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Marseilli QF: Llodra routines some challenger named Olivetti 7-6(5) 7-5

MuzzahLovah
02-24-2012, 03:38 PM
Too sexy again.

KaiserT
02-24-2012, 03:39 PM
Just shows how disgustingly bad Fish's efforts were.

romismak
02-24-2012, 03:41 PM
Hope bandwagon ends here.. Olivetti won 5 points on return in 12 Llodra´s service games and Tie-break, c´mmon such statistcis are bad even for Karlovic... Llodra was good, Ollivetti was rushing net like idiot, decent returner-passing-shot would break him more than once for sure

MuzzahLovah
02-24-2012, 03:41 PM
Llodra won 96% of 1st serve points and had 37 winners to 5 unforced errors.

Agrajag
02-24-2012, 03:43 PM
Allez Mika!

Win this tournament please.

m9m9m9m9m9
02-24-2012, 03:43 PM
Actually not many players stand a chance against Llodra serving at 80% on a fast indoor court..
but Olivetti needs to work on his return big time

Voo de Mar
02-24-2012, 03:45 PM
Totally expected.

Isner at the age of 22, Karlovic at the age of 24 played their breakthrough tournaments, so very optimistic result here for 20-year-old Olivetti. These type of guys needs experience above all, knowledge how to use the biggest weapon. Today Olivetti served two double faults in the tie-break (having served 1 in six service games before) and at 5:5 (30-40) in the 2nd set delivered the 1st serve weaker than his standard 2nd serve (and it was fault serve!) - these are unacceptable mistakes for this type of player which obviously had to cost him the match.

duong
02-24-2012, 03:47 PM
Olivetti's first serve percentage in this match was 62%, it was 49% against Fish.

MuzzahLovah
02-24-2012, 03:47 PM
Actually not many players stand a chance against Llodra serving at 80% on a fast indoor court..
but Olivetti needs to work on his return big time

Llodra wasn't serving this well last match- it's just Olivetti has no return game what so ever and put no pressure on him.

ossie
02-24-2012, 03:49 PM
id be lying if i said that this is the worst match i have ever seen because it was so bad i couldnt watch more than 10 minutes of this mugfest.

duong
02-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Isner at the age of 22, Karlovic at the age of 24 played their breakthrough tournaments.

Isner is a special case, he had concurred for his university before and had just turned pro, I think, when he reached that final in Washington 2007. He needed very little experience among pros.

Voo de Mar
02-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Isner is a special case, he had concurred for his university before and had just turned pro, I think, when he reached that final in Washington 2007. He needed very little experience among pros.

But plenty of tie-breaks he played at the university helped him in Washington in winning 7-6 in the 3rd against anyone. With this power in serve doesn't really matter whether returns guy ranked 5 or 245.

romismak
02-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Actually not many players stand a chance against Llodra serving at 80% on a fast indoor court..
but Olivetti needs to work on his return big time

Because of such high FS% llodra´s 1st serve wasn´t that good, if he was going for much better FS, his FS% would be lower, BTW Llodra´s serve is pretty predictable from AD side, he is almost 80-90% using his lefty-serve wide, so really if someone can´t prepare better and read better serve, really can´t expect to win matches. Also his serve wasn´t so special, i mean he was hitting hard o.k. 220-230km/h and more but no placement, few aces, but then once ball came back his rushing net style wasn´t able many times control ball which came back pretty fast- what is logical that how faster you serve fater the ball came back at you. He has potential nice to see someone new who can make noise, but his return sucks big time and his 2nd serve too risky, too many DF´. 1st serve not best placement and not great tactics back-up your serve with volleys all the time

duong
02-24-2012, 03:56 PM
But plenty of tie-breaks he played at the university helped him in Washington in winning 7-6 in the 3rd against anyone.

yes he sais himself this experience helped him, but I wonder if Isner might not have emerged earlier if he had turned pro earlier :shrug:

MuzzahLovah
02-24-2012, 03:56 PM
id be lying if i said that this is the worst match i have ever seen because it was so bad i couldnt watch more than 10 minutes of this mugfest.

Llodra played great. :shrug:

Shirogane
02-24-2012, 04:04 PM
Mentally demanding match, but good for Llodra to save energy for tomorrow's encounter. Lost very few points on serve, and took advantage of the dips in Olivetti's form. Still a great week for the young Frenchman and hopefully will keep building on it; also, gave a very nice interview afterward. :)

Adri89
02-24-2012, 04:17 PM
I hope that people who are crying about the less speed of the surfaces and the death of S/V enjoy this match. 90's tennis all the way. 2 rallies in the whole match.

I enjoy it but not for those reason. I hope to see Olivetti improve this year but he need time : remember the guy isn't even a challenger player, he won only one match in this division. As Voo said, with this kind of player doesn't matter that the player who is returning is 5th or 250th so I hope to see him getting closer and closer to the top 100. He has to make his proof on the challenger level now.

Don't forget either that Olivetti was able to serve several times over 230km/h with an abdominal problem which perturbed his ball's launch on serve...

Mateya
02-24-2012, 04:53 PM
Olivetti :hug: :worship:
Really made this week interesting, a huge guy coming out of nowhere and then beating Bachinger and Fish. Great result for his first main tour event.

But I'm kind of sceptical about his progress because of this:
Return points won: 5/58 :help:

This is just unacceptable for any decent top 100 player. I know Llodra indoors can be a beast, but winning five points in 12 return games is just a horrible stat which you see extremely rarely thesedays.
The other thing which stands out are those double faults. He should take some pace of the 2nd serve sometimes. But this is a thing he can fix easily and get the balance of risking or playing safe right. Not sure about the return and baseline game though.
Best wishes to Safin lookalike. :wavey:

mooncreek
02-24-2012, 05:17 PM
It shows what Fish should have done if he'd just bothered to find out who his opponent was before getting on the court.

Llodra served so high a % because he knew he'd be under no pressure on the return.

Shirogane
02-24-2012, 05:27 PM
I hope that people who are crying about the less speed of the surfaces and the death of S/V enjoy this match. 90's tennis all the way. 2 rallies in the whole match.Maybe a bit of an exaggeration to say every match on real fast courts used to be like that?

Adri89
02-24-2012, 05:44 PM
Maybe a bit of an exaggeration to say every match on real fast courts used to be like that?

I didn't say it and you're right.

Shirogane
02-24-2012, 06:23 PM
My bad. That said, you do want to play the guy on those "give 'em new balls, and it's medium again" types of courts. :lol: Although, I'm pretty certain he would still hit many aces, even on clay...

Yves.
02-24-2012, 06:32 PM
Olivetti was too inconsistent on serve and couldn't get many returns in. The first set tie break was really weird; two double faults from Olivetti (while he served amazing the earlier in the set) and moments later he hit a beautiful backhand passing shot.

*Jean*
02-24-2012, 08:36 PM
Marseilli :tape:

awful match, two rallies in the whole match. I was there and fell asleep.

Li Ching Yuen
02-24-2012, 08:41 PM
Marseilli :tape:

awful match, two rallies in the whole match. I was there and fell asleep.

Why not travel to Nice and watch only rallies a few months from now?

Shirogane
02-24-2012, 10:39 PM
Marseilli :tape:

awful match, two rallies in the whole match. I was there and fell asleep.Kind of expected, between two serve and volley players. We were lucky to have two rallies, too bad one of them had to be cut short by a net cord. :lol: