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Federer doubtful for Masters Cup

mitalidas
10-26-2004, 09:26 PM
among the worst pieces of news yet, this year.
not 100%, but horrible nevertheless


This is a big blow for me," said Federer, winner of three Grand Slam titles this season.

"I hope I can play in Houston but I don't know. I know it will be very tight, very difficult and I don't want to take too much risk."

Federer was due to play in the Swiss Indoors in his hometown Basel but suffered the injury during practice on Monday.

"It's a huge, huge disappointment for me, obviously," said Federer. "I've been to this tournament many, many times both as a player and a ballboy.

"I really thought I had a big chance to win this year."

The 23-year-old has been told by doctors to rest for 10 to 14 days, meaning he is almost certain to miss next week's Paris Masters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/3956873.stm

jazz_girl
10-26-2004, 09:34 PM
Poor Roger :sad:

RonE
10-26-2004, 09:39 PM
I am just thinknig it is a good thing he had clinched #1 with that USO win. Otherwise it really would be :eek:

Roger has to listen to his body and his doctors- it is more important to recover, rest and get ready for next year than to go out and unnecessarily bust a gut at this point.

mitalidas
10-26-2004, 09:43 PM
i agree. i feel terrible, and i can only imagine how he feels

I guess I'd rather see him recuperate and win the AO, even though I was hoping he could do his spectacular thing at the TMC :(

roisin
10-26-2004, 09:48 PM
yeah what if he hadnt already clinched year end number 1?? that would be such an injustice! i hope he can play. it wouldnt b right without him.

Denise
10-26-2004, 09:52 PM
really?! maybe roggi won't play MC?! unbelivable!! :eek: :eek:

Socket
10-26-2004, 10:18 PM
There's no way anybody could have played his schedule this year, and not risked some injury. There is where lacking a coach might be hurting Roger, because nobody seems to be advising him on scheduling.

Ginger
10-26-2004, 10:22 PM
A more optimistic point of view... from Roger's website homepage : "Roger’s participation at the Masters in Houston does not seem to be at risk, “I even hope to be able to play again in Paris already” he said in the evening."

We'll have to wait and see...

Bilbo
10-26-2004, 10:24 PM
Masters Cup will be more interesting without Federer I think.

|-Safin_Coria-|
10-26-2004, 10:27 PM
Masters Cup will be more interesting without Federer I think.
i agree...but i still feel bad for him

Ginger
10-26-2004, 10:33 PM
Masters Cup will be more interesting without Federer I think.
No. TMC would be more interesting with all the top players in full shape playing at their best. And who knows... finally someone will be able to beat a Federer playing at his best...

roisin
10-26-2004, 10:34 PM
hmmm doubt it somehow.

jtipson
10-26-2004, 10:36 PM
I think you both (Bilbo and Safin_Coria, that is) made a mistake there, you wrote "more" when you meant "less". ;)

Seriously though, how can the end of season finale be *more* interesting when the player who has been the most outstanding all year is not there?

the cat
10-26-2004, 10:54 PM
If Roger has a muscle tear in his left thigh how can it heal in 10 to 14 days? That doesn't seem humanly possible. This is sad news for tennis and the tournament in Basel. :(

Bilbo
10-26-2004, 10:57 PM
And who knows... finally someone will be able to beat a Federer playing at his best...

NO and this is why I meant it is more interesting without Federer.

alfonsojose
10-26-2004, 11:19 PM
I don't want to be rude but ... Roger, what the hell were u and Roddick doing at Thailand? :rolleyes: you didn't rest at all and u on't need the money. Learn, kids :shrug:

jtipson
10-26-2004, 11:20 PM
NO and this is why I meant it is more interesting without Federer.

I'm still not clear on that. So you think it is better that someone wins the year ending champs without having to beat the best player on the planet?

WyveN
10-26-2004, 11:23 PM
There's no way anybody could have played his schedule this year, and not risked some injury. There is where lacking a coach might be hurting Roger, because nobody seems to be advising him on scheduling.

What was wrong with Rogers scheduling?
He has only played 5 optional events, far less then just about everyone. The main problem was winning to much.

jtipson
10-26-2004, 11:27 PM
What was wrong with Rogers scheduling?
He has only played 5 optional events, far less then just about everyone.

He still seems to schedule quite a lot (Basel would have been the seventh he has played this year, and he originally intended to be at Marseille as well before he withdrew with injury there).

But then I guess he may not have figured that he would win 3 GS and 3 TMS this year. Probably will be pruned again for 2005.

alfonsojose
10-26-2004, 11:38 PM
Masters Cup will be more interesting without Federer I think.
I understand your point of view. Roger supremacy is really :zzz: sometimes. I think Houston was ready to become "Roger and the seven dwarfs". C'mon guys, we all know Lleyton, Andy, Gaston, half-Coria and half-Moya can't do anything against a healthy JesusFed. And i think Safin, Agassi and Nalbadian are going to arrive burn-out at TMC.

Neely
10-26-2004, 11:46 PM
It's bad for Roger himself and especially for the fans who wanted to see him this week in Basel and for his home tournament as a tournament always lives by star players, especially home country players.

I'm not trying to offend anybody, but I'm still going to tell you the upright truth what I'm thinking: I would feel more sorry for the other Masters Cup contenders if one of them had to miss the Masters Cup due to injury. They all played a good season to be ranked so high, but with the difference that they weren't blessed with so many Grand Slams or other big titles like Roger this year, all the years before and winning the Masters Cup the previous year already. So for me, personally, it would be a bigger blow if Nalbandian, Henman, Safin, Roddick, Coria, Hewitt etc. had to miss this end of the season highlight.

england_rules
10-27-2004, 12:50 AM
They should cancel this the MC if he doesn't play because he IS men's tennis right now!

Deboogle!.
10-27-2004, 01:04 AM
Neely, I know what you mean.. it's kinda hard to feel bad for a guy with 3 slams and 10 titles and a complete windfall lock on the #1 spot :lol:

superpinkone37
10-27-2004, 01:06 AM
:eek: wow.....poor roger though. but like some of you have said, it is kinda hard to feel too too sorry for him, 3 GS this year and a total lock on the number one spot

Havok
10-27-2004, 01:07 AM
How is he saying he's hoping to play Paris? Roger better not be dumb and try to play it, he'll fuck up his health/body. Just rest up.

WyveN
10-27-2004, 01:12 AM
Neely, I know what you mean.. it's kinda hard to feel bad for a guy with 3 slams and 10 titles and a complete windfall lock on the #1 spot :lol:

By that logic it is hard to feel bad when Hewitt, Roddick, Safin etc are out injured when someone else worked/trained just as hard as them yet is ranked #50 and has not had a tenth of the success those guys did.
Its all relative.

WyveN
10-27-2004, 01:15 AM
I don't want to be rude but ... Roger, what the hell were u and Roddick doing at Thailand? :rolleyes: you didn't rest at all and u on't need the money. Learn, kids :shrug:

They got paid a huge unofficial amount of money, why do you think Safin, Roddick and Federer (they tried to get Agassi as well) turned up while there were virtually no other top 20 players there.

RogiFan88
10-27-2004, 01:25 AM
I wasn't too happy when I found out that Rogi was playing Bangkok and now his injury before he even played his home journey has prevented him fr winning it... I thought he s forget about Bangkok [too late now] or even crap out of it, then play Madrid and Basel and skip Paris before the TMC.

I'm sad about it alright... what a terrible way to end his brilliant year... but it was bound to happen...

Roger-No.1
10-27-2004, 01:27 AM
ATP and its tournaments want Asian money. The players are encouraged to be there.

And I agree, it would be dumb to have a Masters Cup without the No. 1 player. The whole idea of Top 8 becomes useless. And that affects its meaning and raison d'etre.

Roger-No.1
10-27-2004, 01:32 AM
Neely, I know what you mean.. it's kinda hard to feel bad for a guy with 3 slams and 10 titles and a complete windfall lock on the #1 spot :lol:

Yeah, why should we care about top 10 players that win a lot of money? I'll have to remember that when I meet Top 50 players....

Roger-No.1
10-27-2004, 01:41 AM
I'm not trying to offend anybody, but I'm still going to tell you the upright truth what I'm thinking: I would feel more sorry for the other

Neely, do you know what empathy is? Would you be happy to see Nicolas injured?

So, if Nicolas starts winning, you're going to start punishing him?

For winning titles?

Something that players are encouraged to do?

You don't make sense.

You're not offending anyone. It's just illogical to see.

Roger-No.1
10-27-2004, 01:48 AM
will be more interesting without Federer I think.

try thinking that in 5 years.

It's not Federer's fault you have your personal reasons against him.

Roger-No.1
10-27-2004, 01:54 AM
it is kinda hard to feel too too sorry for him, 3 GS this year and a total lock on the number one spot

Yeah, perhaps that's why we live in a Capitalist system, NOT in a Communist one.

A system that recognizes achievements and rewards them....

And doesn't let a person's jealousy use achievements to affect a player's status. A player who works hard to succeed.

Havok
10-27-2004, 02:36 AM
ATP and its tournaments want Asian money. The players are encouraged to be there.

And I agree, it would be dumb to have a Masters Cup without the No. 1 player. The whole idea of Top 8 becomes useless. And that affects its meaning and raison d'etre.
It's not Roger's decision to just not show up at the TMC. He's injured, that's why there's a possibility of him not playing it. The whole point of the TMC is having the best 8 people quailfy, baring any injuries. Well this year it looks like we do have an injury (Coria) and possibly a second with Federer. These things happen, they can't really be prevented. Same thing on the WTA, Justine isn't able to play the YEC because she stopped playing after the USO I believe.

Chloe le Bopper
10-27-2004, 02:40 AM
Moya is also injured and won't play until Houston, if he plays Houston. Unless something has changed since the last article that I read.

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 03:08 AM
Yeah, perhaps that's why we live in a Capitalist system, NOT in a Communist one.

A system that recognizes achievements and rewards them....

And doesn't let a person's jealousy use achievements to affect a player's status. A player who works hard to succeed.

Bad news, actually it's terrible.
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

Well said Roger-no.1, even though communist system is more about contribution not competition. Jealousy simply is inhabited inside individuals across different political/socail systems.

Roger-No.1
10-27-2004, 03:22 AM
It's not Roger's decision to just not show up at the TMC.

Excatly. A player's injury is not enough for exposing a "not-so sorry" feeling out of jealousy. Expecially with someone who has become legendary and is breaking records.

If someone chose not to support a player, it's not the player's fault

3,000 points of difference between Roger and Hewitt/Roddick make him an unprecented No. 1

A No. 1 who deserves all the support to be there, because he's working to be there.

At WTA, Justine is not even No. 1. Lindsay is.

Wishing/having a TMC without him takes the meaning out of it.

Roger-No.1
10-27-2004, 03:26 AM
Well said Roger-no.1, even though communist system is more about contribution not competition. Jealousy simply is inhabited inside individuals across different political/socail systems.

Yeah, jealousy brings the worst in a person.... and it crosses political and social boundaries. You're completely right.

makro120
10-27-2004, 03:30 AM
I don't think Houston is more interesting just because the 7 dwarves as someone called them can go and win. Whoever wins the tournament it wouldn't mean anything. I would atleast loose some of my interest for that tournament.

Roger-No.1
10-27-2004, 03:39 AM
Whoever wins the tournament it wouldn't mean anything. I would at least lose some of my interest for that tournament.

Yeah, and that feeling is shared by more fans. A feeling that surpasses jealousy.

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 07:30 AM
It's bad for Roger himself and especially for the fans who wanted to see him this week in Basel and for his home tournament as a tournament always lives by star players, especially home country players.

I'm not trying to offend anybody, but I'm still going to tell you the upright truth what I'm thinking: I would feel more sorry for the other Masters Cup contenders if one of them had to miss the Masters Cup due to injury. They all played a good season to be ranked so high, but with the difference that they weren't blessed with so many Grand Slams or other big titles like Roger this year, all the years before and winning the Masters Cup the previous year already. So for me, personally, it would be a bigger blow if Nalbandian, Henman, Safin, Roddick, Coria, Hewitt etc. had to miss this end of the season highlight.

It's not as easy as what you said Roger's just "blessed " with those titles. Wining grand slams and other big titles, all these didn't come overnight for Roger, even for someone with loads of talent like him, he has been working very hard for years and heearned it! I understand people tend to sympathize other talented yet not so sucessful players. But why this has to come into a way at the expense of Roger's misfortune? :o

The fact is if MC miss the competition from the current best player , the cup itself losts luster and whomever wins it , is less convincing.

It's simple as that.

coriafan01
10-27-2004, 07:43 AM
He is human after all....

coriafan01
10-27-2004, 07:47 AM
If someone gets injured...oh well...he gets injured...life goes on...no drama. Whoever wins..will deserve it. With or without Roger and that applies to everybody. However, we dont know yet what will happen.

coriafan01
10-27-2004, 07:55 AM
Roger's peak has been amazing - He is a great player and an a good person. He might need to rest - and that's not such a big deal. Will take away the flavour and challenge. The other guys are competitors and want to beat Roger on a tennis court. But the money is sweet - that's the only reason - someone would want him out.

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 07:56 AM
If someone gets injured...oh well...he gets injured...life goes on...no drama. Whoever wins..will deserve it. With or without Roger and that applies to everybody. However, we dont know yet what will happen.

yeah, he will deserve it. But it doesn't make it less convincing get MC not to defeat current best player.

*Ljubica*
10-27-2004, 07:57 AM
It's not as easy as what you said Roger's just "blessed " with those titles. Wining grand slams and other big titles, all these didn't come overnight for Roger, even for someone with loads of talent like him, he has been working very hard for years and heearned it! I understand people tend to sympathize other talented yet not so sucessful players. But why this has to come into a way at the expense of Roger's misfortune? :o

The fact is if MC miss the competition from the current best player , the cup itself losts luster and whomever wins it , is less convincing.

It's simple as that.

Excellent points and I totally agree with every word federer_roar. As a Nalbandian fan I could see my favourite player benefit from Roger's possible wthdrawal from Houston, but I don't want David to get in "through the back door" like that, and I agree that winning the TMC won't mean so much this year without the undoubted world Number 1 taking part.

merle
10-27-2004, 07:59 AM
One thing I don't understand if you REALLY know tennis (and are not blind-crazy fans of someone) - how in the world can it be ever boring to watch Fed play? :rolleyes: Can someone explain it to me? And it's not like he is gonna win forever.... or winning every single tournament there is..... he just can't play in every tournament there is. ;)

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 08:28 AM
Sorry merle, i misunderstand your post just now. I have deleted my post that responded to you. :p

Argentine girl
10-27-2004, 08:28 AM
The fact is if MC miss the competition from the current best player , the cup itself losts luster and whomever wins it , is less convincing.

Master Series in Madrid didn't have top three players. I didn't hear anyone said that Safin is less convincing.
I understand that it will be very difficult for Fedex Fan Club if Federer can't play in TMC. Whoever that is going to win TMC, I think he deserve that.

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 08:30 AM
Master Series in Madrid didn't have top three players. I didn't hear anyone said that Safin is less convincing.
I understand that it will be very difficult for Fedex Fan Club if Federer can't play in TMC. Whoever that is going to win TMC, I think he deserve that.

TMS madrid is a big event. But I don't think it means the same as year end TMC.

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 08:37 AM
Excellent points and I totally agree with every word federer_roar. As a Nalbandian fan I could see my favourite player benefit from Roger's possible wthdrawal from Houston, but I don't want David to get in "through the back door" like that, and I agree that winning the TMC won't mean so much this year without the undoubted world Number 1 taking part.

Good news! My english is not totally incomprehensible... :p

Black Adam
10-27-2004, 08:44 AM
do not worry federer will make it to houston......... the real question is whether he will be 100% fit ............... it will be bad if he plays not being totaly fit and finds his ass being kicked about guys like gaudio. :eek: :eek:

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 08:48 AM
do not worry federer will make it to houston......... the real question is whether he will be 100% fit ............... it will be bad if he plays not being totaly fit and finds his ass being kicked about guys like gaudio. :eek: :eek:

He can't always win. Nobody can do that.

Personally I feel his fitness is more important than winning matches.

Boludo
10-27-2004, 08:53 AM
Master Series in Madrid didn't have top three players. I didn't hear anyone said that Safin is less convincing.
I understand that it will be very difficult for Fedex Fan Club if Federer can't play in TMC. Whoever that is going to win TMC, I think he deserve that.

Major difference TMS should have the best 8 players Madrid has 48 therein lies the difference.

Boludo
10-27-2004, 08:55 AM
do not worry federer will make it to houston......... the real question is whether he will be 100% fit ............... it will be bad if he plays not being totaly fit and finds his ass being kicked about guys like gaudio. :eek: :eek:

With an ill-informed statement like that, then it must be very clear that you have never seen a Federer/Gaudio match then at all.

If you had then you wouldn't be making stupid remarks like that, actually Gaudio's matches have overall been closer than Federer vs Roddick ones, and the way Roddick took advantage to get his only win against Roger was exactly the same way that Federer managed to beat Gaston twice and one of them was on a hardcourt.

babsi
10-27-2004, 08:56 AM
Nice job Roger-No.1 and federer-roar!
Dito to every word you wrote!

federer-roar,your english is great :) -never mind a few mistakes,I don´t

Boludo
10-27-2004, 08:58 AM
One thing I don't understand if you REALLY know tennis (and are not blind-crazy fans of someone) - how in the world can it be ever boring to watch Fed play? :rolleyes: Can someone explain it to me? And it's not like he is gonna win forever.... or winning every single tournament there is..... he just can't play in every tournament there is. ;)

That's so true, then when Rogi loses a match it's the end of the world, he is burnt out, he needs a coach and all the excuses come out and yes I am a Federer fan.

People whine about domination, but if it was their favourite player I sincerely doubt that the whining would continue on.

Ferrero Forever
10-27-2004, 09:05 AM
No, this is really bad!!! he deserves to play, he's worked so hard for it, but just so long as he recovers it's fine.

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 09:05 AM
Nice job Roger-No.1 and federer-roar!
Dito to every word you wrote!

federer-roar,your english is great :) -never mind a few mistakes,I don´t :) :bigwave:

^Sue^
10-27-2004, 09:40 AM
Roger stated that he'll recover soon for Houston, maybe he'll miss the TMS PARIS....

Neely
10-27-2004, 09:57 AM
Neely, do you know what empathy is? Would you be happy to see Nicolas injured?

So, if Nicolas starts winning, you're going to start punishing him?

For winning titles?

Something that players are encouraged to do?

You don't make sense.

You're not offending anyone. It's just illogical to see.
No, of course I'm not happy that Kiefer is injured.
Yes, I know what empathy is. Read the other parts of my post that you have quoted and I hope you will get it when I was saying that I feel sorry for Roger and his fans.
No, of course I'm not "punishing" Roger. How should I?!

Sad to hear that I don't make sense to you :sad: Basically I was just saying that Roger already had a HELL of a year this season with all his wins and because I also like other players I would feel more sorry for them if one of them had to miss the Masters Cup due to injury because I also want a few highlights for them and Roger got all of them either last year by winning the Masters Cup or this season.

And that's why I'm saying "more sorry".

But this doesn't mean that I love injuries and that it is good for tennis if the best player of the season misses the Master Cup.

Black Adam
10-27-2004, 10:10 AM
With an ill-informed statement like that, then it must be very clear that you have never seen a Federer/Gaudio match then at all.

If you had then you wouldn't be making stupid remarks like that, actually Gaudio's matches have overall been closer than Federer vs Roddick ones, and the way Roddick took advantage to get his only win against Roger was exactly the same way that Federer managed to beat Gaston twice and one of them was on a hardcourt.

I think you didn't get my point....... Federer can win or lose against Gaudio( i have no problem with that: by the way i have nothin against Gaudio )...... my point is i wonder if he should play in a TMC not at his best bacause he risks having very disappointing results . How do you think Roger including other ppl would take in the fact that Roger showed up in Houston and lost his three matches without winning a set....??? everbody would be wondering why he bothered to play when he was unable to defend his title not in his best form. I think his health is more important at this moment.

All the same it would be very unfair to hold the MC without the number one who has had such a great season .... hopefully he will be fit in time.

^Sue^
10-27-2004, 10:21 AM
i feel extremely dissapointed....

Action Jackson
10-27-2004, 10:21 AM
TGS, you mightn't have meant to disrepect Gaudio at all, but the initial post does come across that way.

Well nearly everyone except for a very special few want to see Roger playing without injury problems, and if that means he misses Houston, then that's accepted. He has nothing to prove for this year and everyone knows he is # 1 of the year.

It's just if he doesn't play, then whoever wins the tournament their achievement will be discredited. Roger is not a fool at all, if he is fit, then he'll play, if not he won't.

^Sue^
10-27-2004, 10:36 AM
Guys according to Federer's official site, Roger will surely play in TMC!

federer_roar
10-27-2004, 12:09 PM
No, of course I'm not happy that Kiefer is injured.
Yes, I know what empathy is. Read the other parts of my post that you have quoted and I hope you will get it when I was saying that I feel sorry for Roger and his fans.
No, of course I'm not "punishing" Roger. How should I?!

Sad to hear that I don't make sense to you :sad: Basically I was just saying that Roger already had a HELL of a year this season with all his wins and because I also like other players I would feel more sorry for them if one of them had to miss the Masters Cup due to injury because I also want a few highlights for them and Roger got all of them either last year by winning the Masters Cup or this season.

And that's why I'm saying "more sorry".

But this doesn't mean that I love injuries and that it is good for tennis if the best player of the season misses the Master Cup.

It doesn't sound like your original post.

Anyway why you have to feel "sad" only because someone commented what you said make no sense ? Isn't just a matter of personal opinion? Or is it because only by imagining your beloved players injury can you switch on the blue empathy button? ;)

Daniel
10-28-2004, 12:01 PM
I am sure Roger will play Houston only if he is healthy and thinks he has a good chance of winning the title :)

Vass
10-28-2004, 12:13 PM
I'm thinking he'll play houston, but nothing before it.

RPH
10-28-2004, 02:36 PM
Roger :sad:

I bet that man who organises Houston McIdiot or something is praying Roger stays injured so Andy and Andre can win :devil:

Lets hope that doesn't happen cos his attitude pissed me and the foreign players off :o

1NightStandsRule
10-28-2004, 02:38 PM
Jim will be hoping that Federer stays injured.

Sjengster
10-28-2004, 02:41 PM
Come on, be serious - Mac may be jingoistic to the core, but he's also a promoter. Considering he tried to get Federer to play his regular clay event in Houston this year, seemingly in ignorance of most European players' schedules, I doubt he wants him to stay away from the TMC this year. I should stress this is because of Federer's exceptional year, if he had achieved in 2004 what he did in 2003 then I doubt Big Jim would mind too much, but when the clear no. 1 in the world and winner of a three-quarter Slam could potentially miss your event, it IS a big deal. The increased chance of Roddick or Agassi winning (he'd prefer the latter, by far) is nice compensation, nothing more.

jtipson
10-28-2004, 02:41 PM
I doubt it, he has more commercial sense than that.

1NightStandsRule
10-28-2004, 02:44 PM
I doubt it, he has more commercial sense than that.

That would be the only reason.

RonE
10-28-2004, 03:24 PM
That would be the only reason.

Reason enough. Money talks and BS walks.......

Fedex
10-29-2004, 01:56 AM
I am just thinknig it is a good thing he had clinched #1 with that USO win. Otherwise it really would be :eek:

Roger has to listen to his body and his doctors- it is more important to recover, rest and get ready for next year than to go out and unnecessarily bust a gut at this point.
No, even without the Open title, he would've still had a huge massive lead (a couple thousand pts, I believe) over Roddick, so his #1 ranking was never in danger. This is sad news to me; This is the 1st time, I've been on a computer these past few days, so I have much news to catch up on.