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My eating habits.

Filo V.
03-01-2012, 04:17 PM
OK, so since I've been gone, my primary focus has been on my appearance, as usual, but now even more so. I've had a lot of time on my hands from being off a school a lot, it's been cold, and I've been taking care of my grandfather who is back home from the hospital after breaking his leg last May, so I've been in the house and able to really focus on my looks.

The past weeks, this has been my general eating habit:

Breakfast: Small/medium size bowl of oatmeal or an apple.

Lunch: Small/medium size bowl of oatmeal; a salad; or occasionally an egg salad sandwich(es).

Dinner: Salad and/or green with tons of spice to quicken my metabolism; fish with tons of spice; occasionally spaghetti.

I drink 4 ice cold bottles of waters per day between meals, which I will see if I can bump up to 5. I don't drink anything else but water.


So, my grandparents are basically scared because they say I have an eating disorder. My best friend Marty says I look completely different. My aunt, whose a doctor, said I have a mental disorder which results in me not eating.

Personally, I don't think I have an eating disorder. I eat what I want to eat and don't eat bullshit. I ONLY eat like this for appearance reasons. I do NOT care about any other reasoning behind eating like this, because if I could, I would eat pizza, cake and ice cream, but I can't, because emotionally I will feel like shit if I do and I will freak out. I would stay inside and do nothing if I were/felt ugly. Being ugly for me is just horrible. Life is too short to be ugly and be unhappy about being ugly. I care about my appearance exponentially more than I care about food, or eating. I like to eat but it will never get in the way of my appearance.

Anyway, my question for everyone is, do YOU think I have an eating disorder? And if so, why? The reason I ask this is partially to toot my own horn, because I love my eating habits and think if people want to have a slim figure and structured face, my way is the way to eat. But I also want to hear from third party, non-family/personal RL friend sources about my eating habits, because occasionally I have felt sick, just yesterday, I was craving an egg salad sandwich but I resisted the urge. I honestly think I just have self-control to know certain things I can and can't eat, and I have a goal that I want to reach and am basically there. But I also sort of need a different perspective, to help me see if what I'm doing is actually beneficial for me or not in the end.

Anyway, vote up people, thanks :wavey:

P.S. Mods I BEG of you not to close nor merge this thread with anything else. I PLEAD that you don't and respect my wishes. Thanks.

gulzhan
03-01-2012, 04:20 PM
Where is an option-- I envy you! ;)

Gagsquet
03-01-2012, 04:24 PM
Where is an option-- I pity you! ;)

Filo V.
03-01-2012, 04:27 PM
Where is an option-- I envy you! ;)

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Filo V.
03-01-2012, 04:59 PM
Where is an option-- I pity you! ;)

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Filo V.
03-01-2012, 08:55 PM
Today is my egg salad day, meaning a cheat day. I usually have one or two cheat days per week to eat egg salad, spaghetti, chicken, something of the sort.

Then I make up for it by cutting back for several days consecutively. So tomorrow, I'll have an apple for breakfast, salad for lunch, and probably a green and more salad for dinner, or maybe fish and a green. And that will be virtually no sodium, little cholesterol, and 500 calories or less. Do that for several days, and everything is fine. No exercise yet lose weight; it's perfect!!!

Mimi
03-02-2012, 01:40 AM
hi Filo, welcome back :bigwave:

no, you are not having eating disorder, but you are eating very healthily and too little in my opinion. I think you can only do this diet for some day, and then you should get to eat some more like meat to supplement your nutrition, and then you can go back to this strict diet again.

Actually I think I need to copy your diet, coz i am over-weighted and have high blood pressure problem :help: but i can't, i can just eat a little less, can't eat as little as you :tape:. If i can do your diet for a week, may be my high blood pressure and cholestorel will go down a lot.

I would eat pizza, cake and ice cream, my beloved :drool:

Pirata.
03-02-2012, 02:17 AM
I admire your abilities to eat healthy like this :D I find I have some really bad habits when I eat. Either I don't eat enough or I eat too much. For example, today I have had four apples which is healthy, but I ate them with caramel dip which is not very healthy. Aside from that, I had a turkey sandwich (on white bread :facepalm:) and I'm about to make some rice. I wake up in a rush to get to classes so I don't normally eat breakfast, and for the past couple weeks I'd been eating two PopTarts as breakfast, with a thermos of hot chocolate. Often, I stop in the campus dining hall and get something quick and fried, which is even worse.

Mimi
03-02-2012, 02:26 AM
I admire your abilities to eat healthy like this :D I find I have some really bad habits when I eat. Either I don't eat enough or I eat too much. For example, today I have had four apples which is healthy, but I ate them with caramel dip which is not very healthy. Aside from that, I had a turkey sandwich (on white bread :facepalm:) and I'm about to make some rice. I wake up in a rush to get to classes so I don't normally eat breakfast, and for the past couple weeks I'd been eating two PopTarts as breakfast, with a thermos of hot chocolate. Often, I stop in the campus dining hall and get something quick and fried, which is even worse.

you still eat more healthy and little than me. 4 apples+1 turkey sandwich+rice would not be enough for me for one day, these would only be enough for my breakfast and lunch :tape:

buddyholly
03-02-2012, 02:35 AM
. No exercise yet lose weight; it's perfect!!!

Why no exercise? Nobody can look good without exercise. You may lose all the fat, but with no muscle tone you would just look wan and anorexic.

Johnny Groove
03-02-2012, 02:42 AM
For me, a basic day is cereal w/ milk in the morning + multivitamin.

Then a few hours later, a bagel with peanut butter.

Then, another hour or two, and a half a cup of pasta. Then another hour, and off to the gym and/or tennis courts.

Upon my arrival back home, protein shake. And towards the end of the night a few hours before bed, a nice Campbell's Chunk NFL Soup for dinner and that's it.

And I drink a shitload of water all day, every day.

_maxi
03-02-2012, 02:48 AM
Why don't you eat more? Man I think you might have an eating disorder. Not sure, but I think you eat too little...

Go to a nutricionist and start eating more. And go to the gym if you care so much about your look :)
Eat healthy, but eat MORE.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 03:07 AM
Why no exercise? Nobody can look good without exercise. You may lose all the fat, but with no muscle tone you would just look wan and anorexic.

I have a developed 6 pack, though. I do some light exercise at home like crunches and jogging around the block, but I don't like going to the gym, because it's work and I'm averse to doing anything related to work.

VolandriFan
03-02-2012, 03:08 AM
You definitely have a bad attitude towards food, but so do I. Are you intentionally maintaining your body weight at a BMI below the 85th percentile? If you're at least at a healthy weight, then there's no big issue yet.

But where is the iron in your diet? Calcium? Vegetables other than leafy ones?

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 03:18 AM
I admire your abilities to eat healthy like this :D I find I have some really bad habits when I eat. Either I don't eat enough or I eat too much. For example, today I have had four apples which is healthy, but I ate them with caramel dip which is not very healthy. Aside from that, I had a turkey sandwich (on white bread :facepalm:) and I'm about to make some rice. I wake up in a rush to get to classes so I don't normally eat breakfast, and for the past couple weeks I'd been eating two PopTarts as breakfast, with a thermos of hot chocolate. Often, I stop in the campus dining hall and get something quick and fried, which is even worse.:hug: Thanks hun but I honestly don't know if these eating habits I employ are healthy, because my energy levels are weird. I don't know if that's due to lack of sleep or a messed up metabolism. You're supposed to eat a minimum 1800 calories a day if you're a man and being tall, I have a minimum calorie intake per day of like 2100. And I virtually never hit 1000-1200, let alone 1800. But I appreciate the kind words all the same! It's hard eating like this but it's definitely worth it.

Four apples is definitely healthy but that quite a high amount of sugar :lol: You have a college students' eating habits, which are generally always scattered, but for the most part your eating habits sound good! It's easy to make a couple adjustments. Like instead of pop tarts, have a couple of apples for breakfast instead. Rather than coffee, put some smooth hot chocolate in your thermos. Have non-salted nuts or carrots for a snack instead of apples. And trade the white bread for whole grain or whole wheat. Your eating habits are significantly better than most college students, and the important thing is that you have an understanding on what is appropriate to eat and what isn't. That's always the first step.

Kat_YYZ
03-02-2012, 03:32 AM
I have a developed 6 pack, though. I do some light exercise at home like crunches and jogging around the block, but I don't like going to the gym, because it's work and I'm averse to doing anything related to work.

actually a lot of people become exercise junkies -- you get a kind of high from working out (once you get conditioned and used to it). So it doesn't feel like work at all. I've been in that place (though god knows I'm not there right now -- far from it :rolleyes:) and it really is a good feeling. You feel mighty. :)

Then again, given how obsessively you control your eating, maybe you're aware that you would become an obsessed fitness nut who ends up overtraining, so that's why you stay away from it. :lol:

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 03:36 AM
You definitely have a bad attitude towards food, but so do I. Are you intentionally maintaining your body weight at a BMI below the 85th percentile? If you're at least at a healthy weight, then there's no big issue yet.I don't even know what my weight is, I haven't checked it in a long time, but I think it's somewhere in the 155 lbs range. I computed it into the BMI chart and I was right on the underweight/normal weight line. I really love food, actually, but I hate what bad food does to your body. It's more that I am obsessed with my appearance and will sacrifice food for improving my looks. I'm not really intentionally doing anything other than eating as much as I can to stay alive yet maintain/lose weight.

But where is the iron in your diet? Calcium? Vegetables other than leafy ones?Honestly, I don't know much about these things. I really don't think about anything other than calories in/calories out, and keeping fat/sodium/sugar/cholesterol levels down. Everything I eat is tailored to maintaining and losing weight, specifically face weight, and having a slim and structured face.

With that being said, oatmeal is my main source of iron; I like broccoli and cauliflower, I eat peppers a fair bit because it's spice, and I like spice because it quickens metabolism. I guess oatmeal is my #1 source of calcium too. It's not something I think about, really. Which is bad, but it goes with my entire mentality, which is, I only care about my appearance. Health, I care about, but my primary focus is my face and looks in general.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 03:42 AM
Why don't you eat more? Man I think you might have an eating disorder. Not sure, but I think you eat too little...

Go to a nutricionist and start eating more. And go to the gym if you care so much about your look :)
Eat healthy, but eat MORE.I would eat more, but now that I have eaten the way I have for so long, if I boost up my eating levels, I'll gain weight immediately. So now I'm basically forced into eating this way. I should definitely go to a nutritionist, though. Who would tell me I'm under-eating and the healthy way to lose weight is slow and gradually. It's a combo of paranoia, laziness and lack of patience that leads me to eating like this.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 03:54 AM
I went to the gym quite a bit and was working out a fair bit during the summer last year, until around October/November. Then I just stopped doing it. What I was doing was running for at least 30 minutes, and then doing many cardio exercises and some weight training. What I would do was eat a bit more, not overwhelming, but I had sushi and tuna, bananas and apple sauce, I ate spaghetti and chicken more often. I had chicken, stuffing, mac-n-cheese for Thanksgiving. But then I'd exercise a ton and work it off, and if I didn't exercise, I'd feel like shit, physically, emotionally and mentally. Now over the past about month, I've cut back even more, and in the process, lost weight.

Going to the gym felt extremely forced for me because I had/have absolutely no interest in doing it, but I'm going to have to do it and I will work it into my plans; I can begrudgingly make myself do it, and try to realize at the end of the day, it's beneficial for me to do so. But I don't consider going to the gym a tradeoff for eating more. I'm still going to eat within the range of foods I eat now, and work out also.

Arkulari
03-02-2012, 05:38 AM
I think more than an eating disorder you have an obsession with looking good, narcissism and you care too much about what people think about your looks.

For what I can see here, people eat too little LOL, I have lots of vegetables, seafood and like to make most things from scratch if I can but since I grew up with a Mediterranean diet and I exercise quite a bit + my metabolism being fast then I can pretty much eat what I want (even if I really don't like greasy food but for the taste) without thinking "OMG THIS IS GOING TO MY HIPS!"

Honestly, you would die knowing what I eat daily :lol:

It is important to look good FOR YOURSELF but when your self-esteem is only linked to that, you know you have a problem, and it's not like BITCH PLEASE I DO WHAT I WANT, cutting up so much in your meals might give you health issues like gastritis.

Learn to like more things about yourself than being just a pretty boy (BTW: most of the skinny ones are really unappealing for both sexes) and try to enjoy food, not suffer through it.

Mimi
03-02-2012, 05:54 AM
your photo please :drool:

Fujee
03-02-2012, 09:44 AM
You're attitude towards food is very negative. Essentially, cutting back after one or two indulgences does nothing for your weight and/or metabolism. In fact cutting back shocks your body into a fat preservation mode as it has had a minimal amount of caloires to fuel basic everyday functions. Essentially, I would say you do have a eating disorder of some sort, but it's good that you recognise this pattern of eating as potentially dangerous, understanding is the first stage of developing a healthy diet.

If you want to keep your weight down for purely cosmetic reasons then, calculate your BMR (base metabolic rate) then from that use a simple equation to calculate your calorie needs for a sedentry day, if you keep within your limit you will maintain and even lose a little weight. Calories in/Calories out is the fundamental rule of weight loss, you will have a set limit and anything over that limit you will begin to gain weight. For a healthy average man, the calorie needs falls in around 2200-2500 a day depending on height and weight. If you do a little exercise or even alot that amount increases and if you eat no more you will lose weight. Weight loss is a numbers game.

But my third point is, if you exercise moderately everyday (say, 30 mins a day) you will be able to eat a normal varied diet with some indulgences and not even have to worry about weight gain, don't beat yourself up over what is considered to be beautiful or not. Exercise, enjoy the good things in life and you'll be a more attractive person.

Hope this helps!

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 05:44 PM
OK, so I basically realized today that it was my lack of eating that was the primary reason I lacked energy in a serious way, got dizzy and had headaches recently, and felt badly. I got a really good sleep and wanted to test myself and see what was causing it: a lack of sleep or metabolism issues. I had an apple for breakfast and two bottles of water in 3 hours and felt pretty horrible pretty quickly. Now I just had a bowl of oatmeal, I'd say in-between small and medium sized, and I feel significantly better. So, I have the answer----I need to eat a bit more to feel better and not kill myself. I'll eat more to survive but I still will continue to scrimp as much possible with my eating habits, just not cross the line into total starvation.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 05:59 PM
actually a lot of people become exercise junkies -- you get a kind of high from working out (once you get conditioned and used to it). So it doesn't feel like work at all. I've been in that place (though god knows I'm not there right now -- far from it :rolleyes:) and it really is a good feeling. You feel mighty. :)Yeah, I know about exercise junkies, plenty of them in the gay community :lol: We call them gym bunnies, basically the guys that are the most drooled over, spend their afternoons in the gym working on their bodies to look perfect, and have magical muscle tone and form. The problem is that I'm so incredibly lazy, and that for me to actually maintain this routine, I'd need to be motivated in what I'm doing. If I don't really want to do something I won't do it or I'll make myself do it, but not nearly as well as I could/should. I have no motivation to go to the gym at all, but I'll have to force myself to do it, so we'll see if I can develop some sort of motivation surrounding it.

Then again, given how obsessively you control your eating, maybe you're aware that you would become an obsessed fitness nut who ends up overtraining, so that's why you stay away from it. :lol:In fact, interesting you said this, when I was training, and going to the gym and doing cardio exercises at home, I'd overdo it all the time. I was going to the gym and doing at-home exercise a fair bit last summer, through October/November or so...............and I was eating more foods. I would have sushi, bananas, more eggs, I had apple sauce, baked beans and lasagna. I ate turkey, stuffing and mac-n-cheese during Thanksgiving. The thing is, I would eat this, and then I'd run for 30 minutes-1 hour, then do a lot of cardio and some strength training. So I'd work out for like 2 hours overall, or at least until I got lightheaded and until basically I was physically maxed out. I'd push myself beyond my limits, and if I didn't work out after eating foods that I considered less healthy, I'd feel like shit afterward, physically, emotionally and mentally. Then I just stopped doing it, and started eating less instead and changing my diet plan even more, eliminating most foods, and including more apples, strawberries, green food more often. I don't really know why I stopped, it wasn't like I consciously chose to do so, but it was pretty abrupt, and I haven't picked it back up.

As long as I have my six-pack and thin face, I couldn't really care less about anything else. That is my entire motivation, and whichever way I can maintain these features and improve them is what I will do.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 06:21 PM
I think more than an eating disorder you have an obsession with looking good, narcissism and you care too much about what people think about your looks.I agree with your first point, I do have an obsession with looking good. But what I will say is: Is there a problem with being concerned with how others see you? I want to look presentable and attractive. I don't want to be considered ugly. I want men to hit on me and I want to be seen as attractive. I don't really see the problem in that and don't consider it narcissistic to wish to be attractive with all the benefits that come with being attractive. Being hot has so many pluses and also helps with self-esteem, so why shouldn't anyone do their part to focus on this?

For what I can see here, people eat too little LOL, I have lots of vegetables, seafood and like to make most things from scratch if I can but since I grew up with a Mediterranean diet and I exercise quite a bit + my metabolism being fast then I can pretty much eat what I want (even if I really don't like greasy food but for the taste) without thinking "OMG THIS IS GOING TO MY HIPS!"You don't seem to have too unhealthy a diet, and you work out. Plus you make food from scratch which SIGNIFICANTLY reduces the unhealthy factor of a lot of foods that would be more unhealthy otherwise; fewer trans fats, fewer additives and preservatives. I should make more food from scratch so I can enjoy food I like without worrying about my weight when eating it.

Honestly, you would die knowing what I eat daily :lol:I'd probably freak out majorly :crying2:

It is important to look good FOR YOURSELF but when your self-esteem is only linked to that, you know you have a problem, and it's not like BITCH PLEASE I DO WHAT I WANT, cutting up so much in your meals might give you health issues like gastritis.Eh............we all have our things that make us tick. For me and others, it's our looks. I don't consider that a negative thing.

I know it's unhealthy to cut foods out the way I have and cut the amount I eat per day. It's all a plus/minus system. Pluses=I lose weight and maintain my face structure and ab definition. Minuses=I don't feel as well physically and am causing potential irreversible health damage. As of right now, my priorities leads me to accept the pluses and deal with the minuses. Is that necessarily a good thing? Probably not at the end of the day. But I look good, so quite frankly, it's worth it to me.

Learn to like more things about yourself than being just a pretty boy (BTW: most of the skinny ones are really unappealing for both sexes) and try to enjoy food, not suffer through it.I like other aspects of myself, but it's my looks that are going to get me places. Sex sells. It's 2012. You have to be bringing more to the table than being a nice guy to make it, and I have the ace in my back pocket: my looks, plus I love looking good, so it's really just a perfect storm that has come together that leads me to focus on my appearance as much as I do. However, I agree that the skinny look isn't really in. I've lost almost all of my fat and now it's time to tone up and gain some sexy definition with my abs, chest, arms and legs. Plus I want to improve my ass and make it thicker.

I enjoy what I eat, I like eating, but I don't like eating more than I like being attractive and I'm willing to make sacrifices to maintain my appearance.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 06:49 PM
You're attitude towards food is very negative. Essentially, cutting back after one or two indulgences does nothing for your weight and/or metabolism. In fact cutting back shocks your body into a fat preservation mode as it has had a minimal amount of caloires to fuel basic everyday functions. Essentially, I would say you do have a eating disorder of some sort, but it's good that you recognise this pattern of eating as potentially dangerous, understanding is the first stage of developing a healthy diet.Oh, I've known the entire time that my eating habits aren't healthy :lol: I've just basically traded health for appearance. I made the conscious choice to put everything else to the side and focus on my looks. I also agree, that ultimately, not eating anything after eating a lot is actually harmful and causes your body to retain the fat from the food you did indulge in. Therefore, I'm just going to stop indulging and eat a moderate amount every day and I won't have to worry about any of this.

If you want to keep your weight down for purely cosmetic reasons then, calculate your BMR (base metabolic rate) then from that use a simple equation to calculate your calorie needs for a sedentry day, if you keep within your limit you will maintain and even lose a little weight. Calories in/Calories out is the fundamental rule of weight loss, you will have a set limit and anything over that limit you will begin to gain weight. For a healthy average man, the calorie needs falls in around 2200-2500 a day depending on height and weight. If you do a little exercise or even alot that amount increases and if you eat no more you will lose weight. Weight loss is a numbers game.OK, so I did the calculations, and it says I have to eat over 2000 calories, which sounds disgusting. I haven't had more than 1200-1500 at most in A LONG TIME. And if I plan on indulging a bit during the day, I don't eat anything other than that indulgence to keep calories down. Calories in/calories out, that's been my focus, and I've been eating a low amount of calories; that leads to weight loss. Weight loss is a numbers game, but the numbers you have to play to be healthy and lose weight are where I get tripped up. Because I'd like to lose weight as easily and quickly as possible without doing any work.

It's all in my head. Everything you've said I've known. I can eat 1800 calories a day, and still maintain and lose weight, but since I'm underweight, my body will start grasping onto the food I eat if I start really boosting my food intake and I'll gain weight. I've been eating like this for approaching 2 years now. Your metabolism readjusts itself and your body needs less to survive on once you eat the way I have for the extended period I have.

Also, it's crazy, but I have no clue how I could eat 2000+ calories a day, or how anyone could, unless they eat garbage. It honestly makes me want to throw up thinking about.

But my third point is, if you exercise moderately everyday (say, 30 mins a day) you will be able to eat a normal varied diet with some indulgences and not even have to worry about weight gain, don't beat yourself up over what is considered to be beautiful or not. Exercise, enjoy the good things in life and you'll be a more attractive person.The exercising is the main key. I am going to force myself to exercise, because I have to, to get in the best shape possible, and tone my body. But I don't see exercise as a justification to dramatically boost food intake or start eating foods I've cut out. I think that eating a moderate amount AND working out is best because now you will lose weight in both ways, from diet and from working out, plus you'll gain tone and look sharp.

I shouldn't beat myself up about what is considered beautiful, but for me, I can't enjoy life if I don't feel beautiful. Beauty is what makes life grand, in general. That's why I am so focused on my looks more than anything else. Beauty, whether physical beauty, the beauty of an individuals' personality, whatever the case may be, is what separates a truly attractive person from the rest of the crowd.

Thank you, you have helped a lot and I've figured out how I'm going to plan my entire food situation now!

green25814
03-02-2012, 07:16 PM
I eat about five times the calories Filo V does per day. I'm not overweight, and fairly physically fit. I do have a fast metabolism though.

Oh yeah, and I change what I eat constantly, giving a list would be impossible for me, lol. I guess I eat a shit ton of pasta, curries, fish, and dairy products, but really I eat anything and everything. Love food, and have almost no dislikes.

I'd say to Filo V that you probably don't (yet) have anorexia, but you are on a path which may lead you there. Its a terrible disease, my sister has been fighting it for three years or so now. So be wary.

My advice would be that you have a distorted view of how much potential damage to your 'looks' food does, and that to many people very skinny is just as ugly as very fat.

KaiserT
03-02-2012, 07:22 PM
your photo please :drool:

...... :lol:

Arkulari
03-02-2012, 07:44 PM
I agree with your first point, I do have an obsession with looking good. But what I will say is: Is there a problem with being concerned with how others see you? I want to look presentable and attractive. I don't want to be considered ugly. I want men to hit on me and I want to be seen as attractive. I don't really see the problem in that and don't consider it narcissistic to wish to be attractive with all the benefits that come with being attractive. Being hot has so many pluses and also helps with self-esteem, so why shouldn't anyone do their part to focus on this?

You don't seem to have too unhealthy a diet, and you work out. Plus you make food from scratch which SIGNIFICANTLY reduces the unhealthy factor of a lot of foods that would be more unhealthy otherwise; fewer trans fats, fewer additives and preservatives. I should make more food from scratch so I can enjoy food I like without worrying about my weight when eating it.

I'd probably freak out majorly :crying2:

Eh............we all have our things that make us tick. For me and others, it's our looks. I don't consider that a negative thing.

I know it's unhealthy to cut foods out the way I have and cut the amount I eat per day. It's all a plus/minus system. Pluses=I lose weight and maintain my face structure and ab definition. Minuses=I don't feel as well physically and am causing potential irreversible health damage. As of right now, my priorities leads me to accept the pluses and deal with the minuses. Is that necessarily a good thing? Probably not at the end of the day. But I look good, so quite frankly, it's worth it to me.

I like other aspects of myself, but it's my looks that are going to get me places. Sex sells. It's 2012. You have to be bringing more to the table than being a nice guy to make it, and I have the ace in my back pocket: my looks, plus I love looking good, so it's really just a perfect storm that has come together that leads me to focus on my appearance as much as I do. However, I agree that the skinny look isn't really in. I've lost almost all of my fat and now it's time to tone up and gain some sexy definition with my abs, chest, arms and legs. Plus I want to improve my ass and make it thicker.

I enjoy what I eat, I like eating, but I don't like eating more than I like being attractive and I'm willing to make sacrifices to maintain my appearance.

Wanting to look good is not a crime, in fact it is good because you don't have to let yourself go, the issue is when you care more about your looks than your health, you can mantain a good physical appareance without really starving.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 08:41 PM
your photo please :drool:
Good things come to those who wait :angel:

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 08:43 PM
the issue is when you care more about your looks than your health, you can mantain a good physical appareance without really starving.This is true and why I'm going to change my approach a little bit and be less paranoid about eating. I can still be frugal with what I buy and what I eat without going too far, it's all a balance.

Henry Chinaski
03-02-2012, 08:53 PM
do you take a multivitamin?

if you're feeling weak/dizzy you're probably anaemic.

if you will insist on starvation then maybe you can stave off some of the worst effects with a multivitamin supplement.

my breakfast probably has more calories than you eat in a full day and once I'm active or recovering it's not unhealthy at all.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 08:56 PM
I'd say to Filo V that you probably don't (yet) have anorexia, but you are on a path which may lead you there. Its a terrible disease, my sister has been fighting it for three years or so now. So be wary.

My advice would be that you have a distorted view of how much potential damage to your 'looks' food does, and that to many people very skinny is just as ugly as very fat.I really don't know the ins and outs of anorexia. Isn't that when people throw up their food intentionally? Because I don't do that. When I was young, I was actually lactose intolerant, but I grew out of that. I almost died because I couldn't keep anything down. I eat things without seeking to not digest it. What are her symptoms? Hopefully your sister recovers from her anorexia issues, and doesn't succumb. My best wishes go out to her.

I disagree about my distorted view about food and the damage it causes. Food can cause severe damage. Just having one hot dog or cheeseburger from McDonald's can ruin ones' entire diet for the day. Doing that every day or every other day can lead someone towards a rapid path of obesity. People eat things they think is healthy, when it truly isn't. Like spaghetti, it's adequate but the sauce is full of sodium and spaghetti is a lot of carbs. Carbs=sugar. Diet drinks, bottled water, things people would expect would be healthy are not healthy. So you have to be very aware of what you're putting into your body at all times.

Being ultra skinny to me is definitely not attractive, but it's easier to work your way from that point up, than it is to get down from obesity. Also what one considers skinny, others consider thin. I think most people know fat when they see fat. But skinny, the goalposts are less clear.

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 09:47 PM
do you take a multivitamin?

if you're feeling weak/dizzy you're probably anaemic.

if you will insist on starvation then maybe you can stave off some of the worst effects with a multivitamin supplement.

my breakfast probably has more calories than you eat in a full day and once I'm active or recovering it's not unhealthy at all.

The dizziness is rare; only when I really don't eat for too long a period in a day, which isn't intentional. But my body, my insides, feel really wound up a lot of the time, they don't feel loose. That's probably the #1 thing I feel. No, I don't take any pills of any kind. Never have, and I'm pretty hesitant about ever doing so. I don't like the idea of putting anything of the sort into my body.

Anemia is a iron deficiency disease, am I correct? I eat a lot of oatmeal. I don't know why I'd have problems with iron when I eat as much oatmeal as I do. Seems like it would be the least of my health issues :lol:

I know meat is the #1 source of iron, so maybe I'll add a little bit of meat into my diet. I've never been much of a meat eater, even when I was eating a larger selection of foods.

What do you regularly have for breakfast? When you work out or are generally active you burn more calories, so you can afford to eat more.

green25814
03-02-2012, 10:10 PM
I really don't know the ins and outs of anorexia. Isn't that when people throw up their food intentionally? Because I don't do that. When I was young, I was actually lactose intolerant, but I grew out of that. I almost died because I couldn't keep anything down. I eat things without seeking to not digest it. What are her symptoms? Hopefully your sister recovers from her anorexia issues, and doesn't succumb. My best wishes go out to her.

I disagree about my distorted view about food and the damage it causes. Food can cause severe damage. Just having one hot dog or cheeseburger from McDonald's can ruin ones' entire diet for the day. Doing that every day or every other day can lead someone towards a rapid path of obesity. People eat things they think is healthy, when it truly isn't. Like spaghetti, it's adequate but the sauce is full of sodium and spaghetti is a lot of carbs. Carbs=sugar. Diet drinks, bottled water, things people would expect would be healthy are not healthy. So you have to be very aware of what you're putting into your body at all times.

Being ultra skinny to me is definitely not attractive, but it's easier to work your way from that point up, than it is to get down from obesity. Also what one considers skinny, others consider thin. I think most people know fat when they see fat. But skinny, the goalposts are less clear.

Self-induced vomiting is a side-effect of anorexia, not anorexia itself. In my experience with my sister, anorexia is similar to a type of extreme paranoia. It starts off with you obsessively controlling your food and calorie intake (usually for a fair reason, like because you want to be more attractive etc). The problem is what happens is that people begin to grow more and more delusional, where they begin to totally distrust almost all food, and are unable to comprehend their own weight/appearance. You gradually begin to convince yourself that you aren't losing enough weight. My sister describes it as having an inner voice constantly talking to you day in day out. Essentially, what you see in the mirror becomes like a hallucination, and you become physically incapable of seeing your body for what it is.

But the scary part of anorexia is that its not something you can just fix, once you get it. Its a genuine mental illness which takes many years of pain and struggle to recover from, and even if you are able to recognise that you have the disease, just like a drug addiction, you may not be able to overcome it.

I don't want to sound preachy but what you've described does sound to me like the beginning stages of anorexia, and you need to realise its better to act now before things get out of control. Its just like a drug addiction, fighting it becomes harder the longer you leave it.

Anyway, my advice is not to panic or anything, just have a quiet word with your local doctor and tell them everything you've said in this thread about your routine. Just get an assessment from a professional, and take in what they have to say carefully. You should be fine. :)

Filo V.
03-02-2012, 10:50 PM
Self-induced vomiting is a side-effect of anorexia, not anorexia itself. In my experience with my sister, anorexia is similar to a type of extreme paranoia. It starts off with you obsessively controlling your food and calorie intake (usually for a fair reason, like because you want to be more attractive etc). The problem is what happens is that people begin to grow more and more delusional, where they begin to totally distrust almost all food, and are unable to comprehend their own weight/appearance. You gradually begin to convince yourself that you aren't losing enough weight. My sister describes it as having an inner voice constantly talking to you day in day out. Essentially, what you see in the mirror becomes like a hallucination, and you become physically incapable of seeing your body for what it is.OK, thank you for describing it..........I definitely don't think I've gone that far, since I actually know I'm pretty thin and I don't hate food. But I can actually totally relate to the inner voice aspect, I feel that too in a way. For me, it's just an extreme pressure. Like I don't want to make a mistake and do the wrong thing by eating something that will mess up my entire daily meal plan. Also, I can relate to the paranoia, not necessarily about my weight, by my appearance in general; my eating habits just are part of that. So I actually may have the beginning of this disorder, which is obviously not a good thing. You sort of put things into perspective for me.

But the scary part of anorexia is that its not something you can just fix, once you get it. Its a genuine mental illness which takes many years of pain and struggle to recover from, and even if you are able to recognise that you have the disease, just like a drug addiction, you may not be able to overcome it.I totally understand that, because obviously, you can't change your natural impulses. That impulse is there, one just has to do their best to control it the best they can. I totally get being obsessed with something that could totally harmful for you, knowing it's pain it causes you and others, but just being hooked and stuck in the cycle of destruction. It's sad to think about, that feeling of helplessness.

I don't want to sound preachy but what you've described does sound to me like the beginning stages of anorexia, and you need to realise its better to act now before things get out of control. Its just like a drug addiction, fighting it becomes harder the longer you leave it.

Anyway, my advice is not to panic or anything, just have a quiet word with your local doctor and tell them everything you've said in this thread about your routine. Just get an assessment from a professional, and take in what they have to say carefully. You should be fine. :)Thank you............my grandmother is intent to take me to a doctor. I honestly don't think I'm in any immediate danger and I have control of things but it's always good to hear opinions from others to get a fair assessment, particularly from those who have the ability to give advice that is based on what they themselves have seen/experienced. I'll be 100% forthright about everything and we'll see what happens.

Henry Chinaski
03-02-2012, 10:51 PM
The dizziness is rare; only when I really don't eat for too long a period in a day, which isn't intentional. But my body, my insides, feel really wound up a lot of the time, they don't feel loose. That's probably the #1 thing I feel. No, I don't take any pills of any kind. Never have, and I'm pretty hesitant about ever doing so. I don't like the idea of putting anything of the sort into my body.

Anemia is a iron deficiency disease, am I correct? I eat a lot of oatmeal. I don't know why I'd have problems with iron when I eat as much oatmeal as I do. Seems like it would be the least of my health issues :lol:

I know meat is the #1 source of iron, so maybe I'll add a little bit of meat into my diet. I've never been much of a meat eater, even when I was eating a larger selection of foods.

What do you regularly have for breakfast? When you work out or are generally active you burn more calories, so you can afford to eat more.

there are different types on anaemia. can be cause by a B vitamin deficiency as well.

I have a big bowl of oatmeal (slow realease carbs) and a banana or glass of OJ (fast release carbs) for breakfast every morning.

I have the oatmeal with soy milk and add a scoop of whey protein, a scoop of peanut butter and teaspoon of milled flaxseed so there's a high calorie content from good fats in there too.

usually eat that twice a day as one of my 5 meals a day.

green25814
03-02-2012, 11:05 PM
OK, thank you for describing it..........I definitely don't think I've gone that far, since I actually know I'm pretty thin and I don't hate food. But I can actually totally relate to the inner voice aspect, I feel that too in a way. For me, it's just an extreme pressure. Like I don't want to make a mistake and do the wrong thing by eating something that will mess up my entire daily meal plan. Also, I can relate to the paranoia, not necessarily about my weight, by my appearance in general; my eating habits just are part of that. So I actually may have the beginning of this disorder, which is obviously not a good thing. You sort of put things into perspective for me.
Cool. I have to say its good news that you are talking about this. My sister managed to hide all this for over a year, believe it or not. What happened was that she began regulating her meals obsessively, and they'd gradually get smaller and smaller. Even though she's on the road to recovery, she still has to regulate everything. Its impossible for her to physically eat something if she doesn't know the exact number of calories etc. Glad I've helped you out a bit here man

I totally understand that, because obviously, you can't change your natural impulses. That impulse is there, one just has to do their best to control it the best they can. I totally get being obsessed with something that could totally harmful for you, knowing it's pain it causes you and others, but just being hooked and stuck in the cycle of destruction. It's sad to think about, that feeling of helplessness.
Yep. I think I get this too, nothing to do with food for me, my problem was drugs. True addiction is bad, but whats worse is when you know whats going on but can't do anything about it. For me though, I've found that the 'voice' telling you you can't change your habits is actually a manifestation of the illness. In your case, you have to think of it as that 'habit' living within you trying to protect its own interests.

Thank you............my grandmother is intent to take me to a doctor. I honestly don't think I'm in any immediate danger and I have control of things but it's always good to hear opinions from others to get a fair assessment, particularly from those who have the ability to give advice that is based on what they themselves have seen/experienced. I'll be 100% forthright about everything and we'll see what happens.
Good luck, and good to hear. We can't have you go crazy on us mate, non-tennis would die :lol:

Kat_YYZ
03-03-2012, 01:01 AM
Spinach is also high in iron and calcium (you don't seem to be having much in the way of milk products), while being very low-calorie.

Pirata.
03-03-2012, 01:20 AM
Spinach is :hearts:

I eat a lot of salad. I buy romaine hearts because I like crunchy lettuce, but then I put croutons, parm cheese and Caesar dressing on it. Or I get iceberg lettuce and eat it plain with cheese and bacon bits, or with ranch and bacon bits.

But I guess I do better than most people who don't eat any greens at all.

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 01:39 AM
So today, I had an apple, medium sized bowl of oatmeal (which I said already) then had a spicy bowl of peas and a basic salad (lettuce and a little tomato). I don't feel bad at all, I just lack any spark in my body. I could eat like this daily, with 5 bottles of water throughout the day, and just manage to try to stay from completely falling apart by 9:00 PM. It's around 8-9 PM where my body and mind pretty much start shutting down, but I don't even feel actual tiredness, which is the "interesting" thing. That's what makes it easy and makes it hard................easy in that I know I can keep this routine and eat like this every single day and lose weight or maintain. But it's difficult in the fact it's difficult to have to essentially throw my body around and muster the energy to stay awake until I actually feel like sleeping; plus the fact it's not fun feeling like this, and it's not really healthy. When I get down in energy, it's hard to get up and do anything unless I psyche myself into doing so.

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 02:02 AM
there are different types on anaemia. can be cause by a B vitamin deficiency as well.Yes, I read up on it, I didn't really have any idea, I don't think I have anaemia, or at least a severe case, but reading some of the symptoms I can see that I share a few of them. Definitely something I have to look out for.

I have a big bowl of oatmeal (slow realease carbs) and a banana or glass of OJ (fast release carbs) for breakfast every morning.I used to have a meal almost identical to this, except the glass of OJ. I never drink while I eat. But I used to eat pretty big bowls of oatmeal, until recently. I cut the amount of oatmeal I eat in one sitting about half. Now if I try to go slightly over a medium sized bowl of oatmeal, I get full. Which is funny because I used to be sort of a pig when it came to food...........I could eat A LOT and not get full. But literally the past month-ish, I've lost the ability to eat as much. My limits are smaller and unlike before, I straight up can't push through any slight feeling of fullness without getting sick.

I have the oatmeal with soy milk and add a scoop of whey protein, a scoop of peanut butter and teaspoon of milled flaxseed so there's a high calorie content from good fats in there too.I basically don't put any milk at all on my oatmeal. Virtually none; I actually will put milk on, but then pour most of it off before eating. I used to put butter on my oatmeal but quit doing that a while ago. I've had whey protein on my oatmeal before and I need to do that again.

Your every-day breakfast sounds filling! I really can't stand peanut butter and anything with the word fat I avoid, but I know that milled flaxseed is extremely good for you. You eat a healthy breakfast, the type of breakfast someone in good shape should eat, and someone who is active will gain energy from.

Plain oatmeal; I love it. I could eat oatmeal all day every single day if I wanted to. Oatmeal in the morning is what gets me going.

usually eat that twice a day as one of my 5 meals a day.5 meals a day..............I never eat more than 3. I read that the best thing is to eat 5-6 small meals every 3 or so hours through the day and drink water in between those meals. I honestly have no idea what I could think of to have that would result in me eating 5 or 6 times through an entire day :lol:

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 02:56 AM
Cool. I have to say its good news that you are talking about this. My sister managed to hide all this for over a year, believe it or not.Thank you........I have nothing to hide. I mean, I know what my situation is. I know about the negatives about my eating habits; I'm feeling the negatives, health wise. When you have a disorder, you sort of become slick on how to feed into and accelerate your bad habits in a discreet way while giving the appearance of normalcy. That's when you're really deep into it, when you've been doing whatever it is for so long, whether it be lack of eating, alcohol, drugs, you know how to pass yourself off as being healthy, when you're truly not. For me, I can't do that because I'm living with and friends with people who won't stop bringing it up. Even if I wanted to hide my eating habits, it wouldn't be possible since my folks see everything I put into my body. They are very scared for me. They are more emotionally affected by my eating routine than I am.

What happened was that she began regulating her meals obsessively, and they'd gradually get smaller and smaller. Even though she's on the road to recovery, she still has to regulate everything. Its impossible for her to physically eat something if she doesn't know the exact number of calories etc. Glad I've helped you out a bit here manYou have helped quite a bit..............it gives me a clear picture of what path I could be headed towards. The regulation obsession and obsession with calorie numbers I pretty much share with her, although for me, my obsession with calories isn't necessarily a meal to meal thing. But an overall daily thing. It's sad, I feel for your sister.

Yep. I think I get this too, nothing to do with food for me, my problem was drugs. True addiction is bad, but whats worse is when you know whats going on but can't do anything about it. For me though, I've found that the 'voice' telling you you can't change your habits is actually a manifestation of the illness. In your case, you have to think of it as that 'habit' living within you trying to protect its own interests.I'm glad you kicked your drug addiction! In a way I feel pretty silly about even potentially having an eating disorder, I literally just had that feeling right now. Compared to a drug addiction, I feel sort of stupid, like I need to get a fucking grip. I agree that the voice telling you that you can't change is a manifestation of whatever illness an individual has.............it's a lot like having an angel on one side of your shoulder and the devil on the other side. The devil is offering so many things that sound so tempting and seem like they are so much fun, but it's a mind trick and you know the pathway the devil will take you is emptiness and ultimately death. The angel seems so much less interesting and enticing, but it makes you wise, better critical decision-making ability, makes you smarter and last longer and do better for yourself and others.

It's all about wanting it and I don't really right now care enough..........even saying all of this, I'm still primarily focused on my looks. It's never truly been about food. It's all about my appearance. That's why I don't think I'm as fucked up as I could be or come off to others. Because I could eat pancakes tomorrow, I'm craving them heavily, but I don't because it will harm my looks. It's all tied in with one another, but I've never considered food to be an issue for me. But, I'm not the person to really say any of this, which is why I am asking you and everyone here and taking advice. I could be in totally ignorance and delusional about where I am and the damage I am/have caused and my overall appearance might be totally ugly.


Good luck, and good to hear. We can't have you go crazy on us mate, non-tennis would die :lol:Thank you :) I am crazy..........at least part of me is crazy. All the divas are :lol:

I have a ton of aspects to me. I have a chill side. When I was flyboy, that was one part of me. That was my serious, chill, more understated me. Filo is the exuberant, flamboyant, gay and out-loud-and-proud part of me. It all depends on my emotions, my mentality, who I'm with, a lot of reasons. I know this forum needs me though :angel:

In all seriousness, this doctor thing is something my grandmom is basically going to make me do. I have no qualms. I need to hear the honest truth. I pretty much emotionally numb, for the most part, few things really cause a reaction out of me, most of the time, I'm just existing; I've never thought about that in-depth in any way, it just is what it is. The one thing that really frightens me is death so I think really a kick in the ass is what I need more than anything so hopefully the doctor or something will provide that for me; if he told me that, like, I'm going to die soon because of my eating habits, I'd be scared into action.

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 03:07 AM
Spinach is also high in iron and calcium (you don't seem to be having much in the way of milk products), while being very low-calorie.The last time I had dairy was when I had a piece of cheese on an egg-salad sandwich by mistake, like a month ago. I freaked out after that..............because I've pretty much totally cut cheese out the diet completely. My grandmother actually brought up my lack of calcium just yesterday; she basically flat out asked where I was getting calcium from, and concerned about that directly. I used to eat spinach often, but I quit eating it because it has a higher sodium content than other greens. But I can probably re-include spinach into my meal plan with no issue and add some iron and calcium in my diet I'm missing.

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 03:17 AM
The greens I eat are:

Salad (virtually daily, no dressing, add a little tomato with lettuce and that's it)
Green beans
Peas

Those are the greens I have on a regular, daily basis. I have a green pretty much every single day. Other greens I have occasionally include:

Broccoli
Peppers
Cauliflower

Carrots I don't eat individually, but they are included in the organic vegetable packages I buy of mixed vegetables. Once in a while, I eat lima beans, but I've basically cut that out because it has a higher calorie content than other vegetables. That's basically it.

I need to eat more cabbage, because I love cabbage. I love most green foods in general. I usually just have green for dinner, like I had tonight with the bowl of peas with a salad, that's something I have regularly do, I'd say 4 times out of 7 in a week. And I always spice the greens up with black pepper, red pepper and also something cayenne pepper, plus onion powder, before putting them in the microwave to defrost. Because I want it ultra spicy to quicken metabolism.

Arkulari
03-03-2012, 03:19 AM
My breakfast: hot chocolate or herbal tea, bread or a kind of corn bread called arepa, scrambled eggs with vegetables (3 times a week give or take), chorizo (cooked not fried), fruit.

Mid morning Snack: juice and crackers.

Lunch: whatever is on the menu, I really like all kinds of meat with maybe a carb and lots of vegetables, maybe a crepe if it strikes my fancy.

Midafternoon snack: depends on whether I'm still hungry or not, maybe a protein bar if I want to.

Supper: it's a family meal so both Mikel and I cook for us and the kids, make things from scratch, usually some kind of meat with a nice salad (I make a kickass mango vinaigrette that my kids love), a glass of wine for us, juice for them and if we're feeling like it, we make a dessert, tonight it was lemon pie.

I prefer cooked, steamed or grilled food to fried, like to eat vegetables and fruits every day but I don't really cut back on anything, the fried thing is more about me not liking the flavor than an actual calorie count.

My fave dish is this:

http://www.gastronomiavasca.net/recipe-file/1027/Sukalki.jpg

It is called Sukalki and is a traditional Basque dish, consists in a stew of meat, potatoes and vegetables, I was brought up in that stuff :lol:

I also love paella and all kinds of seafood as well, tapas are awesome.

Again, I'm very active physically speaking and my metabolism is fast so I can pretty much eat what I want with no problem.

finishingmove
03-03-2012, 03:26 AM
Hello experts...

I need a good breakfast suggestion which is low in iron and has all the other traits of a good breakfast.

Pirata.
03-03-2012, 03:45 AM
Cauliflower :hearts:

Hello experts...

I need a good breakfast suggestion which is low in iron and has all the other traits of a good breakfast.

Egg whites are low in iron, I've heard. Maybe maybe some fried egg whites with some apple slices or half a grapefruit.

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 01:29 PM
Hello experts...

I need a good breakfast suggestion which is low in iron and has all the other traits of a good breakfast.

Well I definitely can't be considered an expert at all :lol: But I read that dairy is low in iron, also orange juice, and some fresh fruits like apples and blueberries. I'm not that creative so I'm not exactly sure what I'd make to eat from these options but yeah...........I hope I've helped :o :wavey:

You're right, Arsen, in that we're approaching summer...........time for everyone to start toning up and get prepared to show off their beach bodies! When I start seeing guys with their shirts off that's when I know cold days and winter is finally over :)

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 01:57 PM
Again, I'm very active physically speaking and my metabolism is fast so I can pretty much eat what I want with no problem.You're very lucky, Nat, a lot of people would envy your ability to eat as they please without worrying about weight, but being active certainly helps a ton as well. I didn't freak out as I said I would reading you generally eating routine, but I definitely couldn't do the meat and carbs thing as often as you do :lol:

Arkulari
03-03-2012, 05:06 PM
You're very lucky, Nat, a lot of people would envy your ability to eat as they please without worrying about weight, but being active certainly helps a ton as well. I didn't freak out as I said I would reading you generally eating routine, but I definitely couldn't do the meat and carbs thing as often as you do :lol:

I mean I guess you probably thought I was the queen of the quadruple bypass burger :lol:

Honestly, that's the way I was brought up, in Spain you eat lots of light things as snacks and have boiled/stewed/cooking dishes with vegetables and olive oil all over the place.

cobalt60
03-03-2012, 05:36 PM
Have you thought about just writing a blog? Or do you have one already that we can log in to.

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 06:06 PM
I mean I guess you probably thought I was the queen of the quadruple bypass burger :lol:Nah..........I didn't have you pegged for that :lol: I just wasn't sure, but I expected a lot of meat, because that's what I think is popular in Spain, or at least from what I've seen. A lot of meat. Reading it from behind a computer, it sounds delicious, like regular food. But actually being in the presence of that much meat would be a different story :bolt:

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 06:13 PM
Have you thought about just writing a blog? Or do you have one already that we can log in to.
Well, I have been asked regularly about starting a blog or putting my thoughts to paper and publishing my stories, but I don't want to handle the upkeep it would take to do that, plus I don't have the energy to do so. Also, I don't really want the pressure that would come with that. I like my anonymity and the freedom to say what I please when I please without having to be on a schedule.

cobalt60
03-03-2012, 06:37 PM
Well, I have been asked regularly about starting a blog or putting my thoughts to paper and publishing my stories, but I don't want to handle the upkeep it would take to do that, plus I don't have the energy to do so. Also, I don't really want the pressure that would come with that. I like my anonymity and the freedom to say what I please when I please without having to be on a schedule.

A blog would allow you do exactly what you already do on MTF without pressure, need for increased energy or scheduling.

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 07:02 PM
Well, the difference is, having a blog requires upkeep. You have fans to consider. And you're speaking to a larger, more public audience. Whereas here, I can just login whenever I want, without thinking of any of these things. Fewer strings attached.

I want to keep this thread OT, so I will be starting a personal chat thread again, where I can discuss all things like this there.

Kat_YYZ
03-03-2012, 07:59 PM
just one note about fat and looks, Filo.
I used to work with a lady who ate "no-fat" and "low-fat" everything and was obsessed with cutting fat, because her doctor said she had high cholesterol.* Her skin always looked dry and dull to me, and her hair was dead like straw. Good that you're eating fish, as there are healthy fatty oils there. So make sure you're getting some fat and that it's the healthy kind.
http://www.webmd.com/healthy-beauty/features/natural-skin-care-skinny-fats
I'm sure you want nice skin and hair :)

*she didn't have high cholesterol because she ate badly before; others in her family had it, too. There is a genetic disorder where the body just can't process cholesterol properly.

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 11:07 PM
just one note about fat and looks, Filo.
I used to work with a lady who ate "no-fat" and "low-fat" everything and was obsessed with cutting fat, because her doctor said she had high cholesterol.* Her skin always looked dry and dull to me, and her hair was dead like straw. Good that you're eating fish, as there are healthy fatty oils there. So make sure you're getting some fat and that it's the healthy kind.
http://www.webmd.com/healthy-beauty/features/natural-skin-care-skinny-fats
I'm sure you want nice skin and hair :)

*she didn't have high cholesterol because she ate badly before; others in her family had it, too. There is a genetic disorder where the body just can't process cholesterol properly.
Funny that you brought up fat...............I just discussed that a few days ago with my folks, and I was like, I hate fat and anything that has fat in it, I don't want to eat it. Anything with fat, sodium or high-sugar content I run away from. I actually have great skin, very smooth.........my face, I always lotion it every morning when I wake up and every night before sleep, my hands too. My hair definitely feels more stringy than it used to be, though. My hair traditionally curled and got tight when long but it's easier for me now to comb through my hair or put my hands through it.

Maybe I'll take a fish oil pill every morning. I think that would be a good way to add some healthy fat into my diet. Thanks for telling me that story, I'm sorry for your co-worker. Is she doing better now?

Filo V.
03-03-2012, 11:12 PM
Today I had two small-ish sized bowls of oatmeal and spicy peas+broccoli and a salad with some tomato. I've changed my routine a little bit in that I've finished eating around 6:00 PM the last few nights. So now I can have 5 bottles of water per day.

Tomorrow I'm having strawberries for sure (either during the morning or afternoon, not quite sure yet but I'm thinking afternoon), and fish for dinner, with probably a salad with it.

Arkulari
03-04-2012, 12:51 AM
Nah..........I didn't have you pegged for that :lol: I just wasn't sure, but I expected a lot of meat, because that's what I think is popular in Spain, or at least from what I've seen. A lot of meat. Reading it from behind a computer, it sounds delicious, like regular food. But actually being in the presence of that much meat would be a different story :bolt:

I eat meat and ham but I also mix it with fish and seafood which is very common in Spain to do ;)

Mountaindewslave
03-04-2012, 05:57 AM
I think more than an eating disorder you have an obsession with looking good, narcissism and you care too much about what people think about your looks.

For what I can see here, people eat too little LOL, I have lots of vegetables, seafood and like to make most things from scratch if I can but since I grew up with a Mediterranean diet and I exercise quite a bit + my metabolism being fast then I can pretty much eat what I want (even if I really don't like greasy food but for the taste) without thinking "OMG THIS IS GOING TO MY HIPS!"

Honestly, you would die knowing what I eat daily :lol:

It is important to look good FOR YOURSELF but when your self-esteem is only linked to that, you know you have a problem, and it's not like BITCH PLEASE I DO WHAT I WANT, cutting up so much in your meals might give you health issues like gastritis.

Learn to like more things about yourself than being just a pretty boy (BTW: most of the skinny ones are really unappealing for both sexes) and try to enjoy food, not suffer through it.

i 100% agree with this post, put very very well. I think Filo V you obviously have some insecurity problems more than diet problems. what are you are eating is not really correct either as far as a healthy diet is concerned, but the reason you are eating this was is BECAUSE of your flawed way of thinking.
how you look matters, but life is not about only focusing on that? it is likely that your personality and like-ability in real life has went down with your obsessive eating patterns and (most likely) frequent discussion of worries and uncertainty's regarding what you eat and how good you look.

a healthy diet is not just salad and water. there are many vitamins the body needs. of course the body also needs a lot of protein and without that you will struggle to maintain a good figure. But like you have mentioned, your metabolism may or may not be slow and adding a lot of calories would likely result in a significant gain of weight?! Solution! exercise!

exercise is key. eating healthy alone does very little. even if you have the perfect diet recommended from a physician you would not be doing that well, and any doctor or trainer is going to repeat over and over - EXERCISE!.

your diet currently isn't that healthy and to make it more appropriate you need to definitely make sure you get plenty of carbohydrates (abandoning these entirely will make you feel weak in general) and protein and of course vitamins! popping vitamin pills daily does not work as well as some have made common myth, you need vitamins from varied types of food.

so exercise and eat other things than that very depressing and specific set of choices you have now. remember concentrating on how 'important' looks are is unwise as there are other things that are very important too (personality, hobbies, heck someone's eyes). focusing on image will make you sad because it is a flawed view of what is valuable to have in life! exercising also releases endorphins which helps make people feel happy.

maybe try running around the neighborhood daily for a few miles at good pace and/or take up something like yogo or..... tennis!?

so essentially if you change your perspective on life by stopping your horrible shallow attitude and eat a bit more robustly and begin to exercise frequently things will drastically improve! :)

Kat_YYZ
03-04-2012, 06:50 AM
Maybe I'll take a fish oil pill every morning. I think that would be a good way to add some healthy fat into my diet. Thanks for telling me that story, I'm sorry for your co-worker. Is she doing better now?

I don't know, I stopped working there in 2006. I'm sure she'll be okay if she sticks to that eating regimen of hers, but it's a bummer to have such a strict diet just to 'break even' on the cholesterol scale, while others around you eat whatever they want without the health risk.

Filo V.
03-04-2012, 05:47 PM
I'm eating strawberries right now and they taste very bitter. I rarely have eaten strawberries in the past; actually pretty much never outside of puddings or cake with strawberries on/in them. Not a fan but I'm still going to keep eating them.

My folks are eating pancakes. I love(d) pancakes and waffles, with a fried egg and a 1-2 sausage links. The last time I had pancakes or waffles was around October or November I'd say. It's been the past 4 months where I've cut basically everything out that I wanted to.

Filo V.
03-04-2012, 06:30 PM
i 100% agree with this post, put very very well. I think Filo V you obviously have some insecurity problems more than diet problems. what are you are eating is not really correct either as far as a healthy diet is concerned, but the reason you are eating this was is BECAUSE of your flawed way of thinking.
how you look matters, but life is not about only focusing on that? it is likely that your personality and like-ability in real life has went down with your obsessive eating patterns and (most likely) frequent discussion of worries and uncertainty's regarding what you eat and how good you look.I actually like obsessing with my looks :lol: That's the thing............that's the entire basis of why I eat the way I do, as you said, as I've said. My looks are my ace in the hole. While others have smarts, or athletic ability, that one thing that makes them unique, what I have is my appearance and attractiveness. The problem is, though, I wouldn't necessarily say my likability has decreased but people are scared for me. They're more worried about my looks than even I am, but in the opposite way----they think I need to gain weight. They think I am headed towards death. Particularly my grandmother.

I do frequently discuss my looks, though, I admit I'm paranoid about it, and my grandmom gets annoyed and tired of hearing about it, plus she gets sad about it. I'm not sure how others react to it, since I've always done it. My friends are looks-conscious too, at least most of my closest of close friends. The big concern for me is, yes, I love my looks, yes, I am focused on my appearance, but how much am I damaging my health and how can I maintain my attractiveness and improve it, yet actually be healthy. Because looks won't mean much if I'm dead in 6 months. That's my main concern.

I honestly don't consider my looks-consciousness a flaw, because looking good makes me happy. And looking good makes me feel good about myself. That, along with the positive attention it brings me, is why it's such a centralized focus of my life.

a healthy diet is not just salad and water. there are many vitamins the body needs. of course the body also needs a lot of protein and without that you will struggle to maintain a good figure. But like you have mentioned, your metabolism may or may not be slow and adding a lot of calories would likely result in a significant gain of weight?! Solution! exercise!

exercise is key. eating healthy alone does very little. even if you have the perfect diet recommended from a physician you would not be doing that well, and any doctor or trainer is going to repeat over and over - EXERCISE!.

your diet currently isn't that healthy and to make it more appropriate you need to definitely make sure you get plenty of carbohydrates (abandoning these entirely will make you feel weak in general) and protein and of course vitamins! popping vitamin pills daily does not work as well as some have made common myth, you need vitamins from varied types of food.Exercise..........I hate the thought of it, but I know I have to do it to be in shape and have the figure I ultimately hope for, and have the best muscle tone. But I don't necessarily agree that eating healthy alone does little solely because if you eat unhealthy, exercise is only going to get you back to square one. It takes a combination of exercise and eating healthy to be at your best, health wise.

I actually care more about my looks than my health, which is sort of fucked up and I know, ultimately, that isn't good, but it is what it is, that's where my mind is at. I honestly have thought "how the hell could I live being ugly." And combine that with my laziness, that is why I eat the way I do. I can probably restart exercising incrementally as I used to. I just have to get myself up for it and find the motivation and spark to drive me to exercise.

The boosting calories=gain weight thing is the biggest aversion to me boosting up my calorie intake. Because you body holds onto the calories as fat. Then you have to do extra exercise to burn that off. Once you get into the cycle it's hard to break.

I eat fruits and vegetables virtually every day, and those foods are generally vitamin-rich. What other foods do I eat to gain vitamins? I eat carbs virtually every day, too, with oatmeal. I know carbs are energy but they are also sugar. That's why I cut eating bread to 1-2 times a week only. But these are all things I can reconfigure and that's why I am asking everyone here, to gain knowledge on how I can maintain looking thin and sleek yet eat a healthier meal plan at the same time.

so exercise and eat other things than that very depressing and specific set of choices you have now. remember concentrating on how 'important' looks are is unwise as there are other things that are very important too (personality, hobbies, heck someone's eyes). focusing on image will make you sad because it is a flawed view of what is valuable to have in life! exercising also releases endorphins which helps make people feel happy.

maybe try running around the neighborhood daily for a few miles at good pace and/or take up something like yogo or..... tennis!? Running around the neighborhood sounds good! I used to do that every day. Actually I was jog to and from the gym virtually every morning, and the gym I go to is around 30 minutes-ish away, so it was a good run. I'm too clumsy to play tennis or any other sport at all well :lol: Exercising, well at least after you exercise I can understand feeling happy, because you've accomplished something productive. I didn't know what endorphins were until you brought it up, though. Based on what I've read it's a chemical that allows people to go beyond their natural physical limit when they are engaging in strenuous exercise. I can relate to that, because I know that when I worked out, I would hit a wall yet be able to force myself to continue mentally and then my body would catch up. I'm not sure if that's exactly what endorphins do but that's what I've experienced.

I think looks are very valuable because they give you things you wouldn't otherwise have without them, but I do understand that, yes, there are other things in life to focus on outside of looks. However, my appearance is my #1 thing. It doesn't make me sad to focus on appearance because my looks make me happy and bring me happiness and things I desire. We should all focus on our appearance and look good, for ourselves and to be presentable to others. Because ultimately, people judge you within a minute in this world, and you have to give off a good first impression. Looking good is extremely important to get where you want to go in the world.

You called my mentality horribly shallow, but I just consider it a different mentality than others have. I actually have no problem with the appearance obsession. That isn't my concern..............I don't see any need to improve that nor be criticized for it. I just want to ensure my physical safety, now and in the future. But thank you, you have given me a lot to think about and knowledge on some things I wasn't enlightened on :wavey:

Filo V.
03-04-2012, 06:36 PM
Tomorrow I'm going to eat a little more, because I've felt sort of weird today. My chest and overall..........I feel sort of light and my heart doesn't feel totally right. I don't feel bad, but my insides feel un-easy and maybe empty is the best way to describe it, sort of like I'm close to shutting down. Which is interesting since my actual energy level isn't that low.

What should I have tomorrow, all? I usually just have egg salad sandwiches or spaghetti when I want to divulge in more substantial food. Which one of those would you pick? I would really like both!

Mountaindewslave
03-04-2012, 08:59 PM
You called my mentality horribly shallow, but I just consider it a different mentality than others have. I actually have no problem with the appearance obsession. That isn't my concern..............I don't see any need to improve that nor be criticized for it. I just want to ensure my physical safety, now and in the future. But thank you, you have given me a lot to think about and knowledge on some things I wasn't enlightened on :wavey:

I just feel like a lot of physical health is associated with mental health you know? if we care about the wrong things and focus on them then sometimes are bodies do respond strangely. It's sort of like in the book Wuthering Heights, Catherine dies of a broken heart! she gets ill mostly based on things in her mind.

totally off topic but my point is having a healthy mindset can't hurt! i'm sure you have many great qualities, and guess what it may be surprising but even if you were obese or extremely ugly, I am certain people in your life would love you anyway!!

life is not about image but about character my friend. but i'm glad you checked out some of my ideas! I jog around the neighborhood daily when the weather is nice and feel like mixing up the colors and types of food I eat really helps me eating well and staying healthy.

best of luck with your image and figuring out your diet and exercise plan AND i sincerely hope you change up the meals a bit,
sincerely,
Mountaindewslave

Filo V.
03-05-2012, 12:43 AM
I just feel like a lot of physical health is associated with mental health you know? if we care about the wrong things and focus on them then sometimes are bodies do respond strangely. It's sort of like in the book Wuthering Heights, Catherine dies of a broken heart! she gets ill mostly based on things in her mind.I agree that mental health can and often does have an impact on physical health, either negative or positively. Ultimately, being a happy person and content with your life and who you are as an individual, comfort in your own skin, is extremely important. If you're not comfortable in your own skin and you're unhappy, your body will feel it, because of stress among other reasons. Others will see it and your life won't be as good.

When it comes to eating, it goes both ways, if you have a certain preoccupation or insecurity, it can cause you to eat too little or too much, and both have serious negative impacts on your health. I totally agree, that being mentally healthy is so important for your life to be the best it can possibly be.

totally off topic but my point is having a healthy mindset can't hurt! i'm sure you have many great qualities, and guess what it may be surprising but even if you were obese or extremely ugly, I am certain people in your life would love you anyway!!I know others would love me, but I wouldn't love myself as much. Which is probably a sad thing to say, and most would say "aha, that's the problem." I've honestly never really thought about it, but yeah. I know others love me for reasons not at all connected to my looks, and I do too, truly, I like my personality, I consider myself a good person. But I love my looks I guess more than I love the other aspects of my being. The problem with that is, looks fade and that's an extremely fragile way of seeing ones' self, but I'm happy, and ultimately, I consider that the important thing.

life is not about image but about character my friend. but i'm glad you checked out some of my ideas! I jog around the neighborhood daily when the weather is nice and feel like mixing up the colors and types of food I eat really helps me eating well and staying healthy.Mixing up foods is a fun way to make eating enjoyable and interesting; it's something I should incorporate more into my life. I like(d) jogging around my city and going through different neighborhoods and seeing different sights. I'll have to restart that routine, in fact I've been thinking about it for a while and plan to start doing this again when it gets a bit warmer. It's fun and relaxing.

best of luck with your image and figuring out your diet and exercise plan AND i sincerely hope you change up the meals a bit,
sincerely,
MountaindewslaveThank you for the well wishes.............I'm probably going to be forced into having to make some choices I don't want to and do some things differently. It's good to know I have people to talk to as a springboard and gain a bit of perspective and insight. Thanks again for the productive talk :wavey:

Filo V.
03-05-2012, 12:52 AM
Today I had a small-medium sized bowl of oatmeal, like 8 strawberries and then spicy fish and basically some cut fresh lettuce. The strawberries really filled me up although I didn't like eating them. Strawberries stimulate metabolism and suppress appetite, which is why I'm eating them now. Right now, my stomach feels sort of burny, since I ate the fish. Also had four bottles of cold water. Drinking the cold water really gives me chills but it's so refreshing, and also burns metabolism much quicker than regular-temperature water.

Tomorrow morning I'm having an apple for sure. Then I've still yet decide what to have for the rest of the day. I honestly think I have to eat more tomorrow just to stay alive through the day because at times today I just felt really off. I don't know if I can eat this small for another day without falling apart. The one positive is that my energy levels are actually pretty decent again tonight, like last night. The benefit of getting good sleep! Good sleep dramatically helps weight loss, too.

BroTree123
03-05-2012, 04:28 AM
Filo V, you ARE a disorder :lol:.

Nah jokes, your a decent bloke. At least you eat.

Arkulari
03-05-2012, 04:30 AM
I'm actually a big CrossFit fan these days, I try to do it at least 4 times a week and it helps with my archery a lot because my core is stronger and thus my aim is better.

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You don't need more than half an hour a day of this to be in a pretty good shape, I exercised more when I was in college because I played varsity volleyball but I actually feel fitter now.

Maybe you can find something that will make you look better without taking such a toll in your diet?

Filo V.
03-05-2012, 01:44 PM
I'm actually a big CrossFit fan these days, I try to do it at least 4 times a week and it helps with my archery a lot because my core is stronger and thus my aim is better.


You don't need more than half an hour a day of this to be in a pretty good shape, I exercised more when I was in college because I played varsity volleyball but I actually feel fitter now.

Maybe you can find something that will make you look better without taking such a toll in your diet?
That cross-fit video looks like a lot of strenuous physical action :tape:

But yeah, that's going to have to be my goal. I actually like eating lighter but I have to get out of the territory I'm in now, where I'm basically starving and balance out my eating routine. If/when I do start working out again, though, I think I'll start with some simple jogging rather than doing the pull-up bars (which I dread........not good experiences when I was young attempting to do that exercise) and weight training :lol:

Filo V.
03-05-2012, 01:48 PM
Nah jokes, your a decent bloke. At least you eat.Thanks........and yeah, I may not eat a lot, but I do actually want to live, eating is sort of essential to ensure ones' survival for any extended period of time :lol:

Filo V.
03-05-2012, 01:53 PM
Decided on what I'm having today..............egg salad sandwiches it is. It's easy to make and it's the healthiest option to have. Plus, it's filling and I can have a green with it and be satisfied for hours.

Had an apple for breakfast, gonna have a bottle of water within the next 30 minutes, and then the rest of the day it's gonna be the sandwiches.

Arkulari
03-05-2012, 04:21 PM
That cross-fit video looks like a lot of strenuous physical action :tape:

But yeah, that's going to have to be my goal. I actually like eating lighter but I have to get out of the territory I'm in now, where I'm basically starving and balance out my eating routine. If/when I do start working out again, though, I think I'll start with some simple jogging rather than doing the pull-up bars (which I dread........not good experiences when I was young attempting to do that exercise) and weight training :lol:

I've always been very active, loved sports forever and thus this isn't as hard for me ;)

Filo V.
03-06-2012, 02:32 AM
So today was my egg-salad day, and I definitely do feel better tonight :) My body is still tired, at least my insides feel heavy, my energy level isn't necessarily high. But I feel emotionally more perky right now. It's nice to enjoy eating without restriction once in a while.

Naudio Spanlatine
03-06-2012, 02:41 AM
well lets just say my exercising and getting into shape is poor, along with my eating habits, thats all folks:tape: :tape: :bolt:

Topspindoctor
03-06-2012, 04:31 AM
Eating meat and drinking plenty of JD is the only way to live. None of that pansy vegetarian bullshit.

For more info visit http://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime - these guys are fucking legends.

BroTree123
03-06-2012, 04:49 AM
Eating meat and drinking plenty of JD is the only way to live. None of that pansy vegetarian bullshit.

For more info visit http://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime - these guys are fucking legends.

It's the fuckin' way to go :bowdown:.

Filo V.
03-06-2012, 12:26 PM
Sorry, I'm not a douchebag, so I wouldn't really relate to anything a douchebag does/advises..............and the guys in that video seem like complete and total douchebags. Thanks anyway :tape:

BroTree123
03-06-2012, 12:50 PM
Sorry, I'm not a douchebag, so I wouldn't really relate to anything a douchebag does/advises..............and the guys in that video seem like complete and total douchebags. Thanks anyway :tape:

Hater :lol:.

Topspindoctor
03-06-2012, 01:00 PM
Douchebags? Those guys are awesome. Meatzza rules :rocker2:

Filo V.
03-06-2012, 02:05 PM
Those guys are awesome. Meatzza rules :rocker2:
Like I said, I don't relate to douchebags :wavey:

Filo V.
03-06-2012, 02:07 PM
Hater :lol:.

:shrug:

Naudio Spanlatine
03-06-2012, 03:16 PM
Eating meat and drinking plenty of JD is the only way to live. None of that pansy vegetarian bullshit.

For more info visit http://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime - these guys are fucking legends.
Frozen meals rule:rocker2: :rocker2:

these guys are hilarious:superlol: :superlol:


Bacon:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Mimi
03-07-2012, 08:27 AM
I'm eating strawberries right now and they taste very bitter. I rarely have eaten strawberries in the past; actually pretty much never outside of puddings or cake with strawberries on/in them. Not a fan but I'm still going to keep eating them.

My folks are eating pancakes. I love(d) pancakes and waffles, with a fried egg and a 1-2 sausage links. The last time I had pancakes or waffles was around October or November I'd say. It's been the past 4 months where I've cut basically everything out that I wanted to.

didn't eat your favourite food for 4 months, holy god, you are my idol, i think i can only do it, by the maximum of 4 days :devil:

Filo V.
03-08-2012, 12:15 AM
Stress is really bad for your stomach while it's digesting food you've eaten. I got upset about a tennis result and it's affected my stomach, since it sort of hurts now and feels blocked up. I should have kept my cool. I read that stress severely damages digestive abilities and makes food less enjoyable to eat. So make sure when you're eating and at least 30 minutes after you've eaten you take the time to relax and release your mind of any ills that could result in stress!

Filo V.
03-08-2012, 12:16 AM
didn't eat your favourite food for 4 months, holy god, you are my idol, i think i can only do it, by the maximum of 4 days :devil:
Well yesterday I had three bowls of spaghetti so I'm not completely controlled in what I eat; sometimes a lapse into my old habits is inevitable :lol:

Seth82
03-08-2012, 01:37 AM
wasn't feeling too hungry tonight so I had a bowl of Romaine Lettuce salad

Filo V.
03-08-2012, 01:42 AM
I had some spicy brussel sprouts and some salad myself. The brussel sprouts were actually too spicy but they tasted great; I really could have them almost every day.

BroTree123
03-08-2012, 05:09 AM
I had some spicy brussel sprouts and some salad myself. The brussel sprouts were actually too spicy but they tasted great; I really could have them almost every day.

Never had them spicy before. Ever had deep fried brussel sprouts? They're actually pretty good shit even though they look blackened. Had some in an Argentinian restaurant. Not to eat on a day-to-day basis though.

Filo V.
03-08-2012, 01:10 PM
I rarely ate fried food even before my new mean plan so I can't say I've had deep fried brussel sprouts :lol:

Filo V.
03-08-2012, 01:12 PM
My mentality has changed the past few days. I'm a lot less strict and less paranoid about what I eat now. I'm more loose about what I want to eat. But today I'm just going to have oatmeal, a banana, some salad and fish and a green. After all the fiber/carbs I had with spaghetti on Tuesday I need to take a couple days off heavy eating :o

BroTree123
03-08-2012, 01:18 PM
Lol alright. But in general, I actually don't mind brussel sprouts. I like that bitter, earthy flavour that it gives. Raw or cooked (in many ways), I don't mind.

Fuck man, should start like a Yummy Food thread, so peeps can post pics of food and/or recipe on how to make it or whatever.. (or is there a similar existing thread already?)

Filo V.
03-09-2012, 04:17 AM
Brussel sprouts are my second favorite green. I just love to be able to bite into them when they are soft, the juices from them. Just delicious all around.

I saw your food thread, it's cool but I don't see myself eating most of the stuff that has been mentioned in the thread :lol:

Filo V.
03-09-2012, 04:19 AM
I got wrapped up in the tennis and didn't have dinner tonight. Major mistake. So I'm going to have to make sure to eat a little earlier tomorrow so if I do get invested in the tennis again to the point I can't keep my eyes off the scoreboard, I would have eaten beforehand.

Filo V.
03-18-2012, 03:11 PM
I've been eating a TON of spaghetti recently. I've gotten less concerned about what I eat recently. And with that, I've been really basically addicted to spaghetti and tonight I'm having lasagna. Of course, I only eat wheat noodles, of course, and low fat, low sodium tomato sauce. So my weight and appearance is still a focus, but you just can't pass up good food!

Johnny Groove
03-18-2012, 05:51 PM
Dude, if you're gonna have so much pasta, all those carbs, you gotta burn it off. Go running, lift weights, play an hour or two of tennis or something. Otherwise, it's gonna turn to fat :shrug:

And definitely don't eat right before going to bed, that's the worst. But also make sure you don't go to bed starving, as that is also unhealthy.

Me, I like to eat a good hour or two before bed, and when I wake up, I've lost more than when I don't eat at all.

Bagelicious
03-19-2012, 12:05 AM
I've been eating a TON of spaghetti recently. I've gotten less concerned about what I eat recently. And with that, I've been really basically addicted to spaghetti and tonight I'm having lasagna. Of course, I only eat wheat noodles, of course, and low fat, low sodium tomato sauce. So my weight and appearance is still a focus, but you just can't pass up good food!

After going through this entire thread, this is a good thing. Your mentality and attitude toward food is really unhealthy - if you want to keep weight off and look good you can still eat waaaay more than you're currently eating.

Also, as someone else mentioned, the body needs fat to function. And if you want to look good, you need to include some fat, because people who are too skinny don't look good either.

Your earlier posts sound like a classic case of anorexia in the early stages - that disease centres around severely controlling food and calorie intake to the point that it becomes your whole identity, and you feel good/bad based on what you've eaten.

Your self-esteem shouldn't come from food/not eating, because there is so much more to you as a person than what you eat and how you look.

Out of curiosity - what are the other things that you care about? Family/friends, school/career, hobbies?

Some of your posts also sound as though you're suffering from some depression (feeling numb, etc.), which is something that I've had to deal with in the past. Not eating & sleeping enough definitely plays a role in that, and it might partly explain why you're fixated on your looks to the exclusion of everything else.

Anyway, that was a really long post, and it sounds as though you're already easing up with the food, so that's a really good sign. I wish you all the best.

Lopez
03-19-2012, 12:29 AM
Dude, if you're gonna have so much pasta, all those carbs, you gotta burn it off. Go running, lift weights, play an hour or two of tennis or something. Otherwise, it's gonna turn to fat :shrug:

And definitely don't eat right before going to bed, that's the worst. But also make sure you don't go to bed starving, as that is also unhealthy.

Me, I like to eat a good hour or two before bed, and when I wake up, I've lost more than when I don't eat at all.

If it's under the basic consumption, then it won't turn to fat.

Cooked pasta has around 100 calories per 100 grams. So you'd have to eat 2kg of it to get 2000 calories.

Filo V.
03-19-2012, 02:10 AM
After going through this entire thread, this is a good thing. Your mentality and attitude toward food is really unhealthy - if you want to keep weight off and look good you can still eat waaaay more than you're currently eating.

Also, as someone else mentioned, the body needs fat to function. And if you want to look good, you need to include some fat, because people who are too skinny don't look good either.I've never really realized/though of my mentality towards food as being unhealthy, really until I got here. Is it delusion, is it ignorance, I don't know. I've never seen myself as hating food or anti-food but maybe I am. I'm still focused about eating healthy but the past week has been a lot of fun and I'm just enjoying eating what I like to eat. That's a good thing, I know. But I would still trade it all in for the perfect look. Right now it's just not in my mind----tennis has actually preoccupied my mind and I think that's probably why I've been focusing less on my looks.

I agree about being too skinny not being attractive. I've honestly been borderline scared of fat.........in the sense that, if I see something that has much or any fat at all, I'll flat out run away from eating it. Completely will not eat it and will delete it as an option to eat from my mind. I've always thought I can maintain a healthy-but-thin weight while also cutting fat, that I can have little-to-no fat at all but also look cut and trim, without being gaunt. It's going to be hard for me to change, I have to change my mentality towards fat to feel comfortable about eating some. Even right now I feel a little uncomfortable talking about it.

Your earlier posts sound like a classic case of anorexia in the early stages - that disease centres around severely controlling food and calorie intake to the point that it becomes your whole identity, and you feel good/bad based on what you've eaten.

Your self-esteem shouldn't come from food/not eating, because there is so much more to you as a person than what you eat and how you look. I think my self-esteem revolves more around looks than eating...........that's why I've never really seen myself as having an eating disorder or being anti-food, because everything comes back to looks for me. At the same time I do agree and see what you're saying, that my identity and how I feel about myself many days comes down to solely what I eat. Well, if I eat something I think will hurt my looks. And that sort of paranoia isn't a good thing, reading up on the symptoms of anorexia I definitely have fit some of the traits and that's sort of weird to think about. I know there is more to me than my looks but even right now when I'm not really thinking about my looks, I still see it as my #1 attribute. I still think about working up, getting in perfect shape and looking sexy. The problem I guess comes in where I guess I don't really like the way I look which is why I'm so obsessive and paranoid over it.

Out of curiosity - what are the other things that you care about? Family/friends, school/career, hobbies?The #1 thing I care about are my friends who I absolutely love and adore and get me through the bad times, and my community, the gay community, and our straight allies. By a wide margin, it's the #1 thing I care about. LGBTQ children in schools, LGBTQ homeless, HIV within the gay community, all the serious issues, all the minor issues. Also I care about my grandmother deeply because she's basically the one who I look up to, the one who took the most/best care for me when I was young, and I love her so much for everything she's done for me.

Some of your posts also sound as though you're suffering from some depression (feeling numb, etc.), which is something that I've had to deal with in the past. Not eating & sleeping enough definitely plays a role in that, and it might partly explain why you're fixated on your looks to the exclusion of everything else.I definitely think I suffer from a depression to some extent. I think sometimes I'm too emotionally vulnerable and sensitive for my own good. The stories about gay teens committing suicide, and gay bashings across the world, politicians going out of their way to denigrate and discriminate against the gay community, the fact we're not respected as a community as other groups are and there is still so much ignorance surrounding the issue of homosexuality. That has a severe impact on my view of the world and life in general. It makes me uptight a lot, and it makes me anxious. More than that, it makes me sad. And it's not even a personal thing since I've never personally been discriminated against ever and my friends all love me and accept me. But it's like I don't feel totally free. Even on this forum, I've been attacked on NUMEROUS occasions on the basis of my sexuality. It makes me feel like an outcast, and misunderstood. And then I feel foolish for caring so much. I try not to care and I say I don't care, sometimes I succeed, but other times like right now, I feel hurt and sadness.

Does that end up coming back to my looks and why I'm so fixated on that? Maybe, I guess, I'm really not sure. I don't tend to think of anything else but my appearance when I get in those zones where I focus solely on my looks. I just think about being hot. Thinking about that now, I feel pretty not OK about that and mad at myself a bit because I think I represent the gay community badly when I act like that, and I feel like it's degrading to the gay community and to myself. But I love the attention my looks give me, and I'm extremely conscious about it whenever I go out anywhere.

Anyway, that was a really long post, and it sounds as though you're already easing up with the food, so that's a really good sign. I wish you all the best.Thank you, long is fine, it means you have a lot of constructive thoughts going through your head and that's a great thing! I'm just living, trying to at least. It's hard sometimes, and I should count myself lucky, I could have it SOOOOO much worse. I'm not sure if I'm actually happy or not. I have to figure that out, figure out if I'm missing something in my life, if I'm really empty or not. I don't know, it's crazy, a lot of thoughts and emotions. The food thing is still there, but as of right now it's not a focus so I guess it's good. As long as my mind and taste buds are totally desiring pasta that's basically what I'm going to keep eating.

Filo V.
03-19-2012, 03:59 AM
Dude, if you're gonna have so much pasta, all those carbs, you gotta burn it off. Go running, lift weights, play an hour or two of tennis or something. Otherwise, it's gonna turn to fat :shrug:I have been...........I've gone out the past like 4 days to walk around and get my body moving. Especially since pasta gives me energy, since carbs=sugar, and yes, I know pasta can be extremely fattening so I've had to essentially force myself to start mini-exercising to off-set that. The downside is that I've been going to sleep later because I feel less tired at night :o

And definitely don't eat right before going to bed, that's the worst. But also make sure you don't go to bed starving, as that is also unhealthy.

Me, I like to eat a good hour or two before bed, and when I wake up, I've lost more than when I don't eat at all.I never eat past 8:00 PM and I usually like to go to sleep around midnight, so definitely agree to never eat before going to bed. I always drink some water about an hour before bed and then right when I wake up to clean my insides and also to self-hydrate.

Filo V.
03-19-2012, 04:01 AM
If it's under the basic consumption, then it won't turn to fat.

Cooked pasta has around 100 calories per 100 grams. So you'd have to eat 2kg of it to get 2000 calories.
Well I think I should be safe then.............maybe at least I don't think I eat that much in a day :scared:

AliceMariaRenka
03-30-2012, 08:48 PM
Today is my egg salad day, meaning a cheat day. I usually have one or two cheat days per week to eat egg salad, spaghetti, chicken, something of the sort.

Then I make up for it by cutting back for several days consecutively. So tomorrow, I'll have an apple for breakfast, salad for lunch, and probably a green and more salad for dinner, or maybe fish and a green. And that will be virtually no sodium, little cholesterol, and 500 calories or less. Do that for several days, and everything is fine. No exercise yet lose weight; it's perfect!!!

That does sound like how many people start and then get gripped with a disorder.

To be healthy you need to be your correct weight through eating and exercising. If you're slim solely through eating salad and cutting back on calories then you will bloat up as soon as you eat normally.

I would get some professional advice quickly.

AliceMariaRenka
03-30-2012, 08:59 PM
I've never really realized/though of my mentality towards food as being unhealthy, really until I got here. Is it delusion, is it ignorance, I don't know. I've never seen myself as hating food or anti-food but maybe I am. I'm still focused about eating healthy but the past week has been a lot of fun and I'm just enjoying eating what I like to eat. That's a good thing, I know. But I would still trade it all in for the perfect look. Right now it's just not in my mind----tennis has actually preoccupied my mind and I think that's probably why I've been focusing less on my looks.

I agree about being too skinny not being attractive. I've honestly been borderline scared of fat.........in the sense that, if I see something that has much or any fat at all, I'll flat out run away from eating it. Completely will not eat it and will delete it as an option to eat from my mind. I've always thought I can maintain a healthy-but-thin weight while also cutting fat, that I can have little-to-no fat at all but also look cut and trim, without being gaunt. It's going to be hard for me to change, I have to change my mentality towards fat to feel comfortable about eating some. Even right now I feel a little uncomfortable talking about it.

I think my self-esteem revolves more around looks than eating...........that's why I've never really seen myself as having an eating disorder or being anti-food, because everything comes back to looks for me. At the same time I do agree and see what you're saying, that my identity and how I feel about myself many days comes down to solely what I eat. Well, if I eat something I think will hurt my looks. And that sort of paranoia isn't a good thing, reading up on the symptoms of anorexia I definitely have fit some of the traits and that's sort of weird to think about. I know there is more to me than my looks but even right now when I'm not really thinking about my looks, I still see it as my #1 attribute. I still think about working up, getting in perfect shape and looking sexy. The problem I guess comes in where I guess I don't really like the way I look which is why I'm so obsessive and paranoid over it.

The #1 thing I care about are my friends who I absolutely love and adore and get me through the bad times, and my community, the gay community, and our straight allies. By a wide margin, it's the #1 thing I care about. LGBTQ children in schools, LGBTQ homeless, HIV within the gay community, all the serious issues, all the minor issues. Also I care about my grandmother deeply because she's basically the one who I look up to, the one who took the most/best care for me when I was young, and I love her so much for everything she's done for me.

I definitely think I suffer from a depression to some extent. I think sometimes I'm too emotionally vulnerable and sensitive for my own good. The stories about gay teens committing suicide, and gay bashings across the world, politicians going out of their way to denigrate and discriminate against the gay community, the fact we're not respected as a community as other groups are and there is still so much ignorance surrounding the issue of homosexuality. That has a severe impact on my view of the world and life in general. It makes me uptight a lot, and it makes me anxious. More than that, it makes me sad. And it's not even a personal thing since I've never personally been discriminated against ever and my friends all love me and accept me. But it's like I don't feel totally free. Even on this forum, I've been attacked on NUMEROUS occasions on the basis of my sexuality. It makes me feel like an outcast, and misunderstood. And then I feel foolish for caring so much. I try not to care and I say I don't care, sometimes I succeed, but other times like right now, I feel hurt and sadness.

Does that end up coming back to my looks and why I'm so fixated on that? Maybe, I guess, I'm really not sure. I don't tend to think of anything else but my appearance when I get in those zones where I focus solely on my looks. I just think about being hot. Thinking about that now, I feel pretty not OK about that and mad at myself a bit because I think I represent the gay community badly when I act like that, and I feel like it's degrading to the gay community and to myself. But I love the attention my looks give me, and I'm extremely conscious about it whenever I go out anywhere.

Thank you, long is fine, it means you have a lot of constructive thoughts going through your head and that's a great thing! I'm just living, trying to at least. It's hard sometimes, and I should count myself lucky, I could have it SOOOOO much worse. I'm not sure if I'm actually happy or not. I have to figure that out, figure out if I'm missing something in my life, if I'm really empty or not. I don't know, it's crazy, a lot of thoughts and emotions. The food thing is still there, but as of right now it's not a focus so I guess it's good. As long as my mind and taste buds are totally desiring pasta that's basically what I'm going to keep eating.

There are lots and lots of people who don't care if someone is gay or not, and understand and believe it is as normal to be gay as straight. People don't choose their sexuality. They are who they are. It may be tougher in America, but many people here in Britain share my view. Mu uncle is gay and is as happy and successful as anyone else and no one cares. He is a successful business man with a successful partner. I see him a lot and love him to bits.

Take heart from the fact decent people and many people don't care if you're gay, rather than from fixating on food and being thin. Anyway, I think you'll find many gay men prefer chunkier boyfriends - my uncle and his partner are both chunky and people think they're wonderful! It's how you come across to other people too that counts. Take care:wavey:

Bagelicious
06-04-2012, 02:20 AM
The #1 thing I care about are my friends who I absolutely love and adore and get me through the bad times, and my community, the gay community, and our straight allies. By a wide margin, it's the #1 thing I care about. LGBTQ children in schools, LGBTQ homeless, HIV within the gay community, all the serious issues, all the minor issues.



It's perfectly okay to get sensitive about these issues - they affect your life everyday, especially when sometimes it feels like a constant fight to get people to acknowledge you just as you are.

I don't know how active you are in the gay community, but I think getting out there, being part of a volunteer program for teens or working with organisations that focus on these issues would be something that would make a difference for you. It's meaningful to you and it'll help you feel less anxious about the issues you face when you know that you're doing something to change the situation - not just for you, but for other people out there.