Samuel Groth breaks serve speed world record (163mph/263km/h) - [NOW OFFICIAL]

Li Ching Yuen
05-09-2012, 09:26 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/SamuelGroth/status/200127846134464512

Not confirmed yet by the ATP though.

Topspindoctor
05-09-2012, 09:31 AM
Isn't he the coach of that journeywoman who changed her last name? I didn't even know he played pro tennis. Lol.

Action Jackson
05-09-2012, 09:31 AM
Not bad after shoulder surgery and hilariously low ball toss. Too bad the Grothawk is dead.

duong
05-09-2012, 09:32 AM
Where was it ?

I had read that Olivetti had also been measured quicker than Karlovic but being in a challenger the measure had not been officialized.

Helevorn
05-09-2012, 09:36 AM
Isn't he the coach of that journeywoman who changed her last name? I didn't even know he played pro tennis. Lol.

lolwut? he made some finals and sfs in challengers in the last months..

anyways he's been the ex husband of jarmila gajdosova from 2009 to 2011, her coach is the infamous gavin hopper

Li Ching Yuen
05-09-2012, 09:36 AM
Olivetti never had one to go in at a world speed record. Plus he's barely played challengers.

Li Ching Yuen
05-09-2012, 09:37 AM
lolwut? he made some finals and sfs in challengers in the last months..

anyways he's been the ex husband of jarmila gajdosova from 2009 to 2011, her coach is the infamous gavin hopper

It's incredible how people still bother with that guy' posts.

Certinfy
05-09-2012, 09:44 AM
163mph? :help: :tape:

duong
05-09-2012, 09:51 AM
Olivetti never had one to go in at a world speed record. Plus he's barely played challengers.

http://www.welovetennis.fr/open-13/44988-olivetti-vise-les-251km-h

254 Segovia challenger

He was measured at 240 km/h during Marseilles tournament

moon language
05-09-2012, 09:52 AM
Where was it ?

I had read that Olivetti had also been measured quicker than Karlovic but being in a challenger the measure had not been officialized.

Busan

duong
05-09-2012, 10:04 AM
Thanks Moon Language :)

Anyway the problem is that the machines are not always reliable :shrug:

Audacity
05-09-2012, 10:11 AM
That smashes Karlovic's 156mph. I doubt this one was accurate. Though he has served 143mph at the Australian Open before...

scarecrows
05-09-2012, 10:12 AM
Thanks Moon Language :)

Anyway the problem is that the machines are not always reliable :shrug:

I still think the karlovic record serve was not that fast

Li Ching Yuen
05-09-2012, 10:31 AM
I still think the karlovic record serve was not that fast

No one sane really believes in that record.

The true record is 153mph from Roddick. I think both Groth and Olivetti are capable of taking it down.

el tenista
05-09-2012, 10:45 AM
The world record of Karlovic was a joke. Petzschner hit a normal backhand return! No one returns a 251 kph serve with ease. But Petzschner did it. So this record is nothing more than a joke.

Orka_n
05-09-2012, 11:24 AM
This is about as legit as Nadal's injury timeouts.

OH NO HE DIDN'T

Snowwy
05-09-2012, 11:34 AM
The world record of Karlovic was a joke. Petzschner hit a normal backhand return! No one returns a 251 kph serve with ease. But Petzschner did it. So this record is nothing more than a joke.

Just like a fastball in baseball, I would imagine its not that hard to return a very hard serve as long as it is within the striking zone. Placement is very important.

ossie
05-09-2012, 01:04 PM
The world record of Karlovic was a joke. Petzschner hit a normal backhand return! No one returns a 251 kph serve with ease. But Petzschner did it. So this record is nothing more than a joke.maybe petzschmug has one hell of an awesome backhand return

Mateya
05-09-2012, 01:36 PM
Petzscher is not called Picasso for nothing. :D

Seriously, I don't believe the Karlović record serve at 251 km/h. I saw it and can say it was in 230-240 km/h range.
And his second fastest serve that day wasn't even close to the "record".

Li Ching Yuen
05-12-2012, 01:16 PM
The record is official:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/05/Features/Groth-Fast-Serve.aspx

http://www.atpworldtour.com/~/media/0A33181E78584FDA8246003C8C1F75A5.ashx

scarecrows
05-12-2012, 01:19 PM
serve speed is now officially a joke

Certinfy
05-12-2012, 01:19 PM
"Groth hit two other serves recorded at 157.5 mph (253.5 kph) and 158.9 mph (255.7 kph) respectively in the same match."

Someone get Raonic, Isner and Karlovic on that very same court and see what they come up with please. I don't believe this for a second.

Kolya
05-12-2012, 01:19 PM
Aussie Sam Groth upped the pace at the ATP Challenger in Busan this week, firing some speedy serves in his second-round match, including one recorded at 163.4 mph (263 kph). http://bit.ly/LAAqtg Photo: Busan Challenger

BroTree123
05-12-2012, 01:20 PM
Raonic, please make 300 km/h to silence inferior serve bots.

Li Ching Yuen
05-12-2012, 01:21 PM
"Groth hit two other serves recorded at 157.5 mph (253.5 kph) and 158.9 mph (255.7 kph) respectively in the same match."

Someone get Raonic, Isner and Karlovic on that very same court and see what they come up with please. I don't believe this for a second.

Why are you talking since you don't even know the player?

Action Jackson
05-12-2012, 01:21 PM
Too bad he doesn't have the Grothawk anymore.

http://challengertennis.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ultimate-grothawk.jpg?w=640&h=853

Action Jackson
05-12-2012, 01:22 PM
"Groth hit two other serves recorded at 157.5 mph (253.5 kph) and 158.9 mph (255.7 kph) respectively in the same match."

Someone get Raonic, Isner and Karlovic on that very same court and see what they come up with please. I don't believe this for a second.

Why comment on a player you know absolutely zero about? Groth is all serve, that's the only reason he is on tour.

Certinfy
05-12-2012, 01:23 PM
Why are you talking since you don't even know the player?
Why comment on a player you know absolutely zero about? Groth is all serve, that's the only reason he is on tour.
I know he's all serve. But somewhat a coincidence this guy suddenly hits 3 serves in the same match all breaking the current record? I'll wait for him to achieve those speeds in another tournament and then see.

scarecrows
05-12-2012, 01:24 PM
Why comment on a player you know absolutely zero about? Groth is all serve, that's the only reason he is on tour.

he almost got broken from Becuzzi once

Action Jackson
05-12-2012, 01:25 PM
serve speed is now officially a joke

How is it. Groth has some serious heat on the serve, very low ball toss and fast arm.

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Action Jackson
05-12-2012, 01:25 PM
he almost got broken from Becuzzi once

Not good enough.

Li Ching Yuen
05-12-2012, 01:25 PM
So you're telling me this guy suddenly comes out of nowhere and hits 3 serves in the same match all breaking the current record? I'll wait for him to achieve those speeds in another tournament and then see.

Stop it, you're making yourself look like a clown. Groth has had other recorded serves over 150mph.

Action Jackson
05-12-2012, 01:30 PM
Stop it, you're making yourself look like a clown. Groth has had other recorded serves over 150mph.

Too late. Groth is known throughout the tour for the massive serve he has and not much else.

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Full match with Groth plenty examples of fast serves and this is just after comeback from shoulder surgery.

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Li Ching Yuen
05-12-2012, 01:32 PM
He has a 143mph at the Australian Open which is the slowest radar gun on the tour. Also the record at that slam.

Don't know if he's made the main draw at other big tournaments, and in that case it was probably on the outer courts.

BroTree123
05-12-2012, 01:33 PM
A true serve-bot. Groth makes Karlovic and Isner look like Federer.

Li Ching Yuen
05-12-2012, 01:36 PM
His first serve is quite pacey but the overall serve game is not that great.

mystic ice cube
05-12-2012, 01:49 PM
I too am on the fence with Ivo's supposedly record serve. Roddick's to me was a fucking monster of a thing. If this record is true then much credit - it smashes the WR.

romismak
05-12-2012, 02:34 PM
This is weird. I know this guy has big serve-one of fastest for sure, but in one match hit 3 WR, and totally beat previous WR- by 12kmh... even Ivoīs WR was suspicious.. but donīt want to talk about it now.

Thoswe radar guns, speed guns or what the name needs to be the same on every tournament - slams has other, ATP events has other, and definitely some challenger in Busan must have other... for example guy like RAonic is hitting much harder in San Jose than outdoors i am watchng speeds all the time - best is WTF in London where you can clearly see every serve speed - and Raonic has lower numbers on other tournaments than San Jose- but still Raonic is hitting 1st serve flat bombs- between 220-230kmh- he is clearly having fastest 1st serve consistently on the tour - so donīt tell mi there is guy who is hitting 260plus.....

Besides RAonic 155mph in San Jose ... what seems weird, because how i mentioned on other events Milos is in 220-230km all the time there are Olivetti, Bubka now Groth - who claimed on internet to hit harder than WR - Olivetti didnīt put IN 258km i think, Bubka said in Qualification 2011 in NA american MAsterst i think Canada open got 256 kmh and now Groth over 260....

Generally i can see that on slams serves are little bit slower than on other events, guys who are hitting 220-230 have on slams serves 210-220- so i believe slams have most accurate speed guns-radars.

So i want Raonic, Olivetti, Groth, Bubka to play some matches on slams in outdoor conditions to see how fast they can serve, but problem is besides Raonic neither of them will came close to play on slams on court with speed guns for people to see on slam website page....

Also much depends from balls, give those quick lighter balls from RG to RAonic in SAn Jose where he is hitting 140-150mph all the time, i am sure he will hit 160mph at least there too.

zdravkelja
05-12-2012, 02:58 PM
Looking at those videos, this record looks totally believable to me. Monster serves. Karlovic's didn't looked so fast.

LastRocket
05-12-2012, 03:18 PM
Congrats on world record :worship:

m9m9m9m9m9
05-12-2012, 04:02 PM
This is weird. I know this guy has big serve-one of fastest for sure, but in one match hit 3 WR, and totally beat previous WR- by 12kmh... even Ivoīs WR was suspicious.. but donīt want to talk about it now.

Thoswe radar guns, speed guns or what the name needs to be the same on every tournament - slams has other, ATP events has other, and definitely some challenger in Busan must have other... for example guy like RAonic is hitting much harder in San Jose than outdoors i am watchng speeds all the time - best is WTF in London where you can clearly see every serve speed - and Raonic has lower numbers on other tournaments than San Jose- but still Raonic is hitting 1st serve flat bombs- between 220-230kmh- he is clearly having fastest 1st serve consistently on the tour - so donīt tell mi there is guy who is hitting 260plus.....

Besides RAonic 155mph in San Jose ... what seems weird, because how i mentioned on other events Milos is in 220-230km all the time there are Olivetti, Bubka now Groth - who claimed on internet to hit harder than WR - Olivetti didnīt put IN 258km i think, Bubka said in Qualification 2011 in NA american MAsterst i think Canada open got 256 kmh and now Groth over 260....

Generally i can see that on slams serves are little bit slower than on other events, guys who are hitting 220-230 have on slams serves 210-220- so i believe slams have most accurate speed guns-radars.

So i want Raonic, Olivetti, Groth, Bubka to play some matches on slams in outdoor conditions to see how fast they can serve, but problem is besides Raonic neither of them will came close to play on slams on court with speed guns for people to see on slam website page....

Also much depends from balls, give those quick lighter balls from RG to RAonic in SAn Jose where he is hitting 140-150mph all the time, i am sure he will hit 160mph at least there too.

As far as I can recall, Groth played Mardy Fish at Aussie Open few years ago and his fastest serve was 143mph in 4 sets which makes me very hard to believe he can suddenly serve 20mph faster.
Anyway, those guys you mention probably has very close max serve speed. I would probably give a slight edge to Olivetti in terms of pure serve speed.

Li Ching Yuen
05-12-2012, 04:08 PM
As far as I can recall, Groth played Mardy Fish at Aussie Open few years ago and his fastest serve was 143mph in 4 sets which makes me very hard to believe he can suddenly serve 20mph faster.
Anyway, those guys you mention probably has very close max serve speed. I would probably give a slight edge to Olivetti in terms of pure serve speed.

143mph is the highest recorded serve speed in the history of the Australian Open.

MaxPower
05-12-2012, 04:20 PM
Seems legit to me. Aint that easy to fuck up radar guns anyway. What matters more is the conditions. In australia the humidity is high I think and that will slow the ball making a 150-160mph serve probably around 140.

The optimal spot to break serve records should be some high altitude, dry area. Less air resistance. Then use a small heavy ball with minimal fluff...

BodyServe
05-12-2012, 04:58 PM
"Groth hit two other serves recorded at 157.5 mph (253.5 kph) and 158.9 mph (255.7 kph) respectively in the same match."

Someone get Raonic, Isner and Karlovic on that very same court and see what they come up with please. I don't believe this for a second.

You would be surprised by the result, Groth hit 236 kph at the AO where guys you mentionned "only" reached 222-230 kph.


I know he's all serve. But somewhat a coincidence this guy suddenly hits 3 serves in the same match all breaking the current record? I'll wait for him to achieve those speeds in another tournament and then see.
Actually it proves the speed gun is somewhat consistent and it wasn't a fluke (false record) a la Karlovic.

Henry Chinaski
05-12-2012, 05:10 PM
it's not suspicious that groth could hold the record. He's obviously capable as the Australian Open record proves.

that he could smash the most credibly recorded speed (Roddick's 153) by a full 10mph is dodgy though. Even if we believe Ivo's DC serve, this still completely obliterates it.

if speed guns were consistent and reliable we'd see world records increasing in small increments like they do in athletics.

BodyServe
05-12-2012, 05:10 PM
Seems legit to me. Aint that easy to fuck up radar guns anyway. What matters more is the conditions. In australia the humidity is high I think and that will slow the ball making a 150-160mph serve probably around 140.

The optimal spot to break serve records should be some high altitude, dry area. Less air resistance. Then use a small heavy ball with minimal fluff...

It doesn't really matter, speed is taken at impact point...(unless you mean humidity hampers arm movement which i don't think it's what you mean).

This is weird. I know this guy has big serve-one of fastest for sure, but in one match hit 3 WR, and totally beat previous WR- by 12kmh... even Ivoīs WR was suspicious.. but donīt want to talk about it now.

Thoswe radar guns, speed guns or what the name needs to be the same on every tournament - slams has other, ATP events has other, and definitely some challenger in Busan must have other... for example guy like RAonic is hitting much harder in San Jose than outdoors i am watchng speeds all the time - best is WTF in London where you can clearly see every serve speed - and Raonic has lower numbers on other tournaments than San Jose- but still Raonic is hitting 1st serve flat bombs- between 220-230kmh- he is clearly having fastest 1st serve consistently on the tour - so donīt tell mi there is guy who is hitting 260plus.....

Besides RAonic 155mph in San Jose ... what seems weird, because how i mentioned on other events Milos is in 220-230km all the time there are Olivetti, Bubka now Groth - who claimed on internet to hit harder than WR - Olivetti didnīt put IN 258km i think, Bubka said in Qualification 2011 in NA american MAsterst i think Canada open got 256 kmh and now Groth over 260....

Generally i can see that on slams serves are little bit slower than on other events, guys who are hitting 220-230 have on slams serves 210-220- so i believe slams have most accurate speed guns-radars.

So i want Raonic, Olivetti, Groth, Bubka to play some matches on slams in outdoor conditions to see how fast they can serve, but problem is besides Raonic neither of them will came close to play on slams on court with speed guns for people to see on slam website page....

Also much depends from balls, give those quick lighter balls from RG to RAonic in SAn Jose where he is hitting 140-150mph all the time, i am sure he will hit 160mph at least there too.

I can understand your frustration, Groth 236 kph at AO 2010 (in qualifying), Raonic 230 kph at the AO last year, Bubka 141 mph at USO last year.
My guess is that Olivetti hit about the same as Raonic so about 230 kph.

This record makes sense imo, qualitatively not quantitatively mind you.

m9m9m9m9m9
05-12-2012, 05:48 PM
Olivetti vs Bubka in Bordeaux Challenger qualification right now. :)

Ibracadabra
05-12-2012, 05:54 PM
Seems legit.

romismak
05-12-2012, 08:17 PM
143mph is the highest recorded serve speed in the history of the Australian Open.

Actually i donīt think so.. on wikipedia Roddick has 148mph - AO record and i remember Roddick to serve a lot of 230kmh - 232 kmh i think at AO - AO vault in few matches- Raonic has 228kmh - 141mph - AO 2011, so Roddick only from AO vaults matches got 143mph too, not mentioning he played a lot of matches on main courts with speed guns over the years, how he made it deep in Melburne many times so that 148mph from Roddick on wikipedia seems to be right i think.

fast_clay
05-12-2012, 08:26 PM
anyone who has seen groth play knows this was never in doubt

LeChuck
05-12-2012, 08:37 PM
This record definately seems legit to me. Now the previous fastest ever serves, Karlovic's last year and Roddick's in 2004 were far more suspect with the notoriously dubious Davis Cup speed guns.

Li Ching Yuen
05-12-2012, 08:42 PM
It's surprising that Dent never caught one of these more generous radar guns while he played. I think he still holds the record for the fastest serves at 3 out 4 of the grand slams.

156mphserve
05-12-2012, 09:08 PM
haha i find it awfully strange that he suddenly breaks the record 3 times out of nowhere. Sure he has a monster serve, but to break it 3 times in 1 match when he wasn't really within 10 k of it in others seems odd.

He has a great serve though so maybe

jackjill888
05-12-2012, 10:01 PM
:woohoo: BRAVO Froth !!! I predict this guy gonna be world no.1 by year end out-serving the BIG 3 .

Clay Death
05-12-2012, 10:04 PM
did this really happen?

where was the radar gun made?

jackjill888
05-12-2012, 10:13 PM
did this really happen?

where was the radar gun made?

Froth brought his own gun. :worship:

Clay Death
05-12-2012, 10:19 PM
i see. so it was never the serve then.

it was the speed of the bullet from his gun.

all kidding aside, that is one hell of a speed on the serve. you can castrate somebody with that serve.

Ibracadabra
05-12-2012, 10:22 PM
Expect nadal to break this at the us open this coming summer. I hear uncle toni has a new batch of sugar injections for him.

jackjill888
05-12-2012, 10:28 PM
i see. so it was never the serve then.

it was the speed of the bullet from his gun.

all kidding aside, that is one hell of a speed on the serve. you can castrate somebody with that serve.

:worship: Yeah but Froth himself could have been killed if that serve was simply returned with same power but the other player might have hardly seen the ball at the other end.

cardio
05-13-2012, 10:49 AM
I have strong doubts with it, just like Iīm almost convinced that Karlovic record wasnt legit either. ( at least we have video about Karlos serve, which seemed to be very average )

1) these radar guns are not precise instruments checked and certified in physics lab and installed on court by lab specialists.They are for curiosity info only, they may be even more inaccurate than police radar guns.Take these guns into lab, check them and you will be very suprised with results.

2) Iīm sure Groth has big serve, but to trash old record by 12 km /h or by 4.7 % is unbelieveble. Do you even know how much it is improving old record by 4.7% ?

In long jump WR is 8.95. To improve it by 4.7 % means new record would be 9.37 ! Would you believe such a record if there even wasnt properly checked equipment to measure it ?

High jump WR is 2.45. "New" would be 2.56 !!! Would you believe it, especially if new record holder couldnt even brake 2.40 barrier before ? I wouldnt

2) Busan is big sea port, on sea level. Humid conditions, "heavy air " like players say. You would think new serve record is lot easier to brake in dry air, where ball travels very fast? There are lot of desert tournaments, tourneys in altitude, and big servers are pretty common nowadays.

I think this record is measuring mistake . And I personally couldnt care less who owns this record anyway, so Iīm not biased here . I also think Karlos old record was a mistake.

But if ATP wants to make this serve speed record official ( not just PR trick to promote the game ), they should provide proper equipment, checked in lab to every tournament and trained lab specialists should measure it. They dont allow random mugs to run hawk -eye system, there are specialists who install and are working with it.

So my suggestion is :

1) precise scientific measuremant of serve speed if ATP think this kind of records are important
2) if they are not properly measured by scientists, get rid of these "records" ! Surely they have better opportunities to promote the game

romismak
05-13-2012, 11:14 AM
I have strong doubts with it, just like Iīm almost convinced that Karlovic record wasnt legit either. ( at least we have video about Karlos serve, which seemed to be very average )

1) these radar guns are not precise instruments checked and certified in physics lab and installed on court by lab specialists.They are for curiosity info only, they may be even more inaccurate than police radar guns.Take these guns into lab, check them and you will be very suprised with results.

2) Iīm sure Groth has big serve, but to trash old record by 12 km /h or by 4.7 % is unbelieveble. Do you even know how much it is improving old record by 4.7% ?

In long jump WR is 8.95. To improve it by 4.7 % means new record would be 9.37 ! Would you believe such a record if there even wasnt properly checked equipment to measure it ?

High jump WR is 2.45. "New" would be 2.56 !!! Would you believe it, especially if new record holder couldnt even brake 2.40 barrier before ? I wouldnt

2) Busan is big sea port, on sea level. Humid conditions, "heavy air " like players say. You would think new serve record is lot easier to brake in dry air, where ball travels very fast? There are lot of desert tournaments, tourneys in altitude, and big servers are pretty common nowadays.

I think this record is measuring mistake . And I personally couldnt care less who owns this record anyway, so Iīm not biased here . I also think Karlos old record was a mistake.

But if ATP wants to make this serve speed record official ( not just PR trick to promote the game ), they should provide proper equipment, checked in lab to every tournament and trained lab specialists should measure it. They dont allow random mugs to run hawk -eye system, there are specialists who install and are working with it.

So my suggestion is :

1) precise scientific measuremant of serve speed if ATP think this kind of records are important
2) if they are not properly measured by scientists, get rid of these "records" ! Surely they have better opportunities to promote the game

Pretty much agree with your post, i also was smiling that he broke that record in City on coast - seaport how you mentioned, where generally air resistance should be harder and ball should fly slower through air.

Also Groth - one of fastest serve yes, but it is not like he didnīt played for 2 years and suddenly he came and totally trash the record- he is normally playing this season, last season matches not on main ATP world tour but he has played some challengers at least and if he really has such superfast serve he would be already holding WR with say 252-253 or something like that, but he didnīt have such numbers and suddenly he totally trashed old record and 3x broke old - which was suspisiious.

bjurra
05-13-2012, 12:52 PM
The speed gun in Barcelona on court 1 had basically everyone serving above 210 kmh, even players who just put the ball into play. The instruments used by ATP are either crap or not installed properly.

BodyServe
05-13-2012, 01:04 PM
The speed gun in Barcelona on court 1 had basically everyone serving above 210 kmh, even players who just put the ball into play. The instruments used by ATP are either crap or not installed properly.

I suspect it was the same generous speed gun used at Busan challenger but still qualitatively i think Groth has the fastest serve (with Dent that is...)

Mateya
05-13-2012, 01:30 PM
Still not a believer. The reasons are mentioned above.

I estimate the record to be around 250km/h and even that is a bit generous.

Li Ching Yuen
05-13-2012, 02:09 PM
I think people are bitching about this rather aimlessly. The important thing is that he got the record, the speed is sort of irrelevant. It's not like the previous records were 100% accurate as far as speed is concerned.

Having Karlovic with the record for fastest serve in the same era with Dent, Roddick, Raonic, Groth etc would've been something to rise against, if anything.

RyanKP
05-14-2012, 02:09 PM
Here's Frederik Nielsen's perspective on the whole thing. He was in Busan, and makes a great point about the value of a lower ranked guy holding a record like this. http://bit.ly/JaGZzt

Ilovetheblues_86
05-14-2012, 03:19 PM
Frederik Nielsen is better than 99% of MTF posters :lol:

bjurra
05-14-2012, 03:43 PM
Frederik Nielsen is better than 99% of MTF posters :lol:

He thinks people just don't trust the Challenger tour and don't give it enough credit.

In my case that is not true, I don't trust the ATP speed guns either.

duchuy89
05-14-2012, 04:39 PM
What. 263km/h. Oh my God.

Roddickominator
05-15-2012, 04:20 AM
I'll lump this in with other silly shots like Monfils' "120+ mph forehand".

I'd believe this guy hitting a 155+ mph serve way before i'd believe Karlovic doing it....but get real, breaking the serve record 3 times in one match all of the sudden is suspect at best. The gun had to have been juiced.

TennisGrandSlam
05-15-2012, 09:04 AM
Big-server era will come to ATP tour?

BodyServe
01-18-2013, 10:47 AM
Served 238 kph today on what is a not so generous speed gun. This the fastest serve ever at the Australian Open, maybe 263 is generous but at least the right guy has the record, not Karlovic (who couldn't even break 215 kph the same year as his "record").

Adri89
01-18-2013, 12:24 PM
I remember a year (i just checked it was in 2007), Ferrer's serve was flashed at 244 km/h at... the FO ! The same year in the same tournament Hernandez's fastest serve of the tournament would have been 237... So if in a GS, you can have this kind of problem to measure the service's speed...

BodyServe
01-23-2015, 05:19 PM
Looks like we have a new biggest server on tour:

JFCh2makIV8

Copil :worship:

philosophicalarf
01-23-2015, 07:24 PM
There was a 227 from Baghdatis this morning, according to the on-court speedgun display.

Total nonsense though, was just an average flat serve. Interesting that the official stats discarded it, and have his fastest at 214:
http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/scores/stats/day10/1314ms.html

romismak
01-23-2015, 07:27 PM
Looks like we have a new biggest server on tour:

JFCh2makIV8

Copil :worship:

I was watching Copilīs match and i was surprised already in his 1st service game he hit 240kph - but it was long not recorded, but i always check those speed radars - it was weird, Copil is big server but as big, Groth himself didn īt hit more that that this AO and played 3 matches and Groth is hardest hitting server on the tour, Copil is more in 220+ something area, possibly up to 230, but no way he starts match with Stan and hitting serves 225-240 like nothing

BodyServe
01-23-2015, 07:43 PM
Looks legit to me, really looks extremely fast to me. It wasn't a one of he hit something like ten serves over 235 kph and his average down the T was 233!
This is quite amazing as Copil isn't overly tall and not as big as Groth, he is like a normal guy but has amazing biomechanics, he could have been a javelin thrower really.

If he play on that Busan challenger with juiced speed guns we could have a new world record holder.

romismak
01-23-2015, 08:00 PM
Looks legit to me, really looks extremely fast to me. It wasn't a one of he hit something like ten serves over 235 kph and his average down the T was 233!
This is quite amazing as Copil isn't overly tall and not as big as Groth, he is like a normal guy but has amazing biomechanics, he could have been a javelin thrower really.

If he play on that Busan challenger with juiced speed guns we could have a new world record holder.

It seems fast but i donīt believe, how you said he hit many over 230kph and over 230 only Groth hits - Brisbane, AO and so on , I have seen Copil in few matches on main tour and he never had such number donīt know, we must wait for him to play at Wimbledon vs some high ranked guy so those numbers will be in stats, Wimbledon are always - lower speed numbers for big servers so i will wait for his numbers, anyway this is just another proove about Grothīs serve, i mean he played 3 full matches here and his fastest is what 238? so that 263 is joke for anyone who has some idea about speeds of top servers in the game

BodyServe
01-23-2015, 08:53 PM
It seems fast but i donīt believe, how you said he hit many over 230kph and over 230 only Groth hits - Brisbane, AO and so on , I have seen Copil in few matches on main tour and he never had such number donīt know, we must wait for him to play at Wimbledon vs some high ranked guy so those numbers will be in stats, Wimbledon are always - lower speed numbers for big servers so i will wait for his numbers, anyway this is just another proove about Grothīs serve, i mean he played 3 full matches here and his fastest is what 238? so that 263 is joke for anyone who has some idea about speeds of top servers in the game

AO speed guns has always led to pretty low speeds too. Raonic, Janowicz aren't hitting 230+ here. I think Copil is a freak, a bit like early Roddick.
This was the 1st time Copil played in a slam where we can see his serves speed, he will have to improve his ranking if we want to see more of him at slams!

romismak
01-23-2015, 09:31 PM
AO speed guns has always led to pretty low speeds too. Raonic, Janowicz aren't hitting 230+ here. I think Copil is a freak, a bit like early Roddick.
This was the 1st time Copil played in a slam where we can see his serves speed, he will have to improve his ranking if we want to see more of him at slams!

Yes AO over the years had Raonic, Roddick and those guys as fastest at 230 or something above it, than last year i think Groth hit 237 not sure - clearly higher then other biggest servers like Raonic, JJ and others

I honestly doubt this Copilīs numbers, i have seen him play-serve few matches where were visible speed guns - i always check speed of serves - itīs my habbit and honestly i never saw him hit 230+ regularly like vs Wawrinka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nqoR50qY

Here is link last year Brisbane vs Hewitt, just checked only 1st serves - it can take you maybe 10 min if you are smart and can look only for serves like 1st serve skip 15 secs and so on speed gun is very visible in left side - 225 seems to be his hardest serve, than 224, few 220, a lot of 219 and 209, 213 - so regularly in that area 205-220 if hit flat bomb on T or bomb from AD court out wide at this same event Groth i believed was serving harder - last year i checked his Brisbane matches too - i am sure he had multiple serves over 230 and 220+ all the time when hits flat and was waiting for his numbers for AO last year


About AO - generally slams have lower numbers than other evens, like Memphis, San Jose, even Canada - Milos once hit 252 i think in Canada and all the time he is normally 220-230, up to 235kph, but slams if you check always Raonic, Janowicz around 230 something fastest, Groth hits 5-8kph harder his top serves and Copil is honestly even under Milos it seems in term of raw power flat bombs, we must wait for him to play other big events, best would be slams so we can compare if he hits those 240, 240+ at Wimby, USO and so on

BodyServe
01-24-2015, 02:28 PM
Yes AO over the years had Raonic, Roddick and those guys as fastest at 230 or something above it, than last year i think Groth hit 237 not sure - clearly higher then other biggest servers like Raonic, JJ and others

I honestly doubt this Copilīs numbers, i have seen him play-serve few matches where were visible speed guns - i always check speed of serves - itīs my habbit and honestly i never saw him hit 230+ regularly like vs Wawrinka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nqoR50qY

Here is link last year Brisbane vs Hewitt, just checked only 1st serves - it can take you maybe 10 min if you are smart and can look only for serves like 1st serve skip 15 secs and so on speed gun is very visible in left side - 225 seems to be his hardest serve, than 224, few 220, a lot of 219 and 209, 213 - so regularly in that area 205-220 if hit flat bomb on T or bomb from AD court out wide at this same event Groth i believed was serving harder - last year i checked his Brisbane matches too - i am sure he had multiple serves over 230 and 220+ all the time when hits flat and was waiting for his numbers for AO last year


About AO - generally slams have lower numbers than other evens, like Memphis, San Jose, even Canada - Milos once hit 252 i think in Canada and all the time he is normally 220-230, up to 235kph, but slams if you check always Raonic, Janowicz around 230 something fastest, Groth hits 5-8kph harder his top serves and Copil is honestly even under Milos it seems in term of raw power flat bombs, we must wait for him to play other big events, best would be slams so we can compare if he hits those 240, 240+ at Wimby, USO and so on

Why would they give Copil higher numbers? Raonic played on that same court that day and only got 226. I remember you doubted when i said Groth had the biggest serve on tour something like 3 years ago, you should really download the Copil and Groth matches at this AO, i had a good look at the Copil's serve, i really think his serve is even bigger than Groth. At the beginning of the 2nd set there was a 240 kph serve from Copil which went right through Wawrinka.

It's really a shame Bubka fell from the floor at the hotel, i think without his injury he would have been another one to challenge the record which i agree with you, 263 kph is a joke speed.

romismak
01-24-2015, 09:16 PM
Why would they give Copil higher numbers? Raonic played on that same court that day and only got 226. I remember you doubted when i said Groth had the biggest serve on tour something like 3 years ago, you should really download the Copil and Groth matches at this AO, i had a good look at the Copil's serve, i really think his serve is even bigger than Groth. At the beginning of the 2nd set there was a 240 kph serve from Copil which went right through Wawrinka.

It's really a shame Bubka fell from the floor at the hotel, i think without his injury he would have been another one to challenge the record which i agree with you, 263 kph is a joke speed.

I donīt know Simon has fastest 227 at this AO, and Jerzy and Milos what 226, 228 ? itīs weird, i am not saying Copil is not serving big just saw few his matches in last 2 years, and how i said i always check speed guns and never saw him hit so hard, also remember his Cilic match in Beijing i think 2012 it was, Groth always had fast serve i just never believed in his record - which is obviously joke everyone knows his 263 or what was it is not real thatīs all, just like i doubted Ivoīs record from Davis cup, when Ivo was barely hitting over 220 back than, i honestly believe that they use quality machines - but itīs machine there can be software error whatever so just want to wait for Copil to hit hard again - there is chance he improoved his serve - speed wise-velocity over off season but i doubt there is such improovemen t- 10-15kph. Bubka i don īt even know where he is now, struggling in challengers?:D btw Olivetti based on ATP page is out since Wimbledon last year donīt know what is with him? would love to see him too on main courts at slam with official speed guns