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Is a peak raonic nadals worst nightmare?

PiggyGotRoasted
05-10-2012, 05:28 AM
Discuss

Henry Chinaski
05-10-2012, 05:35 AM
nah. his backhand is much improved but still too shaky for him to be considered a terrible match-up for rafa

I don't see how rafa could get near that serve on any sort of a quick court though.

after djokovic, peak potro still comes next in rafa mare match-ups. if he ever rediscovers his bollocks potro should win more than he loses against nadal

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 05:35 AM
Hater.

Lestat
05-10-2012, 05:37 AM
nop, but lets hope he is!
the only nighmare the pig has is still the Joker.

Asadinator
05-10-2012, 05:45 AM
Raonic will win 5-10 slams as topspindoctor mentioned, but defeating Nadal in all those finals.

Felipe Abe
05-10-2012, 06:04 AM
Raonic will win 5-10 slams as topspindoctor mentioned, but defeating Nadal in all those finals.

Starting at Roland Garros right ?

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 06:06 AM
I also think Raonic is nowhere near his peak. Maybe in 1-2 years. By then Nadal will be in decline and any matches between them will heavily favor the Canadian.

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 06:09 AM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

Lestat
05-10-2012, 06:22 AM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

Wow.
I suppose Fededer plays a different sport then.

Mountaindewslave
05-10-2012, 07:11 AM
we don't really even know what peak Raonic will be like? a bit too young to know, but he will probably be anyones nightmare, not Nadal's. a few years ago Nadal had more select players that were very difficult matchups for him (big serves, players who hit powerfully and didn't give him time, agressive returners, etc__), however he's made his game more powerful now and ends points faster and therefore does not have as big matchup problems.

when Nadal used to play more defensively is when matchups would be hell.

he, I guess in attempt to prolong is body and physical state on tour, plays a lot more aggressively nowadays and serves bigger so players who have given him trouble in the past are doing less so now. a big example would be Del Potro who would represent the kind of big hitter that used to give Nadal trouble- now he doesn't seem to hiccup Nadal like in the past.

Ironically, I would say the only matchup that is particularly bad for Nadal at this point is another player who has nearly perfected a similar strong baseline defensive game as Nadal- Novak Djokovic.

so really Nadal's worst nightmare is someone who can cover do what he can do better... the big hitters problem is that in frusturation they will begin to miss, and a big server like Raonic gets so used to winning based on their serve they often do not develop great ground games. if you can physically outlast Nadal and/or cover the court better than him that is a huge weapon but these days little else is particularly effective given the fact that Nadal has mastered practically every shot in the game and has adapted enough that he can play defensively when necessary as well as aggressively when the time calls for it

Ash86
05-10-2012, 07:19 AM
Nadal has never lost to Isner, Karlovic or Raonic. He's played Raonic twice and not ever dropped a set.

He actually has a good record against big servers despite hating to play them - he gets more aggressive on the return because he knows he has to and is quite good about protecting his serve. Raonic/Isner can beat Nadal - when you serve like that you can beat anyone - but I don't see why they're worse for Nadal than for Federer, Djokovic etc. Novak struggled with Isner's serve in IW just as much as Nadal did in RG.

Nadal might not serve like Federer but it would still be tough for Raonic etc. to break him - his baseline game is just way better.

I don't want Nadal to face them a lot as in some ways the game is out of your hands - but I don't think Raonic is any worse for Nadal than he is for the rest of the tour.

Allez
05-10-2012, 07:43 AM
Nadal loves playing Raonic. The proof is in the pudding. Getting Raonic in his quarter of the draw at RG will be a dream for him. Milos is really good...but still not good enough to trouble the guy with probably the best defense-offense game of all time.

moon language
05-10-2012, 07:51 AM
Peak Djokovic and Davydenko are much bigger nightmares for him. That could change though as Raonic could possibly still get a lot better; we don't know what his peak is yet.

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 07:51 AM
Keep in mind that Raonic's two meetings against Nadal we're in 2010 when he wasn't even a developed player then, and last year when he was just coming back from injury (I mean he fucking struggled against some Japanese scrub in the opener in 3 tight sets -- http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=190940. Okay he's a good player that Jap guy...but still :o). I'm sure Raonic will give him a tough ass match. probably even beat him the next time they play.

Moozza
05-10-2012, 07:52 AM
Lol no. Raonic is not that good yet, so overrated.

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 07:53 AM
Lol no. Raonic is not that good yet, so overrated.

Overrated player routined pushray a few days ago

born_on_clay
05-10-2012, 07:55 AM
why should he ?
not this level (yet I hope) :angel:

Johnbert
05-10-2012, 08:22 AM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

:haha:

Moozza
05-10-2012, 08:33 AM
Overrated player routined pushray a few days ago

I wouldn't say 'routine', but that is irrelevant. Saying he is Nadals biggest threat is definitely overrating him.

green25814
05-10-2012, 08:45 AM
No, the key to being good against Nadal is having a powerful yet also reliable/versatile backhand. Thats why Djokovic, Davydenko, Nalbandian etc have done well. They nullify Nadal's crosscourt forehand, which is by far his best shot. Raonic is getting better and better, but on slow courts his offense can be countered.

I like how aggressive Raonic is though, he reminds me of Sampras in the way he takes risks.

romismak
05-10-2012, 08:52 AM
peak Raonic will be nightmare for anyone on any surface, but about those that Rafa know how to handle Raonic... their matches arenīt telling much - 2010 Tokyo- Nadal confident after USO-very high level vs Milos 2010 .... yees the same player right now...
2011 Tokyo - Rafa still pretty decent vs Milos post-injury-serving and moving like crap - yees the same player like now...

so wait for more telling match, actually their match on grass - either Wimbledon, Halle or Olympics would be interresting i hope they met

green25814
05-10-2012, 08:54 AM
peak Raonic will be nightmare for anyone on any surface, but about those that Rafa know how to handle Raonic... their matches arenīt telling much - 2010 Tokyo- Nadal confident after USO-very high level vs Milos 2010 .... yees the same player right now...
2011 Tokyo - Rafa still pretty decent vs Milos post-injury-serving and moving like crap - yees the same player like now...

so wait for more telling match, actually their match on grass - either Wimbledon, Halle or Olympics would be interresting i hope they met

If Nadal meets Raonic in an early round at Wimbledon that could be very interesting, since the grass will still be fairly fresh and will suit Raonic. Nadal comes into his own during the later stages of Wimbledon when the grass wears out and starts playing more like clay.

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 08:56 AM
Wow.
I suppose Fededer plays a different sport then.

He sure does.

ServeVolley
05-10-2012, 09:11 AM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

Stupid statement is stupid. :superlol:

Nole Rules
05-10-2012, 09:15 AM
Could be. Peak Raonic will expose Nadal's sh!t ROS badly.

romismak
05-10-2012, 09:17 AM
If Nadal meets Raonic in an early round at Wimbledon that could be very interesting, since the grass will still be fairly fresh and will suit Raonic. Nadal comes into his own during the later stages of Wimbledon when the grass wears out and starts playing more like clay.

LAst year i was hoping R3 RAfa-Milos, but Milos got injured and Muller played RAfa- first 2 sets - close tie-breaks both 7-5 i think, i know it is what if, but Milos has bigger serve and not much worse groundgame for sure, already last year he was good enough to beat him on grass, this year, especially on best of 3 format i would favour Milos - either Halle or Olympics.

Mohdt89
05-10-2012, 09:47 AM
no,until he can defend backhand side

garad
05-10-2012, 10:30 AM
By then Nadal will be in decline and any matches between them will heavily favor the Canadian.

Really? Nadal is 5 years older than Raonic, as Federer is five years older than Nadal....

ossie
05-10-2012, 10:30 AM
Discuss :haha:

garad
05-10-2012, 10:34 AM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

You are welcome to your opinions.

Shinoj
05-10-2012, 10:37 AM
I hope for Tennis Sake.

Fireballer
05-10-2012, 01:34 PM
no player with mediocre BH can hurt Nadal

UsD.AnDreS
05-10-2012, 02:08 PM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

Golf forum.

Johnny Groove
05-10-2012, 02:35 PM
The haters would like to think so.

Truth is, all big servers are.

LastRocket
05-10-2012, 02:38 PM
Lol no. Raonic is not that good yet, so overrated.

Raonic is improving fast, he is a threat to anyone
Overrated >Pushray

BauerAlmeida
05-10-2012, 03:07 PM
no player with mediocre BH can hurt Nadal

Exactly. Djokovic, Peakdenko and Peakbandian are Nadal worst nightmare. Although the last two can't hurt him as before (Nalby was really close in Indian Wells).

So I don't see anyone being a serious threat to Nadal besides Nole.

PD: Raonic isn't overrated in any way, he already showed that in Barcelona and yesterday.

Alex999
05-10-2012, 03:08 PM
lol, can't believe you guys are discussing this seriously. OK, I'm in. Milos has a long way to go. the OP, thanks for this thread, trolling at it's best

rocketassist
05-10-2012, 04:38 PM
If Raonic was unseeded for Wimbledon, he'd be a first or second round nightmare for him (when the courts are still green and somewhat quick)

IIRC he would have faced him a year or two ago had he won his first round match but some mug beat him and then rolled over as expected in R2.

CORRECTION: Injured in R2 last year against Muller (not a mug) but would have been a tougher challenge had he got through.

Moozza
05-10-2012, 05:14 PM
Raonic is improving fast, he is a threat to anyone
Overrated >Pushray

Are you seriously suggesting Raonic is better than Murray?:lol:

Never said he wasn't a threat, he definately is, but the biggest threat?

No.

Sophocles
05-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Any good player in the days before spaghetti strings & crushingly slow surfaces would have been a nightmare for Nadull.

Sapeod
05-10-2012, 05:20 PM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.
Federer would like to have a word with you.
Overrated player routined pushray a few days ago
On clay where Andy played badly. Let's see him try to beat Andy on hardcourt or grass :wavey:

Kat_YYZ
05-10-2012, 05:49 PM
plz change thread name to peak Verdasco. thx. :p

Lestat
05-10-2012, 05:55 PM
He sure does.

yeap, an enjoyable one.

AnotherGameFor
05-10-2012, 06:07 PM
Federer would like to have a word with you.

On clay where Andy played badly. Let's see him try to beat Andy on hardcourt or grass :wavey:

Because clearly Clay is Milos' preferred surface as well....

Murray's game in theory should translate to Clay far better than Raonic's game, so using the clay as an excuse is weak, weak sauce.

Fireballer
05-10-2012, 06:12 PM
On clay where Andy played badly. Let's see him try to beat Andy on hardcourt or grass :wavey:


Yes because a guy that serves bombs with a strong FH will suck on grass where Murray is a giant :confused:

bjurra
05-10-2012, 06:39 PM
Don't know about worst nightmare but definitely very bad news for Rafa.

bjurra
05-10-2012, 06:40 PM
Nadal loves playing Raonic. The proof is in the pudding. Getting Raonic in his quarter of the draw at RG will be a dream for him. Milos is really good...but still not good enough to trouble the guy with probably the best defense-offense game of all time.

Getting Raonic in his quarter of SW19 certainly won't be a dream. Not a good one anyway.

Mateya
05-10-2012, 08:06 PM
Kneedal worst nightmare is in-form Seppi.

Meanwhile, dreaming of Seppi could be one of the peak moments in my life. :inlove:

evilmindbulgaria
05-10-2012, 08:09 PM
Wow.
I suppose Fededer plays a different sport then.

Nope, Federer is just Rafa's BITCH, a soon-to-be-turkey :wavey:

"Nadal's worst nightmare" :superlol:

EddieNero
05-10-2012, 08:09 PM
Nope, Verdasco is the one who occupies this prestigous place.

Johnbert
05-10-2012, 08:10 PM
plz change thread name to peak Verdasco. thx. :p

just thought the same :D

Allez
05-10-2012, 09:06 PM
Getting Raonic in his quarter of SW19 certainly won't be a dream. Not a good one anyway.

Well that's grass to on that surface he is a nightmare draw for everybody ;)

dazed1
05-10-2012, 09:27 PM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6357/cgqrd.gif

BauerAlmeida
05-10-2012, 10:44 PM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr9/KonnerStuff/tumblr_lpi267Kbd51qj41h3o1_500.jpg

misty1
05-11-2012, 12:59 AM
oh god this has to stop:rolleyes:

KaptainKrunch
05-11-2012, 03:00 AM
Nadal is the best player ever in the history of the sport. Deal with it.

Could you be any stupider? ::facepalm:

evilmindbulgaria
05-11-2012, 03:02 AM
Could you be any stupider? ::facepalm:

Then he will be called, well, you :wavey:

Topspindoctor
05-11-2012, 03:03 AM
Lots of double accounts popping up recently. I hope mods take notice and the appropriate action.

KaptainKrunch
05-11-2012, 03:40 AM
LOL @ the Nadull fans with their panties in a bunch. :lol:

Tennis-Life
05-12-2012, 04:24 PM
we will see this very soon

abraxas21
05-12-2012, 04:42 PM
it's too easy to troll people around here.

no wonder this place is plagued with trolls.

abraxas21
05-12-2012, 04:51 PM
that said, people are overreacting raonic's current abilities on clay.

remember that this year he lost in R1 to Albert Montaņes in MC and in SF to David Ferrer in Barcelona.

he's got potential to improve but from there to think that a man who lost to Ferrer and Montaņes recently will beat nadal in one of his favourite clay tournaments is a bit of stretch, to say the least. His best chances will come in indoor hardcourts.

timafi
05-12-2012, 04:52 PM
will find that out if they meet next week :shrug:

MaratandMilos
05-12-2012, 05:06 PM
that said, people are overreacting raonic's current abilities on clay.

remember that this year he lost in R1 to Albert Montaņes in MC and in SF to David Ferrer in Barcelona.

he's got potential to improve but from there to think that a man who lost to Ferrer and Montaņes recently will beat nadal in one of his favourite clay tournaments is a bit of stretch, to say the least. His best chances will come in indoor hardcourts.
If Milos plays as he did against Montanes, he'll get run over. If he plays as he did against Ferrer (a fantastic match on the part of both players), it will be very close indeed.

The in-form Milos Raonic that we've seen in Barcelona and Madrid has a real chance at beating Nadal. He's not the favourite by any means (not with Nadal's track record at this tournament), but Milos has shown that he has little problem translating his game to any surface over the last 2 years.