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Rafa: Olympics on grass best of 3 - Ivo,John, Milos can make upsets

romismak
02-21-2012, 11:50 AM
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2012/02/15/actualidad/1329311344_763830.html

Here is the link it is in spanish, somebody who is spanish speaking could you pls translate exactly just those words about best of 3 format and big servers?

En hierba, jugando al mejor de tres sets, con el mínimo error estás fuera. Al mejor de cinco, vale. Al mejor de tres, jugando con la tensión al máximo todos los puntos, te vas fuera muy fácil. Más que cerrar opciones, las abre para la mayoría. Un Karlovic al mejor de tres no se cansa, un Isner, un Raonic…en otras condiciones diferentes tendrían menos opciones, aunque sean grandes jugadores. Es una gran oportunidad para ellos. Para los favoritos puede ser un problema.

I know that Rafa was speaking about best of 3 format on grass favours those guys, i think he is already scared-aware of fact that he can play his best and still he can loose in 2-3tie-breaks - we don´t know how will grass be at Olympics if it will be after Wimby good enough, maybe it will be even quicker than usually, but for sure best of 3 and new grass it should be at least as fast as Wimby 1st week - with best of 3 format besides final of course, Rafa know that besides Nole there are other guys who can take him down even if he play his best tennis there.

Slice Winner
02-21-2012, 11:56 AM
"it should be at least as fast as Wimby 1st week"

What, like this?
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green25814
02-21-2012, 12:18 PM
Isner and Karlovic aren't actually that great on grass. They are actually too tall, and the lower bounce causes them problems. They prefer higher bouncing surfaces (particularly Isner, Ivo's slice does become more effective).

BroTree123
02-21-2012, 12:23 PM
Rafa flying under the radar :rocker2:

Certinfy
02-21-2012, 12:27 PM
Everyone can make upsets in 3 set matches. :shrug:

duong
02-21-2012, 12:32 PM
Everyone can make upsets in 3 set matches. :shrug:

+1, and probably more on grass.

Besides, grass is Isner's worst surface imo, I mean when the bounce is really low.

It's different for Karlovic who doesn't have Isner's baseline game but has a better volley and a good slice.

Raonic I don't know, I think he's not fond of the low bounce either, and anyway can upset anyone in best-of-3-sets on hardcourts.

reery
02-21-2012, 12:32 PM
Hopefully the grass will be fast.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-21-2012, 12:55 PM
Nadal and his comments :lol: not again.
We all know these guys won't upset the top 4.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-21-2012, 12:56 PM
Hopefully the grass will be fast.

:lol: Seems like you don't know ATP's court speed policy.
It will be slower than ever probably.

156mphserve
02-21-2012, 01:08 PM
last time I checked olympics isn't run by the ATP

LawrenceOfTennis
02-21-2012, 01:11 PM
last time I checked olympics isn't run by the ATP

Don't fool yourself. It's a visible trend in tennis world, ATP has it's people over there I'm sure.

emotion
02-21-2012, 01:47 PM
2 of 3 prefer hard

timafi
02-21-2012, 02:01 PM
let's hope Novak takes out Nadal

Sri
02-21-2012, 02:15 PM
Isn't everybody else always a favorite and Rafa "Who Doesn't Dope" Nadal always the underdog?

LisaKoh
02-21-2012, 02:23 PM
Isn't everybody else always a favorite and Rafa "Who Doesn't Dope" Nadal always the underdog?

This x1000 and don't forget that he doesn't break racquets either even when he loses to Gaston Gaudio: http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/ticker.aspx?articleid=15429&zoneid=6

ossie
02-21-2012, 02:28 PM
nadal, the master of jinx.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-21-2012, 02:38 PM
nadal, the master of jinx.

This.

Agrajag
02-21-2012, 02:47 PM
This x1000 and don't forget that he doesn't break racquets either even when he loses to Gaston Gaudio: http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/ticker.aspx?articleid=15429&zoneid=6

Nice little article there.

Can't see what is wrong with Rafas comment here. I don't like him either, but not everything he says has to be bashed. Rafa sometimes struggles with big servers and will not like to see these names close to his on any draw.

I don't think there will be a tiebreak in the third set though.

Alex999
02-21-2012, 03:19 PM
we are probably going to see another Nole vs. Raf final as long as they are healthy. I highly doubt that anyone will upset them.

reery
02-21-2012, 03:30 PM
I'm sure Nadal won't defend here. He never has defended a title outside clay.

Either Federer, Murray or Djokovic will win Olympic gold.

buzz
02-21-2012, 04:10 PM
It's no secret 5 set matches and worn out 2nd week wimbledon grass favor Nadal more when he plays big hitters. So naturally he is going to be more vulnerable in best of 3 and 64man draws where he meets the seeds earlier(you meet best 16 in round3).

motorhead
02-21-2012, 04:20 PM
"it should be at least as fast as Wimby 1st week"

What, like this?
iNiIn7ZVSqY

:haha:

jrm
02-21-2012, 06:39 PM
Isn't best of 3 something that would benefit Berdych?

alfonsojose
02-21-2012, 06:43 PM
"Clean" Pocahontas strikes again :yeah:

MuzzahLovah
02-21-2012, 06:57 PM
They could upset Rafa probably.

Certinfy
02-21-2012, 06:59 PM
Isn't best of 3 something that would benefit Berdych?
I think it's something that will benefit Berdych and Tsonga a whole lot more than the rest.

echf
02-21-2012, 07:21 PM
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2012/02/15/actualidad/1329311344_763830.html

Here is the link it is in spanish, somebody who is spanish speaking could you pls translate exactly just those words about best of 3 format and big servers?

On grass, playing best-of-three-sets, you can be out at the slightest mistake. Best-of-five is OK. With best-of-three,
playing every point under maximum pressure, you can very easily be taken out. Rather than closing options, it opens
them for the majority of players. Someone like Karlovic doesn't get tired playing best-of-three, and neither does
Isner or Raonic... under different conditions their chances would be slimmer, great though they are. It's a great
chance for them. It can be a problem for the favourites.

Sunset of Age
02-21-2012, 07:25 PM
On grass, playing best-of-three-sets, you can be out at the slightest mistake. Best-of-five is OK. With best-of-three,
playing every point under maximum pressure, you can very easily be taken out. Rather than closing options, it opens
them for the majority of players. Someone like Karlovic doesn't get tired playing best-of-three, and neither does
Isner or Raonic... under different conditions their chances would be slimmer, great though they are. It's a great
chance for them. It can be a problem for the favourites.

Yep, all true. Rafa is just stating the obvious, I don't see any problem with what he has supposed to have said about this matter.

:zzz:

Naudio Spanlatine
02-21-2012, 07:36 PM
You guys are the most pathetic people, everytime rafa says something, you guys just let out the steam and make him seem like hes the one who is destroying your lives, are you guys trying to play the victim because i think you guys are making yourselves one by saying stupid shit that doesnt need to be said.:lol: :o

Im not saying hes the only person who gets ridiculed the worst, im saying that for you do say these things to any player, like Andy, Nole, Fed and Rafa is just ridiculous and childesh.

stewietennis
02-21-2012, 08:37 PM
I'm sure Nadal won't defend here. He never has defended a title outside clay.

Either Federer, Murray or Djokovic will win Olympic gold.

I'm certain that even if Rafa defends the Olympics, some people will say he won the first on hard courts but then defended on grass four years later so it doesn't count. There's nothing really outrageous about what Rafa is saying – any player, whether Peak Federer or Peak Sampras, can be upset over 3 sets – especially if the grass is faster (won't get worn out as fast in 3 set matches) – by big servers.

romismak
07-09-2012, 03:51 PM
Now with Olympics being closer what do you think about this Rafa´s statements, can Ivo, Milos or John outserve him at best of 3 at Olympics? I think Rosol´s victory will be good for confidence of other players when they play Nadal on faster surfaces, that really the match is in their hands.

Mercury
07-09-2012, 04:01 PM
Anyone can upset anyone in a 3 set grass match. Players like Haas and Kohli will be very dangerous and the obvious big servers can get some crazy results out there.

That said, I really hope that at least in the beginning the grass will actually be grass. I doubt they'll be able to make it like Wimby first week but I hope it will resemble Wimby's first weekend rather than it's second.

Oh and as a Fed fan can I please ask Nadal be placed in Djoko's side for the first time in many many moons?

JanKowalski
07-09-2012, 04:25 PM
Does anyone know how long it takes to prepare grass? Is it even possible to make it better in 2.5 weeks? Or will it simply be in the state it is currently in, after Wimbledon.

cardio
07-09-2012, 05:05 PM
It is actually weird format, until final best of 3 , but no tiebreak in third. In final, best of 5 and no tiebreak in the 5th. Deciding advantage set gives top players more chance to survive if it is 1-1 and they have trouble to break big serving opponent.These big servers may steal one set in breaker , but they are generally poor returners , which means advantage set will destroy their hopes.

I heard grass should be brand new and fresh, plays most likely like 1st week of slam.

iriraz
07-09-2012, 06:21 PM
Best of 3 set matches on grass will probably create some surprises.I wouldn`t say a complete outsider will win Olympic gold but if no top 4 guy wins,it wouldn`t be the biggest surprise.If Olympics was last 2 weeks for instance,Federer would have lost to Benneteau.Someone like Isner can go hot for 2 sets and knock out a top guy with a 7-6 7-6 scoreline but he could also lose with same scoreline vs a complete mug

uxyzapenje
07-09-2012, 07:20 PM
Let me say this once: John can't play on grass! He will at most get to R3 (if he has a lucky draw). Give him Nalbandian in R1 and he's out. Some may say he can only beat Mahut on grass. Ivo can make 1 upstet, but is more likely to get upset by some low ranked player in first or 2nd round. Out of this 3, I can only see Milos in top form beating some top guy on an off day.

sweetkit
07-09-2012, 07:26 PM
Excuses has been declared. It wouldn't be Rafa any other way.

Nole Rules
07-09-2012, 07:27 PM
No shit! Rafa. :lol: