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Novak playing Halle too? - poor Queens only has Murray

Ash86
05-09-2012, 06:11 PM
According to twitter Nole will join Rafa and Fed at Halle - what a stacked 250 - ha!! Think he should have gone for Queens where he's only have to face Andy. Guess Halle has a lot of money to throw around if it managed to get all 3 guys. Watch Rafa tank in the quarters as usual...

Might finally get Nole/Fed on grass though!

Mark Lenders
05-09-2012, 06:13 PM
I had no idea tournaments only had 1-4 players. But good for Murray, since Queens only has Murray, not even he can choke a tournament where he is the only competitor.

scoobs
05-09-2012, 06:17 PM
Very old news - it was known months ago that this year Murray would be top seed at Queens, largely due to the tax issue that is worse this year because of the Olympics.

lalaland
05-09-2012, 06:18 PM
According to twitter Nole will join Rafa and Fed at Queens - what a stacked 250 - ha!! Think he should have gone for Halle where he's only have to face Andy. Guess Halle has a lot of money to throw around if it managed to get all 3 guys. Watch Rafa tank in the quarters as usual...

Might finally get Nole/Fed on grass though!

Joining Rafa and Fed at Halle, you mean, and Andy at Queens by himself.

Well, Nole's the backup in case Fed pull another no show :p.

Ash86
05-09-2012, 06:18 PM
I had no idea tournaments only had 1-4 players. But good for Murray, since Queens only has Murray, not even he can choke a tournament where he is the only competitor.

Obviously I meant from the top 4. :o

Still surprising. Money talks. Both Nadal and Novak like Queens but it's business. Would be hilarious if someone other than the top 3 ended up winning it. Florian Mayer will rise.

ServeVolley
05-09-2012, 06:19 PM
According to twitter Nole will join Rafa and Fed at Queens - what a stacked 250 - ha!! Think he should have gone for Halle where he's only have to face Andy. Guess Halle has a lot of money to throw around if it managed to get all 3 guys. Watch Rafa tank in the quarters as usual...


Think you got the two mixed up there... But really, what a joke for an ATP250 event. As I've said many times before, Halle ought to be at least a 500 tournament and Queens a M1000.

TennisOnWood
05-09-2012, 06:28 PM
Theres nothing poor about great Queens

el tenista
05-09-2012, 06:29 PM
Can you give a twitter link for your posting?

_Chaz
05-09-2012, 06:30 PM
Source?

Lopez
05-09-2012, 06:44 PM
According to twitter Nole will join Rafa and Fed at Queens - what a stacked 250 - ha!! Think he should have gone for Halle where he's only have to face Andy. Guess Halle has a lot of money to throw around if it managed to get all 3 guys. Watch Rafa tank in the quarters as usual...

Might finally get Nole/Fed on grass though!

It's probably not about Halle throwing money around, rather the tax politics of GBR (which scoobs also stated) which is a bit silly to be honest.

Mark Lenders
05-09-2012, 06:54 PM
Obviously I meant from the top 4. :o

Still surprising. Money talks. Both Nadal and Novak like Queens but it's business. Would be hilarious if someone other than the top 3 ended up winning it. Florian Mayer will rise.

I knew that, I was obviously being ironic.

Still don't like the way you worded the thread title, makes it seem like the other players are irrelevant, which is not exactly the idea we want to spread on a tennis forum, is it?

lalaland
05-09-2012, 06:55 PM
Don't quite know what's that tax situation you guys keep referring to. Can anyone please kindly explain? Thanks.

Foxy
05-09-2012, 07:02 PM
Don't quite know what's that tax situation you guys keep referring to. Can anyone please kindly explain? Thanks.

Players are getting axed 50% of their prize money in all GBR tournaments - Wimby, Queens, WTF...

Alex999
05-09-2012, 07:24 PM
so I find Halle to be #5 GS right now, hm .. having top 3 monkeys , kinda strange. I thought Brits were smarter ...

Ash86
05-09-2012, 07:27 PM
Can you give a twitter link for your posting?

French journalist Carole Bouchard:

Super late on this : Djokovic is also going to Halle this season ? With Federer and Nadal ?! #ArghForQueens #TheyStillHaveAndyThough #Weird

https://twitter.com/#!/carole_bouchard/status/200270330818859010

And obviously I don't think a tournament is just 4 players - I love Queens. Londoner myself so annoyed that Nadal's chosen to go off to Germany. :o

Queens is one of the best tournaments on tour - there need to be more tournaments at clubs. The atmosphere there and at Barcelona for example is so much better than at manufactured tournaments like Madrid and Shanghai. Queens will have Tsonga, Roddick, Del Potro etc. so still a stellar line up but obviously for once attention will be on Halle more than Queens. In the past Queens has had the better line up (Nadal, Roddick, Murray, Hewitt etc.) so more attention was on that I think....

_Chaz
05-09-2012, 07:30 PM
So that's only rumours so far, nothing official at all.

el tenista
05-09-2012, 07:32 PM
Excellent news for the tournament if it's true. And for me as well because I'll be there for the semifinals... :)

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
05-09-2012, 07:33 PM
players should all boycott wimbledon again and player a pro slam on grass

50% tax on earnings is so unbelieveably ridiculous

most of the rich in england dont pay any tax anyway- thank the conservatives for that one- this country is so royally fucked right now- and to think i voted lib dems-

never again

Matt01
05-09-2012, 09:23 PM
According to twitter Nole will join Rafa and Fed at Queens - what a stacked 250 - ha!! Think he should have gone for Halle where he's only have to face Andy. Guess Halle has a lot of money to throw around if it managed to get all 3 guys. Watch Rafa tank in the quarters as usual...

Might finally get Nole/Fed on grass though!


You got the names wrong all here. And besides, did you not notice the question mark on the that twitter site?

This thread = big fail. :facepalm:

Ash86
05-09-2012, 09:49 PM
You got the names wrong all here. And besides, did you not notice the question mark on the that twitter site?

This thread = big fail. :facepalm:

I got Queens wrong - one word. Changed it now. The question marks were there because that journo had only just heard - she wasn't plucking it out of the air. She writes for L'Equipe and is very much up on news. Further interactions did not make it sound like it was a rumour at all.

To me it's an interesting story - I love Queens and I'm surprised that only 1 of the world's top 4 will be there. Sorry if the thread bothered you.

Mountaindewslave
05-09-2012, 10:14 PM
not too shocking but it is dissapointing that all of these players prioritize prize money over tradition and prestige.... Queens only have one of the top guys is pretty disappointing. what history does Halle have, seriously?

I do agree the tax laws are absolutely ridiculous this season as far as Great Britain is concerned, but Halle having a better field than Queens is a bit of a joke considering the tournaments respective histories

cutesteve22
05-09-2012, 10:21 PM
good for Halle, it would be interesting to see those Wimbledon champions play each other on grass outside Wimbledon

reery
05-09-2012, 10:37 PM
not too shocking but it is dissapointing that all of these players prioritize prize money over tradition and prestige.... Queens only have one of the top guys is pretty disappointing. what history does Halle have, seriously?

I do agree the tax laws are absolutely ridiculous this season as far as Great Britain is concerned, but Halle having a better field than Queens is a bit of a joke considering the tournaments respective histories

Halle has a roof. Queens is always a nuisance with the rain.

mooncreek
05-09-2012, 10:42 PM
It doesn't really matter because Roger or Novak (depending on who makes the French Open final) will skip and Rafa will donate a win to someone.

Henry Chinaski
05-09-2012, 11:26 PM
Players are getting axed 50% of their prize money in all GBR tournaments - Wimby, Queens, WTF...

it's nothing to do with the tax on prize money.

the issue is that players can be taxed on other earnings such as endorsements for each week of the season they spend in the UK.

so in theory if Nadal is paid 20m a year by Nike, spends 5 weeks in the UK (roughly 10% of the year) he has to pay 2m of that to HMRC (the uk tax authority).


Simplistic explanation but that is the crux of the matter, not the flat tax rate. I'm not sure how it is calculated. It might be % of tournaments played in a year, rather than % of weeks.

156mphserve
05-09-2012, 11:39 PM
Halle has Milos, nobody else matters

bouncer7
05-09-2012, 11:41 PM
Noone of top players love Queens because of rain delays

tealeaves
05-09-2012, 11:42 PM
Queens is way too expensive for me to go there.

LastRocket
05-10-2012, 12:10 AM
Halle has Milos, nobody else matters

confirmed?

Pushray will have fun with the pushers club in Queens

Ash86
05-10-2012, 12:16 AM
It doesn't really matter because Roger or Novak (depending on who makes the French Open final) will skip and Rafa will donate a win to someone.

True - just about sums it up. Who will be this year's Feliciano Lopez or Tsonga - perhaps Raonic? Fits the big serve bill... Time to check out and relax in Mallorca for a few days...

Though Fed can't skip it this year with them naming a street after him and everything. He's only won it 5 times and it's a 250 - by that standard Monte Carlo should name the whole club after Nadal. Basel naming things after Fed I can understand - but Halle? Especially after he snubbed it last year? :lol: Odd move.

Chase Visa
05-10-2012, 12:22 AM
Haha Halle will look insane now. Better than most 500's.

Matt01
05-10-2012, 12:36 AM
I got Queens wrong - one word. Changed it now. The question marks were there because that journo had only just heard - she wasn't plucking it out of the air. She writes for L'Equipe and is very much up on news. Further interactions did not make it sound like it was a rumour at all.

To me it's an interesting story - I love Queens and I'm surprised that only 1 of the world's top 4 will be there. Sorry if the thread bothered you.


"Only 1 of the world's top 4" is still fine for a 250 tourney.

And to be honest, yes it bothers me that you start a thread with an information and then are only able to back it up with a twitter site that has a question mark on it. I looked on entry list and official site of Halle and there is nothing to be found about Djokovic there.

Put a question in your thread title and all problems are solved.

Eden
05-10-2012, 12:40 AM
confirmed?


Have a look here and you see Milos' name in the entry list:

http://www.gerryweber-open.de/gwo_en/Players/Single

There are no news about Novak in the German media. I know that duong posted a comment from the tournament director of Marseilles a few months ago where he said that Novak would play in Halle but I think we would have heard something official meanwhile if it would be true.

Beside this in all tournament programs they advertise Roger's and Rafa's participation in Halle.

Of course nobody knows if Novak is going to make a late decision and wants to play a preparation tournament for Wimbledon this year but I think it's better to wait for an official statement ;)

mark73
05-10-2012, 01:45 AM
Halle grabbing the big boys because everyone wants to be like Fed.

156mphserve
05-10-2012, 02:14 AM
in that case it won't have anyone next year because like Fed nobody will play it during odd numbered years:lol:

Chirag
05-10-2012, 03:13 AM
I will wait till its official before celebratng :p

Mountaindewslave
05-10-2012, 03:50 AM
Halle has a roof. Queens is always a nuisance with the rain.

a nuisance but a legendary nuisance at that

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 04:25 AM
At least it's a chance for Mugray to finally capture a title.

Eden
05-10-2012, 09:10 AM
At least it's a chance for Mugray to finally capture a title.

He already won the tournament twice so I don't think it matters which entry list Queens has ;)

duong
05-10-2012, 11:45 AM
Super late on this : Djokovic is also going to Halle this season ? With Federer and Nadal ?! #ArghForQueens #TheyStillHaveAndyThough #Weird

I think it's a mistake from Carole Bouchard : she says she's "super-late" and actually if there were rumours about that some months ago (Halle's director clearly tried to attract him), as Eden posted, the most recent news we have now is that Djokovic is not on Halle's entry-list.

If really it was an "old news", he would definitely be on the entry-list, which was official one week ago. And if Bouchard really had a "scoop" about Djokovic deciding to come with a wild-card, she wouldn't say "super-late" :shrug: And no other source talked about that :shrug:

Probably Bouchard saw that he didn't play the Queens and concluded he would play Halle, because it's not common that one of the top-4 decides in advance that he will not play either the Queens or Halle (nearly all top-players bar Ferrer and Almagro usually play).

Then imo this "news" is nothing and you should change the thread title with a question mark : the best option being that Djokovic told some people that if he decided in last minute to play that week, he would come to Halle, which Bouchard would reveal before anybody else. In that case it would be a "scoop" indeed but why was she so humble saying "super-late" (Bouchard is not especially a shy modest person :lol: ) ? But at the moment, Djokovic probably has not decided to play that week.

philosophicalarf
05-10-2012, 01:09 PM
players should all boycott wimbledon again and player a pro slam on grass

50% tax on earnings is so unbelieveably ridiculous

most of the rich in england dont pay any tax anyway- thank the conservatives for that one- this country is so royally fucked right now- and to think i voted lib dems-



50% tax is what "normal" people pay :-) Why should (rich) tennis players get an exemption?


(ps almost all current UK tax law was created by the previous Labour government)

monmororin
05-10-2012, 01:56 PM
50% tax is what "normal" people pay :-) Why should (rich) tennis players get an exemption?


(ps almost all current UK tax law was created by the previous Labour government)


I heard that UEFA is exempted from TAX law of UK.
THIS is really ridiculous.:o
Football is King of sports in the world and most people related to football are very rich.

BodyServe
05-10-2012, 02:03 PM
Queens still have proper grass -not imported "grass"- so i would watch Queens instead of Halle any day of the week.

Navratil
05-10-2012, 02:26 PM
Plus Navratilova plays an Exhibition Mixed Doubles in Halle too :)

Alex999
05-10-2012, 03:15 PM
who knows? this is still not very reliable. I actually doubt Nole will show up at Halle.

bouncer7
05-10-2012, 05:12 PM
who knows? this is still not very reliable. I actually doubt Nole will show up at Halle.

even if he fails in first week of RG?

Sapeod
05-10-2012, 05:15 PM
Andy will have an easy time at Queen if this is true, while they bust their balls trying to beat each other over there at Halle. Only having Andy isn't a bad thing, especially for a British tournament. It would be worse for Halle if they only had Murray rather than Queens having only Murray.

Alex999
05-10-2012, 05:27 PM
even if he fails in first week of RG?
well, all I said, I don't know ... too much speculations here, and no Novak is not losing R1 at RG :)

Sapeod
05-10-2012, 05:34 PM
well, all I said, I don't know ... too much speculations here, and no Novak is not losing R1 at RG :)
Losing in the first week of RG means you lose in one of the first four rounds, not just in the first round.

shadows
05-10-2012, 05:36 PM
Disaster for Queens when none of the big 3 want to show at the event.

Fortunately they'll be fine this year with decent British interest, but it doesn't bode well if the best players start to congregate at Halle for a more serious tune up.

Alex999
05-10-2012, 05:38 PM
Losing in the first week of RG means you lose in one of the first four rounds, not just in the first round.
yeah, too tired here, missed it ... I had to work almost all night long (some stupid paper work)... still trying to stay awake for the Nole/Wawa match.

tangerine_dream
05-10-2012, 06:31 PM
poor Queens only has Murray
And Pippa Middleton.

dencod16
05-10-2012, 06:48 PM
Don't quite know what's that tax situation you guys keep referring to. Can anyone please kindly explain? Thanks.

Its not the Prize Money that they have issue with. It's actually the endorsement as UK will get 15% of whatever you endorse while playing in GBR. For example if a players gets payed 4M a year for endorsing a certain product in UK, UK will get 15% of it which means 600,000. That's the main issue as most top player's get paid a lot they might lose money rather than earn money playing in the event. Dont know how the calculation is done i think its by weeks as to paying 15% he will be paying 10% for the playing Queen's, Nadal that is.

n8
05-11-2012, 02:18 PM
A reason why Halle might be more appealing to top players (that I don't think has been mentioned) is its smaller draw size. With only a 28-draw (as opposed to Queen's 56), top players start later in the week. Perfect for the top 3 who will probably feature very late in the Roland Garros event.

Slice Winner
05-11-2012, 02:29 PM
Glad to see more of the big guys at an actual grass court, not that green clay at Queen's.
Hopefully the top 3 actually play and don't pull out.

Fireballer
05-11-2012, 02:46 PM
Andy to win Queens again complete his hat trick that lose to Rafa at Wimbledon SF as always