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Sao Paulo QF: Thomaz Bellucci def. Leonardo Mayer 3-6 6-2 7-5

LocoPorElTenis
02-18-2012, 01:37 AM
Crowd was whistling during each Mayer serve, wildly celebrating every first serve missed, and shouting in the middle of points when Leo was about to hit. They clearly thought this was a football match between Brazil and Argentina. Umpire did nothing, Bellucci did nothing. In the end they succeeded in throwing Leo's concentration off at the end of the match.

Completely undeserved win by Bellucci.

Belludal
02-18-2012, 01:37 AM
Mayer felt the pressure of the crowd and was broken when he was serving for the match in 5-4 of the third set and Bellucci got the break.

Break Point for Mayer in 30-40 of 5-5 and Bellucci served well to save the break and Bellucci continued serving with quality to win the game.

In 6-5, incredibly Bellucci began to return as well and Mayer hard pressed succumbed and Bellucci won the match with 7-5 in the third set.

Thomaz Bellucci :worship:

Towards the title :yeah:

KaiserT
02-18-2012, 01:38 AM
Disgusting crowd.

LocoPorElTenis
02-18-2012, 01:39 AM
It was not the "pressure" of the crowd. If was the disgusting, unsportmanlike, un-tennislike, behavior of the crowd AND the umpire AND Bellucci who did nothing about it.

This match was stolen from Leo Mayer, plain and simple.

m9m9m9m9m9
02-18-2012, 01:39 AM
classless mob as expected, sad day for tennis

ATP should do something to ban this tournament

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 01:40 AM
Crowds don't win matches. Sadly for Mayer he let it get to him.

Ibracadabra
02-18-2012, 01:40 AM
Brazilians are disgusting animals when it comes to crowds and sports. Total disgrace watching that, especially at the end.

Belludal
02-18-2012, 01:40 AM
The delirious crowd singing that is very proud to be Brazilian.

After the match talked that without the crowd he will not win the match and he invited all to the semifinals against Volandri.

Vamos :worship:

Mongoose
02-18-2012, 01:40 AM
:lol:

156mphserve
02-18-2012, 01:40 AM
didnt see the match, but everyone else is saying it so I will too

The crowd was terrible:o

LocoPorElTenis
02-18-2012, 01:41 AM
After the match talked that without the crowd he will not win the match



This is obvious, he was totally outclassed by Mayer.

VolandriFan
02-18-2012, 01:41 AM
It's impossible to back Thomaz even in a situation like this where the crowd is entirely for him. :lol: I was a little surprised he pulled it together, but pleasantly so. Leo crumbled badly at the worst time possible.

Volandri vs Bellucci!

Javier Bardem
02-18-2012, 01:42 AM
I wonder if this shit will be allowed against Volandri also, Mayer really deserved to win but this is pretty entertaining and maybe this win will set Bellucci back on track a little bit

KaiserT
02-18-2012, 01:42 AM
The delirious crowd singing that is very proud to be Brazilian.

After the match talked that without the crowd he will not win the match and he invited all to the semifinals against Volandri.

Vamos :worship:

Only a group of classless fools could stoop so low in support of their mug-hero Bellucci :lol:

LocoPorElTenis
02-18-2012, 01:42 AM
Crowds don't win matches. Sadly for Mayer he let it get to him.

Everyone likes a good atmposphere and players should cope, as long as the crowd is not interfering with actual play. In this match the crowd crossed all limits of decency. In the end it's the umpire's fault for not handling the situation better.

bjurra
02-18-2012, 01:42 AM
didnt see the match, but everyone else is saying it so I will too

The crowd was terrible:o

You are correct.

Ibracadabra
02-18-2012, 01:43 AM
hopefully volandri disposes of the dirt that is bellucci next round

MuzzahLovah
02-18-2012, 01:43 AM
Was it just to help Belucci, or do they have some reason to dislike Mayer? Because they seemed to be rooting for Chardy over him a little because of his whining about a serve being out.

Voo de Mar
02-18-2012, 01:43 AM
Wow! The crowd went crazy, I haven't seen such a chauvinistic behavior by the crowd since a Boetsch-Becker match in Paris 1993. Completely different crowd than that at Costa Do Sauipe, honestly I don't know the which one is better :shrug:

And the umpire was ridiculous with his repeating "Obrigado", and not doing anything more. He was so afraid of the crowd that gave Mayer first serve at 40-30 in the 8th game instead of the point, thankfully Mayer won the point anyway.

Belludal
02-18-2012, 01:43 AM
Only a group of classless fools could stoop so low in support of their mug-hero Bellucci :lol:

At least we have a Mug-Hero, is better than nothing :lol:

Bellucci :bounce:

bjurra
02-18-2012, 01:44 AM
Only a group of classless fools could stoop so low in support of their mug-hero Bellucci :lol:

Well spoken! :worship:

Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 01:44 AM
Disgusting Brazilian crowd and never in doubt Bellucci can win matches only in this kind of atmosphere. I mean, yes Leo is a headcase but it's impossible to keep your head cool in situations like this. Also lol at the Brazilians saying they're proud to be Brazilians after this :facepalm:

bjurra
02-18-2012, 01:45 AM
Wow! The crowd went crazy, I haven't seen such a chauvinistic behavior by the crowd since a Boetsch-Becker match in Paris 1993. Completely different crowd than that at Costa Do Sauipe, honestly I don't know the which one is better :shrug:

And the umpire was ridiculous with his repeating "Obridago". He was so afraid of the crowd that gave Mayer first serve at 40-30 in the 8th game instead of the point, thankfully Mayer won the point anyway.

Costa do Sauipe had the sleepiest crowd on the entire tour. Nottingham could maybe have competed.

Chair umpire was useless, what's his name?

Belludal
02-18-2012, 01:46 AM
Was it just to help Belucci, or do they have some reason to dislike Mayer? Because they seemed to be rooting for Chardy over him a little because of his whining about a serve being out.

Mayer is a great player, for me he is a Top 50 :D

But the Brazilian Fans love tennis and love good players from Brazil. :worship:

They helped greatly Nalbandian during the tournament but was not sufficient. :sad:

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 01:46 AM
Everyone likes a good atmposphere and players should cope, as long as the crowd is not interfering with actual play. In this match the crowd crossed all limits of decency. In the end it's the umpire's fault for not handling the situation better.

Don't be using selective memory. This stuff has happened with Gonzo playing in Chile, happens at Acapulco and yes in Buenos Aires as well.

Yes, Layhani could have done more, but Mayer winning is the best way to shut any hostile crowd. Not like hostile crowds haven't happened in Brazil before. It's part of the game in the Latin American events and has to be dealt with.

LocoPorElTenis
02-18-2012, 01:46 AM
I mean, I love Brazil and Brazilians and they have a gazillion reasons to be proud of their country, but the disgusting behavior of the crowd today, and winning based on cheating and not on skills, are not good reasons.

KaiserT
02-18-2012, 01:47 AM
Imagine a Bellucci vs Almagro final? :lol:

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 01:47 AM
Costa do Sauipe had the sleepiest crowd on the entire tour. Nottingham could maybe have competed.

Chair umpire was useless, what's his name?

They did abuse Calleri when he played Guga in Costa da Sauipe and Layhani was the umpire.

vmbf
02-18-2012, 01:47 AM
Bellucci, after match, on court: "If was not you [croud], I would not have won today."

For SporTV: "It was a very special day for me. I had never played in front of so many people cheering for me. I get a lot of criticism that I am a guy who's head down too fast and that I don't fight enough during the points. It was good to respond the critics."

It's 00:47 AM in Sao Paulo now. :p

Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 01:48 AM
And the umpire indeed is a big pussy, deserves to be downgraded to be a linesman at futures tournaments.

superandy88
02-18-2012, 01:48 AM
Worst crowd performance I#ve ever seen.
Absolutely disgusting. Mayer got stolen.
I hope next year they won't play in this nationalistic racist place. Are we in 1944?
A really sad day for tennis.

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 01:48 AM
Imagine a Bellucci vs Almagro final? :lol:

Almagro would love it. You must not remember when he won Acapulco, there were these hecklers giving him crap and when he won in his speech he dedicated the title to those hecklers.

boooooooooooooooooooooooo.

LocoPorElTenis
02-18-2012, 01:49 AM
Don't be using selective memory. This stuff has happened with Gonzo playing in Chile, happens at Acapulco and yes in Buenos Aires as well.

Yes, Layhani could have done more, but Mayer winning is the best way to shut any hostile crowd. Not like hostile crowds haven't happened in Brazil before. It's part of the game in the Latin American events and has to be dealt with.

In Chile maybe (at least the Paulistas didn't start throwing chairs), Argentinian crowds also go a bit too far (especially in DC) and I still think it's wrong, but never something like this. It's not even that this was an important match. Again, there has to be a limit somewhere, what do you think the limit should be?

Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 01:50 AM
Don't be using selective memory. This stuff has happened with Gonzo playing in Chile, happens at Acapulco and yes in Buenos Aires as well.

Yes, Layhani could have done more, but Mayer winning is the best way to shut any hostile crowd. Not like hostile crowds haven't happened in Brazil before. It's part of the game in the Latin American events and has to be dealt with.

I'm pretty sure this wasn't Lahyani :scratch:

KaiserT
02-18-2012, 01:50 AM
Almagro would love it. You must not remember when he won Acapulco, there were these hecklers giving him crap and when he won in his speech he dedicated the title to those hecklers.

boooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Exactly, he would love it, he's comfortable being the pantomime villain and it would be hugely entertaining. Although I would expect there to be numerous breaks in play with the crowd baying for his blood.

superandy88
02-18-2012, 01:50 AM
Yes, Layhani could have done more, but Mayer winning is the best way to shut any hostile crowd.

It wasn't Layhani (who would have done something for sure) , but a completely useless and pathetic umpire.

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 01:51 AM
I'm pretty sure this wasn't Lahyani :scratch:

It sounded like him and looked like him. Who is the guy that looks like Layhani. Is it Emmanuel Joseph?

superandy88
02-18-2012, 01:51 AM
And the umpire indeed is a big pussy, deserves to be downgraded to be a linesman at futures tournaments.

Absolutely. Pathetic umpire.

marquez
02-18-2012, 01:51 AM
Imagine a Bellucci vs Almagro final? :lol:

:lol:

mugro would definitely love this

would be worse for bellucci probably, would have bigger chances to win with a silent and sleepy crowd

the pumped up mugro with all the crowd against him against a headcase like bellucci, this wont end well for the brazilian

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 01:52 AM
Was it this guy?

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02Rtc9Wbyy57W/610x.jpg

Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 01:54 AM
I'm not sure which umpire it was, but Lahyani is my favorite umpire, so I'd recognize him.

vmbf
02-18-2012, 01:54 AM
The pressure of the crowd is part of the sport. What can't happen is screaming during the point, what didn't happen.

bjurra
02-18-2012, 01:54 AM
It sounded like him and looked like him. Who is the guy that looks like Layhani. Is it Emmanuel Joseph?

How on earth can you mix up the clown in the chair today with the best umpire on the tour?

It is like mixing up Collina and Webb just because they both have shaved heads.

Ad Wim
02-18-2012, 01:55 AM
This is obvious, he was totally outclassed by Mayer.

Lol, look at the stats. Bellucci outclassed Mayer in every department :haha:

bjurra
02-18-2012, 01:55 AM
The pressure of the crowd is part of the sport. What can't happen is screaming during the point, what didn't happen.

I am sure there were a few points where screaming didn't happen. But not many.

Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 01:56 AM
The pressure of the crowd is part of the sport. What can't happen is screaming during the point, what didn't happen.

Of course they won't scream during the rally as it can be bad for Bellucci. But there's been a lot of screams and whistles when Mayer was about to serve.

Belludal
02-18-2012, 01:56 AM
The pressure of the crowd is part of the sport. What can't happen is screaming during the point, what didn't happen.

:worship::worship::worship:

Voo de Mar
02-18-2012, 01:57 AM
The pressure of the crowd is part of the sport.

It happens in Davis Cup, the crowd today unfortunately crossed the line considering the circumstances :o

Belludal
02-18-2012, 01:57 AM
MTF does not know what a crazy crowd. When Bellucci defeated Gonzalez in Santiago, the crowd disturbed just like a bit today as the way they disturbed Mayer today. Bellucci is clearly lacking confidence, I hope this victory is what was needed for him to recover his best tennis.

emotion
02-18-2012, 01:57 AM
Disgusting crowd,disgusting choke.
However, Bellucci showed more heart and I went from rooting for Mayer to rooting for him

marquez
02-18-2012, 01:57 AM
Is layhani even in brazil?

thought I had seen him somewhere else, rotterdam or doha

GugaF1
02-18-2012, 01:58 AM
Everyone likes a good atmposphere and players should cope, as long as the crowd is not interfering with actual play. In this match the crowd crossed all limits of decency. In the end it's the umpire's fault for not handling the situation better.

Oh, be quiet, the crowd was fine until it relized Mayer was taking 5 minutes to serve each time, going trough all the balls, having the ball boys bring the ball to him everytime. I was in the crowd, they started yelling "time" "time" and rightly so, and the chair did nothing about this too. So they got mad at Mayer.

And about Argentina VS Brazil football match, the crowd did nothing but support Nablandian the whole week cheering for him almost like a Brazilian every match he played, even against Know guys like Simon or Volandri, so please, hush.

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 01:58 AM
In Chile maybe (at least the Paulistas didn't start throwing chairs), Argentinian crowds also go a bit too far (especially in DC) and I still think it's wrong, but never something like this. It's not even that this was an important match. Again, there has to be a limit somewhere, what do you think the limit should be?

Never like this, well Muster walked off in a DC tie against Brazil as the fans were shining mirrors in his face as he was about to serve. You are not going to get a golf crowd in Latin America it's that simple. Got to hit the round yellow thing irrespective of where they're playing.

As for limits, no lasers, shining mirrors, throwing flares you know the commonsense ones. Bellucci if he gets an Argentine in Bs As, will have the crowd against him.

Exactly, he would love it, he's comfortable being the pantomime villain and it would be hugely entertaining. Although I would expect there to be numerous breaks in play with the crowd baying for his blood.

:lol:

mugro would definitely love this

Almagro in the final, the place should be full considering it's Carnival. Very hostile atmosphere, some love playing in that and others don't.

Belludal
02-18-2012, 01:59 AM
Wow! The crowd went crazy, I haven't seen such a chauvinistic behavior by the crowd since a Boetsch-Becker match in Paris 1993. Completely different crowd than that at Costa Do Sauipe, honestly I don't know the which one is better :shrug:

And the umpire was ridiculous with his repeating "Obrigado", and not doing anything more. He was so afraid of the crowd that gave Mayer first serve at 40-30 in the 8th game instead of the point, thankfully Mayer won the point anyway.

:yeah:

superandy88
02-18-2012, 01:59 AM
I really hope the ATP will ban this joke of an umpire, and put him in futures.

Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 02:01 AM
I really hope the ATP will ban this joke of an umpire, and put him in futures.

You know they won't do anything since it happened against Leo Mayer, and not some top player. Put aside the fact that it wouldn't have happened in the first place if it was a top player.

GugaF1
02-18-2012, 02:02 AM
Mayer thought this was a Copa Libertadores match, where the players, specially from Argentina, Paraguay, start to fall on the ground to get time and take minutes to put the ball back in play when they are winning. Mayer wanted to make this an all serve contest, taking endless amounts of time between each serve. The crowd caught him on this and started booing when the chair did nothing about it. He was taking longer than Nadal to serve.

vmbf
02-18-2012, 02:04 AM
It happens in Davis Cup, the crowd today unfortunately crossed the line considering the circumstances :o

Brazil only has one ATP tournament each year. This is the most important moment for tennis in Brazil this year.

I don't know why we just can't booing and play with the opponent during the match. :shrug:

Destabilize the opponent is part of the context. If Bellucci plays the final against Nalbandian in Buenos Aires, he would have the same treatment. If he plays against Almagro, in Barcelona, ​​would be equal.

Fortunately, we have patriotic crowd in Brazil. :)

Belludal
02-18-2012, 02:08 AM
Brazil only has one ATP tournament each year. This is the most important moment for tennis in Brazil this year.

I don't know why we just can't booing and play with the opponent during the match. :shrug:

Destabilize the opponent is part of the context. If Bellucci plays the final against Nalbandian in Buenos Aires, he would have the same treatment. If he plays against Almagro, in Barcelona, ​​would be equal.

Fortunately, we have patriotic crowd in Brazil. :)

Destabilize the opponent is part of the context (2) :worship:

Bellucci may not have played their best game of his career. However showed that the heart has to turn a game that seemed lost and Mayer in turn showed weak mentally. :tennis:

Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 02:08 AM
I don't know why we just can't booing and play with the opponent during the match. :shrug:

Because that's not normal. Tennis is not football and the crowd has to behave.



Destabilize the opponent is part of the context.
Yes, but that's a player's duty, not the crowd's. Only shows how useless Bellucci is when the crowd has to do it for him.

If Bellucci plays the final against Nalbandian in Buenos Aires, he would have the same treatment. If he plays against Almagro, in Barcelona, ​​would be equal.

In 95% of European tournaments it doesn't happen. Watch some of it for education.

Fortunately, we have patriotic crowd in Brazil. :)
Yes, lucky you.. :facepalm:

Caralimon
02-18-2012, 02:09 AM
Good win for Bellucci, he seems to have developed a personality.

rocketassist
02-18-2012, 02:09 AM
Love football atmospheres at the tennis. I wish I was there.

Voo de Mar
02-18-2012, 02:10 AM
Brazil only has one ATP tournament each year. This is the most important moment for tennis in Brazil this year.

I don't know why we just can't booing and play with the opponent during the match. :shrug:


I guess it might be a cultural context, when you watch for example this week a tournament in Rotterdam (the most important tournament in the Netherlands) you actually don't notice a change in behavior of the crowd as it supports players when one of them is a Dutchman and the other a foreigner, it's all the time the same, well, it may be one of the reasons that Dutch players suck at the home tournament...

I think it's great that the crowd in Sao Paulo is much more enthusiastic than at Costa do Sauipe but constant cheering after service faults of the opponent and his easiest mistakes are rather tasteless in many parts of the world.

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 02:11 AM
Screaming out as players are about the hit the ball is poor form, as for jeering in between serves that's where the umpire has to step in.

Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 02:13 AM
Ivanisevic-Rafter Wimbledon '01 final was the best atmosphere ever. Both fan bases cheering loudly for their player but having respect for the other player as well. What we saw today was largely disrespectful towards Mayer.

lucyfur
02-18-2012, 02:16 AM
Maybe the umpired could give a warning to the players to control the crowd like the umpire did at the davis cup final

GugaF1
02-18-2012, 02:19 AM
I guess it might be a cultural context, when you watch for example this week a tournament in Rotterdam (the most important tournament in the Netherlands) you actually don't notice a change in behavior of the crowd as it supports players when one of them is a Dutchman and the other a foreigner, it's all the time the same, well, it may be one of the reasons that Dutch players suck at home tournament...

I think it's great that the crowd in Sao Paulo is much more enthusiastic than at Costa do Sauipe but constant cheering service faults of the opponent and his easiest mistake are rather tasteless from many parts of the world.

Well, there is a cultural context, for a long time Brazilian culturally invested much of their pride in Sports, because didn't have much else to look at, that's why had figures like Ayrton Senna and the passion for the Football team. Brazilian deposited patriotic passion in sports, more than in politics, Military like the US or other things, than many other countries do, I agree.

But if you look at it, Brazil is one of the most peacuful nations ever, having pratically never been to an actual war, so sports I think is almost like a scape valve, to evoke the strongest passions and can go to "war" figuretavely.

I don't like it some parts of it. I was in the crowd today can;t deny it was great fun at times, it was just a perfect storm, the best Brazilian tennis player currently against an unkown Argentine player, stalling between and taking long time between serves and Bellucci on the come back, it really got to the crowd.

BroTree123
02-18-2012, 02:20 AM
Lol!

Action Jackson
02-18-2012, 02:22 AM
Stick to talking about the match and if you want to talk about poor crowd behaviour then do so.

No generalisations about a particular nation needed.

BrunoBeidacki
02-18-2012, 03:20 AM
First of all, you can't call Bellucci a bad player just because of what our crowd did. What was he suppose to do? Start screaming and begging the crowd to stop? He is just a tennis player and it was using their support to win.
Second, there was no screaming during points, and what's in the rules are that the point should not start till the crowd is in complete silence, and that was what happened.
And finally, you should all stop crying, and stop saying that this was a terrible moment of tennis history, to Brazil, this moment was one of the best moments all-time in tennis, since we could finally see big crowds watching tennis matches, what show how much tennis is increasing in Brazil, and I guess this is good for the whole world.

EVERYTHING CHANGES, THE BRAZILIAN CROWD MADE THE TENNIS 'CHEERING' CHANGE TOO. IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE SAME OLD STUFF ALWAYS, YOU SHOULD JUST WATCH WIBLEDON AND FORGET ABOUT TENNIS IN THE REST OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE IN MADRID, THEY'LL PLAY WITH A BLUE CLAY, WOULDN'T THIS BE BAD TOO? IN ACAPULCO, THE PLAYERS COULD NOT LEAVE TO HOTEL/COMPLEX WITHOUT FEARING BEING HURT DOING LAST YEAR'S MEXICAN ATP 500. AND IN INDIA, DURING DAVIS CUP IN 2010, THE BRAZILIAN PLAYERS DIDN'T HAVE WATER TO DRINK BECAUSE OF A 'ISSUE' IN THE ARENA, WHILE ALL INDIANS HAD THEIR BOTTLES FULL OF WATER. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT STUFF THAT ARE ABOVE FANS' OPINIONS, IT JUST HAPPENS.

bouncer7
02-18-2012, 03:31 AM
First of all, you can't call Bellucci a bad player just because of what our crowd did. What was he suppose to do? Start screaming and begging the crowd to stop? He is just a tennis player and it was using their support to win.
Second, there was no screaming during points, and what's in the rules are that the point should not start till the crowd is in complete silence, and that was what happened.
And finally, you should all stop crying, and stop saying that this was a terrible moment of tennis history, to Brazil, this moment was one of the best moments all-time in tennis, since we could finally see big crowds watching tennis matches, what show how much tennis is increasing in Brazil, and I guess this is good for the whole world.

EVERYTHING CHANGES, THE BRAZILIAN CROWD MADE THE TENNIS 'CHEERING' CHANGE TOO. IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE SAME OLD STUFF ALWAYS, YOU SHOULD JUST WATCH WIBLEDON AND FORGET ABOUT TENNIS IN THE REST OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE IN MADRID, THEY'LL PLAY WITH A BLUE CLAY, WOULDN'T THIS BE BAD TOO? IN ACAPULCO, THE PLAYERS COULD NOT LEAVE TO HOTEL/COMPLEX WITHOUT FEARING BEING HURT DOING LAST YEAR'S MEXICAN ATP 500. AND IN INDIA, DURING DAVIS CUP IN 2010, THE BRAZILIAN PLAYERS DIDN'T HAVE WATER TO DRINK BECAUSE OF A 'ISSUE' IN THE ARENA, WHILE ALL INDIANS HAD THEIR BOTTLES FULL OF WATER. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT STUFF THAT ARE ABOVE FANS' OPINIONS, IT JUST HAPPENS.

good post. Full support for brasilian and south american crowd. I would be watching all SA clay events and matches if crowd were like tonight. That is what tennis needed.

MuriloBrasil
02-18-2012, 03:51 AM
What happened there today was fantastic! I was there and I never fell an atmosphere like this on a tennis game!

Passion is necessary to the sport! This actions didn't show if a people is more or less educated than other! Psychological pressure is part of the game, and Leo Mayer didn't have mind to tolerate this. In moments, Mayer seems like a children, crying because the crowd was pressuring him.

We need more emotion on tennis, and lose a bit of formality in the matches that made much people to be so far of tennis.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-18-2012, 07:37 AM
Bellucci:inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch:

Game.Petzschner
02-18-2012, 07:41 AM
solution is simple to stop those animals in the crowd mayer was totally robbed of that match and let the crowd get to him which a lot of players i think would have,ive never seen such a disgusting crowd before theres one thing to support your player then there was this.

I mean cheering like brazil won the world cup when mayer misses his first serve come on... its pathetic.

Umpire should have stepped in and given a warning to bellucci to control the crowd happens a 2nd time point penalty a 3rd time and game penalty.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-18-2012, 07:49 AM
First of all, you can't call Bellucci a bad player just because of what our crowd did. What was he suppose to do? Start screaming and begging the crowd to stop? He is just a tennis player and it was using their support to win.
Second, there was no screaming during points, and what's in the rules are that the point should not start till the crowd is in complete silence, and that was what happened.
And finally, you should all stop crying, and stop saying that this was a terrible moment of tennis history, to Brazil, this moment was one of the best moments all-time in tennis, since we could finally see big crowds watching tennis matches, what show how much tennis is increasing in Brazil, and I guess this is good for the whole world.

EVERYTHING CHANGES, THE BRAZILIAN CROWD MADE THE TENNIS 'CHEERING' CHANGE TOO. IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE SAME OLD STUFF ALWAYS, YOU SHOULD JUST WATCH WIBLEDON AND FORGET ABOUT TENNIS IN THE REST OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE IN MADRID, THEY'LL PLAY WITH A BLUE CLAY, WOULDN'T THIS BE BAD TOO? IN ACAPULCO, THE PLAYERS COULD NOT LEAVE TO HOTEL/COMPLEX WITHOUT FEARING BEING HURT DOING LAST YEAR'S MEXICAN ATP 500. AND IN INDIA, DURING DAVIS CUP IN 2010, THE BRAZILIAN PLAYERS DIDN'T HAVE WATER TO DRINK BECAUSE OF A 'ISSUE' IN THE ARENA, WHILE ALL INDIANS HAD THEIR BOTTLES FULL OF WATER. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT STUFF THAT ARE ABOVE FANS' OPINIONS, IT JUST HAPPENS.
I totally agree.:cool:

Hian-GOAT
02-18-2012, 08:23 AM
Disgusting crowd. No words, really.

On the other side Mayer should have played his match without thinking anything else. Congrats Thomaz, not the way I wanted him to win anyway.

Sonja1989
02-18-2012, 10:05 AM
Well done Thomaz!! Mayer should've won but the win is a win.

Imagine a Bellucci vs Almagro final? :lol:

Who would enjoy it the most? :D




Me. 10000%

Naudio Spanlatine
02-18-2012, 10:06 AM
Who would enjoy it the most? :D

Me. 10000%

Plus 1:angel:

Shirogane
02-18-2012, 10:12 AM
Much easier said than done, but Mayer really shouldn't have self-destructed like he did. The atmosphere indeed was incredible at times; on the other hand, still has to be one of the worst tennis crowds I've ever seen. :o

fran70
02-18-2012, 10:34 AM
Definitely umpires should be more strict with this sort of situations. As someone mentioned crowds tend to put pressure on certain players and sometimes when they find a weak player like Mayer they get it.

But to be honest this is something that happens not only in Brazil but in ATP Santiago and Buenos Aires too. Last year the crowd was not exactly that gently in the final between Almagro and Chela. And in Europe things are not so different especially in France or Italy. Not going so far in time last weekend the German crowd was not that nice during the doubles tie when Argentina was serving for the match. These things happens everywhere and all the time.

Crowds should be banned ;)

but-it's-ok
02-18-2012, 10:56 AM
Thomaz!:D

Unruly spectators:sad:

Agrajag
02-18-2012, 12:12 PM
Definitely umpires should be more strict with this sort of situations. As someone mentioned crowds tend to put pressure on certain players and sometimes when they find a weak player like Mayer they get it.

But to be honest this is something that happens not only in Brazil but in ATP Santiago and Buenos Aires too. Last year the crowd was not exactly that gently in the final between Almagro and Chela. And in Europe things are not so different especially in France or Italy. Not going so far in time last weekend the German crowd was not that nice during the doubles tie when Argentina was serving for the match. These things happens everywhere and all the time.

Crowds should be banned ;)

I think the spanish crowds are generally more abusive than the french or italian ones. France has so many tournaments so sometimes there are matches when they cross the line, but in general I think the spanish are much worse.

It was hilarious to watch Nalbandian complain to the umpire about the crowd in Germany. I think we all know it would have been way worse in Argentina.

As for this match, I agree that Mayer in part brought this on himself. Against Chardy he had the umpire come off his chair at least 20 times, and I don't think he was right more than a couple of times. Even on obvious calls on his side of the court he had him come down to inspect. He also took at least 30 seconds on average in both matches.

I had money on Mayer and dislike Bellucci, so I wasn't excactly in favour of the brazilian.

Certinfy
02-18-2012, 12:13 PM
Sad to see Bellucci win like this. :(

Sombrerero loco
02-18-2012, 12:22 PM
bellucci :bowdown:

Nathaliia
02-18-2012, 12:23 PM
next week in buenos aires it will be a different crowd and a revenge :smoke:

GugaF1
02-18-2012, 12:29 PM
How much you want to bet that the crowd will be fine today against Volandri? They will cheer wildly for Bellucci of course, but not like with Mayer, he got into the crowd bad side by stalling between serves. Yesterday was one example of the crowd, should not be taken as the whole week. If today the crowd boos like that and after serve missed, you can call the crowd animals, it will not happen because Volandri is respectful and will just focus on playing. Mayer had some repsonsability for what happened yesterday. Some people don;t want to see this.

nole_no1
02-18-2012, 12:45 PM
I understand Bellucci is the home player, the crowd favourite and so on but come on that was disgusting
Cheering on every serve,df,error is not right

shotgun
02-18-2012, 12:56 PM
Almagro in the final, the place should be full considering it's Carnival. Very hostile atmosphere, some love playing in that and others don't.

Actually the city gets emptier during Carnival, most people leave for the beach or the countryside. OTOH, for the ones staying in Sao Paulo it will be one of the few options of entertainment, so it should be packed. :)

next week in buenos aires it will be a different crowd and a revenge :smoke:

Bellucci should pull out of Buenos Aires to prevent this from happening. :lol:

erickmartins
02-18-2012, 01:21 PM
I love seeing how easy it is to spot who thinks the crowd was bad and who only thinks latin-americans are wild animals and inferior people. :)

1) Latin-americans are not nordic. We won't sit around politely applauding the guy who's beating our #1 player.
2) São Paulo didn't have a top-level tournament for quite long. Many of these people probably have never been to a tennis match at this level. If the umpire doesn't say anything, they'll just keep doing what they're doing.

I didn't see the whole match, but as far as I saw there was no interference during points. Cheering after missed first serves might not be british-polite, but it's far from "cheating" in my opinion.

Funny to see how the crowd went from Bellucci-hating mode against Mello to that.

JeffCandoi
02-18-2012, 01:30 PM
It's all about emotion and passion.. if you dont have something too big, you cant understand..

very good victory for bellucci
I hope a final vs Almagro

JeffCandoi
02-18-2012, 01:31 PM
I love seeing how easy it is to spot who thinks the crowd was bad and who only thinks latin-americans are wild animals and inferior people. :)

1) Latin-americans are not nordic. We won't sit around politely applauding the guy who's beating our #1 player.
2) São Paulo didn't have a top-level tournament for quite long. Many of these people probably have never been to a tennis match at this level. If the umpire doesn't say anything, they'll just keep doing what they're doing.

I didn't see the whole match, but as far as I saw there was no interference during points. Cheering after missed first serves might not be british-polite, but it's far from "cheating" in my opinion.

Funny to see how the crowd went from Bellucci-hating mode against Mello to that.

superb :worship:

Belludal
02-18-2012, 01:31 PM
I watched the match again and the crowd was not wildly celebrating error of the first service. This attitude of exaggerated Brazilian fans started when Mayer started hitting mouth with the judge and the crowd. Because of this the crowd began to get over him and helping further Thomaz. When I see the crowd did what he did because it was caused by the lack Mayer because he was over the crowd. :o

Pathetic is the Mayer who lost for being too weak of mind! And there is nothing so pathetic and absurd in Bellucci take advantage of this and win a game that seemed lost. :D

LocoPorElTenis
02-18-2012, 01:42 PM
The crowd *was* cheering during points... a couple of times Mayer had to chase down a short ball and the crow started shouting... not to mention the permanent interference during serving. There's a line between passion and offense/sportmanship, as a Latin American myself I think it's great to have passion but I think we often step over the line.

Hian-GOAT
02-18-2012, 02:07 PM
How much you want to bet that the crowd will be fine today against Volandri? They will cheer wildly for Bellucci of course, but not like with Mayer, he got into the crowd bad side by stalling between serves. Yesterday was one example of the crowd, should not be taken as the whole week. If today the crowd boos like that and after serve missed, you can call the crowd animals, it will not happen because Volandri is respectful and will just focus on playing. Mayer had some repsonsability for what happened yesterday. Some people don;t want to see this.

Are you serious? So it was Mayer's fault if these Brazilians did what they did?
Tennis isn't football. Tennis needs focus and respect. Something that these children of the public don't have.
I'm worried for Filippo today. He has to stay calm and a good match will come.


It's all about emotion and passion.. if you dont have something too big, you cant understand..

very good victory for bellucci
I hope a final vs Almagro

This is really stupid. You can have passion and emotions without being so aggressive. This cannot justify what we all saw yesterday.
It would be more intelligent so say, very simply, that the crowd was beyond every limit of disgusting and apologize for what happened.

I just hope this tournament will be cancelled or taken back to his old location. It's obvious that Sao Paulo cannot get this.

Belludal
02-18-2012, 02:10 PM
A case where the crowd was much worse than Brazil yesterday:

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Deathless Mortal
02-18-2012, 02:13 PM
Like I said, Ivanisevic vs Rafter match was an example of a normal great atmosphere. The Brazilians on this forum think this match had a great atmosphere :facepalm:
You don't have to be stiff and clap your hands like a robot after every point, but show some deserved respect for the players. I mean, there was no Robredo on the court..

ReturnWinner
02-18-2012, 02:28 PM
I did not watch the match but if its like people describe then its really a shame.
Brazilian tennis fans tend to behave very bad. I remember their behavior against Coria and Calleri against Kuerten in Costa Do Sauipe and They even spat at the argentines players.

JeffCandoi
02-18-2012, 05:48 PM
I did not watch the match but if its like people describe then its really a shame.
Brazilian tennis fans tend to behave very bad. I remember their behavior against Coria and Calleri against Kuerten in Costa Do Sauipe and They even spat at the argentines players.

in this page (above) there's a example showing it's not only about brazilians :p

and.. Coria and Calleri were disgunsting players.. so it's justified. Yesterday fans were backing Nalbandian..



I just hope this tournament will be cancelled or taken back to his old location. It's obvious that Sao Paulo cannot get this.

it wont happen! :p

motorhead
02-18-2012, 05:49 PM
How on earth can you mix up the clown in the chair today with the best umpire on the tour?

It is like mixing up Collina and Webb just because they both have shaved heads.post of the month :haha::haha:

Jimnik
02-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Happy for Brazilian tennis. They need this.

ReturnWinner
02-18-2012, 08:15 PM
Volandri destroyed Craptucci in the last two sets.

GugaF1
02-18-2012, 08:19 PM
I told you guys the crowd would behave fine today with Volandri, it was more of incident with Mayer. They applauded Volandri for his nice plays, did not bother him at all during the match. Even with a cramping, desperate physicallt Bellucci, so much for the whinning about the crowd.

delboy
02-18-2012, 08:22 PM
Volandri destroyed Craptucci in the last two sets.

what the hell happened to samba? he went from pre match big fave to big dog at the start of the 3rd.. was he injured?

fran70
02-18-2012, 08:46 PM
Aren`t you taking all this stuff too far? Nobody will yell against Bellucci in Buenos Aires next week because some people cheered for the Brazilian player in home soil. In similar circunstances Argentine people would cheer for the local player whether that player is Brazilian, Spaniard or Chinese. Don`t be so childish please.

fran70
02-18-2012, 08:56 PM
I think the spanish crowds are generally more abusive than the french or italian ones. France has so many tournaments so sometimes there are matches when they cross the line, but in general I think the spanish are much worse.

It was hilarious to watch Nalbandian complain to the umpire about the crowd in Germany. I think we all know it would have been way worse in Argentina.

As for this match, I agree that Mayer in part brought this on himself. Against Chardy he had the umpire come off his chair at least 20 times, and I don't think he was right more than a couple of times. Even on obvious calls on his side of the court he had him come down to inspect. He also took at least 30 seconds on average in both matches.

I had money on Mayer and dislike Bellucci, so I wasn't excactly in favour of the brazilian.

Nalbandian is complaining about everything lately. I agree with you on that. The same about Spaniard crowd.

If you watched the doubles match when Argentina was serving for the match Schwank served an ace that Haas believed it was out and got too mad. And the German crowd backed him and was surprisingly quite rude till the end of the match. It doesn`t matter if in Argentina it could had been worse. I was just making reference that to German standards it was quite surprising to see the way the German crowd behaved.

BlackSilver
02-18-2012, 09:13 PM
I will go straight to the point: Mayer is a fool. He shouldn't have come to play here if he doesn't have capability to deal with the circumstances. And if he expected anything different he is, again, a fool.

what the hell happened to samba? he went from pre match big fave to big dog at the start of the 3rd.. was he injured?

Cramps through all the body plus physical exhaustion.

I just hope this tournament will be cancelled or taken back to his old location. It's obvious that Sao Paulo cannot get this.

I agree. If they doesn't change the place next year you should find out who are the local organizers and sue them for this. I am 100% behind you in this one.

abraxas21
02-18-2012, 10:09 PM
Crowd was whistling during each Mayer serve, wildly celebrating every first serve missed, and shouting in the middle of points when Leo was about to hit. They clearly thought this was a football match between Brazil and Argentina. Umpire did nothing, Bellucci did nothing. In the end they succeeded in throwing Leo's concentration off at the end of the match.

Completely undeserved win by Bellucci.

:baby:

abraxas21
02-18-2012, 10:11 PM
Brazilians are disgusting animals when it comes to crowds and sports. Total disgrace watching that, especially at the end.

:stupid:

abraxas21
02-18-2012, 10:12 PM
Crowds don't win matches.

:yeah:

abraxas21
02-18-2012, 10:16 PM
Wow! The crowd went crazy, I haven't seen such a chauvinistic behavior by the crowd since a Boetsch-Becker match in Paris 1993. Completely different crowd than that at Costa Do Sauipe, honestly I don't know the which one is better :shrug:

argies like to whine endlessly about things like this conveniently forgetting the fact that their own crowds aren't any classier.

did you watch the rios-zabaleta match in buenos aires? zabaleta turned the whole thing into some type of ridiculous chauvinistic argentina-vs-chile type of match. he even ended up playing with the argie national football team t-shirt and of course the crowd loved him for it.

at the end, it's the player's fault if he lets that get to him, imho.

that said, the most chauvinistic spectactle in a tennis match should be the davis cup between chile and argentina, when some chileans begin to trow chairs at the court.

abraxas21
02-18-2012, 10:19 PM
Don't be using selective memory. This stuff has happened with Gonzo playing in Chile, happens at Acapulco and yes in Buenos Aires as well.

Yes, Layhani could have done more, but Mayer winning is the best way to shut any hostile crowd. Not like hostile crowds haven't happened in Brazil before. It's part of the game in the Latin American events and has to be dealt with.

a thousand times this

i remember well how classy the buenos aires crowd was in the almagro v. chela final last year. they were making noises when almagro was serving, etc. i have actually seen this behaviour a lot in argentinian events.

south american crowds in general are quite nationalistic. you're spot on when you say that this the way sporting evens are around here.

Voo de Mar
02-18-2012, 10:23 PM
did you watch the rios-zabaleta match in buenos aires? zabaleta turned the whole thing into some type of ridiculous chauvinistic argentina-vs-chile type of match. he even ended up playing with the argie national football team t-shirt and of course the crowd loved him for it.


I didn't.


that said, the most chauvinistic spectactle in a tennis match should be the davis cup between chile and argentina, when some chileans begin to trow chairs at the court.

I mentioned this story in my e-book. Chauvinistic behavior is a part of majority of Davis Cup ties. There's a different etiquette in tournaments, that's the reason so many members were annoyed by the Brazilian crowd yesterday. But Brazilian members of this forum who feel themselves affected, I think should keep in mind that no-one blames Bellucci for that quarter-final, he didn't encourage the crowd, he only took an advantage of the enormous support.

abraxas21
02-18-2012, 10:23 PM
Love football atmospheres at the tennis. I wish I was there.

:yeah:

loud crowds are a part of the game. if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen

fran70
02-18-2012, 10:27 PM
argies like to whine endlessly about things like this conveniently forgetting the fact that their own crowds aren't any classier.

did you watch the rios-zabaleta match in buenos aires? zabaleta turned the whole thing into some type of ridiculous chauvinistic argentina-vs-chile type of match. he even ended up playing with the argie national football team t-shirt and of course the crowd loved him for it.

at the end, it's the player's fault if he lets that get to him, imho.

that said, the most chauvinistic spectactle in a tennis match should be the davis cup between chile and argentina, when some chileans begin to trow chairs at the court.
:yeah: And dont forget not to put all the people on the same bag ;)

abraxas21
02-18-2012, 10:29 PM
:yeah: And dont forget not to put all the people on the same bag ;)

you're right.

Agrajag
02-19-2012, 01:55 AM
Nalbandian is complaining about everything lately. I agree with you on that. The same about Spaniard crowd.

If you watched the doubles match when Argentina was serving for the match Schwank served an ace that Haas believed it was out and got too mad. And the German crowd backed him and was surprisingly quite rude till the end of the match. It doesn`t matter if in Argentina it could had been worse. I was just making reference that to German standards it was quite surprising to see the way the German crowd behaved.


I didn't see the last set actually, it may well have gotten a bit out of hand at that point. Not to excuse them, but quite understable to cross the line in that situation.

Anyway my point of the post was to pardon the brazilians for yesterdays match. Based on what I saw from today it was correct. Volandri was treated fairly. He behaved well, and got the respect the away player deserves.