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Rank the following qualities of the top 4 from 1 to 10

Federer in 2
02-18-2012, 08:28 PM
Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray

Forehand -
Backhand -
Serve -
Physical Strength & Fitness -
Mental Strength -
Tactics -

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Djoko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 8.5

Rafa
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 7
Serve - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 8.5
Tactics - 8

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 6
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 9.5

Murray
Forehand - 7.5
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7.5
Mental Strength - 5
Tactics - 8

Vida
02-18-2012, 08:47 PM
reckon thats about it.

lidal
02-18-2012, 09:00 PM
Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray

...
Roger
....
Backhand - 8
...

Murray
...
Backhand - 7.5
...


:spit:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FIDDxiouKD0/SRXMpftEYTI/AAAAAAAAArs/vmrVGRTnaoE/s400/shanghai8.jpg

:superlol:

superandy88
02-18-2012, 09:02 PM
Djoko
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 8

Rafa
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 6
Serve - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 8

Roger
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 6

Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 8

BauerAlmeida
02-18-2012, 09:06 PM
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Djoko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 8.5

Rafa
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 7
Serve - 6.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 8

Roger
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 9.5

Murray
Forehand - 7.5
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 5
Tactics - 8

SerialKillerToBe
02-18-2012, 09:08 PM
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Roger

Tactics - 9.5


:spit:

Slice Winner
02-18-2012, 09:09 PM
This thread will be a source of humour for some time to come.
Most of it will arise from what people give Roger's backhand.

GSMnadal
02-18-2012, 09:09 PM
Djokovic
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 10
Serve - 10
Physical Strength & Fitness - 99
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 10

Ajde!

UsD.AnDreS
02-18-2012, 09:11 PM
:spit:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FIDDxiouKD0/SRXMpftEYTI/AAAAAAAAArs/vmrVGRTnaoE/s400/shanghai8.jpg

:superlol:

omg))) how were you able to find such an appropriate pic is beyond my imagination lol)

Roamed
02-18-2012, 09:14 PM
:spit:

Why don't you post your own scores instead of mocking other people's?

Fed Express
02-18-2012, 09:17 PM
Djoko
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 8

Total: 50

Rafa
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 6
Serve - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 6

Total: 46

Roger
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Tactics - 8

Total: 52

Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 7

Total: 44

Vida
02-18-2012, 09:23 PM
^djoko has a beter fh than muzz.

samanosuke
02-18-2012, 09:25 PM
Current versions

Djoko
Forehand - 7,5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 9,5
Tactics - 8.5

Rafa
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 6,5
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 8
Tactics - no tactic

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 6,5
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 7,5
Tactics - 7,5

Murray
Forehand - 6,5
Backhand - 8,5
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8,5
Mental Strength - 6,5
Tactics - 8


Peak versions

Djoko
Forehand - 7,5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 9,5
Tactics - 8.5

Rafa
Forehand - 8,5
Backhand - 7,5
Serve - 7,5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - still no tactic


Roger
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 7,5
Serve - 8,5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9,5
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 8,5

Murray
Forehand - 6,5
Backhand - 8,5
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8,5
Mental Strength - 6,5
Tactics - 8

Voo de Mar
02-18-2012, 09:27 PM
I added also skills at the net...

Djokovic

Forehand - 10
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7
Volley/smash: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 9

Nadal

Forehand - 10
Backhand - 8
Serve - 7
Volley/smash: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 7

Federer

Forehand - 9
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9
Volley/smash: 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 8
Tactics - 9

Murray

Forehand - 8
Backhand - 8
Serve - 8
Volley/smash: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 9

Total:

61 - Djokovic
60 - Federer
59 - Murray
58 - Nadal

Nole Rules
02-18-2012, 09:28 PM
Nole
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 10
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 8.5

Rafa
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 7
Serve - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9.5
Tactics - 8

Roger
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 8.5

Murray
Forehand - 7.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8.5
Mental Strength - 5
Tactics - 8.5

GSMnadal
02-18-2012, 09:29 PM
Rafa
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7,5
Serve - 7 (because of the first, 2nd is about a 3)
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 8,5
Tactics - 9

total: 51

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7,5
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 7

total: 46,5

Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 8,5
Serve - 7,5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 8

total: 47

Seems about right

SerialKillerToBe
02-18-2012, 09:30 PM
Why don't you post your own scores instead of mocking other people's?

sure if you really want me to.

Djoko
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 9

Rafa
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 6
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9.5
Tactics - 7

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 7

Murray
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8.5
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 8

samanosuke
02-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Rafa

Physical Strength & Fitness - 10


Roger

Physical Strength & Fitness - 7,5



:spit:

I bet everything I have that Fed owns Rafa on pure stamina

ballbasher101
02-18-2012, 09:37 PM
Djoko
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 8
Serve - 7.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 8.5

Rafa
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 6.5
Serve - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 8.5
Tactics - 8

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 9.5

Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 8
Serve - 7.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7.5
Mental Strength - 5
Tactics - 8

GSMnadal
02-18-2012, 09:39 PM
:spit:

I bet everything I have that Fed owns Rafa on pure stamina

Is that why he can't handle him in 5 setters, seems strange.

He's a much better tennis player than Rafa, right? So the only reason why he can't win 5 setters would be stamina, would it not?

But if he owns Rafa in that department, maybe he's not so blessed after all.

samanosuke
02-18-2012, 09:52 PM
Is that why he can't handle him in 5 setters, seems strange.

He's a much better tennis player than Rafa, right? So the only reason why he can't win 5 setters would be stamina, would it not?

But if he owns Rafa in that department, maybe he's not so blessed after all.

tennis is too complex sport for you to understand it, so i won't waste my time by explaining it to you . just pure mtf explanation , according to nadal tards nadal often loosing matches because of tiredness , and something like that you can't hear from fed tards

imagine how would pig look with taking 19 seconds between the points instead of 35

Ash86
02-18-2012, 09:55 PM
Anyone who thinks Djokovic's forehand ranks higher than or equal to Nadal's is deluded. Nadal's forehand has been one of THE shots in tennis the last 7 years & it'll be remembered after he's gone. Djokovic's won't. Conversely Djokovic's backhand is way better than Nadal's and will be a shot that's remembered.

Similarly, in terms of fitness and mental strength are we talking right now or as an average? Djokovic has been good over the last 12 months or so but otherwise over his career his fitness doesn't compare to Nadal's at all. His number of retirements speak for themselves... Nadal has way more mileage than Djokovic yet was still fit enough to go toe to toe in the Aus Open final so they're pretty equally matched now (Nadal was not fit enough last year though - that was clear in Miami & the US Open...). For mental strength they're both pretty good though Nadal edges it - frankly the fact that he's lost so many times to Novak yet is still fighting as ever says a lot about his mental strength - Novak's assault came out of nowhere and he's managed to stay a strong no. 2 still - not bad.

MTF seems to think Federer, Nadal & Djokovic should be compared in 2011/12 only ignoring the fact that two of those players were much better a few years ago - compare Fed 06, Nadal 08 & Djokovic 11 (Murray has not peaked yet IMO):

Fed/Nad/Djoko
Forehand: 10/9/7
Backhand: 7/6/9
Serve: 10/6/6.5 (Both Nadal & Djokovic have pretty unimpressive serves - Djoko's isn't miles better than Nadal's IMO - slightly better but not much)
Fitness: 8/11/9 (Nadal 08: fittest player ever)
Mental Strength: 8/11/9 (Nadal 08-early 09: mentally strongest ever- Wimbledon 08 final, Olympics 08 semi, Aus Open 09 final, IW 09 against Nalbandian - 4 MPs saved, Madrid 09 semi vs Djoko)
Tactics: 6/9/9 (All 3 do and did great against the field so you can't say they're bad tactically - Fed I just don't think has had to change much tactically against most players as his level at his peak was too good for most. The other two have shown more willingness to adapt partly because they've had to - so rate higher. Fed was stubborn to make any changes vs Nadal; Nadal on the other hand is and has been making changes vs Djokovic - just because those changes are difficult to put in place doesn't mean your tactics aren't good or you're not a good tactician...)

Fed, Nadal & Djoko all have one incredible wing (FH/FH/BH) but it's interesting that only Fed has the amazing serve given that the serve used to be so important in the game. What Nadal and Djokovic have that isn't listed is movement - they move better than all other players - look at Nadal's footwork - it's on a different planet to fellow top tenners like Berdych, Fish etc. The modern game is about precision and movement. Nadal and Djokovic have great court coverage, insane defence and brilliant footwork - Fed's obviously very very good too but would give Rafole the edge in those categories...

Gillouthe best
02-18-2012, 09:57 PM
Nole:
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand: 9
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9.5
Mental Strength: 10
Tactics: 8

Nadal:
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 7
Serve: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9.5
Mental Strength: 8
Tactics: 9

Roger:
Forehand: 9.5
Backhand: 7.5
Serve: 9
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 6.5
Tactics: 7.5

Murray:
Forehand: 7.5
Backhand: 8.5
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 7.5
Tactics: 9

SerialKillerToBe
02-18-2012, 09:57 PM
^^^

I assumed we were talking about their scores CURRENTLY. If this topic is for the top 4 in the past 5 years, then my scores for Nadal and Federer would be higher.

GSMnadal
02-18-2012, 10:00 PM
tennis is too complex sport for you to understand it, so i won't waste my time by explaining it to you . just pure mtf explanation , according to nadal tards nadal often loosing matches because of tiredness , and something like that you can't hear from fed tards

imagine how would pig look with taking 19 seconds between the points instead of 35

When they play eachother they both get that time off between points, and yet Nadal always pulls it out in the end. But I'm willing to believe you on this one, the reason Nadal beats him all the time in 5 setters is because he's just a better big match player.

As for your statement that Fedtards don't ever come up with tired excuses, you're right. They always go for the bad back, doesn't care, mono, twins excuses. Much more legitimate obviously.

samanosuke
02-18-2012, 10:05 PM
When they play eachother they both get that time off between points, and yet Nadal always pulls it out in the end. But I'm willing to believe you on this one, the reason Nadal beats him all the time in 5 setters is because he's just a better big match player.

As for your statement that Fedtards don't ever come up with tired excuses, you're right. They always go for the bad back, doesn't care, mono, twins excuses. Much more legitimate obviously.


you are on wrong trace . we are discussing about fitness and physical strength not about mental mental strength .

broxi51
02-18-2012, 10:19 PM
surely the return should have been added, important skill set in their games

Smiling Buddha
02-18-2012, 10:27 PM
Djokovic
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 10
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 7

Rafa
Forehand - 7
Backhand - lol
Serve - lol
Physical Strength & Fitness - depends on whether you are talking about his skills or skills acquired elsewhere.
Mental Strength - Against Djokovic 3, against others 10
Tactics - lol

Roger
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 8
Tactics - 10

Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 2
Tactics - 7

ssin
02-18-2012, 10:42 PM
Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray

Federer
Tactics - 9.5



accurate enough, except for that 9.5 for Federer's tactics. He is famous for his stubbornness and reluctance to adapt his game to opponents. That is why for example Nadal hurt him so much, while Novak constantly tried to figure out Rafa, which he eventually did.

Federer is the worst tactician of the four, imo.

Bashak
02-18-2012, 11:07 PM
Is this one of those mtfglish word choice situations like underrented?

BauerAlmeida
02-18-2012, 11:31 PM
accurate enough, except for that 9.5 for Federer's tactics. He is famous for his stubbornness and reluctance to adapt his game to opponents. That is why for example Nadal hurt him so much, while Novak constantly tried to figure out Rafa, which he eventually did.

Federer is the worst tactician of the four, imo.

He did that against Hewitt and Nalbandián.

Sapeod
02-18-2012, 11:34 PM
CURRENT VERSONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent :haha:
Tactics - 7. He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.

NADAL: 42/60
Forehand - 7, not great.
Backhand - 7, not great.
Serve - 5, he has a horrible serve :lol:
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, is falling.
Mental Strength - 9, same as ever.
Tactics - 5. Nadal has tactics? :confused: He just grinds, like Djokovic.

FEDERER: 44/60
Forehand - 8, still very good.
Backhand - 5, to be honest, it's a joke.
Serve - 7, not as good anymore.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he is old now, but there's nothing wrong with him physically.
Mental Strength - 8, still relatively strong.
Tactics - 7, not as good as they once were.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.


PEAK VERSIONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
The same as his current version.
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent :haha:
Tactics - 7 (He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.)

FEDERER: 59/60
Forehand - 10, the best.
Backhand - 10, amazing.
Serve - 10, unbreakable.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the fittest and strongest guys ever. Hardly ever got injured.
Mental Strength - 9, not the best, but still very good.
Tactics - 10, unstoppable.

NADAL: 45/60
Forehand - 8, overrated, but still very good.
Backhand - 7, it's never been great.
Serve - 6, has always been mediocre.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the best, though his constant timeouts would get him a lower score, if it wasn't for the fact that they're all fake.
Mental Strength - 9, very good usually.
Tactics - 5, he's just a grinder.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.

Yes, I know I put Murray above peak Djokovic, but that's based on these categories. Overall, Djokovic is obviously better atm, though Murray is very close and at his peak, would be on a similar, if not higher, level.

Ash86
02-18-2012, 11:46 PM
CURRENT VERSONS:
PEAK VERSIONS:

NADAL: 45/60
Forehand - 8, overrated, but still very good.
Backhand - 7, it's never been great.
Serve - 6, has always been mediocre.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the best, though his constant timeouts would get him a lower score, if it wasn't for the fact that they're all fake.
Mental Strength - 9, very good usually.
Tactics - 5, he's just a grinder.

MURRAY: 52/60Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.

Yes, I know I put Murray above peak Djokovic, but that's based on these categories. Overall, Djokovic is obviously better atm, though Murray is very close and at his peak, would be on a similar, if not higher, level.

So Nadal at his peak is just 45/60 yet is an all time great with ridiculous records, 10 slams, Masters record etc. whilst Murray is 52 and yet to win a slam. Please do explain. :help:

Some obvious errors - Nadal's serve is apparently 6 while Murray's 8. Nadal's serve though not fast is dependable and crucially he has a high first serve % usually. Murray's first serve is way better than Nadal's but he has a much lower % and has a much much worse second serve. Murray himself has said Nadal's 2nd serve is quite difficult to return and he places it well. A dependable good first serve & fairly good second serve for Nadal is better than Murray's great but unpredictable first serve and poor second serve. Murray cannot rank 2 points higher than Nadal on this.

Murray's fitness 9 while Nadal's 10 - hmmm... Murray's fitness which had him utterly gassed at the Aus Open despite hardly being stretched at all till the semifinal. When has he displayed such herculean fitness that it should be a 1 point difference between them? He trains hard but he has in his career lost matches due to fitness issues way more than Nadal has.

Mental Strength - way more than a 3 point difference between him and Nadal there - the reason Nadal has so many slams while Murray, techincally a better player in certain aspects & certainly complete enough to win slams, doesn't is pretty much all mental. Case in point: Wimby 2011 semi. If Nadal is 9, then Murray is 5.

Tactics - 10?! What has he done to show he's so great tactically? Hasn't been working so well vs the top 3. He's good obviously but nothing to show he's better than Nadal or Djokovic... Nadal will often change tactics himself during a match if something isn't working. Very rarely do I see Murray do that...

MuzzahLovah
02-18-2012, 11:49 PM
:spit:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FIDDxiouKD0/SRXMpftEYTI/AAAAAAAAArs/vmrVGRTnaoE/s400/shanghai8.jpg

:superlol:

:eek: :spit: :worship:

ssin
02-18-2012, 11:50 PM
He did that against Hewitt and Nalbandián.

How? Both players suit Fed's style well and it comes natural. On-fire Nalby was a spectacle to behold though, during such rare moments like in 2007 Fed had no solutions for him. Federer has always been very solid and versatile player, but I don't think he planned ahead much or thought much about his opponents.

here's my take anyway

Nole:
Forehand: 8
Backhand: 10
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 9
Tactics: 10

Nadal:
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 7
Serve: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 10
Tactics: 8

Roger:
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 9
Serve: 10
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 7
Tactics: 7

Murray:
Forehand: 8
Backhand: 9
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 6
Tactics: 9
__________________

LisaKoh
02-18-2012, 11:57 PM
Why is the Muzzard even on this list? The top 3 are all multi-slam winners who have been dominant #1 players on the ATP. The Muzzard is just... there.

MuzzahLovah
02-19-2012, 12:03 AM
All scores are based on current form

Djokovic,
Forehand - 9
Backhand -10
Serve -8
Physical Strength & Fitness -9
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 9

Nadal,

Forehand -9
Backhand -8
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 10 (when facing opponents other than Nole. 4-5 when facing Nole)
Tactics - 7

Federer

Forehand -9
Backhand -7
Serve - 10
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7
Mental Strength - 8 (2-3 when facing Nadal)
Tactics - 7

(Note, Nadal and Fed at their peak obviously had 10 forehands, but now they make a lot more errors off that wing)
Murray
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 10
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 9

leng jai
02-19-2012, 12:16 AM
Murray's backhand isn't a 10. His tactics aren't a 9 either. Nole's backhand isn't a 10.

The only stroke that could be given a 10 is Federer's forehand in his absolute prime.

Rogie's backhand rating varies wildly depending on surface. On grass and low bouncing hard court its more like an 8 but on slow high bouncing surfaces its a 6-6.5 these days.

Ajde.

Certinfy
02-19-2012, 12:17 AM
Djokovic:
Forehand: 8
Backhand: 10
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 9
Tactics: 8

Nadal:
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 7
Serve: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 10
Tactics: 8

Federer:
Forehand: 10
Backhand: 6
Serve: 9
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 7
Tactics: 7

Murray:
Forehand: 7
Backhand: 9
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 6
Tactics: 9

leng jai
02-19-2012, 12:21 AM
CURRENT VERSONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent :haha:
Tactics - 7. He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.

NADAL: 42/60
Forehand - 7, not great.
Backhand - 7, not great.
Serve - 5, he has a horrible serve :lol:
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, is falling.
Mental Strength - 9, same as ever.
Tactics - 5. Nadal has tactics? :confused: He just grinds, like Djokovic.

FEDERER: 44/60
Forehand - 8, still very good.
Backhand - 5, to be honest, it's a joke.
Serve - 7, not as good anymore.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he is old now, but there's nothing wrong with him physically.
Mental Strength - 8, still relatively strong.
Tactics - 7, not as good as they once were.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.


PEAK VERSIONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
The same as his current version.
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent :haha:
Tactics - 7 (He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.)

FEDERER: 59/60
Forehand - 10, the best.
Backhand - 10, amazing.
Serve - 10, unbreakable.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the fittest and strongest guys ever. Hardly ever got injured.
Mental Strength - 9, not the best, but still very good.
Tactics - 10, unstoppable.

NADAL: 45/60
Forehand - 8, overrated, but still very good.
Backhand - 7, it's never been great.
Serve - 6, has always been mediocre.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the best, though his constant timeouts would get him a lower score, if it wasn't for the fact that they're all fake.
Mental Strength - 9, very good usually.
Tactics - 5, he's just a grinder.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.

Yes, I know I put Murray above peak Djokovic, but that's based on these categories. Overall, Djokovic is obviously better atm, though Murray is very close and at his peak, would be on a similar, if not higher, level.

My feeble tennis knowledge can't even begin to comprehend the accuracy of this post.

Ajde.

luie
02-19-2012, 12:31 AM
:spit:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FIDDxiouKD0/SRXMpftEYTI/AAAAAAAAArs/vmrVGRTnaoE/s400/shanghai8.jpg

:superlol:
Common rog. you know 2 handers are for amatuers.:o

Slice Winner
02-19-2012, 01:03 AM
I have to lol inwardly at those consistently giving Muzz or Nole super high scores for tactics.

Muzz is tactically good at keeping a rally going really long, but he's also great at being totally clueless and pushing his way to defeat.

And anyone who does the ludicrous drop shot attempts from the baseline as a get out of jail free card (Muzz and Nole) should not score 10 for tactics!!

I would probably even place Nadal above Muzz and Nole, except when facing Nole he has no clue. Normally he's pretty good at constructing points and finding opponents' backh... weaknesses.

Feds is way better tactically than most are giving him credit for here. That's why Fed can damage Nole, and Rafa can't. Watch one of the good Fed/Nole matches for a tactics lesson.

MuzzahLovah
02-19-2012, 01:08 AM
I have to lol inwardly at those consistently giving Muzz or Nole super high scores for tactics.

Muzz is tactically good at keeping a rally going really long, but he's also great at being totally clueless and pushing his way to defeat.

And anyone who does the ludicrous drop shot attempts from the baseline as a get out of jail free card (Muzz and Nole) should not score 10 for tactics!!

I would probably even place Nadal above Muzz and Nole, except when facing Nole he has no clue. Normally he's pretty good at constructing points and finding opponents' backh... weaknesses.

Feds is way better tactically than most are giving him credit for here. That's why Fed can damage Nole, and Rafa can't. Watch one of the good Fed/Nole matches for a tactics lesson.

Yes. Fed is a wizard at tactics- that's why he's played the same match against Nadal for 7 years. Tactical wizard.

Slice Winner
02-19-2012, 01:10 AM
Yes. Fed is a wizard at tactics- that's why he's played the same match against Nadal for 7 years. Tactical wizard.

Yeah his tactics aren't great against Rafa.
But there's not a lot he can do to win that matchup - it requires too high a level of play sustained for too long.
Rafa is similar against Nole.

You can't judge a player's entire tactics based on one matchup.

ballbasher101
02-19-2012, 01:16 AM
People often overrate the Djokovic backhand and underrate his forehand. In my book they are pretty equal. The forehand actually does more damage these days. Most of the scores are pretty consistent and accurate for all the players.

ssin
02-19-2012, 01:22 AM
Rafa is similar against Nole.


Maybe, but Rafa used to kick Novak's ass. At one point Novak was even Rafa's turkey, 14:4, or something close to it, so something has changed obviously, although their matches have always been pretty close.

SaFed2005
02-19-2012, 01:29 AM
I think mental strength especially along with most other attributes should be scored with the player at their peak. I noticed that most people are giving Djoko a higher mental strength at the moment than Fed and Nad. He is at his peak right now. But in a couple of years when he starts losing, it will look like his mental strength is not where it used to be. Every great player goes through that phase. It happened to Fed, it happened to Nad and it will happen to Djoko.

ssin
02-19-2012, 01:33 AM
^^^
I give Nadal a higher mental strength over any other player, any time, before and right now ;)

Slice Winner
02-19-2012, 01:42 AM
Peak versions. Nole and Muzz pretty much are peak - Fed and Rafs would lose a few points here & there.

Djokovic
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand topspin/flat: 9.5
Backhand slice: 6
Serve: 8
Return: 10
Net play: 7 (good coverage, but doesn't always place volleys well - no killer instinct)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10 (after Aus Open 2012, nothing needs to be said)
Mental Strength: 9.5 (Occasionally guilty of clowning, which makes him lose focus)
Tactics: 8 (Good, but I don't see this as his strongest point. Occasionally overuses dropshots (often in combo w/ lobs))
Movement: 9.5

Nadal
Forehand: 9 (Amazing power and spin, not very versatile though)
Backhand topspin/flat: 7.5
Backhand slice: 4 (decent floating defensive slice, terrible otherwise)
Serve: 8 (the peak was about 2 tournaments though)
Return: 8.5
Net play: 7 (good at dealing with easy putaways, good reflexes, weaker on difficult/low volleys)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 9.5 (sometimes gets down on himself for UEs, otherwise perfect)
Tactics: 7.5 (builds points well, but wins come more due to mental strength than tactics. Clueless against Djokovic 2.0)
Movement: 10

Federer
Forehand: 10
Backhand topspin/flat: 8
Backhand slice: 9
Serve: 9.5
Return: 9 (peak Fed's ROS >> 2012 Fed's ROS)
Net play: 8.5 (fantastic hands, occasionally blunders on easy/high volleys)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9 (probably deserves higher for never retiring, but purely match stamina)
Mental Strength: 9 (Peak Fed very clutch, similar to Sampras, relying on serve. Sometimes throws in towel in 5th set)
Tactics: 8.5 (His point construction is underrated. Mixes his style depending on opponent/surface probably more than the others of top 4)
Movement: 9.5

Murray
Forehand: 7.5
Backhand topspin/flat: 9
Backhand slice: 8
Serve: 7 (big 1st serve, terrible %, terrible 2nd serve)
Return: 9.5
Net play: 7.5 (good hands and anticipation. Often gets way too tight to net)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9.5
Mental Strength: 7 (Alternates between brilliant 2-sets-down victories, and not showing up mentally. Gets angry at himself each match, etc.)
Tactics: 6.5 (Actually capable of very good tactics, ruined by mental collapses and/or incessant pushing. No killer instinct 90% of the time)
Movement: 8.5 (incredibly quick, but doesn't always use his feet well)

Totals (out of 100)
Djokovic: 86
Nadal: 81
Federer: 90
Murray: 80

Looking at this, I feel like Murray should be lower, but it's because I gave a whole category for slice backhand instead of averaging slice and topspin backhands, in which case entire thing would be a little closer, but I CBA adding things again.

(Edited to include movement)

Slice Winner
02-19-2012, 01:51 AM
Tommy Haas

Forehand: 11
Backhand topspin/flat: 11
Backhand slice: 42
Serve: 11
Return: 11
Net play: 9001
Physical Strength & Fitness: 11
Mental Strength: 11
Tactics: 11
Germanness: 11
Sexiness: 11
Ajde level: Off the charts

out_grinder
02-19-2012, 01:57 AM
Djoko
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 8
Slice - 3
Volleys - 3
Serve - 5
Return - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 6
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 4
TOTAL: 47

Rafa
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 6
Slice - 5
Volleys - 4
Serve - 5
Return - 4
Physical Strength & Fitness - 6
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - N/A
TOTAL: 48*
*total skewed by 'N/A' rating for 'Tactics'

Roger
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 6.5
Slice - 8
Volleys - 5
Serve - 7
Return - 4
Physical Strength & Fitness - 4
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 8
TOTAL: 56.5

Murray
Forehand - 3
Backhand - 6.5
Slice - 5
Volleys - 3
Serve - 4
Return - 5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 5
Mental Strength - 3
Tactics - 4
TOTAL: 38.5

rocketassist
02-19-2012, 02:21 AM
Djoko
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 8
Slice - 3
Volleys - 3
Serve - 5
Return - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 6
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 4
TOTAL: 47

Rafa
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 6
Slice - 5
Volleys - 4
Serve - 5
Return - 4
Physical Strength & Fitness - 6
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - N/A
TOTAL: 48*
*total skewed by 'N/A' rating for 'Tactics'

Roger
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 6.5
Slice - 8
Volleys - 5
Serve - 7
Return - 4
Physical Strength & Fitness - 4
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 8
TOTAL: 56.5

Murray
Forehand - 3
Backhand - 6.5
Slice - 5
Volleys - 3
Serve - 4
Return - 5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 5
Mental Strength - 3
Tactics - 4
TOTAL: 38.5

:haha: this is worse than Sapeod's

allpro
02-19-2012, 03:10 AM
Tommy Haas

Forehand: 11
Backhand topspin/flat: 11
Backhand slice: 42
Serve: 11
Return: 11
Net play: 9001
Physical Strength & Fitness: 11
Mental Strength: 11
Tactics: 11
Germanness: 11
Sexiness: 11
Ajde level: Off the charts


UeOXsA8sp_E
11 :worship:

Slice Winner
02-19-2012, 03:39 AM
UeOXsA8sp_E
11 :worship:

Exactly ;)

Mechlan
02-19-2012, 04:47 AM
Based on current form.

Djokovic:
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand: 9.5
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 9
Tactics: 8
Total: 52

Nadal:
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 7
Serve: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9.5
Mental Strength: 9.5
Tactics: 8
Total: 50

Federer:
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 6
Serve: 9
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 7
Tactics: 7
Total: 46

Murray:
Forehand: 7
Backhand: 9
Serve: 7.5
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 6
Tactics: 8.5
Total: 47

Mountaindewslave
02-19-2012, 05:45 AM
CURRENT VERSONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent :haha:
Tactics - 7. He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.

NADAL: 42/60
Forehand - 7, not great.
Backhand - 7, not great.
Serve - 5, he has a horrible serve :lol:
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, is falling.
Mental Strength - 9, same as ever.
Tactics - 5. Nadal has tactics? :confused: He just grinds, like Djokovic.

FEDERER: 44/60
Forehand - 8, still very good.
Backhand - 5, to be honest, it's a joke.
Serve - 7, not as good anymore.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he is old now, but there's nothing wrong with him physically.
Mental Strength - 8, still relatively strong.
Tactics - 7, not as good as they once were.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.


PEAK VERSIONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
The same as his current version.
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent :haha:
Tactics - 7 (He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.)

FEDERER: 59/60
Forehand - 10, the best.
Backhand - 10, amazing.
Serve - 10, unbreakable.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the fittest and strongest guys ever. Hardly ever got injured.
Mental Strength - 9, not the best, but still very good.
Tactics - 10, unstoppable.

NADAL: 45/60
Forehand - 8, overrated, but still very good.
Backhand - 7, it's never been great.
Serve - 6, has always been mediocre.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the best, though his constant timeouts would get him a lower score, if it wasn't for the fact that they're all fake.
Mental Strength - 9, very good usually.
Tactics - 5, he's just a grinder.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.

Yes, I know I put Murray above peak Djokovic, but that's based on these categories. Overall, Djokovic is obviously better atm, though Murray is very close and at his peak, would be on a similar, if not higher, level.

only a truly delusional fan would put Murray's current form over Rafael Nadal's peak form............... :o it is definitely somewhat embarassing and posts like this don't garner you any more respect around here, that's for sure

Mystique
02-19-2012, 05:47 AM
All I say is shave 3 points off the scores of everything except the serve for current Fed from Peak Fed.

Mountaindewslave
02-19-2012, 05:48 AM
I think mental strength especially along with most other attributes should be scored with the player at their peak. I noticed that most people are giving Djoko a higher mental strength at the moment than Fed and Nad. He is at his peak right now. But in a couple of years when he starts losing, it will look like his mental strength is not where it used to be. Every great player goes through that phase. It happened to Fed, it happened to Nad and it will happen to Djoko.

hasn't really happened to Nadal as Nadal is mentally the same as before just (like everyone else) loses to Djokovic. it's like playing the video game PONG. it's not so much that Rafael Nadal has gotten weaker mentally as much as practically no matter what he does when he plays DJokovic, the ball comes back into play. not so much mentality as much as Nadal has just been outplayed over the last year

MuzzahLovah
02-19-2012, 06:27 AM
Yeah his tactics aren't great against Rafa.
But there's not a lot he can do to win that matchup - it requires too high a level of play sustained for too long.
Rafa is similar against Nole.

You can't judge a player's entire tactics based on one matchup.

Fed is extraordinarily stubborn as well as talented. Most of the time he wins out of talent and experience. Very rarely does he seem to figure out difficult opponents nowadays- if anything, he's more often losing from ahead than winning from behind after making tactical adjustments.

tripwires
02-19-2012, 08:28 AM
Tommy Haas

Forehand: 11
Backhand topspin/flat: 11
Backhand slice: 42
Serve: 11
Return: 11
Net play: 9001
Physical Strength & Fitness: 11
Mental Strength: 11
Tactics: 11
Germanness: 11
Sexiness: 11
Ajde level: Off the charts

Undoubtedly the best and most accurate post in this thread. :worship: The bolded part is sheer GOAT.

Hewitt =Legend
02-19-2012, 09:03 AM
Nice to see that Slice Winner has included the only worthwile skill in his analysis. Of course, I can also go ahead and give Nole a 10 in everything without even reading this thread.

Ajde.

Petrovic
02-19-2012, 10:01 AM
Djoko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 9

Rafa
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 7
Serve - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 8.5
Tactics - 8

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 6
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 9.5

Murray
Forehand - 7.5
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7.5
Mental Strength - 5
Tactics - 8

munZe konZa
02-19-2012, 11:43 AM
Maybe, but Rafa used to kick Novak's ass. At one point Novak was even Rafa's turkey, 14:4, or something close to it, so something has changed obviously, although their matches have always been pretty close.

Nole was paying his dues and losing matches he shouldn't have like madrid 09 or olympics08 or retiring like wimbledon 07 after playing 5 straight days . It was fairly obvious that Nole had more game and it was a matter of time before that realization into results. Nothing against Rafa as Nole is the most talented player to date with no discernible weakness.

leng jai
02-19-2012, 11:46 AM
Nole was paying his dues and losing matches he shouldn't have like madrid 09 or olympics08 or retiring like wimbledon 07 after playing 5 straight days . It was fairly obvious that Nole had more game and it was a matter of time before that realization into results. Nothing against Rafa as Nole is the most talented player to date with no discernible weakness.

Wholeheartedly agree bro.

Ajde.

LoveFifteen
02-19-2012, 12:21 PM
:haha: @ some of the delusional tards and fanboys in this thread.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-19-2012, 04:46 PM
you cannot put an "number" (arbitrary score) for something like this

or even for music- theres always differing opinions

and even then you cant simplify it to the point of backhand and forehand

you miss out so much

sure nadal's toppsin forehand is great o clay- but to win on hardcourts he had to flatten it out, and even then its an adequate shot at best

and how about splitting topspin, slice and flat backhands

no, i've come to the conclusion that you can't just put a universal number on these things

too many variables (a scientist would say)

how does one compare forehands in different era's
and surface variance

quite frankly its a nightmare- i can only imagine the amount of work required to make a repeatable test that would work on all players and all surfaces that then (and only then) could be used to give out a universal scoring system

samanosuke
02-19-2012, 04:52 PM
CURRENT VERSONS:


FEDERER: 44/60
Forehand - 8, still very good.


MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.




:spit:

With Fed's forehand Murray wouldn't be slamless :wavey:

TBkeeper
02-19-2012, 05:39 PM
Tommy Haas

Forehand: 11
Backhand topspin/flat: 11
Backhand slice: 42
Serve: 11
Return: 11
Net play: 9001
Physical Strength & Fitness: 11
Mental Strength: 11
Tactics: 11
Germanness: 11
Sexiness: 11
Ajde level: Off the charts

GOOD GOOD JOB HERE :D You made me laugh a lot :D

TBkeeper
02-19-2012, 07:06 PM
Peak versions. Nole and Muzz pretty much are peak - Fed and Rafs would lose a few points here & there.

Djokovic
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand topspin/flat: 9.5
Backhand slice: 6
Serve: 8
Return: 10
Net play: 7 (good coverage, but doesn't always place volleys well - no killer instinct)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10 (after Aus Open 2012, nothing needs to be said)
Mental Strength: 9.5 (Occasionally guilty of clowning, which makes him lose focus)
Tactics: 8 (Good, but I don't see this as his strongest point. Occasionally overuses dropshots (often in combo w/ lobs))
Movement: 9.5

Nadal
Forehand: 9 (Amazing power and spin, not very versatile though)
Backhand topspin/flat: 7.5
Backhand slice: 4 (decent floating defensive slice, terrible otherwise)
Serve: 8 (the peak was about 2 tournaments though)
Return: 8.5
Net play: 7 (good at dealing with easy putaways, good reflexes, weaker on difficult/low volleys)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 9.5 (sometimes gets down on himself for UEs, otherwise perfect)
Tactics: 7.5 (builds points well, but wins come more due to mental strength than tactics. Clueless against Djokovic 2.0)
Movement: 10

Federer
Forehand: 10
Backhand topspin/flat: 8
Backhand slice: 9
Serve: 9.5
Return: 9 (peak Fed's ROS >> 2012 Fed's ROS)
Net play: 8.5 (fantastic hands, occasionally blunders on easy/high volleys)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9 (probably deserves higher for never retiring, but purely match stamina)
Mental Strength: 9 (Peak Fed very clutch, similar to Sampras, relying on serve. Sometimes throws in towel in 5th set)
Tactics: 8.5 (His point construction is underrated. Mixes his style depending on opponent/surface probably more than the others of top 4)
Movement: 9.5

Murray
Forehand: 7.5
Backhand topspin/flat: 9
Backhand slice: 8
Serve: 7 (big 1st serve, terrible %, terrible 2nd serve)
Return: 9.5
Net play: 7.5 (good hands and anticipation. Often gets way too tight to net)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9.5
Mental Strength: 7 (Alternates between brilliant 2-sets-down victories, and not showing up mentally. Gets angry at himself each match, etc.)
Tactics: 6.5 (Actually capable of very good tactics, ruined by mental collapses and/or incessant pushing. No killer instinct 90% of the time)
Movement: 8.5 (incredibly quick, but doesn't always use his feet well)

Totals (out of 100)
Djokovic: 86
Nadal: 81
Federer: 90
Murray: 80

Looking at this, I feel like Murray should be lower, but it's because I gave a whole category for slice backhand instead of averaging slice and topspin backhands, in which case entire thing would be a little closer, but I CBA adding things again.

(Edited to include movement)

Hey man i will do for Davydenko in his PEAK (cause i think he belongs in top 5 if he had peaked right now) I will try to be as objective as i can be (cause i had been his fan since 2005) AND REMEMBER he has got 2 peak versions Djkovic went from more Offensive orientated baseliner to more Defensive one ... first peak one version - Davy (2005,2006,2007) was a retriever with wings (backhand and forehand like little weapons and still could attack good but not as good as in 2009,early 2010) Davy from 2009 till today he's a SUPER HIGHLY AGGRESSIVE baseliner (but can attack from inside the court too) but his second peak version was 2009, early 2010) Davy in 2008 was a mystery (it was a mix of both versions + his shittiest mental strenght but with glimpses of godly brilliant tactics !

Davydenko
Forehand: 8 (often caughts the ball on the rise and very effective on the run Both Crosscourt and DTL) he uses something between eastern and semi-western grip but more of a semi-western grip...
Backhand topspin/flat: 9.5 (His backhand in his peak was supernatural like todays Djokovic but with a little more offensive approach on it) too hits the ball on the rise)
Backhand slice: 4 (he hits the slice with TWO HANDS so it's atrocious i give 3 for his defensive slice and 5 for his offensive one which he always uses it crosscourt and it's sometimes useful but overall 4)
Serve: 6.5 (VERY VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE 1st serve thus not so dangerous average 2nd serve but sometimes he makes a bit much Double faults not as much as mugdasco but ... to add his record serve is 138mph so it can be powerful weapon DTL on deuce side but prefers his high percentage serve)
Return: 9 (it would've been 9.5 but sometimes he's too short to reach it but compensates with extremely quick reflexions when the serve is in the body...attacks 2nd serve extremely good)
Net play: 6 (5 net play for his first peak version and 7 for his second one he is GOD in drive volleys, somehow good in low volleys which became drop volleys and MASTER of overhead/smash i saw him countless times doing it from 3-4 foots inside the baseline and doing winners by it!!! disadvantages are too short, awful approach to the net (he could do it only in his second peak version) bad at putaways and he does the backhand volley with using his two hands so ...6)
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9.5 (his best stat..... sometimes gets out of breath after long rallies but that doesn't affects him (cause he restores his normal breathing in minimal time) and otherwise superior endurance (hopping on place on return always even after a 5 setter) and he is only using 20 seconds between points in his peak i saw him sometimes even going instantaneously after the point directly on the baseline when returning serve...)
Mental Strength: 6 (Delightful when being the underdog in the match and twice as delightful when he's loosing... indeed he's delightful in about 75% of the cases when he's leading too... he just doesn't gives a heck who he is against (if not his name is Federer of course :D :D :D ) not at all good at SET POINTS he hates them he abhors them ... they're just a hell of a shit for him the next is BREAK POINTS he's not as bad as he's in set points but still quite average...GAME POINTS ... average playing in them too .... MATCH POINTS i can say he plays supreme there while playing them ... but his NIGHTMARE is generating them ! (the other ones mentioned he's good at generating them but chokes them so...) somehow a little above average in tie-breakers and attention he's second in the charts in title/finals ratio 21/6 (i love it) thus forming him approximate rating of 6)
Movement: 9.5 (It literally screaming quick... fast... swift ... agile... nimble... from side to side ... laterally ... chasing drop shots...) his only minor disadvantage is that sometimes when he sees he can't chase some ball down (or even just right after he hits on the run an awful lob or an easy ball in the opponent) he literally walks right to the towel ..... pointing at a ball boy ..... goes to his bench/chair thus he doesn't generate pressure in his opponent which leads in confidence in the opponent and easy putaway/winner..... Warning he's more of a OFFENSIVE mover than defensive but he is excellent in defensive movement too ... his footwork is genius and always is ready to be next to the balls bounce to hit it right after it bounces.

ATTENTION
Luck level: from 1 to 100 ----> 0
i don't only mean it ... he just has no imagination of what a luck is .....

out_grinder
02-19-2012, 07:14 PM
:spit:

With Fed's forehand Murray wouldn't be slamless :wavey:

Yes he would be, a poor forehand is not his only flaw

evilmindbulgaria
02-19-2012, 07:27 PM
IMO at the moment:

Djoko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 9

Rafa
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 7.5

Roger
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 9.5

Andy
Forehand - 7.5
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8.5
Mental Strength - 6.5
Tactics - 8.5

green25814
02-19-2012, 07:33 PM
This thread feels like Top spin 4...

Anyway, when marking groundstrokes you are doing it wrong. There are different types of shots. When it comes to topspin shots, Nadal is probably the greatest of all time. However, his flat strokes are very poor. Then you have things like defensive slice, offensive slice, approach shots, drop shots, lobs. I think this task is a lot trickier to measure than what most people have done.

BIGMARAT
02-20-2012, 03:16 AM
Djoko
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 9.5
TOTAL= 54.5

Rafa
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 8
TOTAL=51


Roger
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 9.5
TOTAL=51.5


Murray
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 5
Tactics - 7
TOTAL=45

stewietennis
02-20-2012, 05:20 AM
I think you'll need more categories or to split the existing categories:

Forehand (Flat, Spin, CC, DTL)
Backhand (Flat, Spin, CC, DTL)
Serve (1st, 2nd)
Variable Shots (Volleys, Drop Shots, Lobs)
Physical Attributes (Strength, Speed, Stamina, Agility, Reaction Time)
Mental Strength (Fighting Spirit, Ability to Block Out Crowd, Killer Instinct)
Strategy

Evitman
02-20-2012, 09:13 AM
:spit:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FIDDxiouKD0/SRXMpftEYTI/AAAAAAAAArs/vmrVGRTnaoE/s400/shanghai8.jpg

:superlol:

:worship: :worship: =))

Sophocles
02-20-2012, 11:42 AM
Current form:

Djokovic
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand topspin/flat: 9.5
Backhand slice: 5
Serve: 7
Return: 10
Net play: 5
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 9.5
Tactics: 7
Movement: 10

Nadal
Forehand: 9
Backhand topspin/flat: 7
Backhand slice: 5
Serve: 7
Return: 8
Net play: 6
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 9
Tactics: 7.5
Movement: 10

Federer
Forehand: 9
Backhand topspin/flat: 6.5
Backhand slice: 8
Serve: 9
Return: 7
Net play: 7.5
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 8
Tactics: 8.5
Movement: 9

Murray
Forehand: 6.5
Backhand topspin/flat: 9
Backhand slice: 8
Serve: 7
Return: 9.5
Net play: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9
Mental Strength: 7
Tactics: 7
Movement: 8.5

Totals (out of 100)
Djokovic: 81.5
Nadal: 78.5
Federer: 80.5
Murray: 78.5

Hmm, not sure about that.

sexybeast
02-20-2012, 03:15 PM
Rafa's forehand must be one of the most underrated shots in the game, no one gives it a 10 and few even give it a 9?

I would say Federer and Nadal have the best forehands in the history of the game for very different reasons, both deserve a perfect 10 on fh.

On their peak:

Djokovic
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand topspin: 9
Backhand slice: 4
Serve: 7
Return: 10
Net play: 4
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 10
Tactics: 8
Movement: 10

Nadal
Forehand: 10
Backhand topspin/flat: 7
Backhand slice: 5
Serve: 7 (usopen 2010 9/Wimbledon: 8.5)
Return: 8
Net play: 6
Physical Strength & Fitness: 10
Mental Strength: 9.5
Tactics: 7
Movement: 10

Federer
Forehand: 10
Backhand topspin/flat: 6.5
Backhand slice: 10
Serve: 9
Return: 8.5 (Federer 2012: 7)
Net play: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9 (today:8)
Mental Strength: 7
Tactics: 8.5
Movement: 9 (today:8)

Slice Winner
02-20-2012, 03:33 PM
Rafa's forehand must be one of the most underrated shots in the game, no one gives it a 10 and few even give it a 9?

I went through the thread. 14 people gave it either a 9 or higher.
What are you on about?

BIGMARAT
02-20-2012, 08:59 PM
CURRENT VERSONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent :haha:
Tactics - 7. He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.

NADAL: 42/60
Forehand - 7, not great.
Backhand - 7, not great.
Serve - 5, he has a horrible serve :lol:
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, is falling.
Mental Strength - 9, same as ever.
Tactics - 5. Nadal has tactics? :confused: He just grinds, like Djokovic.

FEDERER: 44/60
Forehand - 8, still very good.
Backhand - 5, to be honest, it's a joke.
Serve - 7, not as good anymore.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he is old now, but there's nothing wrong with him physically.
Mental Strength - 8, still relatively strong.
Tactics - 7, not as good as they once were.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.


PEAK VERSIONS:

DJOKOVIC: 51/60
The same as his current version.
Forehand - 8, fairly good but nowhere near the best.
Backhand - 10, joint with Murray as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, nothing majorly special.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, he regularly gets tired and exhausted in his matches. Of course, this could just be an act. Knowing Djokovic, it probably is, so he gets a 9.
Mental Strength - 9, nothing wrong with his mentality, but he doesn't like it when crowds are cheering for his opponent :haha:
Tactics - 7 (He has no tactics. He just grinds. However, he can do far more than Nadal can.)

FEDERER: 59/60
Forehand - 10, the best.
Backhand - 10, amazing.
Serve - 10, unbreakable.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the fittest and strongest guys ever. Hardly ever got injured.
Mental Strength - 9, not the best, but still very good.
Tactics - 10, unstoppable.

NADAL: 45/60
Forehand - 8, overrated, but still very good.
Backhand - 7, it's never been great.
Serve - 6, has always been mediocre.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10, one of the best, though his constant timeouts would get him a lower score, if it wasn't for the fact that they're all fake.
Mental Strength - 9, very good usually.
Tactics - 5, he's just a grinder.

MURRAY: 52/60
Forehand - 8, very good atm. Far better than what it used to be.
Backhand - 10, joint with Djokovic as the best on tour.
Serve - 8, on and off, though very good when it's on.
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9, one of the fittest guys on tour, though he does get days when he's unsually tired.
Mental Strength - 7, looking better, but it's still not the best.
Tactics - 10, currently the best tactical player on tour. That's how he plays.

Yes, I know I put Murray above peak Djokovic, but that's based on these categories. Overall, Djokovic is obviously better atm, though Murray is very close and at his peak, would be on a similar, if not higher, level.

Based on this scores, MURRAY SHOULD BE THE ONE WINNINGS SLAMS!!!! LMAO!!!

Arakasi
02-20-2012, 09:34 PM
Rafa's forehand must be one of the most underrated shots in the game, no one gives it a 10 and few even give it a 9?

Even at his peak Nadal's forehand was attackable on hardcourts and low bouncing surfaces. He's always had the tendency to drop it short when he isn't completely confident. If you give a shot a 10, to me that means it should be perfect or at least near to it.

If you limit it to just clay courts then his forehand is a 10.

stewietennis
02-20-2012, 09:54 PM
Nadal's crosscourt/inside-out forehands are a 10 however when he gets into rallies in the middle of the court his forehand gets downgraded to a 7 due to it dropping short a lot of the time. Federer's forehand can be consistently ranked between 8-9 because it's usually hit with a lot of pace, placed correctly and lands close to the baseline.

sexybeast
02-21-2012, 12:22 AM
Nadal's crosscourt/inside-out forehands are a 10 however when he gets into rallies in the middle of the court his forehand gets downgraded to a 7 due to it dropping short a lot of the time. Federer's forehand can be consistently ranked between 8-9 because it's usually hit with a lot of pace, placed correctly and lands close to the baseline.

Rafa's forehand maybe is a 7-8 when he is playing Djokovic because he cant penetrate Djokovic's defense unlike Federer with his forehand but on the other hand when Federer was playing Rafa in Australia Rafa's forehand was more effective because Rafa's forehand penetrates Feds defense and also he never have any UEs on that side, Federer on the other hand was unable to penetrate Rafa's defense in that match and was hiting loads of UEs.

Feds forehand is prone to easy mistakes when he cant penetrate his opponents (doesnt happen too often), Rafa's forehand is prone to get shorter and shorter during rallies if he is unable to decide early on with a big forehand, on the other hand his defense on his forehand side is incredible during these rallies.

Neither is "perfect" but better than any forehand I have seen with modern raquet, maybe 9.5 would be the right score for both of them. Anyway, it is all about matchup, Djokovic's safe and still aggressive forehand is better against Nadal than Federer's risktaking forehand.