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Can Roger do what Agassi did in his 30s?

stewietennis
02-24-2012, 04:18 AM
There's no doubt that Nadal and Djokovic are probably the two fittest athletes on the ATP at the moment and being 5-6 years younger than Federer helps them quite a lot in their matches against him. If Roger underwent the rigorous training regimen that Andre Agassi undertook in his 30s, can Roger become more competitive against the Top 2? Or will too much exercise have a negative impact on his play style?

leng jai
02-24-2012, 04:30 AM
Maybe.

People need to stop comparing every player over 30 to Agassi though. The guy spent a good deal of his 20s enjoying himself.

Ajde.

BigJohn
02-24-2012, 04:33 AM
Well first he'd have to do meth, and that appears to be unlikely to happen.

Chase Visa
02-24-2012, 05:35 AM
Less motivation for Federer.

tripwires
02-24-2012, 05:39 AM
Yes.

MuzzahLovah
02-24-2012, 06:00 AM
No.

scoutreporter
02-24-2012, 06:23 AM
Roger, like he and many other experts said, feels like he is en the best form of hes life. And I bealive them, and him. So, that means that he is still peaking, and he is playing against Nole and Rafa at hes peak. Not like, when Rafa and Nole first came to the scene, and in Nole's case, Roger won the first 4 matches while Nole was a headcase and teen. Its not like, back than, when Roger was in hes peak prime (like he is now) where he had huge advantage over teens. Nole and rafa don't have as big advantage against peak federer now, like he did against them the first 4 years of their carrers. So shut up fedtards. I know its hard to swollow, that noone sees federer as a GOAT exept hes own fans. It must be frustrating, that he is not even GOAT in hes own era:-) And when he finishes his carrer, his h2h against both rafa and nole will be negative...

jcempire
02-24-2012, 06:38 AM
who knows??

jcempire
02-24-2012, 06:38 AM
31 years old Roger still plays great tennis in today

tripwires
02-24-2012, 07:17 AM
Roger, like he and many other experts said, feels like he is en the best form of hes life. And I bealive them, and him. So, that means that he is still peaking, and he is playing against Nole and Rafa at hes peak. Not like, when Rafa and Nole first came to the scene, and in Nole's case, Roger won the first 4 matches while Nole was a headcase and teen. Its not like, back than, when Roger was in hes peak prime (like he is now) where he had huge advantage over teens. Nole and rafa don't have as big advantage against peak federer now, like he did against them the first 4 years of their carrers. So shut up fedtards. I know its hard to swollow, that noone sees federer as a GOAT exept hes own fans. It must be frustrating, that he is not even GOAT in hes own era:-) And when he finishes his carrer, his h2h against both rafa and nole will be negative...

Appalling grammar and spelling aside, one has to wonder if you're really 28.

GSMnadal
02-24-2012, 07:29 AM
who knows??

I do. He can't.

Time Violation
02-24-2012, 07:36 AM
People need to stop comparing every player over 30 to Agassi though.

Good point. It's not like there are dozens of players who did what Agassi did.

manadrainer
02-24-2012, 08:04 AM
Roger, like he and many other experts said, feels like he is en the best form of hes life. And I bealive them, and him. So, that means that he is still peaking, and he is playing against Nole and Rafa at hes peak. Not like, when Rafa and Nole first came to the scene, and in Nole's case, Roger won the first 4 matches while Nole was a headcase and teen. Its not like, back than, when Roger was in hes peak prime (like he is now) where he had huge advantage over teens. Nole and rafa don't have as big advantage against peak federer now, like he did against them the first 4 years of their carrers. So shut up fedtards. I know its hard to swollow, that noone sees federer as a GOAT exept hes own fans. It must be frustrating, that he is not even GOAT in hes own era:-) And when he finishes his carrer, his h2h against both rafa and nole will be negative...

:haha:

People here saying Fed is the same player he was 5/7 years ago are living in blind denial... go watch some videos please, you just seem to have followed tennis since 2008...

TennisGrandSlam
02-24-2012, 08:15 AM
I don't know why Sampras' Fans always says Federer has no opponents and pre-Federer era (2000-2003) is too weak.

But actually last 3 GS (All Australian Open) of Agassi won in that era.

duong
02-24-2012, 08:33 AM
Roger, like he and many other experts said, feels like he is en the best form of hes life. And I bealive them, and him.

when it comes to himself, Roger mainly thinks of keeping a positive attitude, he doesn't have to be an "objective analyst" of himself, he has to make his best and for that, he needs to stay very positive.

As for the experts, many experts say no ... despite the fact that the clear interest of the experts is saying that he's in the greatest form of his life to attract interest to tennis :lol:

Anyway, the truth is obvious for all who watch. That doesn't change the fact he's not the Goat, I agree with you on that despite being a Fedfan, but no he's not at all the player he was in 2005-2006 :shrug: He's old and lives his old age very well, making his h2h more negative to Nadal and Djokovic is good as it shows he still reaches the final stages of tournaments.

As for comparing with Agassi, they're very different, esp Agassi had a great backhand and didn't have to move that much in the end of his carreer, while Roger has always been good because of turning his backhand to play a forehand.

Moreover, the competition now on top is clearly much better than when Agassi got old.

Chirag
02-24-2012, 08:49 AM
I dont think so .Agassi had a lot less miles on his body when he reached 30

rutinos harcos
02-24-2012, 08:58 AM
He might but he won't.This year he'll retire.

DOOOBAAAR.

Mystique
02-24-2012, 09:05 AM
After turning 30 (or very nearly thirty), Agassi made 5 slam final of which he won 3. However, he beat Arnaud Clement, Rainer Schuttler in two of those 3 that he won. Federer will not have that fortune. I am positive that anyone he is likely to meet in the final of a slam, even if it is not Nadal or Djokovic will be a lot tougher.

And anyway, Andre spent the best part of his 20s lavishing, Federer on the other hand has achieved more than he could have dreamt of. While I am sure he would still love to win n be competitive, does he have the same hunger? I doubt it, he just cant be that motivated anymore. And anyway, too many miles on Roger's body by now.
Agassi had a love hate relationship with tennis from what we read in his autobio, Federer on the other hand appears to have genuine love for the tour and the game, thats why he keeps playing. It has less to do with actually winning though I doubt he will stick around if he becomes a no-factor.

All said, I still think Federer has a couple of slam wins left in him. It may be partly wishful thinking as a fan too, but as long as he keeps making finals and semis, he is still with a shout. He has a fair chance against both Murray and Djokovic, Nadal is a different story though.

EddieNero
02-24-2012, 09:21 AM
We have seen some flashes of old good Fed in Rotterdam, so If Roger can show this kind of tennis in longer periods of the season he's obviously capable of winning on fast, low-bounce surfaces.
Unfortunately for him, none of the current slams fulfill those requirements so at this point I can't picture Federer winning majors unless Nadal gets eliminated before SF/F and Roger shows up in the JesusFed Mode against Djokovic.

Sophocles
02-24-2012, 10:46 AM
We have seen some flashes of old good Fed in Rotterdam, so If Roger can show this kind of tennis in longer periods of the season he's obviously capable of winning on fast, low-bounce surfaces.
Unfortunately for him, none of the current slams fulfill those requirements so at this point I can't picture Federer winning majors unless Nadal gets eliminated before SF/F and Roger shows up in the JesusFed Mode against Djokovic.

Let's hang fire on the U.S.O. & see whether they repeat their painting "mistake". It would be absolutely disgraceful if they did.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-24-2012, 12:29 PM
according to who you ask

either 1999-2003 is the worst transitional era in history

or the strongest era in history- i go with the latter- true all court tennis everywhere

guga was 24 in 1999, won 2 RGs in the era- played 3 straight rome finals
won the trinity of rome, hamburg and MC

and won cincy- what an athlete

agassi had his best results in this era

sampras himself- made 5 slam finals- even though he wasn't as good as his peak- he was still very good- (sort of like federer post 2008)

hewitt was like rafa except he was worse on clay and better on hard courts

safin played the occasional match where he destroyed legends- us open final vs sampras- vs a very good sampras safin just destroyed him

federer played his most asthetically pleasing all court game- starting with almost complete S&V style early on- to a more all court game in the early 2000s- before abandoning the volley (not completley but enough that it actually became weaker in later years) late 2003

nalbandian, haas were 2 of the most talented guys you will ever watch in this period- its easy to call them mugs now- but if you watch the era its hard to imagine they wouldn't dominate the era- i still can't believe federer fought his way to the top ahead of these 2 who had games that were easily comparable with roger's

ferrero's clay game was insane

it was a beautiful time-

federer finding an extra gear in 2004 sort of ruined it all
nadal entering tennis in 2005 killed tenis for a generation (suddenly tennis talent didnt matter as much as being a retreiver)

tennis is shit now
just shit

rutinos harcos
02-24-2012, 01:31 PM
Me thinks you're bitter,very bitter.Tennis has never been better.There is a fake goat,than a clay warrior and a Fedal kila and goat in the making.

luie
02-24-2012, 01:52 PM
1999-2005 was a great period in tennis
Variety,talent, different characters,diverse surfaces.
Today it's just stamina based tennis on 1 surface
For the whole year.
I think 90s Wimby & today's era is the most boring in tennis history.

BigJohn
02-24-2012, 09:42 PM
Tennis has never been better.

In other words: you don't like tennis.


There is a fake goat,than a clay warrior and a Fedal kila and goat in the making.

I count 3 major fails in that sentence alone. You are gifted.

Shirogane
02-24-2012, 11:32 PM
1999-2005 was a great period in tennis
Variety, talent, different characters, diverse surfaces.I liked it a lot, but maybe that is just the Agassi fan talking. ;)

Looner
02-24-2012, 11:34 PM
Not only do people need to stop comparing Fed to Aggassi, they need to take into account the swamp surfaces of today and the fact that Fed has never stopped being competitive in the last 10+ years.