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Palestine-Israel conflict

abraxas21
02-14-2012, 04:36 PM
the girl is Palestinian and the perpetrators were Israelis.

Thats Zionism for you

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/48e5e2be2.html

Certinfy
02-14-2012, 04:37 PM
Disgusting.

Har-Tru
02-14-2012, 04:54 PM
the girl is Palestinian and the perpetrators were Israelis.

Thats Zionism for you

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/48e5e2be2.html

No, that's Zionism for you.

abraxas21
02-14-2012, 05:04 PM
well, i don't expect some sort of agreement with the ones who hate Muslims and Arabs

ImmzB
02-15-2012, 01:13 AM
F*CK them!

buddyholly
02-15-2012, 02:00 AM
Don't know where the little girl comes in, but Falk has in his record a declaration that Ayatollah Khomenei ''may give the world a model of humane governance.'' Great insight, there.
He also believes the Bush government was involved in 9/11.
And last year he apologized for publishing on his blog an anti-semitic cartoon, saying that he didn't realize the Star of David was a Jewish symbol. The man is a Jew. Clearly he is a shameless liar. Or maybe the only Jew in the universe who does not recognize the Star of David.

abraxas21
02-15-2012, 02:26 AM
And last year he apologized for publishing on his blog an anti-semitic cartoon, saying that he didn't realize the Star of David was a Jewish symbol. The man is a Jew. Clearly he is a shameless liar. Or maybe the only Jew in the universe who does not recognize the Star of David.

even though he did apologize for it, he didn't say that at all. hell, the star of David isn't even featured in the drawing!

this is the cartoon in question btw. hardly racist, imho, but that's another matter

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/AS-Cartoon.jpg

emotion
02-15-2012, 02:46 AM
i agree it's a stupid controversy but it is there
The US needs to stop supporting Israel

buddyholly
02-15-2012, 03:01 AM
even though he did apologize for it, he didn't say that at all. hell, the star of David isn't even featured in the drawing!

this is the cartoon in question btw. hardly racist, imho, but that's another matter

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/AS-Cartoon.jpg

Now you are denying that you can see it. So typical of you to simply see what you want to see, and to hell with what is actually there. Justice has the excuse of being blindfolded, you don't.

Why are you posting a 2008 report anyway? Wouldn't it be more up-to-date to start a thread on the Syrian children that are being tortured and killed in Syria?

tripwires
02-15-2012, 03:05 AM
The cartoon is quite representative of the Israel/Palestine conflict IMO.

The Star is on the cap abraxas.

tripwires
02-15-2012, 03:07 AM
i agree it's a stupid controversy but it is there
The US needs to stop supporting Israel

Absolutely couldn't agree more. Half of Israel's bravado stems from American support.

Black Adam
02-15-2012, 11:53 AM
True story.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250458&stc=1&d=1329306804

Felipe Abe
02-15-2012, 12:24 PM
True story.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250458&stc=1&d=1329306804

Sad true :sad:

Seingeist
02-15-2012, 02:16 PM
the girl is Palestinian and the perpetrators were Israelis.

Thats Zionism for you

Absolutely it is.

Holding Palestinian infants at gunpoint is actually part of an Israeli's typical morning routine, usually after the cup of coffee but before reading the papers.

Oh, and as tripwires already pointed out, look a little closer at the picture. ;)

ballbasher101
02-15-2012, 02:21 PM
The human race is shameful. Apparently we are better than animals yet we slaughter each other on a daily basis. We have become shockingly efficient at annihilating each other. We will be the sole cause of our downfall. Just like animals our behaviour is not easily controlled by rational thinking. Impulses and hormones play a major part in determining our behaviour.

tripwires
02-15-2012, 02:54 PM
Why are you posting a 2008 report anyway? Wouldn't it be more up-to-date to start a thread on the Syrian children that are being tortured and killed in Syria?

I get your point (I think) but to be fair, the Israel/Palestine situation is nowhere close to being resolved despite the passage of 3, 4 years.

abraxas21
02-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Absolutely it is.

Holding Palestinian infants at gunpoint is actually part of an Israeli's typical morning routine, usually after the cup of coffee but before reading the papers.

the fact that ordinary israeli citizens don't do anything to stop the abuses of the Israeli Defense Forces speaks bad on them as a society and worse still when it comes to understand zionism.

in any case, UN reports are pretty unnecessary. just images speak for themselves. all in all, it's just a matter of common sense

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vBfoDAPj3Ek/S6s0gdSHLSI/AAAAAAAABZw/PPueJBouOh4/s1600/400_0___10000000_0_0_0_0_0_israeli_soldier_points_ his_gun_at_a_palestinian_child_in_hebron_city_2007 .jpg

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltr1h2MR0X1r5s5yao1_500.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q_cuohbm2B8/RnZrJZ0dL7I/AAAAAAAAAIE/V7eI6XkFs20/s320/1.jpeg


And that's just the IDF. like i said, ordinary citizens are not much better. sometimes they're worse

http://no2wars.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/israeli-children-attacking-arab-woman.jpg?w=450&h=322

abraxas21
02-15-2012, 05:29 PM
The cartoon is quite representative of the Israel/Palestine conflict IMO.

The Star is on the cap abraxas.

ok

buddyholly
02-15-2012, 05:45 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vBfoDAPj3Ek/S6s0gdSHLSI/AAAAAAAABZw/PPueJBouOh4/s1600/400_0___10000000_0_0_0_0_0_israeli_soldier_points_ his_gun_at_a_palestinian_child_in_hebron_city_2007 .jpg


So from that photo you can confidently state that the soldier is ''threatening the child at gunpoint?'' There was nothing else going on in the area? The soldier took the child outside? If it is 3am, why is it so bright outside? Is that really a girl in the photo? Why is the other child acting so casually with his hands in his pockets? Does the photo have anything to do with your thread title?

Is this thread really a game of ''spot the mistakes in this picture?"

You have outdone yourself. If UN reports are unnecessary, why do you feel the need to post 4-year-old-ones? Was this incident even mentioned in the report you actually posted in support of the thread title?

I can only conclude you just put together a report, a picture and the thread title, none of which is related to the other two.
Please don't grow up to be a scientist. You will never pass peer review. Maybe propagandist is your vocation.

tripwires
02-16-2012, 01:57 AM
Abraxas, why don't you change the thread title to "Israel/Palestine conflict" or something like that?

and please post a warning before posting those pics. :sad:

abraxas21
02-16-2012, 05:49 PM
Abraxas, why don't you change the thread title to "Israel/Palestine conflict" or something like that?

ok, i will. i've actually started other threads about the subject so it could be a good idea to have an official one

and please post a warning before posting those pics. :sad:

well, BH doesn't seem to have a problem. he probly feels right at home considering he was raised in northern ireland...

buddyholly
02-16-2012, 06:18 PM
well, BH doesn't seem to have a problem. he probly feels right at home considering he was raised in northern ireland...

You get more desperate every day. Constantly going off on worn-out tangents.

Jimnik
02-16-2012, 06:27 PM
Seriously my Chilean friend? Do you dream up images like these?

Why are you so obsessed with the dark side?

habibko
02-16-2012, 10:11 PM
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltr1h2MR0X1r5s5yao1_500.jpg

I'm no defender of Israel and no one denies the atrocities committed and is continually committed by the Israeli army and illegal settlers, but there's no need to use fake/staged pictures to prove that point, this one in particular I know it isn't true

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tSce8N0ITv0/TyrkdTnaAiI/AAAAAAAAA30/vZqm6DrvRIE/s1600/Pallywood+picture.JPG

Seingeist
02-16-2012, 11:05 PM
I'm no defender of Israel and no one denies the atrocities committed and is continually committed by the Israeli army and illegal settlers, but there's no need to use fake/staged pictures to prove that point, this one in particular I know it isn't true

:lol: pwned.

NID.

You're such a joke, abraxas.

"just images speak for themselves."

:yeah:

Seingeist
02-16-2012, 11:14 PM
Here's another picture of an Israeli soldier, this time actually firing on a Palestinian child.

Squeamish posters: be warned, it's extremely disturbing, and you may wish to leave now.































http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh510/tnorq/rambo-ii-10.jpg

buddyholly
02-17-2012, 12:49 AM
just images speak for themselves. all in all, it's just a matter of common sense


http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltr1h2MR0X1r5s5yao1_500.jpg



Maybe you want to rethink that common sense claim.

buddyholly
02-17-2012, 12:56 AM
Abraxas,

please post a warning before posting those pics. :sad:

''Caveat emptor'' would be a suitable warning for them.

I don't think I am wilLIN to LINger in this thread any more, and will take my taLINts to the PaLINstinian thread.

abraxas21
02-17-2012, 02:11 AM
I'm no defender of Israel and no one denies the atrocities committed and is continually committed by the Israeli army and illegal settlers, but there's no need to use fake/staged pictures to prove that point, this one in particular I know it isn't true

my sincere apologies. i will be more careful checking the sources of the images i might get the next time. or better yet, not post pics at all. facts and words speak for themselves.

abraxas21
02-17-2012, 02:12 AM
Here's another picture of an Israeli soldier, this time actually firing on a Palestinian child.

all trolling aside, i'll ask you an honest question: what's your opinion on the palestinian-israeli conflict?

tripwires
02-17-2012, 07:07 AM
well, BH doesn't seem to have a problem. he probly feels right at home considering he was raised in northern ireland...

You get more desperate every day. Constantly going off on worn-out tangents.

I'm still a huge fan of the bickering. :hearts:

Here's another picture of an Israeli soldier, this time actually firing on a Palestinian child.

Squeamish posters: be warned, it's extremely disturbing, and you may wish to leave now.



:facepalm:

''Caveat emptor'' would be a suitable warning for them.

I don't think I am wilLIN to LINger in this thread any more, and will take my taLINts to the PaLINstinian thread.

Wrong thread mate.

I didn't know the pic was fake. :o

Seingeist
02-17-2012, 08:34 AM
all trolling aside, i'll ask you an honest question: what's your opinion on the palestinian-israeli conflict?

I'll give you the terse version (a more involved one would require a good-faith interlocutor).

It's horrible, it's complicated, it's highly charged, and there is blame (to greater or lesser extents) on both sides.

However, until I am a thoroughgoing expert on the subject (I make no such pretensions), I have no wish to join the legions of armchair foreign policy experts who seek to do little more than demonize the objects of their a priori bias (by, say, carelessly fishing out fake pictures that make the target look bad, with no consideration given to their veracity).

You would be well-advised to adopt a similarly cautious way of thinking, but that is not the way of today's younger generation.

abraxas21
02-17-2012, 11:10 PM
I'll give you the terse version (a more involved one would require a good-faith interlocutor).

It's horrible, it's complicated, it's highly charged, and there is blame (to greater or lesser extents) on both sides.

However, until I am a thoroughgoing expert on the subject (I make no such pretensions), I have no wish to join the legions of armchair foreign policy experts who seek to do little more than demonize the objects of their a priori bias (by, say, carelessly fishing out fake pictures that make the target look bad, with no consideration given to their veracity).

You would be well-advised to adopt a similarly cautious way of thinking, but that is not the way of today's younger generation.

and that is not to say anything of real content? you and i are virtually from the same generation btw. however, i suppose it should be accounted that ideas among generations vary from culture to culture. not every country's generation thinks like, say, the americans think so i don't think there is much of a point in considering that younger generations accross different nations must have similar culutural traits.

as for the conflict, believe me, i've heard and read stories from both sides. in that regard, without claiming to be an expert or much less than that, i've been reading about this for this for a few years now. but that does matter? you have made up your mind already. your idea that my conceptions are based on bias merely because the focus of my protest is primarely on one side only is by itself a biased way of looking at things. judging that someone's opinion is wrong purely because it is expressed with aggressive words is akin to judging a book's worth purely by it's front cover.

last but not least, i was somewhat ashamed over that picture in the second page. ergo, it was the first time i've given any type of apologies on these boards.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 02:18 PM
''My opinion of Christian zionists? They're scum. But don't tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.'' Benjamin Netanyahu :spit:

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 02:24 PM
Who needs enemies when they (the Christian zionists) have friends like that.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 05:25 PM
''My opinion of Christian zionists? They're scum. But don't tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.'' Benjamin Netanyahu :spit:

We have already seen the result of false pics in this thread. Now comes a quote with no source. Racist blogs are the only place on the Internet where I could find this supposed quote even mentioned. Is that where you spend your time?

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 05:45 PM
Big Ben was hardly going to say that in front of a camera, was he? The whole anti zionist = anti jewish narrative is wearing a little thin. I will now get back to reading my favourite blog (which has a jewish man as an author).

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 06:35 PM
So you admit you are a gullible useful idiot of the crazy left?

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 07:08 PM
So you admit you are a gullible useful idiot of the crazy left?

I don't remember doing that.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 07:11 PM
It was a question.

But don't worry about it. If you post quotes here and have no idea where they came from, I will draw my own conclusions. No, he didn't have to say it in front of a camera, but there must be some record of him actually saying it, no? Any reasonable person would expect that.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 07:20 PM
Not having categorical confirmation of a quote does not mean it was not said. I believe it was. You obviously don't.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 07:49 PM
Not having categorical confirmation of a quote does not mean it was not said. I believe it was. You obviously don't.

But where did you first hear of this quote?

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 07:56 PM
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=benjamin%20netanyahu%20christian%20zionists%20sc um&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whale.to%2Fb%2Fnetanyahu_h.ht ml&ei=D6VCT6LoNo2a-wa5lr1T&usg=AFQjCNGjKF46Aid1gOFJWauBAJYV2s840w Scroll down. Only picked up on it recently.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 07:56 PM
"My opinion of non-Muslim Palestinian sympathizers? They're scum. But don't tell them that, we need all the useful idiots we can get right now." Mahmoud Abbas.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 08:03 PM
Why do you think I care for the palestinian leadership?

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 08:05 PM
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=benjamin%20netanyahu%20christian%20zionists%20sc um&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whale.to%2Fb%2Fnetanyahu_h.ht ml&ei=D6VCT6LoNo2a-wa5lr1T&usg=AFQjCNGjKF46Aid1gOFJWauBAJYV2s840w Scroll down. Only picked up on it recently.

Need we take this any further? You have just linked me to a website for nutters. Happy reading.

BTW, that is not a quote, just a fabrication on a website for the mentally challenged. It is as genuine as the Abbas quote I just made up.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 08:17 PM
I am not denying the possibility that it is false. This is a matter of character for me. I am convinced he said it because of the judgement I have made of him. That is my right. A despicable man who will take as much as he is given and more.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 08:22 PM
I am not denying the possibility that it is false. This is a matter of character for me. I am convinced he said it because of the judgement I have made of him. That is my right. A despicable man who will take as much as he is given and more.

So you judge people and then, based on that, decide what they have said? Or is it really the other way round? You are willing to accept what are obvious lies in order to arrive at the opinion you want to have?

I mean, surely you realize that the only sources for this quote are anti-Israel extremist websites? Are you really going to accept what they print without question?

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 08:55 PM
The fella gives me the creeps. A charlatan of the highest order.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 08:57 PM
buddyholly, why such a passionate defence of zionism?

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 09:02 PM
I have not in any way defended Zionism. Nor is there any passion involved. I am simply pointing out that posting fabricated quotes from ridiculous websites designed to attract the most naive, gullible and anti-semitic readers will get a response from me. I am defending common sense against lunacy, if anything.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 09:09 PM
I am not defending Zionism. I am pointing out that posting fabricated quotes from ridiculous websites designed to attract the most naive, gullible and anti-semitic readers will get a response from me. I am defending common sense.

:rolleyes: Very snide how you have dropped that in there. Do you realise that some of the most fervent opponents to zionism are jews? Then we have crazy kook christians Falwell and Robertson who have wet dreams about zionism. As do you.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 09:29 PM
You're getting a little desperate now and trying to move away from the topic.

I used ''anti-semitic'' because I do not see much wriggle room for a person who reads extremist anti-semitic websites that willingly make up lies, knowing that their readers will swallow whatever garbage they want to print.

I am a convinced atheist, so don't care what gives the corpse of Jerry Falwell wet dreams.

As for the comment on my own wet dreams, that is irrelevant and you have now moved on to outrageous personal comments, simply to try to distance yourself from having owned up to being one of those readers of pure fictional garbage, designed to be of interest to the least intelligent and most bigoted readers.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 09:41 PM
I do not take kindly to being called anti semitic for being anti zionist. Your accusations elicited my previous post and its more crude elements. I find your blanket refusal to even consider that Netanyahu could have uttered those words to be a sign of insecurity on your behalf.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 09:56 PM
I do not take kindly to being called anti semitic for being anti zionist. Your accusations elicited my previous post and its more crude elements. I find your blanket refusal to even consider that Netanyahu could have uttered those words to be a sign of insecurity on your behalf.

I don't follow your reasoning. I have seen zero evidence he said those words. Why would anyone consider whether or not something with zero evidence is true. Show me even the slightest bit of evidence and I will consider it.
Otherwise I would just as well spend my time considering if clouds are made of marshmallow. There is also zero evidence for that.

Once again, it is not insecurity to not consider what is not there. Just common sense. But if you want to keep considering, go ahead.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 10:02 PM
I don't follow your reasoning. I have seen zero evidence he said those words. Why would anyone consider whether or not something with zero evidence is true. Show me even the slightest bit of evidence and I will consider it.
Otherwise I would just as well spend my time considering if clouds are made of marshmallow. There is also zero evidence for that.

Once again, it is not insecurity to not consider what is not there. Just common sense. But if you want to keep considering, go ahead.

A symptom of your linear line of thought.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 10:18 PM
You reason that your opinion of someone allows you to believe that he said things for which there is zero evidence of him saying them.

I repeat, I don't follow your reasoning. Actually, now that I think about it, it is not even reasoning, just fantasizing.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 10:58 PM
It would be quite the leap of faith for you (buddyholly) to doubt your god (Netanyahu), so imbued that you are with zionist contradictions. That is your prerogative. I do not need absolute proof because I am a fine judge of character. Perhaps I AM biased against Netanyahu but there is plenty to be biased against. Look into his eyes. The guy is foul.

buddyholly
02-20-2012, 11:25 PM
I do not need absolute proof because I am a fine judge of character.

Let's just finish this then.
Surely you must realize that anyone who takes a fictional quote from a website that obviously consists of fictional hate speech and says "Well, I believe it is true because I am a fine judge of character," is clearly not qualified to be a judge of anything.

Roadmap
02-20-2012, 11:32 PM
This has been a sterling contest. One day you will see the light. :cool:

buddyholly
02-21-2012, 12:35 AM
This wasn't about Netanyahu or Zionism, but about swallowing total crap on extremist websites - and I am not likely to ''see the light'' on the idiocy of that any time soon.

Roadmap
02-21-2012, 01:15 AM
This wasn't about Netanyahu or Zionism, but about swallowing total crap on extremist websites - and I am not likely to ''see the light'' on the idiocy of that any time soon.

In your eyes only. The 9/11 thruth movement must be a mirage. Silly me.

buddyholly
02-21-2012, 03:06 AM
Go for it then There is a whole universe of conspiracy theories out there waiting for your devotion.

No, the 9/11 truth movement is not a mirage. But their agenda is, and you seem unable to distinguish the difference. As if you would claim that there are ghost stories in the literature, therefore ghosts must be real.