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Fedal Fans - Have you lowered your expectations?

Sri
02-16-2012, 03:13 AM
Especially Fed fans, but Rafa fans too against Nole, have you lowered your expectations?

I have and have been able to sleep peacefully ever since! :wavey: :angel:

FedvsNole
02-16-2012, 03:46 AM
All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.

Roger is 2400 points behind nadal. If he wins rotterdam and rafa's doesn't play madrid as rumored; there is a shot for roger to get to number 2 before roland garros or even after if rafa doesn't defend the french rafa loses 800 points and roger could have number 2 rank for wimbledon.

Bottom line if nole-rafa are in the same half, federer will at least have a legit shot to actually win a final as opposed to fed beating nole in a semi and then flopping to nadal as expected. Wimbledon is still fed's best shot to beat djokovic and the only place he could conceivably have a chance to beat them both.

I still think fed will do it once before he retires at a slam. If he somehow beats nole and rafa at the same slam. That is how he should end his career...And be the last federer memory


p.s.
the us open is not changing their super saturday for 2012 with the men's semi and final on saturday and sunday. If federer has the number 2 rank and gets murray whereas nadal will draw nole in the semi's. Fed-murray will go first obviouly, and then nadal-nole will kill themselves...

If there is no rain delay; and nole-rafa play 5-6 hr semi; fed will most likely win the us open if his match was light which it always is less demanding physically.

sportstennis
02-16-2012, 04:09 AM
Roger, Nadal..

Djokovic best

fin

n8
02-16-2012, 04:11 AM
^^I don't think that Federer is the type of guy to retire on a high. If he wins another Slam I think his mindset will be 'I'm in good enough form to win more' rather than 'let's finish on a high'.

mlhyde
02-16-2012, 04:16 AM
All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.

Roger is 2400 points behind nadal. If he wins rotterdam and rafa's doesn't play madrid as rumored; there is a shot for roger to get to number 2 before roland garros or even after if rafa doesn't defend the french rafa loses 800 points and roger could have number 2 rank for wimbledon.

Bottom line if nole-rafa are in the same half, federer will at least have a legit shot to actually win a final as opposed to fed beating nole in a semi and then flopping to nadal as expected. Wimbledon is still fed's best shot to beat djokovic and the only place he could conceivably have a chance to beat them both.

I still think fed will do it once before he retires at a slam. If he somehow beats nole and rafa at the same slam. That is how he should end his career...And be the last federer memory


p.s.
the us open is not changing their super saturday for 2012 with the men's semi and final on saturday and sunday. If federer has the number 2 rank and gets murray whereas nadal will draw nole in the semi's. Fed-murray will go first obviouly, and then nadal-nole will kill themselves...

If there is no rain delay; and nole-rafa play 5-6 hr semi; fed will most likely win the us open if his match was light which it always is less demanding physically.

It seems you haven't lowered your expectations. It's almost the best situation we can expect that Fed ranks No.2 and avoids Rafa in semis. I don't think he will retire after defeating Nole and Rafa at the same slam. On the contrary, if he can return to No.2 or No.1, he definitely stands a better chance to win more slams and I don't think he will let the chance go.
And yes, I haven't lowered my expectations... pathetically.

BigJohn
02-16-2012, 04:34 AM
All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.



That is true. Federer could not beat both Rafa and Fed in the same slam, neither could Nadal.

How would that even work?

TBkeeper
02-16-2012, 04:41 AM
That is true. Federer could not beat both Rafa and Fed in the same slam, neither could Nadal.

How would that even work?

:worship::worship::worship::worship: One of the best Trolls evah !

FedvsNole
02-16-2012, 05:00 AM
That is true. Federer could not beat both Rafa and Fed in the same slam, neither could Nadal.

How would that even work?

With the Flux capacitor, 2004-2006 fed could do it. In fact, he could beat nole, nadul, and olderer at wimbledon and the us open for sure. Just would have to make sure not to shake hands with olderer.

Sri
02-16-2012, 05:41 AM
Federer is a real expert at defeating himself over and over again. His chokes and numerous mental walkabouts are proof to my claim.

duong
02-16-2012, 07:42 AM
^^I don't think that Federer is the type of guy to retire on a high. If he wins another Slam I think his mindset will be 'I'm in good enough form to win more' rather than 'let's finish on a high'.

I think and I hope he is as you say : I don't understand and don't like the fans who ask "retiring on a high".

I like watching him play even if he doesn't win, have pleasant memories of McEnroe's and Connors's carreer ends,

and anyway getting old and declining is just a normal part of everybody's life : I think it's good to accept it :shrug:

As for the OP's question, yes I've lowered my expectations about Fed since Djokovic became so great and also Nadal stayed at a very high level (and also the game becoming so physical on slow surfaces, and now we hear that the super-saturday won't be cancelled this year, which is bad news for Fed) : I used to think that Fed would still win one or two more slams, now I know it's very possible that he doesn't win one anymore.

That's why yes, contrary to what some people think on MTF, I'm very happy (as he is himself) when he wins a tournament like Rotterdam or even Stockholm :shrug:

Just like McEnroe's and Connors's carreer ends.

I didn't like Sampras's carreer end because I think it didn't give a good example to common people in their life : it's very important imo that people accept getting old and declining to feel peaceful and happy (I know many people who can't accept it), and then I think it's not a right example.

Sampras made his personal choice, which I respect, he was a great player, but I hate all the comments which say that "it was the best ending ; it should be like that" : no I don't think people should think like that in their own life in general, and also I don't want Federer to retire early, even if he's number 20 in the world he will still have some good moments (I hope he stays in top-4 still for a while though)

Chirag
02-16-2012, 07:54 AM
of course I have

ballbasher101
02-16-2012, 09:28 AM
All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.

Roger is 2400 points behind nadal. If he wins rotterdam and rafa's doesn't play madrid as rumored; there is a shot for roger to get to number 2 before roland garros or even after if rafa doesn't defend the french rafa loses 800 points and roger could have number 2 rank for wimbledon.

Bottom line if nole-rafa are in the same half, federer will at least have a legit shot to actually win a final as opposed to fed beating nole in a semi and then flopping to nadal as expected. Wimbledon is still fed's best shot to beat djokovic and the only place he could conceivably have a chance to beat them both.

I still think fed will do it once before he retires at a slam. If he somehow beats nole and rafa at the same slam. That is how he should end his career...And be the last federer memory


p.s.
the us open is not changing their super saturday for 2012 with the men's semi and final on saturday and sunday. If federer has the number 2 rank and gets murray whereas nadal will draw nole in the semi's. Fed-murray will go first obviouly, and then nadal-nole will kill themselves...

If there is no rain delay; and nole-rafa play 5-6 hr semi; fed will most likely win the us open if his match was light which it always is less demanding physically.


The US open is the worst slam. They have a shitty tie break in the 5th set, the scheduling borders on lunacy, no roof resulting in rain delay after rain delay and the crowds are noisy and continuously interrupt play.

Alex999
02-16-2012, 09:28 AM
the game is so brutal nowadays that I simply don't think that Fed will win another slam... he could if Nole and Rafa are injured, who knows? regardless, I'd love to see Nole vs. Rog at Wimbledon. It would be so much fun.

BroTree123
02-16-2012, 09:38 AM
Two words: Cry More.

Roamed
02-16-2012, 09:52 AM
Expectations? What expectations?

Sophocles
02-16-2012, 10:19 AM
All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.

Roger is 2400 points behind nadal. If he wins rotterdam and rafa's doesn't play madrid as rumored; there is a shot for roger to get to number 2 before roland garros or even after if rafa doesn't defend the french rafa loses 800 points and roger could have number 2 rank for wimbledon.

Bottom line if nole-rafa are in the same half, federer will at least have a legit shot to actually win a final as opposed to fed beating nole in a semi and then flopping to nadal as expected. Wimbledon is still fed's best shot to beat djokovic and the only place he could conceivably have a chance to beat them both.

I still think fed will do it once before he retires at a slam. If he somehow beats nole and rafa at the same slam. That is how he should end his career...And be the last federer memory


p.s.
the us open is not changing their super saturday for 2012 with the men's semi and final on saturday and sunday. If federer has the number 2 rank and gets murray whereas nadal will draw nole in the semi's. Fed-murray will go first obviouly, and then nadal-nole will kill themselves...

If there is no rain delay; and nole-rafa play 5-6 hr semi; fed will most likely win the us open if his match was light which it always is less demanding physically.

Good post, but largely predicated on an unlikely event, Fed's getting back to No. 2. Even so, I still believe Fed will win one more slam before he retires. Clearly that expectation is lower than the expectation I used to have, that he would win every slam he entered.

UsD.AnDreS
02-16-2012, 10:51 AM
Expectations? What expectations?

Like Rafa at USO'11 : "Window? What window?"

buzz
02-16-2012, 11:58 AM
At the start of 2007 I predicted/guessed that Nadal and Federer would combine for 27 slams. Later (2009-2011) I thought they would easily get 6 more, but yes now I lowered these expectations again. I think they won't get over 30 slams together.

It is all natural to overestimate some tennis players when they are at their peak/the top for a long time already. The winning will stop one day and because they are at the top for years they must be near to losing more often. On the other hand the latest results show they are the best at the moment so it looks like a good bet they will win again.

Time Violation
02-16-2012, 01:47 PM
^^I don't think that Federer is the type of guy to retire on a high. If he wins another Slam I think his mindset will be 'I'm in good enough form to win more' rather than 'let's finish on a high'.

I think in yesterday's interview Fed said he would like to play 5 more years, something like that.

mark73
02-16-2012, 01:54 PM
My expectations for fed are greatly reduced. I see him winning only 4-6 more slams.

Branimir
02-16-2012, 01:57 PM
If Fed wins another slam it is going to be because Nole and Nadal allowed it.

Myrre
02-16-2012, 02:14 PM
If Fed wins another slam it is going to be because Nole and Nadal allowed it.

Sure. They'll just hand it to him. Very generous these guys.

nalbyfan
02-16-2012, 02:23 PM
Goat cheese's fans are so blind and naive that they still believe that he can win another GS....in fact they can be happy when he wins Basel beating Nashikori in final...

masterclass
02-16-2012, 02:35 PM
Goat cheese's fans are so blind and naive that they still believe that he can win another GS....in fact they can be happy when he wins Basel beating Nashikori in final...

...who beat the indefatigable Novak Djokovic in the semi, with a bagel in the deciding set no less.

Respectfully,
masterclass

MM_1257
02-16-2012, 02:49 PM
I have lowered my expectations for Rog after AO 2009. But most surely after RG 2010. As for Nadal I expect him to choke every single match against Djokovic since clay season 2011.

reery
02-16-2012, 02:59 PM
Especially Fed fans, but Rafa fans too against Nole, have you lowered your expectations?

I have and have been able to sleep peacefully ever since! :wavey: :angel:

Federer's best chance to win another major will come at the USO this year.

Mystique
02-16-2012, 03:13 PM
My expectations for fed are greatly reduced. I see him winning only 4-6 more slams.
:worship:

munZe konZa
02-16-2012, 05:47 PM
My expectations for fed are greatly reduced. I see him winning only 4-6 more slams.
Oh come on, Fed boy thinks he can still be number 1. You are not that optimistic.

Sri
02-17-2012, 02:53 AM
Federer's best chance to win another major will come at the USO this year.
Not in this slow era. :lol: Fed may have a legitimate chance at the WTFs.

Sri
02-17-2012, 02:55 AM
Oh come on, Fed boy thinks he can still be number 1. You are not that optimistic.
I think all champions always think they are the best. Many years ago my school badminton told me I was the best, and you should have seen how crappy I was.

I think sports persons and politicians keep deluding themselves.

munZe konZa
02-17-2012, 03:07 AM
I think all champions always think they are the best. Many years ago my school badminton told me I was the best, and you should have seen how crappy I was.

I think sports persons and politicians keep deluding themselves.


I do not listen to them usually especially when they start to sound nostalgic.
Why can't we laugh at such people and those who support them ?

Sri
02-17-2012, 03:16 AM
I do not listen to them usually especially when they start to sound nostalgic.
Why can't we laugh at such people and those who support them ?
Hmm.. i would wait until he drops out of the top 10 and stops making slam semis and finals .. after which you can laugh at him!

heya
02-17-2012, 03:16 AM
overachiever fed is a marvel.
a few davis cup matches wearing down this ballerina would've reduced his masters cup & slam title count.
no amount of embarrassment overreactions to mediocre shots could change that fact.

gulzhan
02-17-2012, 03:20 AM
I still expect Rafa to beat Federer and I am sort of hoping for him to finally beat Djokovic :unsure: I guess that means I didn't lower my expectations? Nadal fans were never as spoiled as Federer's fans and we take defeats easier. I am fine with Rafa lose to Murray for example or even Del Potro. It's upsetting but still OK when Nadal loses early in a tournament as long as it is not clay and not a GS.

BigJohn
02-17-2012, 04:17 AM
overachiever fed is a marvel.
a few davis cup matches wearing down this ballerina would've reduced his masters cup & slam title count.
no amount of embarrassment overreactions to mediocre shots could change that fact.

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tripwires
02-17-2012, 06:02 AM
My expectations for fed are greatly reduced. I see him winning only 4-6 more slams.

Same here. :hearts:

Mountaindewslave
02-17-2012, 06:51 AM
i have practically given up any expectation for Nadal to beat Djokovic. my expectations are high for Rafael still, but against Novak i have lost entire hope. part of this is forced obviously given the H2H recently and the other part is self willed as my plan is abandon any hope for Nadal against him and am surprised.

I definitely know Nadal will beat Djokovic sometime this year but still I certainly have no idea when to expect it. Nadal was close in Australia but one must feel like that is more because of Djokovic than Nadal.

I have lowered my expecttions for Nadal against Djokovic yes. Federer on the other hand is the opposite! i expect him to do well against Djokovic but in general i have lowered my expectations as it is unrealistic for him to preform at his best week in and week out when confronted with age and loss of focus

DemiCrayanhan
02-17-2012, 09:54 AM
I've made peace with the fact that any additional trophy Fed gets is just a nice little bonus at the end of a brilliant career. I don't watch his matches with any expectation beyond the hope that I get to see a few cool shots now and then. Anything more and I'm pleasantly surprised. So, for me, 2011 has been not so terrible.

With Rafa, I expect him to make it to the final and lose to Djokovic. He set that bar himself last year and certainly lived up to my expectations so far. When (if) he exceeds them, I'll be just as pleasantly surprised.

Living with my renewed lower expectations on Roger is a helluva lot easier than on Rafa. After all, one's about to retire, the other is supposedly still in his prime. I do find myself watching the next gen's matches more and more this year hoping I see someone I like to root for in the future.

reery
02-17-2012, 10:52 AM
Not in this slow era. :lol: Fed may have a legitimate chance at the WTFs.

It is still his best chance. I certainly have low expectations at Wimbledon because he lost in the QF the past 2 years and it wasn't even to Nadal or Djokovic but to Berdych and Tsonga. Grass has become his worst surface in an ironic way. At RG he has better chances thanks to the babolat balls that suit him as well as the faster than in the past clay but Nadal has better chances of making the final there than at any other slam. So USO is where he has the best chances, he was so close to making the final the past 2 years.

duong
02-17-2012, 11:00 AM
Actually, I still have a lot of tension during Fed's matches ... but not the ones some would think : I have no tension at all in semifinals against Djokovics or Nadals, even against Djokovic in the US Open last year at match point I remember somebody told me "that's great he's winning" and I stopped him "it's not finished" quite calmly.

I have tension in other Fed's matches : the most tense round for me is round 16, when he has to meet a very good opponent but whom he still should beat, in QF I'm already less tense because I feel it's 50-50, and it's all gone if he reaches SF.

Why do I feel that tension ?

1. Because I feel it's his level, the level I can expect, between SF and QF.

2. Because it's still important for him to stay in top-4 to have better draws in slams then to still keep a correct opportunity to win a slam or reach the final, because yes he still has this ability when he's in a great form (remember against Djokovic in RG and US Open last year or against Nadal in WTF) or if the draw is good (Australian Open 2010).

I don't look at all at his ranking comparing to Djokovic, Nadal or even Murray (actually in my mind I consider that he's behind Murray, I'm still surprised he's ahead of him when I look at the rankings).

I only compare to Tsonga, Ferrer, Berdych, Del Potro, and last year also to Fish.

Fortunately I feel better since the Aus open since he has a better margin over them, but there's still something important which is keeping number 4 seed for Wimbledon comparing to Tsonga.

Currently he's 755 points ahead of Tsonga for that number 4 seed according to my calculations.

PS : this tension in R16 and QF is also explained by the fact that sometimes Fed let his opponents come back while he had the lead, some lost points which looked unimportant at the moment happened to be crucial in the end (for instance against Baghdatis in Indian Wells) : I remember last year when Federer missed a baseline smash to have to face a breakpoint against Tsonga in the beginning of third set of their QF, I took my head in my hands saying "Nooo" : I felt it might be a turning point ... and it was the turning point indeed in the end. Afterwards, I read an articles from a French journalist who said that at 2 sets-love it just looked too easy for Roger "another day at the office", that was clearly not my state of mind. In US Open semifinal I never thought Roger was comfortable when he led two sets to love against Djokovic either.

Farenhajt
02-17-2012, 11:07 AM
I did lower my expectations. Him known to be a huge tennis beast, I expected a swift, convincing, aggressive and elegant retirement once the first break opportunity presented itself. Now procrastination and old age will lead to yet another long and boring tiebreak.

ssin
02-17-2012, 12:27 PM
Blues for true fedfans. being :sad: is ok.:hug:

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