7-5

LinkMage
05-12-2012, 07:20 PM
Birdshit in 2.

Uncle Toni has promised Birdshit a night with Nadull if he beats Fed here.

Pirata.
05-12-2012, 07:25 PM
So he really does not have to win tomorrow to become #2. A semi would do even if Rafa wins it, right?

Yeah but he shouldn't be messing around considering what happened in 2010 when so many idiotic choices let his #1 ranking slip. If he'd played ONE match in Monte Carlo, if he'd beaten Montanes in Estoril, making SF at RG was enough to secure the record over Sampras and he fucks that up. Best to do everything he can to win tomorrow.

EddieNero
05-12-2012, 07:31 PM
Berdych will turn into a beast tomorrow, Fed will be left swimming on the blue stuff, 6-4 7-5

Time will heal your wounds. I didn't know blueclay can hurt so much though.

unforcedterror
05-12-2012, 07:32 PM
Going out on a limb and saying Berdych in 2.

Mr. Oracle
05-12-2012, 07:42 PM
Berdych will replay the VHS tape from 2010 when he beat Federer at wimbledon. He has the stones to do it, but will he bring them? Bad weather conditions will all but guarantee a win for the more experienced clown. Lets hope for a competitive sunday match.

swebright
05-12-2012, 07:46 PM
Berdy has a chance to win, but I hope Fed will and retake number #2 spot:worship:. Hope he's not nervous :rolleyes:

Rafole *w*itching about the surface and Fed winning. What does that mean? There will definitely be some talks and mud-slinging.

samanosuke
05-12-2012, 07:59 PM
Love nole tards reason for hating Fed :lol: . It's so hard to admit that Fed is the only guy who fears you even when Nole is at its best?

Corey Feldman
05-12-2012, 08:20 PM
the Basle Dazzle in 2 tight sets

lets not talk history, he's still busy making it

Allez
05-12-2012, 08:23 PM
Tomas leads the last 5 match H2H 3-2 and still most MTF gives him next to no chance of winning :haha: There will be tears tomorrow :bigcry:

TigerTim
05-12-2012, 08:30 PM
Federer in 3, the Bird will win a tiebreak though

Fireballer
05-12-2012, 08:35 PM
Federer in 2.

Then it's down to the FFT to do the right thing and fix the draw.

stay classy man....oh I forgot you're a Fedtard

Slice Winner
05-12-2012, 08:38 PM
Probably two tight sets to Fed, with one a tiebreaker.

Everyone is remembering Cincy 2011 and forgetting Paris 2011.
Berdych's draw was also pretty easy. Kev Anderson can't move on clay. Monfils just came back off injury break. Verdasco had NOTHING in the tank, emotionally, after beating Rafa (and his form against Rafa was mediocre).
Pony was the only tough opponent, and Berdych barely scraped through two close tie-breakers; both players won the same amount of points.

Fed has been serving well all week. Berdych will get some big hits in on a few 2nd serves, but otherwise I think Fed's serving too well to get broken much/at all.
Berdych has also been serving well, but if Fed gets returns in play (good practice against Raonic), he will be able to outmanoeuvre and wrong foot the Czech.

Or Berdych red lines it and blows Fed away :lol:

Allez
05-12-2012, 08:38 PM
Fed would have rather faced the pony that's for sure.

MIMIC
05-12-2012, 08:43 PM
Well at least Berdych isn't afraid to win against Fed (like most clowns are). Should be a good, hard-fought match.

Rafa is the GOAT
05-12-2012, 08:44 PM
So he really does not have to win tomorrow to become #2. A semi would do even if Rafa wins it, right?

No if he loses tommorow, reaches the SF of Rome and Rafa wins Rome Rafa would still be number 2
If he wins it and reaches the SF of Rome and Rafa wins Rome, Rafa would be number 2 for the French Open with a lead of 45 points
If he wins tommorow and reaches final of Rome he is number 2
If he loses tommorow, he reaches the SF of Rome and Rafa doesn't win Rome he still would be number 2
Rankings if he wins tommorow
Novak: 11200
Rafa: 9105
Roger: 9160
Rankings if he loses tommorow
Novak 11200
Rafa: 9105
Roger: 8760
Rankings if he wins tommorow, reaches SF of Rome but Rafa wins Rome beating Nole in the F
Novak: 10800
Rafa: 9505
Roger: 9030

Allez
05-12-2012, 08:45 PM
That's an understatement. Berdych loves playing Roger.

bokehlicious
05-12-2012, 09:21 PM
Fed to spank the prick.

DjokerFan3
05-12-2012, 09:30 PM
I think there will be 1 TB.

Who I think will win: Roger
Who I want to win: Tomas

Looner
05-12-2012, 09:33 PM
I think there will be 1 TB.

Who I think will win: Roger
Who I want to win: Tomas

You are the biggest glorythunter on MTF by a mile.

jackjill888
05-12-2012, 10:02 PM
Tomas in straights probably handling Roger his first bagel of 2012 in the process.

Chase Visa
05-12-2012, 10:18 PM
Berdych will really test him, it's become a bit of a bad matchup for Fed and he's in great form this week.

Still go Fed in 3 though.

Arkulari
05-12-2012, 10:58 PM
People are really underrating Berdych here, he definitely has a great shot of winning this title.

The point is, if Roger serves as well as he did against Pics and Tipsy then Berdych will probably lose but it also depends on the form the Czech plays this match, if he starts hitting the lines then it would be really hard for Roger to win the final.

To me it is 60% Roger 40% Berdych and it's not closer because Roger still has lots of variety to trouble him (dropshots for example)

Topspindoctor
05-12-2012, 11:14 PM
What a nailbiter....scared Fedtards think that Berdshit actually has a chance in a big final? LOL.

Olderer 6-3 6-4 easy.

nevenez
05-12-2012, 11:14 PM
I read Raonic has more game than Berdych.
Is this joke of the year or what?
And no way can Raonic develop Berdych game, he lacks Tomas talent.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
05-12-2012, 11:33 PM
can go either way

berdych has always had the game to be a world beater

i was reading agssi's book and he mentioned how much he admired berdych and knew it was all mental for him
he tries too hard to get the lines- play perfect attacking tennis

once thomas learns to be more balanced- play the ugly tennis and win- he will win a slam- i really believe he has it in him

nsidhan
05-13-2012, 12:41 AM
Yeah but he shouldn't be messing around considering what happened in 2010 when so many idiotic choices let his #1 ranking slip. If he'd played ONE match in Monte Carlo, if he'd beaten Montanes in Estoril, making SF at RG was enough to secure the record over Sampras and he fucks that up. Best to do everything he can to win tomorrow.

In the long run that might actually be a good thing - not getting to Sampras' record in 2010. Perhaps it is Sampras' record that is keeping him motivated to play this well. Else we would probably be seeing Rolexerer in full flight right now.

Imperfect Angel
05-13-2012, 12:48 AM
Berdych for upset in 2 (*jinx*)

Le_Bousier
05-13-2012, 01:19 AM
What a nailbiter....scared Fedtards think that Berdshit actually has a chance in a big final? LOL.

Olderer 6-3 6-4 easy.

You're a bitter person, dude.

Chill out..

lzhaol
05-13-2012, 01:28 AM
Federer will be using alotof drop shots against Birdman... Fed will win in 2

moon language
05-13-2012, 01:47 AM
I think Federer wins if he doesn't have a brainfart. He has the variety to capitalize on the movement problems this court poses. I see him getting one break a set and cruising, but I really like Berdych and I hope he can get the upset.

abraxas21
05-13-2012, 01:48 AM
i think both players will try to take the initiative. the one who does so with more consistency will win.

if federer is confident and precise, he should get the win regardless of how berdych plays. if not, he'll get passive and use the slice more often (safe shot). that's when berdych can take the initiative and go for the win.

reery
05-13-2012, 02:14 AM
Federer.

jonas
05-13-2012, 02:30 AM
true but he hasn't beaten him on clay or in any SF and beyond

I don't remember any time where Berdych managed to beat a top 5 player in a final

That's because he hasn't. Ljubicic (10) in Paris F 2005 is the only top 10 player Tomas has beaten in a final.
I don't see it happening today either.
But. It will be a tight match.
Federer will win with 7-5, 7-6 or 7-5, 6-7, 6-3.

alfonsojose
05-13-2012, 02:55 AM
Berdych will upset Roger

tripwires
05-13-2012, 04:41 AM
What a nailbiter....scared Fedtards think that Berdshit actually has a chance in a big final? LOL.

Olderer 6-3 6-4 easy.

Thanks for the reassurance. :hearts:

paseo
05-13-2012, 04:43 AM
Berdych looked lethal against Del Potro.

Berdych in 3.

Whiznot
05-13-2012, 04:57 AM
If Roger continues to manage his emotions as well as he has in any one of his Madrid matches, Berdych has no chance.

Roger the Dodger
05-13-2012, 05:44 AM
In the long run that might actually be a good thing - not getting to Sampras' record in 2010. Perhaps it is Sampras' record that is keeping him motivated to play this well. Else we would probably be seeing Rolexerer in full flight right now.

Rolexerer! :lol:

Is that you in the avatar?

Allez
05-13-2012, 08:19 AM
Tomas wins in something like 7-5, 6-4

Ash86
05-13-2012, 08:32 AM
Berdych has a great shot - think he's been playing better tennis than Fed this week - just a case of keeping his cool. Go on Tomas!!

Houstonko
05-13-2012, 08:47 AM
In the long run that might actually be a good thing - not getting to Sampras' record in 2010. Perhaps it is Sampras' record that is keeping him motivated to play this well. Else we would probably be seeing Rolexerer in full flight right now.

Maybe Mercederer. Chocoderer. Credit suiderer.

Tennis-Life
05-13-2012, 09:37 AM
Pray for death Birdshit :bigwave:


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zdravkelja
05-13-2012, 10:01 AM
What a performance that was. :worship:

Just Berdych's good serving saved him from humiliation. If Fed comes out like that, he really should pray.

Allez
05-13-2012, 10:13 AM
Pray for death Birdshit :bigwave:

I see you conveniently forgot to post THIS match...:lol:

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Tennis-Life
05-13-2012, 10:21 AM
I see you conveniently forgot to post THIS match...:lol:

this fluke win changes nothing hatas, Federer vs Berdych / 10 - 4

8 wins in a row :baby:

Ash86
05-13-2012, 10:28 AM
this fluke win changes nothing hatas, Federer vs Berdych / 10 - 4

8 wins in a row :baby:

That may be true but Berdych has won 3 of the last 5. :cool: Berdych has stopped Fed at the Olympics, at Wimbledon and now would be quite funny if he stops him getting to no.2 and therefore closer to no.1. Berdych & Soderling have been just as annoying as Nadal for Fed in some ways - doesn't matter how many matches you lose, it's which ones you lose.

Fed fans shouldn't be so arrogant in a year in which he's lost to Isner & Roddick - nothing's a given in sport.

Allez
05-13-2012, 10:29 AM
this fluke win changes nothing hatas, Federer vs Berdych / 10 - 4

8 wins in a row :baby:

And how about this fluke win ?

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Utter demolition job from Tomas :eek: :eek: :eek:

Ash86
05-13-2012, 10:31 AM
And how about this fluke win ?

Utter demolition job from Tomas :eek: :eek: :eek:

The funniest thing about this win was Roger's reaction at the net. He does not like losing to Berdych. At all.

Allez
05-13-2012, 10:37 AM
The funniest thing about this win was Roger's reaction at the net. He does not like losing to Berdych. At all.

I think Rogi hates that Tomas can completely blow him away his awesome power when his game is on. It makes him look slow and probably highlights the fact that he's a half a step slower post 30 :sad: I hope Roger can put up a fight today and not cave in like he did at Wimbledon and Cincy :o

Topspindoctor
05-13-2012, 10:50 AM
Berdshit already done his duty: deny Olderer a chance to win Olympic gold in 2004. Wimbledon 2010 was just gravy. "I was injured", "He made lucky shots" :superlol: I love watching this sore loser after a particularly humiliating defeat.

tennizen
05-13-2012, 12:55 PM
Berdych in 3.

out_grinder
05-13-2012, 12:59 PM
Unfortunately Federer cannot win this.

Has nothing to do will how well Federer plays - the tennis Gods simply will not allow Nadal to be seeded 3rd in the French Open and go out to Djokovic in the semifinals.

Federer will need to beat Djokovic in the semifinals and bend over to Rafa in the finals of the French Open as usual.

iriraz
05-13-2012, 01:16 PM
Maybe Mercederer. Chocoderer. Credit suiderer.

On this surface Smurferer would be appropriate.

bayvalle
05-13-2012, 01:35 PM
I think Rogi hates that Tomas can completely blow him away his awesome power when his game is on. It makes him look slow and probably highlights the fact that he's a half a step slower post 30 :sad: I hope Roger can put up a fight today and not cave in like he did at Wimbledon and Cincy :o

Fed must surprise Berdych with plenty of his 'new' killer dropshots, the key to winning today. Fed lifts up trophy, 6-4, 6-4.

hipolymer
05-13-2012, 03:19 PM
Berdshit already done his duty: deny Olderer a chance to win Olympic gold in 2004. Wimbledon 2010 was just gravy. "I was injured", "He made lucky shots" :superlol: I love watching this sore loser after a particularly humiliating defeat.

Federer is probably the worst sore loser ever.