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Rotterdam Final: Federer beats Del Potro 6-1 6-4

LocoPorElTenis
02-19-2012, 02:40 PM
JesusFed was too good in the first :hatoff:

In the second Potro was 0/5 in bps, with bps in 3 different games, and I think all were second serves... that's all you need to know :help:

Good week for Pony but he's still waaaay too far from the top 4. His game may be back but his mentality sure isn't.

LinkMage
02-19-2012, 02:40 PM
Federer playing with no serve beats the ballbasher easily. :sport:

Miracle statistics:
BP conversion 3/5
BP saved 7/7 :eek:

It is usually the other way around.

Raiden
02-19-2012, 02:40 PM
:o

rocketassist
02-19-2012, 02:40 PM
Real big 4 indeed.

Certinfy
02-19-2012, 02:41 PM
Worst Del Potro match since he's come back. The guy doesn't know how to play a big point anymore. :facepalm: :o :sad:

Even as a fan it sucks to say that even some mug like Troicki would have put more of an effort in today than Juan did.

rubbERR
02-19-2012, 02:41 PM
It wasnt lesson. It was just choking art from Delpo in 2nd set.

viruzzz
02-19-2012, 02:41 PM
When Roger plays in his "Super Saiyan God Mode", you don't have any chance. And the first set was like that.

71!!!

reery
02-19-2012, 02:41 PM
Federer. :worship:

I will never understand how he lost the USO final in 2009 to Del Potro. Enigma. :confused:

Wojtek
02-19-2012, 02:41 PM
So comments here :haha: Great play from Roger

GSMnadal
02-19-2012, 02:41 PM
Conversion GOAT, now Orka_n, congrats :lol:

Make it quick please

rinnegan
02-19-2012, 02:41 PM
Disappointing.

bokehlicious
02-19-2012, 02:41 PM
Way to quiet the haters Roger :yeah: well done old man!

Raiden
02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Federer. :worship:

I will never understand how he lost the USO final in 2009 to Del Potro. :confused:That Delpo is still missing in action

Shirogane
02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Good stuff in the first, but Delpo needed to win that second set, then who knows what might have happened next.

shadows
02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
SlamPony not quite all the way back yet.

Nice title for Fed to start the year.

Wojtek
02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Worst Del Potro match since he's come back. The guy doesn't know how to play a big point anymore. :facepalm: :o :sad:

Buhahahhahahaahha

Lopez
02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Roger :yeah:

Second set was better from JMDP, had he been a bit more aggressive and gotten the break it might have turned out differently. Still a good week for him.

rubbERR
02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Federer. :worship:

I will never understand how he lost the USO final in 2009 to Del Potro. Enigma. :confused:

How? Delpo was better player on big points than he is now. :)

theKSHE
02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Live commentary thread was fine, had a good time reading all those clownish posts.

As for the match, it was NID. Like I said tomorrow, MTF analysts were underrating Fed/Davy chance to take the title and overreacting about some win over Berdych. Was clear like water, Fed did whatever he wanted.

Antoshka
02-19-2012, 02:43 PM
eeeeeeewwwww what a shit match for DelPo

Orka_n
02-19-2012, 02:43 PM
Conversion GOAT, now Orka_n, congrats :lol:

Make it quick pleaseHaha thank you! :D How about this one, mate?

http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae311/Orka_n/Fed2.jpg

Lleyton_
02-19-2012, 02:43 PM
0/7 :facepalm:

henke007
02-19-2012, 02:43 PM
http://www.vamosrafa.se/GUI/images/s/partydance.gif

romismak
02-19-2012, 02:43 PM
Expected result, Indoorer strikes again, only 49% FS in, Delpo lucky otherwise with higher FS% it would be beatdown there

Deathless Mortal
02-19-2012, 02:43 PM
Well done Roger, great display today, minus serve.
Still a disappointment from Del Potro, as I expected an entertaining match, and the guy couldn't break on any of 7 break points :o

Roamed
02-19-2012, 02:43 PM
First set was great from Fed, most things were great today except for his serve. Delpo didn't play as well as he did during the rest of the week to be fair but it was still an encouraging win.

rubbERR
02-19-2012, 02:44 PM
Live commentary thread was fine, had a good time reading all those clownish posts.

As for the match, it was NID. Like I said tomorrow, MTF analysts were underrating Fed/Davy chance to take the title and overreacting about some win over Berdych. Was clear like water, Fed did whatever he wanted.

If everything would have gone right Delpo would have broken him 3 times in 2nd set.

Federer had only breakpoint one game. :lol:

Delpo had breakpoints three fucking games.

ZaZoo)
02-19-2012, 02:44 PM
Olderer routs rested Del mugro and serves him a breadstick too even though olderer had only 47% 1st serves all match. :stupid:

LisaKoh
02-19-2012, 02:44 PM
Where the hell is Federer's first serve? Does someone have a by the numbers of his first serve percentage last year? Someone over at Eurosport mentioned that last year was the lowest ace count for Federer in years since he's been on the tour.

Wondering if the back injury means he can't serve.

Certinfy
02-19-2012, 02:44 PM
How? Delpo was better player on big points than he is now. :)
Del Potro had to have been the best player on big points in 2009 overall, now he's one of the worst, if not the worst. :sad:

SERBINATOR
02-19-2012, 02:44 PM
Guess i was Wrong! Grandpa still has it...

How did he lose that 09 US open ???

ssin
02-19-2012, 02:45 PM
Delpo possibly played his worse, but still congrats Federer on this demolition job. I am actually surprised by Fed's level, he played great. Delpo kept playing on fed's FH side like a lunatic, and Fed used his fh as a whip today. Bad serve and some ridiculous misses by Delpo. I feel sorry for him, had he won now it would really be a statement for him at this point. Oh well.

leng jai
02-19-2012, 02:45 PM
Pony can't even handle a moonball slice these days. As long as the shot is undersliced hes basically unable to attack.

Ajde.

theKSHE
02-19-2012, 02:45 PM
If everything would have gone right Delpo would have broken him 3 times in 2nd set.

Federer had only breakpoint one game. :lol:

Delpo had breakpoints three fucking games.

Thank you Captain Obvious. If Fed hit a winner every ball he touched, he would have won 6-0, 6-0.

Hian-GOAT
02-19-2012, 02:45 PM
DelPo needed this more, but always good to see King owning players left and right.

Another title.

Nole Rules
02-19-2012, 02:46 PM
Delpo sucked big time today. :facepalm:

rubbERR
02-19-2012, 02:47 PM
Guess i was Wrong! Grandpa still has it...

How did he lose that 09 US open ???

Ummh, before people asking this ask yourself...

How did Delpo lose Federer French open Semis? :lol:

Had 0-30 Olderer's service game 2nd set in that match when leading 5-*4.

Could have taken it straight sets. :lol:

Ash86
02-19-2012, 02:47 PM
Well this match was good for confirming one thing - the main battle for slams will remain between Nadal & Djokovic this year with the potential for Murray to get involved too. Fed's good indoors but looking at his struggles against Davydenko, the number of break points Delpo had (when Delpo wasn't even playing great) and his showing against Isner there are very few signs that he'd beat Nadal & Djokovic in big matches. On slow hardcourts like IW and Miami next month he's got very little chance...

I really thought Del Po would be a contender this year but he seems unable to take the next step. More chance for Isner & Raonic to pull off some upsets with their serves than Del Po. Horrendously played break points & no change in tactics throughout the match. Expected a lot better from Juan. :sad:

All that said - congrats to Fed - he's clearly trying to make an assault on the ranking playing all these tournaments and credit to him for winning even when not playing near his best. Dubai will be the real test though - lets see how he does vs Murray and/or Djoko...

Kat_YYZ
02-19-2012, 02:47 PM
http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a065.gifBravo Roger!!http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a065.gif

samanosuke
02-19-2012, 02:47 PM
haters have to be careful,usually eaten grandpa from WWW threads transforms into Jesus in match outcome threads

when samanosuke talks mugs listening

Corey Feldman
02-19-2012, 02:48 PM
easy peesy :sport:

Indoor win streak moves to 25 wins in a row and won 7 of last 8 events

dedicated to Certinfy, jayjay, Juan Ma Del Potro, LawrenceofTennis, RubbERR............. and Betty.

Bigselber
02-19-2012, 02:48 PM
Roger was great! Up yours haters

BigJohn
02-19-2012, 02:50 PM
Fluke: An odd occurrence that happens and is unlikely to be repeated.

Raiden
02-19-2012, 02:53 PM
Haha Federer reacts to what Krajicek is sayin in Dutch (Roger must understand the language a bit due to his mother being a South African)

samanosuke
02-19-2012, 02:53 PM
like always mugs can't understand that Fed makes Delpo bad . Delpo just doesn't know what comes next, short slice, long slice, cross court, dtl, drop shot... somebody else would be eaten from Delpo today

Voo de Mar
02-19-2012, 02:54 PM
Federer is undefeated on hardcourts indoors since Paris 2010, it's 25th win in a row.

Chirag
02-19-2012, 02:55 PM
Gonna catch the match later but congrats to my hero :worship:
At least the title thing is over for the season

Kat_YYZ
02-19-2012, 02:55 PM
Well this match was good for confirming one thing - the main battle for slams will remain between Nadal & Djokovic this year with the potential for Murray to get involved too. Fed's good indoors but looking at his struggles against Davydenko, the number of break points Delpo had (when Delpo wasn't even playing great) and his showing against Isner there are very few signs that he'd beat Nadal & Djokovic in big matches. On slow hardcourts like IW and Miami next month he's got very little chance...

I really thought Del Po would be a contender this year but he seems unable to take the next step. More chance for Isner & Raonic to pull off some upsets with their serves than Del Po. Horrendously played break points & no change in tactics throughout the match. Expected a lot better from Juan. :sad:

All that said - congrats to Fed - he's clearly trying to make an assault on the ranking playing all these tournaments and credit to him for winning even when not playing near his best. Dubai will be the real test though - lets see how he does vs Murray and/or Djoko...

umm... hello? Federer had no serve! Imagine if he'd served 65% first serves instead of 49% :wavey:

samanosuke
02-19-2012, 02:56 PM
Federer is undefeated on hardcourts indoors since Paris 2010, it's 24th win in a row.

facts are simple. Monfils is currently second best indoor player on the tour

cobalt60
02-19-2012, 02:56 PM
:hatoff: to Fed. Nice to see he still has the fortitude and confidence. Winning against Davy did him good!
And :yeah: to JM for making the final. Today was just not his day.
Congrats Fedfans!

theKSHE
02-19-2012, 02:56 PM
http://b.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/14862881.jpg

Tennis-Life
02-19-2012, 02:56 PM
Never in doubt. :sport:

Fed proves the haters wrong again :superlol:

rubbERR
02-19-2012, 02:57 PM
umm... hello? Federer had no serve! Imagine if he'd served 65% first serves instead of 49% :wavey:

if Federer would have served great then he would have played like Olderer on baseline.

That always happens with him. :lol:

Chirag
02-19-2012, 02:57 PM
umm... hello? Federer had no serve! Imagine if he'd served 65% first serves instead of 49% :wavey:

which is why he says Fed has no chance at the big events and I agree :)

Looner
02-19-2012, 02:58 PM
I was right in the AO semi's, so I'm on a winning streak right now, why change my set up... and I'm just judging them on how they've played so far.

I predicted Fed to win against JMDP at the AO, but now? Nope, don't think so, Davydenko should've taken him out already. And if I'm wrong, I'll cry deep into the night and have a good Federer avatar until Nadal wins another tournament.

Looking forward to the result of this post.

bokehlicious
02-19-2012, 02:58 PM
Haha Federer reacts to what Krajicek is sayin in Dutch (Roger must understand the language a bit due to his mother being a South African)

That is more because of swiss german being kinda close to dutch...

nsidhan
02-19-2012, 02:58 PM
Each time Fed beats DelPo it will remind him of what a douchebag he was for losing that mug USO final.

Juan Ma Del Pony
02-19-2012, 02:58 PM
Very sad for Juan's loss, but I agree with Sue, it wasn't his day today. Hope to see better form from Juan as the season continues. Also agree with ash86, this title is pretty meaningless when you think about the GS's. Nadal and Djoker will continue to clean Fed's clock before trying to kill each other for 6 hours in the finals, especially when you consider how much slower the GS surfaces are compared to this indoor hardcourt.

rubbERR
02-19-2012, 02:59 PM
Each time Fed beats DelPo it will remind him of what a douchebag he was for losing that mug USO final.

Dont forget that French open 2009 semis match where he was lucky to escape. :lol:

He was also lucky today in 2nd set :)

Singularity
02-19-2012, 02:59 PM
if Federer would have served great then he would have played like Olderer on baseline.

That always happens with him. :lol:
At the WTF he's served and played well.

philosophicalarf
02-19-2012, 03:00 PM
Fed terrific for a set. Del Pot should have won second but made a complete Davydenko of it.

He does seem a bit of a mental .......(searches for right word)...... victim nowadays. In the past, you could almost see that overpowering willpower rampaging around court, wresting momentum by its sheer force, breaking the pattern of the rally.


He's been back and fully fit more than a year now, have to question if he'll ever get it back.

theKSHE
02-19-2012, 03:00 PM
http://e.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/14862972.jpg

ballbasher101
02-19-2012, 03:01 PM
Poor from Del Potro. Good from Federer though. At 23 he should really be giving Federer a run for his money. He will face the big three a few times this year and he will have to beat one of them otherwise the voices calling him a one slam wonder will get louder. Tennis needs an inform Del Potro.

GSMnadal
02-19-2012, 03:01 PM
Looking forward to the result of this post.

Might wanna look backward

tealeaves
02-19-2012, 03:01 PM
Expected. Roger hasn't lost an indoor hard match since Bercy 2010. Del Pony had his chances but wasn't able to convert. Onto Marseille

LawrenceOfTennis
02-19-2012, 03:01 PM
well this new weak Delpo is not a good player. Fit,pre injury Delpo smoked federer.

Corey Feldman
02-19-2012, 03:01 PM
Basel dazzle has 71 ATP titles and Tiger has 71 PGA titles
(but still 16 >> 14 GOAT)

Dont forget that French open 2009 semis match where he was lucky to escape. :lol:

He was also lucky today in 2nd set :)stop crying hairless Monkey

be thankful DelPo has a GS title thanks to one of Fed's biggest meltdowns
hth should be 10-1 for the Swizzer

FedvsNole
02-19-2012, 03:02 PM
Impressed that fed looked sharp considering having hardly 16 hrs between a tough semi and final. He said he didn't get done with media till almost 1am after davydenko match ended at a little after 10pm since he does it in 5 different languages. Glad my jinx worked.

Now to catch nadal for that number 2 ranking is the next goal.

MacTheKnife
02-19-2012, 03:02 PM
Delpo just hasn't been the same guy since wrist surgery. Fed can play big points, Delpo no so much...

zlaja777
02-19-2012, 03:03 PM
like always mugs can't understand that Fed makes Delpo bad . Delpo just doesn't know what comes next, short slice, long slice, cross court, dtl, drop shot... somebody else would be eaten from Delpo today

Exactly.

DemiCrayanhan
02-19-2012, 03:04 PM
there goes my million turkish liras. when will i learn not to trust delpo to do what he used to do so well?

props to the indoorer, no one serves under 50% and wins matches this easily.

martinatreue
02-19-2012, 03:04 PM
Haha Federer reacts to what Krajicek is sayin in Dutch (Roger must understand the language a bit due to his mother being a South African)

I have noticed that I can understand about 80% of it because I speak German (English being my mother tongue). I think if you know English and German (as does Roger) then you will understand most Dutch since it lies in between the two languages.

Corey Feldman
02-19-2012, 03:04 PM
http://e.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/14862972.jpg:lol::worship:

Mystique
02-19-2012, 03:04 PM
Not exactly JesusFed, but a stunning performance considering his form all week. He really turned the heat up. Thats what champions do, they show up. Glad to see he still has it.
Roger was solid off the baseline and clutch and really outsmarted Delpo today. When he toys with a guy as good, makes him run around in circles, you know he is playing well.

Not very good from Delpotro, expected him to win honestly looking at their forms prior to this match. Delpo had chances, especially the second set and didnt take them even with Fed playing with a half serve. But good week nonetheless, and I think by the time we land on clay, Pony will have become a big force.

So, another title for Indoorerer :inlove: Always so regal with a roof over his head. I am not gonna go crazy over this, outdoors is a different story, but a title is a title! Congrats on #71 Roger, HOPP!

Haha thank you! :D How about this one, mate?

http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae311/Orka_n/Fed2.jpg

:superlol::superlol::superlol:
Now the thing we want is Novak to play Monte Carlo ;)

alter ego
02-19-2012, 03:05 PM
Impressed that fed looked sharp considering having hardly 16 hrs between a tough semi and final. He said he didn't get done with media till almost 1am after davydenko match ended at a little after 10pm since he does it in 5 different languages. Glad my jinx worked.

Now to catch nadal for that number 2 ranking is the next goal.

He all know Fed's evil plan. Get back to number 2. Rigged the RG draw so Mugdal meets Djokovic in the semifinals. Defeat the serbian in the final. :devil:

viruzzz
02-19-2012, 03:05 PM
Now the thing we want is Novak to play Monte Carlo ;)
I'm pretty sure Rafa won't lose this year vs Nole on clay.
I see Rafito winning MonteCarlo and Rome.

That's it, his only clay titles of the year.

(Yeah... You know that I mean)

Singularity
02-19-2012, 03:05 PM
well this new weak Delpo is not a good player. Fit,pre injury Delpo smoked federer.
Yeah, 2 wins in 8 matches attest to Del Potro's domination over Federer.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-19-2012, 03:06 PM
Anyway, the day federe retires will be great.
and :lol: at all the federer fangirls.

romismak
02-19-2012, 03:06 PM
I think Roger should be thanking Davydenko that he played so good yesterday, otherwise if Roger would make finals without real test it would be much much more difficult for him, but thanks to Davy he turned on higher level, even without good serve he managed to win this in straight sets.

juan27
02-19-2012, 03:07 PM
what a great difference in federer`s game in real fast courts and not the shit like australia , miami , indian wells and the 99% of the tour.

in the grand slams the surfaces are very slow , even the us open that was the only slam that was fast now is slow too.....

speed up the courts!!! not like the 90s but at least like 2000-2007 , beatiful points and winners are best in that surfaces

Deathless Mortal
02-19-2012, 03:07 PM
http://b.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/14862881.jpg

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8375/notbadkz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/notbadkz.jpg/)

:lol: Glad to see I'm not the only one using memes around here :cool:

Mystique
02-19-2012, 03:08 PM
Each time Fed beats DelPo it will remind him of what a douchebag he was for losing that mug USO final.

WTF is wrong with you? Douchebag? :facepalm:
Fed fans, get over it already. It was a bad loss, perhaps the choke of his GS career but it was three years ago and Delpo deserved to win because he stayed focused and strong.

masterclass
02-19-2012, 03:08 PM
Expected result, Indoorer strikes again, only 49% FS in, Delpo lucky otherwise with higher FS% it would be beatdown there

How different? Even with the lousy FS%, he wasn't broken.
The scoreline would have been the same.
But I grant that it would have been a quicker result.
It was a beatdown in the first set because of his stellar groundstrokes and intelligent variety.
Or are you saying that if he served something like 70% FS, that he would have been able to break Mr. Del Potro every game in the second set?

Even though the FS% was poor, he still managed winning 65% of the points on his serve and that was sufficient to make it difficult to make headway on Federer's service.

Respectfully,
masterclass

bokehlicious
02-19-2012, 03:08 PM
Anyway, the day federe retires will be great.
and :lol: at all the federer fangirls.

Potro might retire before the old man :hug:

Nirjhor
02-19-2012, 03:11 PM
Congrats Roger!! :bounce:

Allez! :woohoo:

Orka_n
02-19-2012, 03:12 PM
Anyway, the day federe retires will be great.
and :lol: at all the federer fangirls.I find it amusing how whiny you are, considering how "certain" you were that Delpo was gonna lose already before the match was played. :hug:

romismak
02-19-2012, 03:13 PM
How different? Even with the lousy FS%, he wasn't broken.
The scoreline would have been the same.
But I grant that it would have been a quicker result.
It was a beatdown in the first set because of his stellar groundstrokes and intelligent variety.
Or are you saying that if he served something like 70% FS, that he would have been able to break Mr. Del Potro every game in the second set?

Even though the FS% was poor, he still managed winning 65% of the points on his serve and that was sufficient to make it difficult to make headway on Federer's service.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Yes he wasnīt broken, but you donīt get it? When someone is playing Karlovic he is under constant pressure on his own service games, and Roger with much higher FS% wuold be winning his service games to love or 15. That would put Delpo under much bigger pressure. I am convinced that Roger with higher FS% and easy service games would break Delpoīs serve at least once more. Also Roger will be more agressive - playing risky on return if he know he is hitting 1st serves all the time and that Delpo canīt do much on his serve

Ash86
02-19-2012, 03:14 PM
I'm pretty sure Rafa won't lose this year vs Nole on clay.
I see Rafito winning MonteCarlo and Rome.

That's it, his only clay titles of the year.

(Yeah... You know that I mean)

So he wins MC & Rome, yes loses 3 sets at RG to someone other than Nole?! Who? The only candidate is Del Po and on today's performance even that looks unlikely... Nadal will only lose to Novak at RG and even that he'd kill himself on court trying to stop it from happening. By the time he gets to the final he's usually tuned his claycourt game so we shall see...

Love at all those thinking the courts are a lot slower than 2007 i.e. Fed started losing and the others did well due to some ATP conspiracy. IW, Miami etc. have always been so slow & if the US Open was so different why did Fed win in 08, reach the final in 09 (and really should have won) & have match points to get to the final in 10 & 11? :rolleyes:

Fed's serve has been poor this year and given how many times that's bailed him out in recent years it'll be interesting to see how he does in the next few months. It's only February & we've had one big tournament - bit soon to be thinking Fed will be seeded no.2 by the time of RG! Especially with IW, Miami, MC, Madrid & Rome up for grabs before that...

paseo
02-19-2012, 03:14 PM
lol @ the haters. lol @ the responses, too.

Man, this place is fun.

Ajde!

LisaKoh
02-19-2012, 03:14 PM
Good result. I like both players so I would have been happy had this gone the other way. Del Potro can't seem to handle the junk balls that Federer throws at him every once in a while to upset his rhythm. The other player who has a good record against JMDP is Muzzard who has a penchant for junk balls too. Interesting.

Notes from the commentators: they said Federer and Del Potro are still close and that the first thing Federer did upon arriving in Rotterdam was hit with JMDP. Hmm. They also noted that JMDP still feels a little bit indebted to Roger because Roger was the first guy who touted his talent when he was 18 and got him a WC into Basel 2006.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-19-2012, 03:14 PM
I find it amusing how whiny you are, considering how "certain" you were that Delpo was gonna lose already before the match was played. :hug:

It was NID that he loses this match but the way he lost...just pathetic.

Deathless Mortal
02-19-2012, 03:17 PM
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6338/scumbagfederer.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/scumbagfederer.jpg/)

fran70
02-19-2012, 03:19 PM
Federer feels really comfortable with Delpo`s tennis and the contrary concerns with the Argentine. The keys why Roger find it so easy to beat Delp are the following ones: 1) Roger`s backhand slice(long and short ones) and topspin ones over Del Potro`s backhand,
2) Roger moving around his backhand to hit his forehand to Del Potro`s backhand too, 3) Permanent changes of rymths of the match and shortening the points.
4) On the other hand Del Potro can`t find a way to extend longer rallies and take control of the points. Even when he is serving well.

These are the keys why Roger finds it so easy to beat Del Potro.

BigJohn
02-19-2012, 03:19 PM
Davydenko > Del Potro

HDW
02-19-2012, 03:21 PM
Still waiting for monster 09 delpo to show up, atm it keeps on looking less likely.

Good performance from the old man.

rubbERR
02-19-2012, 03:22 PM
Davydenko > Del Potro

Nadal > Federror
Djokovic > Nadull
Murray > Federror
Federer > Delputa
Del Potro > Troicki :lol:

asmazif
02-19-2012, 03:24 PM
conversionerer makes a rare appearance

tripwires
02-19-2012, 03:25 PM
Anyway, the day federe retires will be great.
and :lol: at all the federer fangirls.

Enjoy watching del Potro play at Challengers or whatever trollish shit you were saying earlier on. :wavey:

Corey Feldman
02-19-2012, 03:26 PM
bring on Dubai next so Djokovic can get a taste of this treatment

KoOlMaNsEaN
02-19-2012, 03:26 PM
:D:D I didn't think this was possible after yesterday's SF but he claws out another title

Yves.
02-19-2012, 03:26 PM
Roger is the man! Title count going up nicely :)

FedererBulgaria
02-19-2012, 03:26 PM
Congrats Champ :)

Ash86
02-19-2012, 03:28 PM
bring on Dubai next so Djokovic can get a taste of this treatment

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Djoker would have killed Fed today with that first serve percentage. It would have been like Abu Dhabi, except not an exo result! Fed won't get to the final of Dubai in my opinion - too strong a field. I'm going with Murray winning Dubai & sending out a message...

luie
02-19-2012, 03:30 PM
INDOOR GOAT ---- none can stand in his way ,,on skill based surfaces.

tripwires
02-19-2012, 03:31 PM
Super stoked at Rogi winning :inlove: The first set was sublime from him and some clutch play in the second set on break points, but obviously got away with some due to poor play by del Potro. Nice to see the variety on display by Roger here, and that forehand was pure orgasm in the first set. :hearts:

Clay Death
02-19-2012, 03:31 PM
INDOOR GOAT ---- none can stand in his way ,,on skill based surfaces.

luie you can do this blind worship at my thread also. i just fired up a thread on Fed.

luie
02-19-2012, 03:34 PM
http://e.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/14862972.jpg

:haha: Not on INDOOR surfaces though.
Nadull cannot defeat the INDOOR king on an indoor surface.:angel:

madmax
02-19-2012, 03:35 PM
Pony doesn't have the clutchness factor back yet...and without it you ain't beating any elite player I'm afraid.

EddieNero
02-19-2012, 03:37 PM
Not bad from the Old Man.

luie
02-19-2012, 03:37 PM
luie you can do this blind worship at my thread also. i just fired up a thread on Fed.
I try ;)

manadrainer
02-19-2012, 03:42 PM
Indoorer strikes again. I still wonder why Swiss decided to play on clay when Fed doesn't lose on indoor hc since 2010...

Nole Rules
02-19-2012, 03:42 PM
bring on Dubai next so Djokovic can get a taste of this treatment

Dream on.

:superlol:

MIMIC
02-19-2012, 03:47 PM
Basel 2010: Federer d. Djokovic 64 36 61
WTF 2010: Federer d. Djokovic 61 64

Congratulations on your 3rd year of watching tennis :stupid:

Anyway, I set my alarm to wake up in time for the match. I went to bed late (around 4am :cool:) when I woke up. I said to myself, "Federer is probably destroying him" and went back to sleep.

I was right.

heya
02-19-2012, 03:48 PM
delpo's supposed to be ranked number 1 before djoker, according to federina.

Nole Rules
02-19-2012, 03:51 PM
delpo's supposed to be ranked number 1 before djoker, according to federina.

WTF?! When did he say that? :lol:

rubbERR
02-19-2012, 03:52 PM
Congratulations on your 3rd year of watching tennis :stupid:

Anyway, I set my alarm to wake up in time for the match. I went to bed late (around 4am :cool:) when I woke up. I said to myself, "Federer is probably destroying him" and went back to sleep.

I was right.

You aint. Match was competitive after 1st set. :)

Delpo with breakpoint chances three different service games, and was on every single one of them. Ended up making silly errors. :lol:

Points won in 2nd set: Delpo 33 and Fed 35.

sportstennis
02-19-2012, 03:53 PM
I like both

Orka_n
02-19-2012, 03:56 PM
[by the way. I hope Novak kicks Nadal by also RG. Roger helped Nadal last year. sucks nadal.

nadal's fan is arrogant blind asshole.. sucks

:mad:Federerbestclass :haha:

castle007
02-19-2012, 03:56 PM
YES!!! Congrats to Federer. :) He played a wonderful match, and was really on top of his game. Everything was working except the serve, but he hit the big ones when it counted. He continues his domination of indoor courts. :cool: I wish there were more indoor tournaments throughout the year. It is a joy to watch Federer play indoors. :D Actually it is a joy to watch him play on any surface.

Del Potro had plenty of chances to break back, but Federer was just too good on the BPs, and very clutch.

I don't think we can blame Federer's back for his serving problems. Federer seemed to be moving very well, and stretched a lot to retrieve some ball, and his back didn't seem to bother him.

Kat_YYZ
02-19-2012, 03:59 PM
WTF?! When did he say that? :lol:

he didn't. :rolleyes: he just said that he thought Del Po could have been #1 if it weren't for that wrist injury

http://lolpics.se/pics/16538.png

heya
02-19-2012, 04:01 PM
fed was so full of shit at the aus open.
"i thought he was gonna be number 1, after 2009 us open."

it's all about federer's perfect tennis. fight him. be one dimensional, win just a few fed matches, reach the top spot (not djoker). muhaaaaaa

Corey Feldman
02-19-2012, 04:01 PM
what a spartan Fed is

remember last night he played the late match which was a 3 hour epic v Denko (while delpo was tucked in with his teddy bear), had to come back early today and played his best match of the whole week

Nadal woulda lost 1-6 0-6 in those circumstances

tripwires
02-19-2012, 04:05 PM
he didn't. :rolleyes: he just said that he thought Del Po could have been #1 if it weren't for that wrist injury



Always hilarious when people take heya seriously. :lol:

what a spartan Fed is

remember last night he played the late match which was a 3 hour epic v Denko (while delpo was tucked in with his teddy bear), had to come back early today and played his best match of the whole week

Nadal woulda lost 1-6 0-6 in those circumstances

:haha: you're so bad Mikey. I love it. :lol:

Johnny Groove
02-19-2012, 04:05 PM
what a spartan Fed is

remember last night he played the late match which was a 3 hour epic v Denko (while delpo was tucked in with his teddy bear), had to come back early today and played his best match of the whole week

Nadal woulda lost 1-6 0-6 in those circumstances

Trying to rile people up :lol:

Moya>>Davydenko.

samanosuke
02-19-2012, 04:07 PM
Fed's first win over top 10 player this year

heya
02-19-2012, 04:10 PM
look at the tards calling federer goat and "perfect". look who's serious.

Seingeist
02-19-2012, 04:13 PM
Real loser here is Berdych. After Del Potro absolutely crushed him, I was expecting a little better against Federer than this... :facepalm:

Orka_n
02-19-2012, 04:14 PM
Trying to rile people up :lol:Indeed. ;) But he has a point in that Federer's stamina and physical form are very underrated.

alfonsojose
02-19-2012, 04:19 PM
Nice way to leave the DC drama behind :yeah: Good tournament. Good SF. Kolya :tears: :hug: at least you're improving :)

MuzzahLovah
02-19-2012, 04:20 PM
You know, I really like Del Po, and was definitely rooting for him. I didn't think he'd win, citing his performance against Fed in Australia, but I was certainly hoping he would. But at least this puts this real top 4 nonsense to bed.

Poor Davy- he was so close to winning a title in his comeback.

Myrre
02-19-2012, 04:31 PM
Anyway, the day federe retires will be great.
and :lol: at all the federer fangirls.

Great for Del Potro at least

Mystique
02-19-2012, 04:35 PM
what a spartan Fed is

remember last night he played the late match which was a 3 hour epic v Denko (while delpo was tucked in with his teddy bear), had to come back early today and played his best match of the whole week

Nadal woulda lost 1-6 0-6 in those circumstances

:worship:
You missed doing interviews till 1 at night.:devil:

TRUE SPARTA!!! that MTFers are too dense to fathom.;)

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-19-2012, 04:39 PM
ongoing 24 match win streak for roger indoors people

edit- correction 25 wins thanks mr.Feldman

epic legend

delpo isnt anywhere near his peak level
(and his peak level is almost unplayable on a hardcourt)

masterclass
02-19-2012, 04:53 PM
Yes he wasnīt broken, but you donīt get it? When someone is playing Karlovic he is under constant pressure on his own service games, and Roger with much higher FS% wuold be winning his service games to love or 15. That would put Delpo under much bigger pressure. I am convinced that Roger with higher FS% and easy service games would break Delpoīs serve at least once more. Also Roger will be more agressive - playing risky on return if he know he is hitting 1st serves all the time and that Delpo canīt do much on his serve

I thought that might be your reasoning, hence why I asked Or are you saying that if he served something like 70% FS, that he would have been able to break Mr. Del Potro every game in the second set?

But it's difficult to prove casualty when you are talking about a statistic that doesn't make a difference in the result.
Mr. Federer won all his service games, no matter. That in itself caused more than sufficient pressure on Mr. del Potro to win his.

There is perhaps a slight chance that if the first serves were aces or service winners, he would have used somewhat less energy on his own serve and had somewhat more on del Potro's to give him a better chance, but I didn't notice any lack of energy or movement with Mr. Federer today, so I think that minor argument becomes moot.

Now, IF Federer had lost some of those service games, one could point to the poor FS% as a legitimate reason for those losses, and those losses would have been responsible for allowing del Potro to gain confidence. But this never happened.

A beat down could have occurred in the second set if Mr. Del Potro had not fought as he did, or if Mr. Federer had stayed in unplayable mode the entire match, which is difficult task.

It was enough that he won the first set easily, and took the second 6-4, especially when he had to be a little tired from the previous evening's efforts.

Respectfully,
masterclass

adam10
02-19-2012, 04:59 PM
This is the real delpo.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-19-2012, 05:00 PM
i think Roger's backhand looks just fine today

i dont understand this great myth that his backhand is the great weak link

does it break down on high bouncing surfaces- yes

do alot of backhands break down when they are not in the comfort zone- yes

why single roger out- nole has made a career out of making nadal play his backhand out of its comfort zone

i think its fair to put roger''s 1 hander in the top 10 of the open era

if the courts weren't so slow and high bouncing then the slice would effectively nuteralise the nadal forehand

old wimbledon grass would be perfect for roger

i cant imagine nadal winning a set against roger on fast 90s grass

EddieNero
02-19-2012, 05:01 PM
Federer will always appear as a nightmare matchup for Del Potro whatever the circumstances.
Roger adds too much variety(slices, rythm-changing) to his game against DelPo and JMDP is not able to cope with that.
Del Potro is a type of player who bases his own game on hard, yet very monotous ball striking and Roger simply does not offer it to him, hence Pony can bring the very best game against Nadal and almost never shows a quality display of tennis against Fed.

Looner
02-19-2012, 05:09 PM
:worship:
You missed doing interviews till 1 at night.:devil:

TRUE SPARTA!!! that MTFers are too dense to fathom.;)

So he's also the PResser Spartan. The Spartan that keeps on giving :worship: :worship: :worship:.

out_grinder
02-19-2012, 05:13 PM
Federer will always appear as a nightmare matchup for Del Potro whatever the circumstances.
Roger adds too much variety(slices, rythm-changing) to his game against DelPo and JMDP is not able to cope with that.
Del Potro is a type of player who bases his own game on hard, yet very monotous ball striking and Roger simply does not offer it to him, hence Pony can bring the very best game against Nadal and almost never shows a quality display of tennis against Fed.

You're saying that ballbashers are bad against junk/variety players?

But who plays even more junky and slice-y than Federer? Murray.

And who ballbashes even more than Del Potro? Berdych.

And Berdych owns Murray.

Not sure what Murray's head to head against Del Potro is, but it can't be great either - since ballbashers have the power to end the long rallies that junk ballers like to get into.

mlhyde
02-19-2012, 05:15 PM
Pony can bring the very best game against Nadal and almost never shows a quality display of tennis against Fed.

One UO final is enough, really. Maybe it has cost all JMDP's luck against Fed.
Considering that loss is so devastating to Fed, it is quite fair that JMDP has never got his best level back when playing against Roger.

azinna
02-19-2012, 05:18 PM
Yes, there are these variables at play.... But this is really more proof that without the serious mental, physical and strategic challenges posed by Nadal and Djokovic, Federer would be challenging Graf and Court for slam records.

.....

EddieNero
02-19-2012, 05:19 PM
You're saying that ballbashers are bad against junk/variety players?

But who plays even more junky and slice-y than Federer? Murray.

And who ballbashes even more than Del Potro? Berdych.

And Berdych owns Murray.

Not sure what Murray's head to head against Del Potro is, but it can't be great either - since ballbashers have the power to end the long rallies that junk ballers like to get into.

It's 5-1 in Murray's favour. Check out some basic information about top players before creating an account on a tennis forum and claiming such crap.

Looner
02-19-2012, 05:20 PM
You're saying that ballbashers are bad against junk/variety players?

But who plays even more junky and slice-y than Federer? Murray.

And who ballbashes even more than Del Potro? Berdych.

And Berdych owns Murray.

Not sure what Murray's head to head against Del Potro is, but it can't be great either - since ballbashers have the power to end the long rallies that junk ballers like to get into.

This is the best joke post for some time on MTF. What's Murray's record against DelPo whilst we're at it, expert? Lol, making yourself look stupid without anyone needing to say anything.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-19-2012, 05:20 PM
Fedwhatever:bigclap: :rolleyes:

Fed fans:inlove: :kiss:

zoparrat
02-19-2012, 05:28 PM
Davydenko > Del Potro

Nadal > Federror
Djokovic > Nadull
Murray > Federror
Federer > Delputa
Del Potro > Troicki :lol:


Gotta give the edge to Davydenko over Delpo indoors. As long as Davydenko's playing playstation tennis Delpo has no time to react.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D402&oId=D683

masterclass
02-19-2012, 05:35 PM
Federer will always appear as a nightmare matchup for Del Potro whatever the circumstances.
Roger adds too much variety(slices, rythm-changing) to his game against DelPo and JMDP is not able to cope with that.
Del Potro is a type of player who bases his own game on hard, yet very monotous ball striking and Roger simply does not offer it to him, hence Pony can bring the very best game against Nadal and almost never shows a quality display of tennis against Fed.

Pretty true. This strategy also works, but to a lesser degree, when Federer plays Djokovic. Djokovic thrives on consistent pace. Sometimes Federer gets mentally or emotionally trapped into giving it to him for too long, but when he realizes it, he starts varying with slice and pace. But with Djokovic, variation is more tricky. Federer also has to be careful to place the slower paced shots strategically. He can't give him a slow paced flat or topspin that hits midcourt on the forehand or backhand sides. Djokovic will just drive it to the corners. He has to mix up with slice either well in front of him and away from him with angle (making him stretch low to make the shot), or quite deep and right at him, where he can't hit with a good angle. This forces Djokovic to either make an error, or hit the ball up, or hit it back with little pace, and then Federer can put the next one away. Federer also has to mix that with deep hard shots with angle, or Djokovic will make the adjustment.

With Nadal it is simply a matter of court conditions. If Mr. Federer gets faster, lower bouncing conditions, he can simply attack push Nadal around, hit behind him, make Nadal hit short, and the low bounce means Nadal's main topspin weapon is nullified.
But give Nadal slower and high bouncing conditions and Federer's attack his nullified by Nadal's retrieval skills, and Nadal's prodigious top spin can take off and make Federer have to hit balls out of his strike zone creating the errors. This then makes Federer have to try for riskier shots flatter with more angles, closer to the lines, and it is a losing proposition.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Slice Winner
02-19-2012, 05:36 PM
Haha thank you! :D How about this one, mate?

http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae311/Orka_n/Fed2.jpg

lololol!!

Arkulari
02-19-2012, 05:38 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0b0i7bHgyq4mI/1000x.jpg

Not bad old man, not bad at all ;)

samanosuke
02-19-2012, 05:42 PM
Haha thank you! :D How about this one, mate?

http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae311/Orka_n/Fed2.jpg

:lol:

gsmnadal swimming with sharks and not doing good . he is still too green for these shits

but at least he is willing to take risks, maybe he isn't like nadal at the end, just wrong guy on wrong place in wrong moment

Roger the Dodger
02-19-2012, 05:44 PM
Even the winner gets only a tray? Funny.

Kat_YYZ
02-19-2012, 05:45 PM
Even the winner gets only a tray? Funny.
big shiny hubcap :p

fast_clay
02-19-2012, 06:09 PM
didn't see the match but what is clear is that federer is on a mission for the #1 rank again...

his schedule says so...
his performance in Mickey Mouse 500's says so...
his losing without grace says so...

100%

FedvsNole
02-19-2012, 06:11 PM
Is wimbledon during its 2nd week of today as low bouncing as indoor hard courts?

samanosuke
02-19-2012, 06:13 PM
didn't see the match but what is clear is that federer is on a mission for the #1 rank again...

his schedule says so...
his performance in Mickey Mouse 500's says so...
his losing without grace says so...

100%

now he just has to miss nadal in draws at masters 1000 and grand slams and maybe be returns on #1

bokehlicious
02-19-2012, 06:17 PM
Honestly, I don't really care about those wins, won't change much the big picture, but seeing that Fed can still get the best out of the haters is priceless. Thank you for that Roger.

FedvsNole
02-19-2012, 06:17 PM
now he just has to miss nadal in draws at masters 1000 and grand slams and maybe be returns on #1

I still have hope he can beat nadal at wimbledon. We'll have a better idea at halle if they both reach the finals how it goes.

samanosuke
02-19-2012, 06:22 PM
halle is lower bounce than Wimby and it's best of 3 match . fed should win there, at wimby i don't see this happening

luie
02-19-2012, 06:25 PM
i think Roger's backhand looks just fine today

i dont understand this great myth that his backhand is the great weak link

does it break down on high bouncing surfaces- yes

do alot of backhands break down when they are not in the comfort zone- yes

why single roger out- nole has made a career out of making nadal play his backhand out of its comfort zone

i think its fair to put roger''s 1 hander in the top 10 of the open era

if the courts weren't so slow and high bouncing then the slice would effectively nuteralise the nadal forehand

old wimbledon grass would be perfect for roger

i cant imagine nadal winning a set against roger on fast 90s grass

Nadull would not be good enough to meet Roger on 90s grass.
As leng jai stated fed bh varies
On grass & low bouncing services its quite good.
On high bouncing surface its better than average.
Gasquet/wawa/guga/almargro bh is good slow surface but not so good on fast surfaces,,because it requires more time to set-up the shot.
To single out fed is unfair because nadulls ownership of his bh has come on high bouncing slow surfaces.
Secondly I dont see too much 1 hbh standing up to nadull over 5 sets.

ossie
02-19-2012, 06:27 PM
funny to see fed slicing his way out of this match, delpo clearly wasnt ready for it but fed should know these clown tactics wont save his ass during a potential slam encounter with the goat. a shame about the second set btw where delpo had enough chances but was playing too badly to convert.

luie
02-19-2012, 06:30 PM
Is wimbledon during its 2nd week of today as low bouncing as indoor hard courts?
It plays more like clay unfortunately.

tealeaves
02-19-2012, 06:36 PM
What is fed's ranking on total title count? Is he top 5?

masterclass
02-19-2012, 06:39 PM
Is wimbledon during its 2nd week of today as low bouncing as indoor hard courts?

Not lately. Especially if the weather stays warm and sunny. They changed the foundation to purposely make it more regular and higher bouncing. Over the years it has gradually gotten harder and harder. I think Rod Laver said it was like a billiard table compared to the grass of yesteryear. In his day, if you didn't serve and volley, you were dead. There was probably a 25% chance the ball would take a bounce that was not hittable.

Respectfully,
masterclass

luie
02-19-2012, 06:39 PM
funny to see fed slicing his way out of this match, delpo clearly wasnt ready for it but fed should know these clown tactics wont save his ass during a potential slam encounter with the goat. a shame about the second set btw where delpo had enough chances but was playing too badly to convert.
Be carefull your retardness is bordering on nadulltardism.:o

JediFed
02-19-2012, 06:51 PM
Total titles? I believe he's 4th all-time, behind Connors, Lendl, and Johnny Mac.

Just 6 behind John McEnroe now.

He's 11 over Agassi for 1st place in the ATP tour era. Not too shabby.

I count 46 HC titles for Agassi, 48 now for Federer. He's now the King of Hard.

swebright
02-19-2012, 06:51 PM
I thought Del Po would thrash Fed; what happened?

disagol
02-19-2012, 06:53 PM
This match proved me only one thing, Delpo is not back yet. As well as Roger played I just could not stop saying "Hit the damn ball as you know" ( about del potro laying the ball short ). As other have stated Delpo is missing that killer instinct and clutch play he was known for. He certainly needs more hours on the court with these type of players.None of the top 4 wants to play with Del potro when his confidence is up there, thatīs for sure. Keep improving, things will turn around...

heya
02-19-2012, 07:29 PM
One UO final is enough, really. Maybe it has cost all JMDP's luck against Fed.
Considering that loss is so devastating to Fed, it is quite fair that JMDP has never got his best level back when playing against Roger.

how was fed's luck when delpo, nadal and djokovic gifted the french open draws to fed?
fed wasn't so hot when kuerten, nadal and djoker snuffed him (2003-2011).

rocketassist
02-19-2012, 07:31 PM
funny to see fed slicing his way out of this match, delpo clearly wasnt ready for it but fed should know these clown tactics wont save his ass during a potential slam encounter with the goat. a shame about the second set btw where delpo had enough chances but was playing too badly to convert.

Er they worked to perfection in a SLAM encounter just over TWO weeks ago, you massive quim.

FedvsNole
02-19-2012, 07:31 PM
As well as delpo played in 2009, he still should not have won the us open where he played out o his mind against federer who didn't go up 2 sets to 0 as he should have. Anyways, federer plays delpo differnt now than just trying to out hit him. He plays more variety, brings him to net, goes to net himself, and is always mixing it up. I believe delpo is back in fact his movment has improved from what it used to be. You'll see when he beats a top 4 player in the next events at dubai, indian wells, miami.

DUN I LOVE
02-19-2012, 07:32 PM
Total Titles (Open era):

1)Jimmy Connors 109
2) Ivan Lendl 94
3) John McEnroe 77
4) Roger Federer 71
5) Pete Sampras 64
5) Bjorn Borg 64

habibko
02-19-2012, 07:37 PM
7FurQAmhxsc

:bigclap:

Slice Winner
02-19-2012, 07:40 PM
how was fed's luck when delpo, nadal and djokovic gifted the french open draws to fed?
fed wasn't so hot when kuerten, nadal and djoker snuffed him (2003-2011).

Fed leads Djoker 1-0 at Roland Garros.

ChampionshipPoints
02-19-2012, 07:42 PM
After a performance like that, I wonder how DelPo managed to beat Bird-Dick yesterday.

Orka_n
02-19-2012, 07:44 PM
I thought Del Po would thrash Fed; what happened?Federer came out guns blazing unlike yesterday vs Davydenko. Fed didn't let Delpo dominate the points and outplayed him easily in the first. In the second he started making some more errors and Delpo managed to find his range a little. Delpo wasn't great on the big points today however, while Federer was fairly clutch.

Del Potro's powerful but limited style fits Federer pretty well, which isn't really news. He can't really handle Fed when Roger is playing well and mixing it up with junkballs.

masterclass
02-19-2012, 08:08 PM
i think Roger's backhand looks just fine today

i dont understand this great myth that his backhand is the great weak link

does it break down on high bouncing surfaces- yes

do alot of backhands break down when they are not in the comfort zone- yes

why single roger out- nole has made a career out of making nadal play his backhand out of its comfort zone

i think its fair to put roger''s 1 hander in the top 10 of the open era

if the courts weren't so slow and high bouncing then the slice would effectively nuteralise the nadal forehand

old wimbledon grass would be perfect for roger

i cant imagine nadal winning a set against roger on fast 90s grass

Agree with all. I would go further and say I can't imagine Nadal winning on any traditional grass court other than Wimbledon circa 2005 to today.

They began the initial change there in 2001-2002, changing the type of grass and foundation, at the request of the clay courter players coaches who complained they had little chance at Wimbledon, because the court favored serve and volley over baseliners in the extreme. Since the initial change, the court has been progressively favoring all court play with higher more consistent bounces, especially with sunny weather and in the second week once the grass starts wearing. Nadal could have probably won there earlier than he did, except for the lack of confidence on grass, his awe and the play of Roger Federer in his prime.

There was an underlying fear by the Wimbledon establishment that if they didn't make the change, grass court tennis would end at Wimbledon as they saw a trend of grass court tennis disappearing globally mostly due to higher maintenance requirements than hard court. In retrospect, one could say that the change is hastening its ending anyway, as it sadly no longer plays like a traditional grass court. However, nothing is preventing it from being changed again.

Respectfully,
masterclass

habibko
02-19-2012, 08:18 PM
sV-m6HKTeXw

scarecrows
02-19-2012, 08:21 PM
well done master

Poirot123
02-19-2012, 08:23 PM
Why does Berdych give Federer more trouble than Del Potro, when Del Potro crushed Berdych yesterday? That's what I want to know!

fmolinari2005
02-19-2012, 08:30 PM
As much as I like DelPo, he created such a strange effect on MTF. I don't consider his maiden GS title a fluke, but people created such a distorted view on him. The guy is a great player, hopefully he will win another GS title. But despite having clutch moments, he was never a clutch player. His killer instinct was never his strongest suit. And his game was always limited ... people in here think that back in 2009 he was on the verge of becoming GOAT. Actually, he was "just" a great player that had two amazing weeks at the USO. Nothing more, nothing less.

When I see people being actually surprised that Fed defeated him it show how distorted people's view are when it comes to Juan. Sure he can beat Fed, as he did a couple of times. But when he beats Roger it is an upset, not the expected result.

I am glad Roger won a title. Good to see him fighting for smaller titles. And great to see DelPo is back. I mean, the real DelPo, not the imaginary one some folks created on their heads.

Slice Winner
02-19-2012, 08:32 PM
sV-m6HKTeXw

Fed realises he's been missing out on easy indoors points all these years...
But still adds 'hopefully' so as not to get Krajicek's hopes up too much :lol:

Orka_n
02-19-2012, 09:02 PM
As much as I like DelPo, he created such a strange effect on MTF. I don't consider his maiden GS title a fluke, but people created such a distorted view on him. The guy is a great player, hopefully he will win another GS title. But despite having clutch moments, he was never a clutch player. His killer instinct was never his strongest suit. And his game was always limited ... people in here think that back in 2009 he was on the verge of becoming GOAT. Actually, he was "just" a great player that had two amazing weeks at the USO. Nothing more, nothing less.

When I see people being actually surprised that Fed defeated him it show how distorted people's view are when it comes to Juan. Sure he can beat Fed, as he did a couple of times. But when he beats Roger it is an upset, not the expected result.This post is so incredibly true it almost turned wrong again. But only almost.

misst89
02-19-2012, 09:06 PM
As much as I like DelPo, he created such a strange effect on MTF. I don't consider his maiden GS title a fluke, but people created such a distorted view on him. The guy is a great player, hopefully he will win another GS title. But despite having clutch moments, he was never a clutch player. His killer instinct was never his strongest suit. And his game was always limited ... people in here think that back in 2009 he was on the verge of becoming GOAT. Actually, he was "just" a great player that had two amazing weeks at the USO. Nothing more, nothing less.

When I see people being actually surprised that Fed defeated him it show how distorted people's view are when it comes to Juan. Sure he can beat Fed, as he did a couple of times. But when he beats Roger it is an upset, not the expected result.

I am glad Roger won a title. Good to see him fighting for smaller titles. And great to see DelPo is back. I mean, the real DelPo, not the imaginary one some folks created on their heads.

Very well put. Sure Delpo has his weaknesses in his game, but he is definitely a talent and maybe in a couple of years he can tighten his game. Of course Federer is still a tough opponent for him, but he is a lot more experienced.

habibko
02-19-2012, 09:07 PM
k73fARQ5P9w

heya
02-19-2012, 09:15 PM
as the case with most of the tour, fiery toughness, plan b and athleticness are not big del potro traits.

abraxas21
02-19-2012, 09:23 PM
grandpa federer is a man on a mission

Vida
02-19-2012, 09:25 PM
congrats to fed, good job. I kinda thought delpo might win this.

abraxas21
02-19-2012, 09:27 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0b0i7bHgyq4mI/1000x.jpg

Not bad old man, not bad at all ;)

those bowls should come with some chips in them

swebright
02-19-2012, 09:34 PM
Big bowl and small bowl ......

JayR
02-19-2012, 09:56 PM
those bowls should come with some chips in them

Big bowl and small bowl ......

:lol:

Serving bowl and soup bowl. Such style and imagination showed here...

fast_clay
02-19-2012, 10:20 PM
k73fARQ5P9w

cheers habinko... looks like the rumour is true then mate... huh...?

Crazy Girl
02-19-2012, 10:24 PM
:hatoff:

:hatoff:

:hatoff:

Kat_YYZ
02-19-2012, 10:27 PM
:lol:

Serving bowl and soup bowl. Such style and imagination showed here...

http://www.vassfamily.net/ToyotaPrius/rimscaps/MyHubCap.jpg

nole_no1
02-19-2012, 10:29 PM
Again Del Potro can't play against Federer :confused:

Singularity
02-19-2012, 10:46 PM
As much as I like DelPo, he created such a strange effect on MTF. I don't consider his maiden GS title a fluke, but people created such a distorted view on him. The guy is a great player, hopefully he will win another GS title. But despite having clutch moments, he was never a clutch player. His killer instinct was never his strongest suit. And his game was always limited ... people in here think that back in 2009 he was on the verge of becoming GOAT. Actually, he was "just" a great player that had two amazing weeks at the USO. Nothing more, nothing less.

When I see people being actually surprised that Fed defeated him it show how distorted people's view are when it comes to Juan. Sure he can beat Fed, as he did a couple of times. But when he beats Roger it is an upset, not the expected result.

I am glad Roger won a title. Good to see him fighting for smaller titles. And great to see DelPo is back. I mean, the real DelPo, not the imaginary one some folks created on their heads.
People were talking about his mental fortitude long before the USO. That year he had a good tie break record and a very good record in deciding sets, despite not having an amazing serve. He beat Nadal from behind in Miami, and almost beat Federer at the FO (and physical fitness played a part in that result). In that context, coming back from behind to beat Federer at the USO wasn't an aberration.

fmolinari2005
02-19-2012, 11:02 PM
People were talking about his mental fortitude long before the USO. That year he had a good tie break record and a very good record in deciding sets, despite not having an amazing serve. He beat Nadal from behind in Miami, and almost beat Federer at the FO (and physical fitness played a part in that result). In that context, coming back from behind to beat Federer at the USO wasn't an aberration.

I didn't see the USO victory as an aberration, but as an upset. Roger was the clear cut favorite. But that is beside the point. I do see what you mean: yes, back in 09 DelPo started getting over the mental hurdle that was beating the top players and was becoming a top player himself. But that is pretty much it ... it is not as if he was becoming famous as this toughest opponent mentally out there, but mainly he was stopping being a guy that would fight real hard against the top three just to lose at the very end.

Back to the match. Oh boy, did I miss this kind of tennis or what?! Not only because Fed won, but how cool it is to see more shotmaking and less chest beating/ fist pumping.

Singularity
02-19-2012, 11:21 PM
I didn't see the USO victory as an aberration, but as an upset. Roger was the clear cut favorite. But that is beside the point. I do see what you mean: yes, back in 09 DelPo started getting over the mental hurdle that was beating the top players and was becoming a top player himself. But that is pretty much it ... it is not as if he was becoming famous as this toughest opponent mentally out there, but mainly he was stopping being a guy that would fight real hard against the top three just to lose at the very end.
And that's all anyone could expect at his age, and his position in the rankings. He was on course to becoming a truly great player.

We don't know what he would have become, because that course was interrupted. So sure, we can't say he made a reputation of being mentally tough, but equally, things might have been different if he hadn't been injured.

habibko
02-19-2012, 11:23 PM
cheers habinko... looks like the rumour is true then mate... huh...?

which?

Mae
02-19-2012, 11:41 PM
Juan :sad:

fmolinari2005
02-19-2012, 11:47 PM
We don't know what he would have become, because that course was interrupted. So sure, we can't say he made a reputation of being mentally tough, but equally, things might have been different if he hadn't been injured.

I wish I could see things like this. But I am not sold on this theory. I follow DelPo's career since 05, when a friend of mine from Argentina told me to keep an eye on him. I do think that injuries hindered his career (I would have to be stupid not to agree on that). But it seems that most latin players have a hard time adjusting their careers with their celebrity status. It happened to Guga for example. I won't even mention Gaudio, because the guy was just not right in the brain departament. The injury took him off track big time, but I am just not sure that the USO title was THE breakthrough. I suppose it was similar to Nole's first GS title ...

I am pulling for JMDP. The guy got such a flashy game. It is pleasure watching the guy hitting groundtrokes. Tennis needs guys like him. The great news is that the guy is climbing up the rankings. It seems that his wrist is holding up. And maybe going throught those tough moments can actually make his mental resolve stronger. That is the issue, in the end. A really mentally strong player won't be derailed by an injury that didn't kill his career. So maybe that is what Juan is doing ... getting back on top. The writting is on the wall it seems.

Jamoz
02-20-2012, 12:51 AM
Great match Huan Marty Del Monte :help::facepalm:

FlameOn
02-20-2012, 12:57 AM
Delpo :o.

Corey Feldman
02-20-2012, 01:05 AM
this is what Fed can do when he doesnt have Wawrinka and babies distracting him in practise

cobalt60
02-20-2012, 01:09 AM
As much as I like DelPo, he created such a strange effect on MTF. I don't consider his maiden GS title a fluke, but people created such a distorted view on him. The guy is a great player, hopefully he will win another GS title. But despite having clutch moments, he was never a clutch player. His killer instinct was never his strongest suit. And his game was always limited ... people in here think that back in 2009 he was on the verge of becoming GOAT. Actually, he was "just" a great player that had two amazing weeks at the USO. Nothing more, nothing less.

When I see people being actually surprised that Fed defeated him it show how distorted people's view are when it comes to Juan. Sure he can beat Fed, as he did a couple of times. But when he beats Roger it is an upset, not the expected result.

I am glad Roger won a title. Good to see him fighting for smaller titles. And great to see DelPo is back. I mean, the real DelPo, not the imaginary one some folks created on their heads.

Well said.

BroTree123
02-20-2012, 01:18 AM
http://people.e-guides.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/TomasBerdych02.jpg

MuzzahLovah
02-20-2012, 01:19 AM
Yes, there are these variables at play.... But this is really more proof that without the serious mental, physical and strategic challenges posed by Nadal and Djokovic, Federer would be challenging Graf and Court for slam records.

.....

:haha: What if Graf never had to play Martina or Chrissy or Seles? Come now, lets stop pretending Fed is the only one who had to deal with serious rivals.

MuzzahLovah
02-20-2012, 01:27 AM
http://people.e-guides.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/TomasBerdych02.jpg

:hearts:
:hug:
:lick:

He's too pretty for tennis anyways. But yeah, it's funny how Del Po was so dominant only to be so dominated in the final.

Art&Soul
02-20-2012, 01:38 AM
Congrats to another title, GOAT ;) Delpo, good luck next time :)

Naudio Spanlatine
02-20-2012, 01:41 AM
http://people.e-guides.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/TomasBerdych02.jpg
:secret: i think i just got wet....*wet*:angel:

Congrats to another title, GOAT ;) Delpo, good luck next time :)
I still love your avi how adorable:hearts: :hearts:

allpro
02-20-2012, 01:43 AM
i only caught the first set but fed’s movement looked much improved and his variety just killed the ball-basher.

fast_clay
02-20-2012, 02:06 AM
which?

the early season special of €150K discount off appearance fee in return for configurated court surface specs in the first half of the point collecting road to #1... extra 800 points this year...

fast_clay
02-20-2012, 02:11 AM
really was a good performance by the looks

zlaja777
02-20-2012, 02:15 AM
@jon_wertheim
Well-placed sources on the Federer Rotterdam appearance fee: $1 million tax free. Wow.

Holy shit. Thats almost like winning Wimbledon.

LisaKoh
02-20-2012, 02:29 AM
A million buckeroos for a couple of matches and a super tiebreak, wow. Probably got a bonus from Nike for winning that too. I wonder how much guys like Del Potro and Berdych command for tournies like this. I also wonder how much Davydenko gets to tank close third sets when a million dollars in appearance fees is circling the drain. (Just kidding!)

That's a strange rumor about the revamped surfaces and the discount that Federer supposedly gave them. Maybe he can go to Wimbledon and tell them he'll forfeit all the prize money if they stop sanding down the courts. Then he can go to Australia and tell them he'll donate money to revamp Melbourne park and make the Plexipave fast. He can go to the US and offer to switch citizenship if they keep the courts faster.

Jokes aside, I think that the balls for the open in Australia really hurt his game. He should tell Wilson that he'll knock a couple million off his endorsement fees if they make those godawful AO balls lighter.

fast_clay
02-20-2012, 02:33 AM
Jokes aside, I think that the balls for the open in Australia really hurt his game. He should tell Wilson that he'll knock a couple million off his endorsement fees if they make those godawful AO balls lighter.

jokes aside, i think nadal beating federer in the semi final of the richest tennis tournament in the world is a shock... federer was in good form...

LisaKoh
02-20-2012, 02:37 AM
Not really. You can count on Federer losing to Nadal in a slam like you can count on the sun rising.

TennisGrandSlam
02-20-2012, 06:23 AM
Now,

Federer = Lendl

Nadal = Becker

Djokovic = Edberg

samanosuke
02-20-2012, 07:15 AM
@jon_wertheim


Holy shit. Thats almost like winning Wimbledon.

this is public secret all these years :shrug: . at every non master 1000 or gs he gets at least a million for appearance, in Dubai even more

duong
02-20-2012, 07:53 AM
Good week for Pony but he's still waaaay too far from the top 4. His game may be back but his mentality sure isn't.

Last year, in the beginning of the year, Del Potro was more clutch than ever, then I mean it's not a problem of mentality :shrug:

I think it's rather the opposite : it's the game which is not fully back yet.

Besides, Fed played great yesterday, using his confidence from the great match against Davydenko on saturday, and far quicker than Berdych on saturday, there's no comparison : Del Potro's relative weakness is his movement and when the opponent plays like that, it can be seen.

Haelfix
02-20-2012, 07:58 AM
Federer played a great first set, but come on DP just didn't have it this match. His serve in particular was easy to read, even for someone watching on TV. Fed had it zeroed early, and the bottomline is you just aren't going to beat a top guy with that type of service performance.

duong
02-20-2012, 07:59 AM
this is public secret all these years :shrug: . at every non master 1000 or gs he gets at least a million for appearance, in Dubai even more

Director of Marseilles tournament (Caujolle, who was director of Bercy tournament previous years as well) says that for Federer, Nadal and Djokovic to play Halle this year, Halle tournament must have paid them around 3 million dollars :

http://www.welovetennis.fr/open-13/44896-jfcaujolle-je-suis-un-de-ceux-qui-paie-le-mieux-et-ca-se-sait

Besides, there may also be the British tax effect, which Nadal had emphasized to explain he would not play the Queens this year.

duong
02-20-2012, 08:02 AM
Federer played a great first set, but come on DP just didn't have it this match. His serve in particular was easy to read, even for someone watching on TV. Fed had it zeroed early, and the bottomline is you just aren't going to beat a top guy with that type of service performance.

in both semifinal and final, there were very few serve winners, even with servers like Fed, Berdych and Del Po.

Federer served 49% yesterday, it's very seldom his percentage is that low. But his baseline game was something special yesterday.

SERBINATOR
02-20-2012, 08:06 AM
Director of Marseilles tournament (Caujolle, who was director of Bercy tournament previous years as well) says that for Federer, Nadal and Djokovic to play Halle this year, Halle tournament must have paid them around 3 million dollars :

http://www.welovetennis.fr/open-13/44896-jfcaujolle-je-suis-un-de-ceux-qui-paie-le-mieux-et-ca-se-sait

Besides, there may also be the British tax effect, which Nadal had emphasized to explain he would not play the Queens this year.


:eek::eek:

That's what 2 slam Prize money combined ?

LocoPorElTenis
02-20-2012, 09:12 AM
Last year, in the beginning of the year, Del Potro was more clutch than ever, then I mean it's not a problem of mentality :shrug:

I think it's rather the opposite : it's the game which is not fully back yet.

Besides, Fed played great yesterday, using his confidence from the great match against Davydenko on saturday, and far quicker than Berdych on saturday, there's no comparison : Del Potro's relative weakness is his movement and when the opponent plays like that, it can be seen.

Early last year it's a long time ago... he hasn't been clutch in big matches as he used to, rather the opposite. Of course both things go hand in hand... lack of confidence in his shots contributed to the ridiculously passive play in all bps.

In the first set, Fed was in JesusFed mode and there was nothing Pony (or any player other than Nadal or Nole) could do. But the second set was close in terms of level of play and it went down to clutchness to play the big points, and Del Potro failed there miserably (and Fed is not an especially clutch player).

duong
02-20-2012, 11:18 AM
Early last year it's a long time ago... he hasn't been clutch in big matches as he used to, rather the opposite. Of course both things go hand in hand... lack of confidence in his shots contributed to the ridiculously passive play in all bps.

In the first set, Fed was in JesusFed mode and there was nothing Pony (or any player other than Nadal or Nole) could do. But the second set was close in terms of level of play and it went down to clutchness to play the big points, and Del Potro failed there miserably (and Fed is not an especially clutch player).

Yes you're right he hasn't looked as clutch recently as he had in the beginning of last year, but I don't think you can say that Del Potro has played anytime this year as well as he did at his best,

I haven't seen recently any shots as lethal as he had at his best, against Berdych he didn't need them (he was hitting the ball well, yes, but without going too much for his shots) and yesterday he only tried some when he was behind Fed ... and mostly missed them.

Then I still think it's mostly a matter of level of play.

On this website people are obsessed about "big points", but if your level is better, you play better, and quite often it's especially visible on big points because you have no choice.

Also it's on big points that your confidence is mostly visible, it's true, and confidence may partly explain why Del Potro is not back at his best yet.

Anyway, as a Fedfan, what I can say is that contrary to what often happens to me, I was not afraid if Del Potro had broken back because in terms of level of play, Fed still looked very good to me by the end of second set while Del Potro was not a level above him (and as an evidence of that, Fed still had break points -which were match points- on Del Potro's serve after saving break points). I had very different feelings in many Fed matches, including US Open 2009 final and Wimbledon 2011 against Tsonga.

PS : Federer is still by far the recordman in % of tie-breaks won, which doesn't fit the "MTF theory" about who is clutch and who is not. It's just more complicated than that, it's also about your level, your consistency, your kind of game, etc ...

BroTree123
02-20-2012, 12:02 PM
:secret: i think i just got wet....*wet*:angel:

:secret:Getting wet over Tomas.....ummmmm okay :help:. Nah I don't care, it's your body :p. Plus, I'm sure he would appreciate your "gesture" :angel:.

But one things for sure -- his exact reaction to delPo's performance against Fed...and knowing he would have given Fed a better fight :o

BroTree123
02-20-2012, 12:05 PM
:hearts:
:hug:
:lick:

He's too pretty for tennis anyways. But yeah, it's funny how Del Po was so dominant only to be so dominated in the final.

It seems there's quite alot of men that take your fancy :)

duong
02-20-2012, 12:30 PM
Maybe Del Potro could have raised his level to the level he had had in the past if the match had been longer yesterday.

He looks on the verge to that,

but he had not had enough rhythm against Berdych, it had been too easy, was not prepared to Federer's rhythm and level yet, while as Fed said, it's the match against Davydenko which had given him the rhythm and the confidence.

Sophocles
02-20-2012, 12:55 PM
Basically Del Potro has a match-up problem with Federer - can't handle the variety from an in-form Fed, except when he himself plays at a spectacularly high level.

Imperfect Angel
02-20-2012, 01:35 PM
Title #71! :banana: At least he won't go titleless this year.:p
Del Pony :hug: Nice try next time.:oh:

LisaKoh
02-20-2012, 01:47 PM
Maybe Del Potro could have raised his level to the level he had had in the past if the match had been longer yesterday.

He looks on the verge to that,

but he had not had enough rhythm against Berdych, it had been too easy, was not prepared to Federer's rhythm and level yet, while as Fed said, it's the match against Davydenko which had given him the rhythm and the confidence.

I disagree, I think he had plenty of rhythm against Berdych which is why he was able to beat him. Del Po is a rhythm player and he loves to trade groundstrokes all day long. Berdych made a mistake in thinking that he could hang with DelPo from the baseline which is why he got beaten up so badly. The trick with DelPo is to play junk with slices and drop shots. He hates drop shots, I think there's video of a match where Federer just kept hitting drop shot after drop shot and Del Potro couldn't do anything. Explains Murray's success against him too.

Berdych plays the same power baseline game that Del Potro does but Del Potro does it better. If Berdych wanted to beat him, he could have done it if he was willing to use slice and all kinds of other junky shots. Problem is, Berdych doesn't have that kind of touch.

duong
02-20-2012, 01:55 PM
I disagree, I think he had plenty of rhythm against Berdych which is why he was able to beat him. Del Po is a rhythm player and he loves to trade groundstrokes all day long. Berdych made a mistake in thinking that he could hang with DelPo from the baseline which is why he got beaten up so badly. The trick with DelPo is to play junk with slices and drop shots. He hates drop shots, I think there's video of a match where Federer just kept hitting drop shot after drop shot and Del Potro couldn't do anything. Explains Murray's success against him too.

Berdych plays the same power baseline game that Del Potro does but Del Potro does it better. If Berdych wanted to beat him, he could have done it if he was willing to use slice and all kinds of other junky shots. Problem is, Berdych doesn't have that kind of touch.

Maybe the word "rhythm" is not the correct one in my mind : I mean it went much quicker in Fed-Davydenko's match than in Del Po-Berdych's match.

The rhythm was regular between Del Po and Berdych but it was not very quick imo hence Del Po had enough time to prepare his shots.

Fed played some dropshots against Del Potro yesterday, and he used his sliced backhand quite a lot, but beside that, he also played quicker than Berdych.

buzz
02-20-2012, 02:02 PM
Berdych plays the same power baseline game that Del Potro does but Del Potro does it better. If Berdych wanted to beat him, he could have done it if he was willing to use slice and all kinds of other junky shots. Problem is, Berdych doesn't have that kind of touch.

so he can't:o

LisaKoh
02-20-2012, 02:18 PM
so he can't:o

Can't hit slices, drop shots and other junk? I'm sure Berdych can but as for the quality of their execution, he wouldn't be as adept at doing slices as, say, a Santoro.

Slice Winner
02-20-2012, 02:29 PM
I disagree, I think he had plenty of rhythm against Berdych which is why he was able to beat him. Del Po is a rhythm player and he loves to trade groundstrokes all day long. Berdych made a mistake in thinking that he could hang with DelPo from the baseline which is why he got beaten up so badly. The trick with DelPo is to play junk with slices and drop shots. He hates drop shots, I think there's video of a match where Federer just kept hitting drop shot after drop shot and Del Potro couldn't do anything. Explains Murray's success against him too.

Berdych plays the same power baseline game that Del Potro does but Del Potro does it better. If Berdych wanted to beat him, he could have done it if he was willing to use slice and all kinds of other junky shots. Problem is, Berdych doesn't have that kind of touch.

Indeed. Federer used quite a few (esp. forehand) dropshots against delPo yesterday.
And here's that hilarious video you mentioned:

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azinna
02-20-2012, 05:01 PM
:haha: What if Graf never had to play Martina or Chrissy or Seles? Come now, lets stop pretending Fed is the only one who had to deal with serious rivals.

Oh, I completely agree that all greats faced serious rivals. And I'm glad Federer has had to. There was too much worshiping going on during the mid-00s. Likewise, I feel his post-'07 slam-winning rate has much more to do with his competition than slight declines in his game, as evidenced by what occurs when Nadal or Djokovic are not on point.

....

samanosuke
02-20-2012, 06:48 PM
Director of Marseilles tournament (Caujolle, who was director of Bercy tournament previous years as well) says that for Federer, Nadal and Djokovic to play Halle this year, Halle tournament must have paid them around 3 million dollars :

http://www.welovetennis.fr/open-13/44896-jfcaujolle-je-suis-un-de-ceux-qui-paie-le-mieux-et-ca-se-sait

Besides, there may also be the British tax effect, which Nadal had emphasized to explain he would not play the Queens this year.

doubt this is true . last what i'v heard that nadal getting from 300-500K and Nole 200-300K . even if Fed last year lacked heavily for Nadal and Nole he earned just from sponsors more than Nadal and Nole together

zcess81
02-20-2012, 06:55 PM
Basically what this tournament highlights is that if Nole and Rafa were about to retire tomorrow Fed would be winning 2/4 slams minimum...if not more. As an example, see what happened in RG few years back when Rafa and Nole were knocked out early in the tournament...Fed took the title.

Lleyton_
02-20-2012, 07:07 PM
:haha: What if Graf never had to play Martina or Chrissy or Seles? Come now, lets stop pretending Fed is the only one who had to deal with serious rivals.

Graf had serious rivals? :superlol: Grandma Navratilova was her biggest rival until Seles dethroned her in the middle of her prime and then the stabbing happened. Graf is Federer without Nadal for a couple of years. Overachiever of the most undeserving kind.

habibko
02-20-2012, 07:21 PM
the early season special of €150K discount off appearance fee in return for configurated court surface specs in the first half of the point collecting road to #1... extra 800 points this year...

haven't heard of that, if I understood it correctly it sounds like a bribe to speed up the courts, which I highly doubt Federer or any top player would be allowed to do that, let alone attempting such a thing

fast_clay
02-20-2012, 07:29 PM
haven't heard of that, if I understood it correctly it sounds like a bribe to speed up the courts, which I highly doubt Federer or any top player would be allowed to do that, let alone attempting such a thing

oh don't worry mate... fed can do this... has done this... and he will do again...

that is because federer is a playa... a hustler... he has been around the block... he has the know how...

Corey Feldman
02-20-2012, 09:45 PM
The old weeper can only win the tournament if and only if there is no Nadal & Djokovic, it's that simple :wavey:Nadal and Djokovic better be thankful not any slams are Indoors which is the only surface left where real tennis gets played

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7pYkVtOAa7c/TPZRLQhctVI/AAAAAAAABYA/f6pLiEMCT60/s1600/nadal%2Bhugs%2Bdjokovic...%2Bdjokovic%2Bwalks%2Bof f%2Bcrying.bmp

Slice Winner
02-20-2012, 11:10 PM
oh don't worry mate... fed can do this... has done this... and he will do again...

that is because federer is a playa... a hustler... he has been around the block... he has the know how...

The courts were actually slowed this year, so I'm not sure how much sense these rumours make.

That said, the conditions, although slower, were still almost ideal for Fed.

Shirogane
02-21-2012, 12:23 AM
oh don't worry mate... fed can do this... has done this... and he will do again...

that is because federer is a playa... a hustler... he has been around the block... he has the know how...Briberer :cool: :worship:

abraxas21
02-21-2012, 12:35 AM
it's a common MTF misconception to think that the court's speed is a very important factor for federer. it isn't. what matters the most to him is the bounce's hight.

federer can play at or near his best in a low bouncing and slow court. hence he has succeded in the WTF (slow and low bouncing hardcourt) and in hamburg (slow and low bouncing claycourt). even grass the changes can be seen. when the grass was lower, federer was better. his forehand worked better and his backhand worked a LOT better.

duong
02-21-2012, 12:52 AM
it's a common MTF misconception to think that the court's speed is a very important factor for federer. it isn't. what matters the most to him is the bounce's hight.

federer can play at or near his best in a low bouncing and slow court. hence he has succeded in the WTF (slow and low bouncing hardcourt) and in hamburg (slow and low bouncing claycourt). even grass the changes can be seen. when the grass was lower, federer was better. his forehand worked better and his backhand worked a LOT better.

yes the bounce is very important, but more than the court it's the balls as well I think (better not heavy balls for him).

Recently I've often read the players speaking about the balls rather than about the courts.

And the weather which can change much the conditions when it's played outside (when he played against Nadal in Melbourne it was a cold day, and humidity can change the conditions much as well ; in Wimbledon the bounce is lower in second week when it's a rainy fortnight like in 2001 or 2007 rather than after a dry weather like in 2009).

And of course it depends who the opponent is.

Nidhogg
02-21-2012, 11:19 AM
Good way for Fed to bounce back after that lousy DC performance. Nice to see Davy show signs of him still being alive too.

coonster14
02-21-2012, 11:25 AM
Delpo :sad:, was pulling for him to win this one, he needs a win against one of the top 4 guys, this would have been a good confidence booster for him. Well, now he is back in the Top 10, should be #7 or #8 hopefully around IW/Miami.

Congrats Roger on title #71! He is just a horrible match-up for Delpo, H2H is now 9-2 :o

Slice Winner
02-21-2012, 11:36 AM
with that kind of play (massive grinding) he won't be able to play until the age of 30 or above. his game is much more physical than federer's. djokovic was totally burned-out at the end of last season, while roger won 3 tournaments in a row (he also did always well in his prime at the end of a season).

Yea, Agassi was 1) much more aggressive than Nole, which meant he didn't have to move as much, and
2) was able to continue playing well into his 30s, because he spent a chunk of his 20s chillin' in a meth lab, not burning out his body (just his mind, yo).