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Madrid R2: Federer d. Raonic 4-6 7-5 7-6(4)

n8
05-09-2012, 09:30 PM
Exciting match. Raonic had breakpoint with a second serve at 5-5 in the second.

castle007
05-09-2012, 09:30 PM
Great match!!! Federer was clutch in the last 2 sets. Let's go!!

Raonic played a great match, but made 1 silly error in the tie breaker.

Certinfy
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
That was pretty sad, Milos was by far the better player the whole match. Just come the big points and he didn't play them well at all. Let alone the TB which his serve was as useless as Volandri's, won all his points in it through his ground game. Great match though.

Federer in 2
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Greatest
Of
All
Time

Amazing effort and great win. SF is a lock.

reery
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Federer.:yeah:

Chris Kuerten
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Muger Frauderer :mad:

MIMIC
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Fed played the bigger points better :shrug:

Only point Raonic choked, IMO, was the point that set up match point for Fed. Just a rather bizarre, out of the blue error.

zlaja777
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Nice one. Sorry for Milos, he under performed in that TB.

scarecrows
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
good stuff Fed
Raonic was tough to beat today and was close to the win if he had taken any of the BPs in final set

EddieNero
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
The most clutch perfomance from Federer I've seen in years.

m9m9m9m9m9
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
huge miss chance here for Milos..
Roger played really great on big points though, probably never feel like he's going to lose this

Federer in 2
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Greatest
Of
All
Time

Amazing effort and great win. SF is a lock.

eclecticist
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
that match point!

Ash86
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Raonic should have won this match. Fed will now cruise to the semis - and probably the final judging from Novak's level the other day.

Still - Fed wasn't incredible and I didn't think the court was being that great for his game - guess we'll see.

asmazif
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Entertaining stuff, Chairman Rashnick managed to lose whilst having better stats in every single category bar net points (which was basically the same) :hatoff:

Lopez
05-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Great match.

Roger did well to hold at the start of the second during his little mini-slump.

Raonic will be a top10 player next year I think.

ZaZoo)
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
Milos losing too many opportunities, too nervy on important moments especially bp-s he can use.

Voo de Mar
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
Interesting match :yeah: Could have been more interesting if Raonic had served better in the tie-break - it's his first defeat in the deciding 3rd set tie-break.

The Centre Court in Madrid is beautiful to watch under the floodlights, especially under these circumstances i enjoy the new colour of the court.

superslam77
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
fed roasted pig nose :)

espana
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z7bdi-H5Tak/T6riFreWdOI/AAAAAAAAAQg/X6lMgcYORZw/s1600/Federer-Raonic.jpg

MachineGun
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
That sure could only be difficult with an in form Raonic, and Federer coming back from a 5-week long vacation. Roger did a good job in those circumstances. Milos is slowly becoming a great player, congratulations to him!

That match was a very good preparation for the rest of the clay season for RF. Difficult, as expected, but very helpful.

Nole fan
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
Houdinierer :o

Dr.Slice
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
Great level by both players.

vojomocart
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
The key was that Fed somehow read all the Raonic's serve in TB.
Interesting match though

habibko
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
servebot stats: 46/26 W/UEs, 21 aces 1 DF, 63% 1st serves, 86% 1st serves won

playing out of his mind and still not good enough to beat the GOAT on his first match from holiday on such a tough surface :worship:

Roger :hearts: nice to see you back!

Rita
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
Muger Frauderer :mad:

sing a different tune please :facepalm:

Time Violation
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
That was pretty sad, Milos was by far the better player the whole match. Just come the big points and he didn't play them well at all. Let alone the TB which his serve was as useless as Volandri's, won all his points in it through his ground game. Great match though.

No experience I guess, he was rushing it on those BPs I think... in third his level dropped, so TB was a formality sort of. Credit to Fed for hanging in there :)

tennishero
05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
close escape for federer, thought he was done... but he came back and beat the servebot. tennis has been saved, a true legend!

Crowdmaker
05-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Raonic needed a bit more power in decining moments...but NO he played doubles Yesterday late!
He will learn in time ... hopefully!

156mphserve
05-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Not many people would have beaten Milos today.

If he had played the bp better then nobody would have beaten him

v-money
05-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Really good match. Raonic was unlucky to bump into Federer this early in the draw. I suppose he wan't very good on big points, but the that had a lot to do with Federer's play on those points.

justafanYYC
05-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Entertaining stuff. Seems, like at IW, Raonic doesn't believe he can beat Federer. Still a bit in awe at the crucial moments.
This will come with experience.

HeretiC
05-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Quite an entertaining match, experience prevailed, but I have a feeling that Raonic will start to routine Federer sooner rather than later, missed a big chance to do it today.

Nole fan
05-09-2012, 09:33 PM
The stats show how superior Raonic was in every category and still Olderer won. How come?

Jamoz
05-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Raonic should have won this match. Fed will now cruise to the semis - and probably the final judging from Novak's level the other day.

Still - Fed wasn't incredible and I didn't think the court was being that great for his game - guess we'll see.

Well how can he be incredible after 6 weeks break?? :rolleyes:

henke007
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Great comeback from Roger saving bp.s and winning the breaker though he should have gotten more minibreaks before that great return to set up 6-4 on Milos shank.

bleu_cheese
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Best match of the clay season, if not the entire year, for me. Milos played extremely well, and Federer found his form in the final two sets. Only real drops in quality were the botched game by Fed in the first set, and the tiebreaker. Raonic didn't capitalize on his many many chances, shame. He'll make his breakthrough soon enough, I'm positive.

And now Federer will play Gasquet. This draw is too cruel...

drazyc
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
What happened with all the net rushing from Fed? Must be the surface, right? He was really in vacation mode from the baseline, that is for sure.

Ash86
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Total points - Raonic 103, Fed 99. It's the big points that matter in tennis and Raonic didn't play them well - Fed won some of them but there were a few that Raonic lost.

That more than anything to me suggests Raonic will be a top 10 player but not really a dominating force like recent guys at the top have been.

Certinfy
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
I'll be the first to bitch, had Nadal won against Raonic with both players having the same stats, everyone would be going mad right now!

Orka_n
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Federer got a hold of Milos' serve in the third, that decided this match. Well done Escaperer.

RNW
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
I only saw the last set. Solid match, good serves from both.
Federer was solid in the tiebreak, but Raonic wasn't convincing at all.

Some of you wrote "clutch" performance.
What does "clutch" mean (in other words or other languagues)

Jamoz
05-09-2012, 09:34 PM
The stats show how superior Raonic was in every category and still Olderer won. How come?

Fed is a pretty good player? maybe that is a reason?? :o

Orka_n
05-09-2012, 09:35 PM
I'll be the first to bitch, had Nadal won against Raonic with both players having the same stats, everyone would be going mad right now!People are whining here too. Not much difference.

misty1
05-09-2012, 09:35 PM
expected outcome for me. As expected roger dropped the opening set and his experience allowed him to snag the last 2.

milos is close but he's not yet there where he can beat roger just yet.

m9m9m9m9m9
05-09-2012, 09:35 PM
servebot stats: 46/26 W/UEs, 21 aces 1 DF, 63% 1st serves, 86% 1st serves won

playing out of his mind and still not good enough to beat the GOAT on his first match from holiday on such a tough surface :worship:

Roger :hearts: nice to see you back!

He's not playing out of his mind at all if you see Milos' recent form and improvement. If anything, he's much more nervous in this match than usual which costed him big

Time Violation
05-09-2012, 09:35 PM
Btw, big lol at clueless mugs calling Raonic servebot, I guess he hit 46 winners using his serve alone :facepalm:

stanch
05-09-2012, 09:36 PM
Great match with a wrong outcome...

Gagsquet
05-09-2012, 09:36 PM
End of the road for Olderer. He plays himself in a better version next.

Certinfy
05-09-2012, 09:36 PM
The stats show how superior Raonic was in every category and still Olderer won. How come?
Lets say every big point Raonic had ended in a pathetic unforced error. I'm not even exaggerating, that's what really happened.

Corey Feldman
05-09-2012, 09:37 PM
did i mention i am not happy with the Maestro

Certinfy
05-09-2012, 09:37 PM
End of the road for Olderer. He plays himself in a better version next.
Since when was Dimitrov playing Madrid? ::confused:

syc23
05-09-2012, 09:37 PM
Roger showed tonight why he won 16 GS.

BauerAlmeida
05-09-2012, 09:37 PM
I want to see Raonic against Nadal in Rome or Roland Garros.

EddieNero
05-09-2012, 09:38 PM
Lol both Nadal and Djokovic would lose to this kind of Raonic easily after a 6 week layoff and haters still bitching about it.

Jamoz
05-09-2012, 09:38 PM
Lets say every big point Raonic had ended in a pathetic unforced error. I'm not even exaggerating, that's what really happened.

Yep that's tennis for you. They are just humans not robots :eek:

DrJules
05-09-2012, 09:38 PM
Federer has lost many matches having won more points. This time he won fewer points and won which is a rarity for Federer.

21 aces in 3 sets on a clay court certainly is high while Federer only managed 7. Raonic could be very dangerous at Wimbledon.

tennishero
05-09-2012, 09:38 PM
Btw, big lol at clueless mugs calling Raonic servebot, I guess he hit 46 winners using his serve alone :facepalm:

well 1/3 of those are aces, then add the easy put aways as a result of his serve... = servebot. :wavey:

romismak
05-09-2012, 09:39 PM
Happy for Roger, now he should make SF easy, maybe even F with Nole´s movement here... Roger can´t afford loose so early like this -like Miami with Roddick if he want to be No.1 again.

Sad for Milos, he needs better ranking- really if he would have his own quarter like Isner had i can see Milos making QF here easy, there are not many guys in draw who can stop him here. And he could have won this, had more BP chances, and won overall more points, really stupid draw, otherwise Milos QF at least could have done here. But he looks good for RG-hope he will add som points in Rome but at least if he ends up in top 24 he won ´t play top 8 so soon there.

Slice Winner
05-09-2012, 09:39 PM
Clutch from holidayerer.
Raonic did not choke this, although he did look the more comfortable player in rallies. Bear in mind he's been here for nearly a week and a half, preparing. Fed hasn't played in 5/6 weeks, so this was a very mentally strong showing from the old man.

Feel sorry that Raonic got such a shit draw.

Li Ching Yuen
05-09-2012, 09:39 PM
Last two sets from Federer were mentally at 05-06 level.

Mystique
05-09-2012, 09:39 PM
I thought it was going to be 2010 all over again. Taking an extended break after an early Miami exit cutting short the prep on clay and falling on his ass in the first of two Masters:o

But Olderer grinded it out, this is a good win for him after the long layoff. That should remove all the rust in his game now. He doesnt look like he is in Tournament winning form but what did we realistically expect from him on clay after such a long break? It was a very bad draw for Rog to get Milos in his first match but great to see him pull through. I just hope Old Legs isnt tired already;)

As for Rao, this guy is the real deal, one youngster who may have a bright future. But another so near yet so far match against Federer. I think he will hook Roger sooner than later. Just hope it wont be in a slam. But for his own good, he needs to start taking those chances against the big 3 guys. He outplayed Federer for most of the match today but just couldnt get it done. These guys wont go down themselves and he will have to deal with them for quite a few more years so better start beating them.

Anyway, Good win again FeDaddy:) He is still in the sh!t tournament :rocker2: Now turn up better tomorrow and dont hang around too much on that damn surface and court:D

Deathless Mortal
05-09-2012, 09:39 PM
Allez Rog! :worship:

Tutu
05-09-2012, 09:40 PM
Really good and entertaining match. Raonic played brilliant - Federer was just too good on the big points.

But that was one of the most bizarre matches I've seen from Roger. He was so hesitant on his forehand. There were countless times where he had Raonic on the run (and, I mean, it's hardly Nadal) yet he just put the ball back nowhere in particular and let him back into the point. And he seemed to be trying hardest to avoid his groundstrokes by serve and volleying so much, despite the fact that he wasn't very successful up at the net.

Just strange. Even when he's shanking left and right, he usually still trusts in his forehand and ground game. But not today.

habibko
05-09-2012, 09:40 PM
match point

4WYLUpu0V8s

156mphserve
05-09-2012, 09:41 PM
well 1/3 of those are aces, then add the easy put aways as a result of his serve... = servebot. :wavey:

and ten ad in the 15 winners he had in the return games and you = moron

DrJules
05-09-2012, 09:42 PM
The stats show how superior Raonic was in every category and still Olderer won. How come?

The ability to survive these matches mentally is a major reason why Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are winning so many GS. The best play the big points better.

bleu_cheese
05-09-2012, 09:42 PM
well 1/3 of those are aces, then add the easy put aways as a result of his serve... = servebot. :wavey:

Then there's the passing shots, the return winners, the lob, the smash off of a smash. Real pathetic player, this Milos.

Mystique
05-09-2012, 09:42 PM
By the way, what a boring outfit Roger. Nike FAIL again :help:

JurajCrane
05-09-2012, 09:42 PM
I am so proud of Raonic, really. I was impressed, it was scary ! He should be in top 8 with these kind of performances.

As it was mentioned above, Roger showed tonight why he has won 16 GS.

MachineGun
05-09-2012, 09:42 PM
I want to see Raonic against Nadal in Rome or Roland Garros.

Indeed.

And really... I already said it when the draw was revealed the other day, but Roger is really unlucky with the draws. His path to the final? Hardcore. I mean, 5 potential very difficult matches out of 5. Beat it!

Corey Feldman
05-09-2012, 09:42 PM
so Gasquet going for the clay Masters hat trick over Fed (wins at carlo, rome and madrid) the previous 2 were monumental Fed chokes

cutesteve22
05-09-2012, 09:42 PM
:unsure: probably would lose to Richard next round...

masterclass
05-09-2012, 09:43 PM
Good match from both players. Clutch performance from Federer when it was needed as he shook the rust off. Raonic was a bit unlucky in an excellent effort. Nothing to be ashamed of. Oh, and there was nothing wrong with the court with these two players playing. Their style of play removed the topic from the conversation. And even when they rallied more than 7 or 8 shots it wasn't a big factor.

Respectfully,
masterclass

sleptember
05-09-2012, 09:43 PM
Certainly the most entertaining match I've seen on clay this year. Feel really sad for Milos. Should have won it in two. Hope he learns a lot from this experience.

Federer better win the tournament now.

Time Violation
05-09-2012, 09:43 PM
well 1/3 of those are aces, then add the easy put aways as a result of his serve... = servebot. :wavey:

Yea, I know, he dismantled Nalby, it must suck for you... :bigwave:

fivebargate
05-09-2012, 09:43 PM
Matchplayerer on his first match back....impressive...no pro like an old pro. Milos continues to impress...it really is all coming together for him. His backhand so much improved, movement good, reflex and touch shots showing a bit of magic.....then of course the booming serve and monster forehands from anywhere. Really nice match for him.

That would have been a toughie for anyone today....glad Fed edged it. Nice to see some court conditions rewarding attacking play. :)

DrJules
05-09-2012, 09:43 PM
Total points - Raonic 103, Fed 99. It's the big points that matter in tennis and Raonic didn't play them well - Fed won some of them but there were a few that Raonic lost.

That more than anything to me suggests Raonic will be a top 10 player but not really a dominating force like recent guys at the top have been.

Surprisingly Federer won more points in the 2nd and 3rd sets.

samanosuke
05-09-2012, 09:44 PM
want to apologize to nadal fans for all insults i threw at them and their favorite player. sorry my all closet friends


PS arrogant swiss sending warm regards to RItoy

Gagsquet
05-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Since when was Dimitrov playing Madrid? ::confused:

Dimitrov is the worse version of Federer. You know who I talk about ;)

Jamoz
05-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Good match from both players. Clutch performance from Federer when it was needed as he shook the rust off. Raonic was a bit unlucky in an excellent effort. Nothing to be ashamed of. Oh, and there was nothing wrong with the court with these two players playing. Their style of play removed the topic from the conversation. And even when they rallied more than 7 or 8 shots it wasn't a big factor.

Respectfully,
masterclass

You forget to say Mr ;)

Respectfully,
Jamoz

Certinfy
05-09-2012, 09:46 PM
Dimitrov is the worse version of Federer. You know who I talk about ;)
;)

But really beating Raonic and losing to Gasquet is like the equivalent of a player winning Wimbledon this year and then losing R1 at the Olympics. Pathetic.

masterclass
05-09-2012, 09:47 PM
In the first set, Federer was returning the Raonic first serve from 3-5 meters behind the baseline. On second serve he was close to the baseline. Mid-way in the second set he started returning the first serve from a maximum of 1 meter behind the baseline, and sometimes challenged Raonic right on the baseline. On Raonic's second serve he was moving in past the baseline hitting many shots on the rise.
High risk tennis, but that's what you need to do to pressure a guy like Raonic. Otherwise Raonic gets a lot of confidence...

Respectfully,
masterclass

JurajCrane
05-09-2012, 09:48 PM
Dimitrov is the worse version of Federer. You know who I talk about ;)

If you mean Gasquet, he is a bit overrated, to be honest. But I like his style of play except being 45 metres behind the baseline.

MaratandMilos
05-09-2012, 09:49 PM
Incredible match. Milos is playing on an elite level right now, but Federer played as good as I've seen him play in quite a while in the last two sets. Unfortunate about the loose forehand in the TB by Milos, but I think Federer was taking that TB anyway.

All part of the learning process right now, though. He's getting closer to beating the best, as close as it gets really. I hope the two of them play again in a slam this summer.

Slice Winner
05-09-2012, 09:49 PM
Fed of 2010-2011 would have easily lost this.

Despite what masterclass says, I thought Federer looked uncomfortable with his movement on the surface. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to Richie (tomorrow?) although he did serve well today.

Tennis-Life
05-09-2012, 09:49 PM
In the first set, Federer was returning the Raonic first serve from 3-5 meters behind the baseline. On second serve he was close to the baseline. Mid-way in the second set he started returning the first serve from a maximum of 1 meter behind the baseline, and sometimes challenged Raonic right on the baseline. On Raonic's second serve he was moving in past the baseline hitting many shots on the rise.
High risk tennis, but that's what you need to do to pressure a guy like Raonic. Otherwise Raonic gets a lot of confidence...

Respectfully,
masterclass

this, agree with you

Commander Data
05-09-2012, 09:49 PM
The stats show how superior Raonic was in every category and still Olderer won. How come?

Tiriac

masterclass
05-09-2012, 09:51 PM
You forget to say Mr ;)

Respectfully,
Jamoz


Yes. Mr. Jamoz. I change up once in a while now. I've been told that using "Mr." repetitively was too boring...and hard to read for people ;) Also Mr. Federer is Roger's father, according to Roger Federer. ;)

Respectfully,
masterclass

DrJules
05-09-2012, 09:51 PM
Raonic is certainly surprising many by his clay court performances.

Another good performance after his run in Barcelona.

samanosuke
05-09-2012, 09:51 PM
btw i am not sure if i have ever seen worse W/E of a winner compared with W/E ratio of a loser

KoOlMaNsEaN
05-09-2012, 09:51 PM
I dont know how to feel about this result :unsure::confused:

Gagsquet
05-09-2012, 09:52 PM
;)

But really beating Raonic and losing to Gasquet is like the equivalent of a player winning Wimbledon this year and then losing R1 at the Olympics. Pathetic.

You underestimate Richard.

Orange Wombat
05-09-2012, 09:52 PM
A pretty tight match and a good one, especially by Raonic.
Raonic proving yet again he is NOT a servebot.
Fed proving he can win tight matches.

Deivid23
05-09-2012, 09:53 PM
Houdini like by Federer. We will get him next time, Milos

156mphserve
05-09-2012, 09:54 PM
and add the predictable reply from raonictard = moronic fanboy with racquet up ass

I understand. Troll gets proven wrong and then says something that makes no sense whatsoever. Typical MTF

alter ego
05-09-2012, 09:55 PM
Good job from Roger after such a long break. His baseline game sucks but that might be due to the surface than his current form.


Some of you wrote "clutch" performance.
What does "clutch" mean (in other words or other languagues)

Playing your best tennis in important moments.

viruzzz
05-09-2012, 09:55 PM
Milos played a hell of a match, very proud to be his fan.
Fed played a BAD 1st set, but then, he was always ON in the big points, come on!

Match point was fantastic.

habibko
05-09-2012, 09:56 PM
nice throwback with the S&V exhibition from Roger, a delight to watch, hit some spectacular volleys and half-volleys and proved crucial at some critical stages in the match

probably wanted to save his energy since he's playing back to back matches, or just wanted to find his grove from baseline as the match went on

Orange Wombat
05-09-2012, 09:57 PM
[QUOTE=alter ego;11967605]Good job from Roger after such a long break. His baseline game sucks but that might be due to the surface than his current form.





I think it was also because he was focusing on volleying. He did not want to go blow-to blow with Raonic on the baseline.

samanosuke
05-09-2012, 09:58 PM
Topspindoctor's morning:

Sees a result - tears
Sees a stats - agony
Analyzing consequences if he shows a weakness - apparent calming down
MTF showing - " nid, one more time olderer got lucky against no movement all serve mug "

HKz
05-09-2012, 09:59 PM
I'll be the first to bitch, had Nadal won against Raonic with both players having the same stats, everyone would be going mad right now!

It isn't entirely fair, but come on, you gotta be shitting me. Had Nadal won with the same stats, do you really think he achieved them tactically the same as Federer? I mean it is one thing to play consistent and then escape a loss than to keep going for your shots and escape the loss.

Orange Wombat
05-09-2012, 10:00 PM
nice through-back with the S&V exhibition from Roger, a delight to watch, hit some spectacular volleys and half-volleys and proved crucial at some critical stages in the match

Yes I also found the serve-and-volleying pretty interesting. He could not keep up with Milos on the baseline blow to blow so I guess he came to the net.

alter ego
05-09-2012, 10:00 PM
I think it was also because he was focusing on volleying. He did not want to go blow-to blow with Raonic on the baseline.

Doubt that, in the Tb he stayed behind the baseline

Roamed
05-09-2012, 10:00 PM
Roger :yeah: A tough challenge overcome, great stuff.

Time Violation
05-09-2012, 10:01 PM
same for novak...isner says hi

Isner didn't win with his serve alone either... but what do you know :facepalm:

Blue Heart24
05-09-2012, 10:03 PM
Milos :sad:
But he improved so much on clay :yeah:

Slice Winner
05-09-2012, 10:05 PM
What actually happened in the first set? I was out, came back to the second set to see Federer s&v on 1st and 2nd serves on every point...!

alter ego
05-09-2012, 10:07 PM
What actually happened in the first set? I was out, came back to the second set to see Federer s&v on 1st and 2nd serves on every point...!

serve fest untill 4 all. Fed brainfarted and lost his serve to zero.

Federer in 2
05-09-2012, 10:08 PM
Incredible match. Milos is playing on an elite level right now, but Federer played as good as I've seen him play in quite a while in the last two sets. Unfortunate about the loose forehand in the TB by Milos, but I think Federer was taking that TB anyway.

All part of the learning process right now, though. He's getting closer to beating the best, as close as it gets really. I hope the two of them play again in a slam this summer.

I don't:eek:
Your boy scared the crap outta me today!

martinatreue
05-09-2012, 10:10 PM
Yes I also found the serve-and-volleying pretty interesting. He could not keep up with Milos on the baseline blow to blow so I guess he came to the net.

Yeah it's called tennis. It happens all over the court... not just at the baseline ;)

masterclass
05-09-2012, 10:10 PM
[QUOTE=alter ego;11967605]Good job from Roger after such a long break. His baseline game sucks but that might be due to the surface than his current form.





I think it was also because he was focusing on volleying. He did not want to go blow-to blow with Raonic on the baseline.

You are correct about the volleying, but I'm not so sure going "blow-to-blow" with Raonic on the baseline was the biggest reason.

After hearing about the Djokovic problems with the court and practicing on it, he was probably at least skeptical of the conditions, and his team decided the right tactic was to play as if it were a traditional grass court (with it's normal imperfections), and take the court out of the equation by playing serve and volley tennis as much as possible. He won more than 50% at net out of close to 40 shots, so that's good for serve and volley tennis. But he also won some key points from the baseline when needed. His close to 50-50 Winner vs. UE ratio was due to mostly 3 things. A bit of rust from not being in match conditions for 6 weeks, being constantly under pressure from a big server, and playing high risk tennis trying to get the Raonic serve back quickly to force Raonic to make an error.

The court probably won't be as "slippery" or low bouncing as the weather heats up this week. Expected high temps are for 30 C./86 F. or higher the rest of the week.

Respectfully,
masterclass

GSMnadal
05-09-2012, 10:13 PM
Raonic and Isner are slowly but surely taking over the game...let's hope Nadal & Djokovic will play for years to come to keep them off nr. 1 and 2

allpro
05-09-2012, 10:15 PM
best match of the tournament so far.

raonic needs significant improvement on the ros, esp. in the ad-court where he lost 80-90% of the points including key break opportunities. instead of moving forward diagonally and cutting off the angle on wide serves, he moves diagonally in reverse leaving him way out of position and with a wide open court....easy pickings for fed. the ros is what’s holding milos back.

tennishero
05-09-2012, 10:16 PM
Isner didn't win with his serve alone either... but what do you know :facepalm:

I quote Verdasco: "For me that's not a real match in tennis. I hope to play soon against him in clay court to show him what it is to play tennis, and play rallies, and run, and not [just] serve."

but Im sure you are a better tennis player and know more than him. :rolleyes:

Slice Winner
05-09-2012, 10:16 PM
Nice to see that serve and volley tennis is still a winning proposition when used correctly, and if the conditions suit.
Raonic played absolutely out of his skin, and the S&V was still a good option, despite a few blistering return winners and passes from the Canuck.

masterclass
05-09-2012, 10:17 PM
best match of the tournament so far.

raonic needs significant improvement on the ros, esp. in the ad-court where he lost 80-90% of the points including key break opportunities. instead of moving forward diagonally and cutting off the angle on wide serves, he moves diagonally in reverse leaving him way out of position and with a wide open court....easy pickings for fed. the ros is what’s holding milos back.

Good observation Mr. allpro. :hatoff:

Respectfully,
masterclass

Orka_n
05-09-2012, 10:19 PM
I quote Verdasco: "For me that's not a real match in tennis. I hope to play soon against him in clay court to show him what it is to play tennis, and play rallies, and run, and not [just] serve."

but Im sure you are a better tennis player and know more than him. :rolleyes:What? First of all Verdasco is a whining joke of a player. Secondly Raonic is clearly not just serve, which should be obvious from his two matches here if nothing else.

Mountaindewslave
05-09-2012, 10:19 PM
Interesting match :yeah: Could have been more interesting if Raonic had served better in the tie-break - it's his first defeat in the deciding 3rd set tie-break.

The Centre Court in Madrid is beautiful to watch under the floodlights, especially under these circumstances i enjoy the new colour of the court.

beautiful? are you being sarcastic? i watched this entire match and all that popped up in my head was how ugly and strange the blue clay looked!

good match but one must feel bad for MIlos, he was the one pushing the issue and probably should have been able to pull through with the win... dissapointing tiebreak for him and definitely bad handling of end of second set! good to see Federer not get discouraged after first set though, you know he knows he can win. should be interesting to see if he improves against Gasquet who is in good form

Ashlar77
05-09-2012, 10:19 PM
Roger :yeah: Milos, could have won this... :hug:

LastRocket
05-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Very tight match. Good fight from Federer, great match from Milos. Milos is has a great future ahead of him. Not like some pushray..........

habibko
05-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Yes I also found the serve-and-volleying pretty interesting. He could not keep up with Milos on the baseline blow to blow so I guess he came to the net.

yeah sure because Raonic has a better baseline game than Federer :lol:

MTF never ceases to deliver when it comes to bullshit

Ravel
05-09-2012, 10:22 PM
probably the toughest loss of his young career so far seeing how he had his chances and was leading a bunch of those matchstats..

But good progress for the young guy.

I hope he gets an easier draw in Rome.

shadows
05-09-2012, 10:24 PM
Nice quote from Milos

Raonic: "I entered the court believing I could win. I left the court knowing I can win".

Good mentality

samanosuke
05-09-2012, 10:24 PM
in the second set Fed started serve and volleying every point mainly because he was annoyed that nothing is going good for him, doubt he was doing it with the purpose from beginning and when he survived that first gem of second set was the moment when he saw he could benefit from this tactic

great fighting and huge win for Fed but it's fair to say he got lucky also. this win could be even bigger than it seemed to be. Raonic was by far the worst possible second round draw for Fed, even worse if you know he didn't play for 6 week and this win could give him a hell lot of confidence

samanosuke
05-09-2012, 10:26 PM
Nice quote from Milos



Good mentality

agree but Raonic has already had few of quotes like this after matches he should have won. I mean, it's great to see the things bright but not good for a confidence of young player when he has to use it frequently

Coolio_Jack
05-09-2012, 10:27 PM
Sad day for tennis, Milos really didnt deserve to lose in 2nd round already, he's game today was worth of a semi final.

Federer in 2
05-09-2012, 10:29 PM
God please place Milos VS Nadal at RG

samanosuke
05-09-2012, 10:31 PM
God please place Milos VS Nadal at RG

move that to Chuck Norris thread

Slice Winner
05-09-2012, 10:32 PM
Did anyone tweet the press conference in short?

nole_no1
05-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Raonic made the best match of his career on clay and still it wasn't enough. Exciting match but Fed was the better player in the key moments

MaratandMilos
05-09-2012, 10:35 PM
Nice quote from Milos



Good mentality
Yeah, Milos gets it. He knows he was a break or two away from winning this match. He was right there with a Federer that was playing great tennis.

MaratandMilos
05-09-2012, 10:35 PM
Raonic made the best match of his career on clay and still it wasn't enough. Exciting match but Fed was the better player in the key moments
He's going to have a lot more "best matches of his career on clay" yet.

habibko
05-09-2012, 10:36 PM
FWrbk94Uc38

MaratandMilos
05-09-2012, 10:37 PM
agree but Raonic has already had few of quotes like this after matches he should have won. I mean, it's great to see the things bright but not good for a confidence of young player when he has to use it frequently
Did Milos really look like somebody who lacks confidence to you? Losing a match like this to the GOAT will not hurt his confidence, it will only heighten it considerably.

Pirata.
05-09-2012, 10:45 PM
let's hope Nadal & Djokovic will play for years to come to keep them off nr. 1 and 2

I hope the opposite.

allpro
05-09-2012, 10:52 PM
Good observation Mr. allpro. :hatoff:

Respectfully,
masterclass

thank you mc.

Respectfully,
allpro

@Sweet Cleopatra
05-09-2012, 10:52 PM
Greatest
Of
All
Time

Amazing effort and great win. SF is a lock.

OMG You are so delusional :confused: Federer was bad, Raonic deserved to win. The good thing is Federer not losing but honestly he was really playing bad I dont know what match you have seen.

Nr 1 Fan
05-09-2012, 10:56 PM
Definitely a missed chance for Milos. Hope he takes the good things Out of this and finishes the job next time. He just needs one big win to make the next big step in gis career I feel.

sammy01
05-09-2012, 11:03 PM
That was so random and often bad from federer. I have no idea why he was serve and volleying on 2nd serves and making all osrts of random shot selctions.

really if roanic couldn't beat fed tonight how is he going to if fed plays well and actually gets the tactics right?

moon language
05-09-2012, 11:06 PM
Experiencer defeats the new kid. A real missed opportunity for Raonic, but a lot of good signs from him in this match otherwise.

ossie
05-09-2012, 11:09 PM
finally a serve bot who can actually outace federer. it was a great match and i was pleasantly surprised to see the rest of raonics' game hold up so well against fed, especially his return which is often times not a strong point for big servers. shame he had to lose it but as someone else said before me fed would not have won 16 slams if he didn't have the clutchness to go with the talent.
court looked beautiful btw and so did the ballgirls.

Chase Visa
05-09-2012, 11:15 PM
21 aces and still lost? Ouch.

Tough win for Federer, but he pulled it out in the end.

Lestat
05-09-2012, 11:20 PM
servbots weere not programmed to beat the GOAT.

Mr. Oracle
05-09-2012, 11:25 PM
A win for the kid here would have been a massive confidence booster. Too bad. Nevertheless, I'm sure he will slay a giant very soon.

Gagsquet
05-09-2012, 11:27 PM
servbots weere not programmed to beat the GOAT.

The programmer should be fired. Fuck up the decider tie-break serving program is unpardonable.

Lestat
05-09-2012, 11:42 PM
The programmer should be fired. Fuck up the decider tie-break serving program is unpardonable.

the progam has some bugs not big enough to beat the GOAT.

Mark Lenders
05-09-2012, 11:52 PM
If I were a mod here, there'd be bans for people going on and on about servebots and nonsense of that kind. Are people even aware of the sport they are commenting on? This is tennis.

The serve is and has always been THE most important stroke in tennis. The fact that players with a great serve are mocked and belittled just shows how little people know.

It's as if people wanted Messi removed from football because he scores many goals or Kobe Bryant because he scores many points in basketball.

If people can't appreciate a great serve, they're watching the wrong sport. It is the most important stroke in tennis, the only one a player has full control over, always was and always will be.

Federer in 2
05-09-2012, 11:56 PM
come to think about it, Gasquet and Djokovic fans must be pissed as hell right about now.

Clay Death
05-09-2012, 11:56 PM
did i mention that i am not amused or entertained?

fed can do a lot better and he must.

Mark Lenders
05-09-2012, 11:57 PM
On topic, great match from Raonic against one of the best player in the world, not to mention one of the greatest of all-time.

As if any more proof was necessary, he is the real deal. He's the Andy Roddick of this new generation imo and hopefully he won't have a Roger Federer (terrible match-up for him) stopping him from achieving all that he can. His ground game in itself is not world class, but it's solid. It's a great complement to his fantastic serve and he can break his opponents too.

If he keeps improving, he will definitely be a Grand Slam winner one day in the not too distant future. It's good for the game to have a legitimate top player with a such great serve and an attacking mindset.

fivebargate
05-09-2012, 11:58 PM
If people can't appreciate a great serve, they're watching the wrong sport. It is the most important stroke in tennis, the only one a player has full control over, always was and always will be.

Oh yes....this. I loathe the belittling of great servers. An intrinsic part of the game....it's rare for someone to win a slam without a reliably good one. Ask Murray.

BauerAlmeida
05-10-2012, 12:01 AM
If I were a mod here, there'd be bans for people going on and on about servebots and nonsense of that kind. Are people even aware of the sport they are commenting on? This is tennis.

The serve is and has always been THE most important stroke in tennis. The fact that players with a great serve are mocked and belittled just shows how little people know.

It's as if people wanted Messi removed from football because he scores many goals or Kobe Bryant because he scores many points in basketball.

If people can't appreciate a great serve, they're watching the wrong sport. It is the most important stroke in tennis, the only one a player has full control over, always was and always will be.

The forehand is the most important shot IMO.

Serve is very important, of course, but you only use it half of the games played during a match. And one time in each point.

Lestat
05-10-2012, 12:02 AM
If I were a mod here, there'd be bans for people going on and on about servebots and nonsense of that kind. Are people even aware of the sport they are commenting on? This is tennis.

The serve is and has always been THE most important stroke in tennis. The fact that players with a great serve are mocked and belittled just shows how little people know.

It's as if people wanted Messi removed from football because he scores many goals or Kobe Bryant because he scores many points in basketball.

If people can't appreciate a great serve, they're watching the wrong sport. It is the most important stroke in tennis, the only one a player has full control over, always was and always will be.

thanks god you are just a double user.

LastRocket
05-10-2012, 12:02 AM
Fed/Raonic Comments:

"These are some of the fastest courts on tour, I expected that a few shots would decide the match, that's what it was like back in the days of (Pete) Sampras, (Boris) Becker and (Stefan) Edberg," Federer said. "That's the way it was tonight."

"I thought I could take it to him by serving and volleying and it worked a bit," Federer said. "I definitely started to get a better read on his serve and to get into more baseline rallies, make him hit more shots on his own serve."

"I thought I played really well the whole time, I was doing what I wanted to do, I was dictating ... I just came up a bit short," said Raonic, who served 21 aces. "Tonight it comes down to one point. It's hard not to be disappointed."

Mark Lenders
05-10-2012, 12:04 AM
Oh yes....this. I loathe the belittling of great servers. An intrinsic part of the game....it's rare for someone to win a slam without a reliably good one. Ask Murray.

Yup. Some people act as if having a great serve is an unfair advantage or something. No, it's not, players trained to develop that stroke than they deserve their reward.

Mark Lenders
05-10-2012, 12:08 AM
The forehand is the most important shot IMO.

Serve is very important, of course, but you only use it half of the games played during a match. And one time in each point.

It's the second most important (the forehand) imo.

With a great serve alone, you can be in the ATP tour and make a great living out of tennis even if the rest of your game isn't very good - for instance Karlovic. And you can be top 10 with a great serve and a somewhat limited ground game too. With a great forehand alone, it's more difficult.

It's so important because it's the one shot you have full control over, your opponent can't do anything about it.

I understand some people might find it boring, but to act as if players with great serves are cheating or something is just ridiculous. Any player would love to have a serve like Isner or Raonic's, they don't because they don't have the talent/didn't practice enough to have one.

LastRocket
05-10-2012, 12:10 AM
The serve/FH combo is the best.

GOAT = Fed
05-10-2012, 12:11 AM
Great mental strength shown by Roger, some great play on the big points :worship:

Althouh Raonic was a bit of a mug on some of the big points, not enough credit is being given to Roger's great play on the crucial moments.

Nole fan
05-10-2012, 12:14 AM
This Raonic has great potential. :aplot:

tennizen
05-10-2012, 12:15 AM
Really enjoying this post decline Wily Olderer phase of Federer.

Sunset of Age
05-10-2012, 12:16 AM
That was pretty good stuff from both - as far as I was able to watch the match.
Great clutch playing from Rusty!Rog whenever it mattered most, equally impressive performance from the young Canuck.
A match that deserved two winners rather than one loser.

Nice one Rog, and :hug:s to Raonic for a great performance.
Pretty sure we'll be seeing a lot more from this young fellow soon - perhaps even more than some would like to.
A pity that he had to draw Fed so early in this tournament, he might well have made it far against whatever a different opponent.

Nole fan
05-10-2012, 12:17 AM
Yup. Some people act as if having a great serve is an unfair advantage or something. No, it's not, players trained to develop that stroke than they deserve their reward.

Yeah, but still... it's the least gracious shot in the whole arsenal. I can't admire a player for his serve. The other guy has little he can do against a big serve, it's the only shot that gives you free points without the ball being in play.

Mark Lenders
05-10-2012, 12:23 AM
Yeah, but still... it's the least gracious shot in the whole arsenal. I can't admire a player for his serve. The other guy has little he can do against a big serve, it's the only shot that gives you free points without the ball being in play.

Well, everyone has their favorite strokes, nothing wrong with that.

I was just referring to a group of people on this board who started to marginalize big servers as if they are cheating.

Besides, there's a lot to admire. Raonic, Isner and co. put a lot of time into practice to develop these huge serves, they weren't just gifted them.

Even Federer has a pretty great serve himself, which is part of the reason why he has managed to stay at the top for so long. His ability to win free points off serve is very underrated.

mystic ice cube
05-10-2012, 12:24 AM
So clutch from Federer. Milos played a fantastic match, and if he took this you could say he deserved it. Great match!

Johnny Groove
05-10-2012, 12:27 AM
People acting like its so easy to serve 230 kmh on the line :lol:

The serve is the most important shot in tennis, bar none.

Yeah, but still... it's the least gracious shot in the whole arsenal. I can't admire a player for his serve. The other guy has little he can do against a big serve, it's the only shot that gives you free points without the ball being in play.

Um, when you serve, the ball is in play, sweetheart :hug:

Fujee
05-10-2012, 12:30 AM
Looking forward to watching this. Well done to get past a tough one Vacationerer/Escaperer/Relaxerer/Slackerer

Nole fan
05-10-2012, 12:34 AM
People acting like its so easy to serve 230 kmh on the line :lol:

The serve is the most important shot in tennis, bar none.



Um, when you serve, the ball is in play, sweetheart :hug:

Technically, but if it's an ace... you get my point.

Mark Lenders
05-10-2012, 12:38 AM
People acting like its so easy to serve 230 kmh on the line :lol:

The serve is the most important shot in tennis, bar none.



Um, when you serve, the ball is in play, sweetheart :hug:

Those same people whining would be thrilled if their favorite player could serve like that.

I'm too young to know, but I wonder if during Sampras's reign fans of his rivals also whined about Sampras being a serve-bot and it being unfair. After all, Pistol Pete has one of the best serves of all-time.

Nole fan
05-10-2012, 12:41 AM
Those same people whining would be thrilled if their favorite player could serve like that.

I'm too young to know, but I wonder if during Sampras's reign fans of his rivals also whined about Sampras being a serve-bot and it being unfair. After all, Pistol Pete has one of the best serves of all-time.

Yeah and he was boring as hell. I don't know how many fans, specially in Europe, have said to me they stopped watching tennis because of him. Nothing against Pistol Pete though, he's a legend. But I wouldn't want the 90s to be back. :tape:

swebright
05-10-2012, 12:42 AM
If Raonic and Del Po didn't meet Fed this year (? 2 and 4), they would be climbing the seeding a lot faster !!

Mark Lenders
05-10-2012, 12:51 AM
Yeah and he was boring as hell. I don't know how many fans, specially in Europe, have said to me they stopped watching tennis because of him. Nothing against Pistol Pete though, he's a legend. But I wouldn't want the 90s to be back. :tape:

To each their own, I guess. I like great serving matches, so I enjoy watching Ivanesivc vs Sampras Wimbledon matches from the 90s. But I understand why some people could find them boring.

To me, though, tennis is about variety. The Nadal vs Novak matches are awesome, but if everyone played like that it'd be boring. The more variety we have at the top, the better.

I guess if everyone played like Sampras/Raonic, I'd find it boring, but as one of many styles, it's a welcome addition imo. Great defenders (Nadal), offensive baseliners (Djokovic), all-court players (Federer), big hitters (Del Potro), even "pushers" (Murray) and big servers (hopefully one day Raonic). The more variety there is among legitimate top players, the more interesting the sport/match-ups in big events will be.

There's not one right way to play tennis, all are valid - that's why we look at top players over history and all have different styles.

Nole fan
05-10-2012, 12:53 AM
To each their own, I guess. I like great serving matches, so I enjoy watching Ivanesivc vs Sampras Wimbledon matches from the 90s. But I understand why some people could find them boring.

To me, though, tennis is about variety. The Nadal vs Novak matches are awesome, but if everyone played like that it'd be boring. The more variety we have at the top, the better.

I guess if everyone played like Sampras/Raonic, I'd find it boring, but as one of many styles, it's a welcome addition imo. Great defenders (Nadal), offensive baseliners (Djokovic), all-court players (Federer), big hitters (Del Potro), even "pushers" (Murray) and big servers (hopefully one day Raonic). The more variety there is among legitimate top players, the more interesting the sport/match-ups in big events will be.

Agreed. But if now serve&volley made a big comeback and all of a sudden everyone started playing like that, MTF would still bitch about it ad eternum. Seems no one is ever happy. I just say let's enjoy this era because it's probably irrepetible. :cool:

Mark Lenders
05-10-2012, 12:57 AM
Agreed. But if now serve&volley made a big comeback and all of a sudden everyone started playing like that, MTF would still bitch about it ad eternum. Seems no one is ever happy. I just say let's enjoy this era because it's probably irrepetible. :cool:

Amen to that. We should enjoy the great tennis produced by the current top guys and the pretenders to their throne too (one of them being Raonic).

abraxas21
05-10-2012, 01:00 AM
im not happy with muger fraudurer

unforcedterror
05-10-2012, 01:12 AM
So disappointing for a Raonic fan :( especially when you look at the stats. Clutch from Roger though. Big match experience pulled him through.

Snowwy
05-10-2012, 01:23 AM
Raonic won more points than Federer.

unforcedterror
05-10-2012, 01:26 AM
Raonic won more points than Federer.

That's the disappointing part. :bigcry:

Sunset of Age
05-10-2012, 01:34 AM
Raonic won more points than Federer.

There have been plenty of matches in the past where Fed won the most points and eventually LOST, too.
It's not about who makes the most points - it's all about who plays the important points best. :)

abraxas21
05-10-2012, 01:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWrbk94Uc38

hilarious at 3:30 when federer tried to serve and volley in 3 consecutive points and in all 3 got passed spectacularly by milos

Mark Lenders
05-10-2012, 01:39 AM
In one of the best tennis match of all-time, Federer had more points than his opponent and lost. I'm talking of course about his epic Australian Open 2005 semifinal against Safin.

The tennis scoring system means that, in matches where both players are very even all throughout, the outcome will be decided by a few decisive points. That's part of what makes the sport so compelling.

chenx15
05-10-2012, 01:41 AM
milos getting really close on the fed. if all goes well i think he will win a couple from fed next year.

Chirag
05-10-2012, 01:46 AM
wasnt the better player in this match but a win is a win :yeah:

abraxas21
05-10-2012, 01:56 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z7bdi-H5Tak/T6riFreWdOI/AAAAAAAAAQg/X6lMgcYORZw/s1600/Federer-Raonic.jpg

lol, looking at the stats alone you'd think theres no way federer was the winner

Clay Death
05-10-2012, 02:06 AM
statistics are like a hot bikini: what they reveal is suggestive. what they conceal is vital.

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 02:27 AM
God fucking dammit! Milos should have won this. No excuses.

He was leagues the better player in this match. Fuck tennis.

Maybe next time.

gulzhan
05-10-2012, 02:46 AM
Raonic deserved this win. More winners, less UEs, more aces, more points at net (Fed's number is laughable btw), more BPs, everything about Raonic was better in this match. As they say, better player lost?

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 02:53 AM
A decent try from the young gun. He'll take some positives from that match. I think he'll get a win over Olderer, Nadal or Djokovic this year.

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 02:54 AM
It was Raonic who was coming up with the shots. Brilliant lobs, forehand/backhand was better than usual, excellent one handed wrist flick passing shots (which I never knew the guy had that in him). Fuck tennis whenever the better player loses.

But he's made some good progress that's for sure. I hope he gets a decent draw in Rome so he can school some opening round mugs there.

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 02:56 AM
It was Raonic who was coming up with the shots. Brilliant lobs, forehand/backhand was better than usual, excellent one handed wrist flick passing shots (which I never knew the guy had that in him). Fuck tennis whenever the better player loses.

But he's made some good progress that's for sure. I hope he gets a decent draw in Rome so he can school some opening round mugs there.

He still lacks experience on the big stage. And clay is his worst surface. Give him a year or two and he'll be a GS winner no doubt.

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 03:03 AM
You can tell how pissed he was at the end when he shook Olderer's hand and the umpire's. Oh well, his time will come. Didn't make that many UE's but made the majority of them in the important moments. I'm sure he will school Olderer should they meet in Montreal this year.

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 03:33 AM
All learning experience for the future GOAT. I have no doubt he has learnt from this match. Olderer is a bit too strong at this point. Raonic is already above clowns like Pushray, he proved that. He only needs to break through against the big three and the big titles will come. It was a good learning experience, I am overall happy with his progress.

duchuy89
05-10-2012, 03:45 AM
Federer
Bad, bad

superslam77
05-10-2012, 04:01 AM
Raonic deserved this win. More winners, less UEs, more aces, more points at net (Fed's number is laughable btw), more BPs, everything about Raonic was better in this match. As they say, better player lost?

:rolleyes: fed won 19 at the net compared to 6
get your facts straight

Lestat
05-10-2012, 04:24 AM
lol, looking at the stats alone you'd think theres no way federer was the winner

obviously the high porcentage of break points won was decisive
:haha:

Asadinator
05-10-2012, 04:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWrbk94Uc38

hilarious at 3:30 when federer tried to serve and volley in 3 consecutive points and in all 3 got passed spectacularly by milos

:lol: Lazyerer

Mystique
05-10-2012, 05:18 AM
It was Raonic who was coming up with the shots. Brilliant lobs, forehand/backhand was better than usual, excellent one handed wrist flick passing shots (which I never knew the guy had that in him). Fuck tennis whenever the better player loses.



Raonic deserved this win. More winners, less UEs, more aces, more points at net (Fed's number is laughable btw), more BPs, everything about Raonic was better in this match. As they say, better player lost?

This coming from a pair of Nadal fans:haha::silly: Hypocrisy of the highest order.:o

Allez
05-10-2012, 05:43 AM
Raonic is the real deal. Amazing performance from him. It's only a matter of time before he reaches the top 5 and has to be a major contender for Wimbledon/Olympics. Good to see Rogi grind out these sort of matches but to be honest he is not in tournament winning form. I'd be amazed if he managed to sneak past Gasquet who really loves playing Roger on clay.

Jaz
05-10-2012, 07:07 AM
Federer very, and understandably rusty.

It wasn't bad, just mediocre in every dept, a good run in a few tournaments will probably do him a lot of good!

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 07:12 AM
This coming from a pair of Nadal fans:haha::silly: Hypocrisy of the highest order.:o

I'm a fan of no one, I'm just stating the facts :stupid:

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 07:16 AM
Brotree is just a general hater :sport: :cool:

Ad Wim
05-10-2012, 07:23 AM
Federer of 2006 again. Not by level but by clutchness.
Was the lesser playing in the first two sets, didn't get any returns in. But when it mattered most, at 6-5, he suddenly made all the 1st serve returns and broke for the set.

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 07:23 AM
Just look at this shit and tell me who was the better player.

6:45 - 7:05
65CSM0M85_Q

Brotree is just a general hater :sport: :cool:

Damn fucking right :rocker2:

Jaz
05-10-2012, 07:26 AM
Just look at this shit and tell me who was the better player.

6:45 - 7:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65CSM0M85_Q



Damn fucking right :rocker2:

I think i'll pull up the video's of Federer's matches where he lost but still played better. Just for fun. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Navratil
05-10-2012, 08:28 AM
Raonic will be top ten by the end of the summer!

garad
05-10-2012, 09:18 AM
Just look at this shit and tell me who was the better player.

6:45 - 7:05
65CSM0M85_Q



Damn fucking right :rocker2:

so you selectivelly choose 20 seconds of HIGHLIGHTS video to show us who the better player was? Laughable. Fed had more variety, won, just get over it, maybe he will lose next time.

duong
05-10-2012, 09:20 AM
Sorry for Milos :sad: but he's a future top-5 for sure :yeah:

That one-handed backhand passing-shot he made on first set point in second set took an admiring exclamation from me :clap2:

Thanks to Tennis_Analyst's file :worship: , I could see that it's one of Fed's 8 matches won while winning less points than his opponent, the second worst one in percentage (49%) after his win against Malisse in Wimbledon 2001 in second round (6-3 7-5 3-6 4-6 6-3) where he had won only 48.3% points.

But if you consider the matches where he won less % points on return than his opponent (a stat which I prefer, less dependent on the number of points you play on your serve), it's the 19th one he has won like that.

Tennis-Life
05-10-2012, 09:20 AM
I'm a fan of no one, I'm just stating the facts :stupid:
What facts are you talking about, who wins big points wins the match. Thats all tennis about.

duong
05-10-2012, 09:27 AM
Obviously Fed was lucky yesterday and Raonic deserved more to win, but it was a great quality match, not the best from Fed, but it was great from him being able to play such a match after so many weeks off.

And actually Fed has has his share of bad luck in matches like that,

Raonic will for sure take more of his opportunities in the future : with such a serve he's typically the player who will win matches winning less points than his opponent :lol:

rg121
05-10-2012, 09:32 AM
I've made my prediction on Milos in past. He's the next Non-RF/RN/ND GS Champ. A Wimbledon match between Milos and Rafa is what I want to see this year. Hope it happens.

rg121
05-10-2012, 09:41 AM
Slightly baseless how most people are calling Fed lucky and all for yesterday's win. I mean come on, Milos is a serious challange right now for any player on tour. Knocking down Murray n Nalbandian the way he did..wasn't that indication enough of his calibre? Credit goes entirely to Roger for digging deep, and getting the W. He was virtually a MP down in the 2nd set, at 5-5, 40-AD, but right then the man went onto a different gear, brought out the very best to quickly close the set in the next game. May be, there, right there, was the difference between Winning/ Losing.

ALL HAIL THE KING

duong
05-10-2012, 09:50 AM
The key was that Fed somehow read all the Raonic's serve in TB.

even more key was the game when he broke in second set : Fed led 15-40 returning 4 first serves very well.

strange that like in Indian Wells, there are moments when he seemed to read very well Raonic's serve.

duong
05-10-2012, 09:52 AM
Milos is a serious challange right now for any player on tour. Knocking down Murray n Nalbandian the way he did..wasn't that indication enough of his calibre?

and on this court, Raonic is much more dangerous than on Barcelona court

if Raonic had beaten Fed, I would really have liked to see Djokovic playing against him ;)

duong
05-10-2012, 09:57 AM
I'll be the first to bitch, had Nadal won against Raonic with both players having the same stats, everyone would be going mad right now!

Actually I know my French sports newspaper "l'Equipe" : in such cases, they always say "how awful Fed's opponent played on big points !" and "what a great fight from Nadal, unbreakable mental !" :haha:

Lets say every big point Raonic had ended in a pathetic unforced error. I'm not even exaggerating, that's what really happened.

Typical :haha:

Tennis-Life
05-10-2012, 10:01 AM
Raonic should happy with result. Federer was playing his first match in six weeks, otherwise score could have been different

Slice Winner
05-10-2012, 10:03 AM
Considering Djokovic lost a set to Gimeno Traver, Raonic playing like this would have killed him. Worse than Nole's loss to Isner at IW, but same sort of thing.

duong
05-10-2012, 10:06 AM
21 aces in 3 sets on a clay court certainly is high while Federer only managed 7. Raonic could be very dangerous at Wimbledon.

actually I think Fed managed to keep this number quite small comparing to what Raonic would have done against another one : against Nalbandian he hit 16 aces in 10 service games (16 aces out of 27 first serves in, 59%), against Fed 21 aces in 17 service games (21 aces out of 57 first serves in, 37%)

Fed quite has a good anticipation of Raonic's serve imo.

Imo Raonic will be very dangerous in the US Open too.

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 10:12 AM
Raonic aced Olderer 21 times and won 86%FS points - he is a huge server that Olderer struggles with - Olderer can break Isner much easier.

duong
05-10-2012, 10:21 AM
Yes I also found the serve-and-volleying pretty interesting. He could not keep up with Milos on the baseline blow to blow so I guess he came to the net.

to say the truth, at the moment he did that (first game of second set), it looked more like a tanking than anything.

Annacone and Luthi looked worried "what the fuck is he doing ?"

It was too systematic and predictable, Milos was brilliant on return and passing at that moment but this tactics helped him shine even more.

Maybe it was also because of the sliding court.

Later in the match Fed played serve-and-volley less systematically.

It was a tough play and sometimes he really saved the volleys "Houdini-like".

He didn't look confident on his baseline game, which was not very good, esp. not aggressive enough with his forehand,

but it's a matter of time spent on court : it will come with matches with more rhythm like the one against Gasquet and probably Ferrer.

habibko
05-10-2012, 10:22 AM
Just look at this shit and tell me who was the better player.

the better player is the player who won the points that really mattered, that's how results are decided in tennis and that's what distinguishes winners from losers, champions from pretenders

Vida
05-10-2012, 10:38 AM
congrats fed- good win.

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 10:39 AM
The lad needs to get his ranking up a bit. Sucks running into Olderer in R2. :(

samanosuke
05-10-2012, 11:04 AM
Expected result. This talentless serve-bot has nothing to hurt Nadal with when the rally is going. Pathetic that the new generation of players is so ridiculously talentless and brainless. I might have to retire from watching tennis if mugs like Raonic are called "the future".


A decent try from the young gun. He'll take some positives from that match. I think he'll get a win over Olderer, Nadal or Djokovic this year.

once again you are the only MUG here

:wavey:

Sophocles
05-10-2012, 11:17 AM
The impressive thing about Raonic is how good he is at ending rallies early. He has a very aggressive approach reminiscent of Roddick's when he was actually good (2003-4). A bit of work on his net game and returning and he will be very dangerous to everybody everywhere.

In terms of mental strength and confidence-building this was a big win for Federer. The kamikaze serving-&-volleying on 2nd serves was strange, but I suppose he lacked faith in the court's bounce and wanted to break Raonic's rhythm just as Raonic was breaking his.

fivebargate
05-10-2012, 12:32 PM
The kamikaze serving-&-volleying on 2nd serves was strange, but I suppose he lacked faith in the court's bounce and wanted to break Raonic's rhythm just as Raonic was breaking his.

It was a really effective ploy to unsettle Raonic who was grooving....consider it a long con. Towards the end you saw how Raonic struggled more and more to see what Federer would do next.

So ok, the rust from Federer was apparent....but it was a beautiful match in many ways. I love watching Federer try and figure out matches like this...and the way he doesn't panic, but gradually turns the screw probing and calculating the best way to hurt the opponent and gently turn the match his way. Love it.

Hingisova
05-10-2012, 12:44 PM
As a Canadian I was applauding Raonic's success in the first set, then my loyalities shifted as I wanted Rog to win the second, the match could have gone either way but it is compelling to see how Rog contemplates his next move then comes up with the "goods" when he needs to ....next time Milos!:worship: Good match!

Hingisova:wavey:

Imperfect Angel
05-10-2012, 01:56 PM
:eek: Federer toughed it out.:worship:

tennis2tennis
05-10-2012, 02:15 PM
As a Canadian I was applauding Raonic's success in the first set, then my loyalities shifted as I wanted Rog to win the second, the match could have gone either way but it is compelling to see how Rog contemplates his next move then comes up with the "goods" when he needs to ....next time Milos!:worship: Good match!

Hingisova:wavey:

LOL I was the opposite as a Swiss I was with Fed but part of me wanted to see a new face...

Ibracadabra
05-10-2012, 02:23 PM
And that is why roger is the greatest ever.

Hian-GOAT
05-10-2012, 02:35 PM
He did it :sobbing:

As for Raonic...
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/Bigsteve87/Gifs/ByeBitch.gif