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What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

Shinoj
02-14-2012, 01:29 PM
He has the Talent

He is Brave

He is physically fit

What is stopping him?

Is it the Slow Courts? Is it the Top 4? Is it his Mental Ineptitude?

What is it?

To be honest, its been a while since i saw Berdych play. I,like most of the ones here, used to think its his lack of Mental toughness that is hurting him but then i saw him play in AO. he was quite good. I think the Slow courts are hurting him. He was hitting three or four winners against Nadal only to be returned back to him.

Has the Slow Courts been unfair to players like Berdych. I think it has been.

Clay Death
02-14-2012, 01:33 PM
3 things:

1. lack of consistency
2. lack of optimal movement
3. lack of a more dominating serve


he can compensate for some of his deficiencies if he can develop a far more dominating serve. that goes a long way.

top players move better and they are simply more consistent. he is also terrified of the net. no harm in going forward and giving them different looks. you should be able to go in when you get or create those opportunities.

Hian-GOAT
02-14-2012, 01:34 PM
Murray, Federer.

Nole Rules
02-14-2012, 01:37 PM
1. A great consistent serve.
2. Going to the net more.

Time Violation
02-14-2012, 01:38 PM
He is maybe fit at the moment, but it's not always the case, didn't he have to retire a couple of times last year? And too incosistent... when it goes in, he looks awesome, when it doesn't it's another story :p

LawrenceOfTennis
02-14-2012, 01:38 PM
Inconsistency. He has bigger pure talent than top 4 except for Federer.
But Berdych's a headcase. Always been.

Certinfy
02-14-2012, 01:40 PM
First 2 sets in Australia vs Nadal showed that he can keep up with Nadal playing near his best (lets be honest, that was by far Nadal's best match in absolute ages). But he just isn't consistent enough and yes, the slow courts have been unfair on him.

Either way he's had a good start to the year and if he continues like this then maybe it will happen. I mean it's all starting to fall into place, 2010 was a year of great results, 2011 of consistency, so now it's a matter of just putting it together, also helps that in the head he's a lot better mentally now too. Serve has improved a lot too, finished the last 2 years in the top 5 of 1st service points won, only other player that achieved that too is Federer. Is also currently number 1 in first service points won for this year.

As for the top 4 stopping him, I don't think so. As much as I like Murray I think Berdych at his best is better.

Fujee
02-14-2012, 01:41 PM
Because he isn't good enough.

ballbasher101
02-14-2012, 01:49 PM
His volleying is crap. Crap is a strong word so I will say his volleying is average. It cost him the match against Nadal. He will never move like the guys in the top 4. Mentally he can never match or keep up with Nadal, Federer and the Djoker. The courts are not helping his game. He has to hit 2 or 3 winners in order to get a point against speed merhants like Nadal. He is pretty much screwed as things stand. The best he can hope for is reaching the last 8 or last 4 in the truly big events. He can spring a surprise here and there but he can never truly disturb the top guys frequently just like Tsonga.

Hewitt =Legend
02-14-2012, 01:51 PM
Egg.

Ajde.

Chirag
02-14-2012, 02:02 PM
His volleys and his mind :facepalm:
He is a very dangerous player

BroTree123
02-14-2012, 02:03 PM
His reluctance to shake hands with his opponents.

rocketassist
02-14-2012, 02:13 PM
Slow courts and choking.

Macbrother
02-14-2012, 02:23 PM
His volleying is crap. Crap is a strong word so I will say his volleying is average. It cost him the match against Nadal. He will never move like the guys in the top 4. Mentally he can never match or keep up with Nadal, Federer and the Djoker. The courts are not helping his game. He has to hit 2 or 3 winners in order to get a point against speed merhants like Nadal. He is pretty much screwed as things stand. The best he can hope for is reaching the last 8 or last 4 in the truly big events. He can spring a surprise here and there but he can never truly disturb the top guys frequently just like Tsonga.

On the contrary crap is not a strong enough word. Other than his exploitable movement (which he can get around with his huge power game if he stays ahead in the points) his lack of variety, particularly at net really hurts him. Sometimes those few points here and there make all the difference in a match.

His return game can be a little depressing at times, as well.

MaxPower
02-14-2012, 02:29 PM
Dunno about the going to the net more. Often gets burned badly by passing shots. Also funny to say "his volleying is crap" when the slow ass courts often allows the opponent to take a full swing and send a rocket that becomes very hard to control.

What holds him back is his movement and his consistency. Maybe also should buy a Djokovic egg and add 10+15 more ball bounces so he doesn't have those walkabout service games where he can't get a FS in to save his life/serves 2 DFs.

But his path to victory is definitely controlling the baseline rallies. Going to the net more is suicidal with fluff balls and slow courts. He should only do it when he got the opponent pushed way back

finishingmove
02-14-2012, 02:30 PM
At least, four reasons.

stanch
02-14-2012, 02:32 PM
Just mentally not strong enough. And volleying - you know what I mean. :)

Shinoj
02-14-2012, 02:38 PM
Dunno about the going to the net more. Often gets burned badly by passing shots. Also funny to say "his volleying is crap" when the slow ass courts often allows the opponent to take a full swing and send a rocket that becomes very hard to control.



This.

Macbrother
02-14-2012, 02:42 PM
Dunno about the going to the net more. Often gets burned badly by passing shots. Also funny to say "his volleying is crap" when the slow ass courts often allows the opponent to take a full swing and send a rocket that becomes very hard to control.

They are all playing on the same slow courts; Berdych's are noticeably worse.

ossie
02-14-2012, 02:43 PM
his awkward movement

EliSter
02-14-2012, 02:46 PM
Because top 4 are better.

ballbasher101
02-14-2012, 02:47 PM
Dunno about the going to the net more. Often gets burned badly by passing shots. Also funny to say "his volleying is crap" when the slow ass courts often allows the opponent to take a full swing and send a rocket that becomes very hard to control.

What holds him back is his movement and his consistency. Maybe also should buy a Djokovic egg and add 10+15 more ball bounces so he doesn't have those walkabout service games where he can't get a FS in to save his life/serves 2 DFs.

But his path to victory is definitely controlling the baseline rallies. Going to the net more is suicidal with fluff balls and slow courts. He should only do it when he got the opponent pushed way back


Yes volleying is harder than it was 10 or so years ago but some of his misses at the net leave you speechless. A man with his frame should be able to cover the net pretty well also. He can't beat the likes of Nadal and Djokovic from the back. He needs to improve his net game.

Pirata.
02-14-2012, 02:55 PM
Djokovic
Nadal
Federer
Murray

Hope this helps.

luie
02-14-2012, 03:26 PM
Birdshit is a mediocre player that owes his high
Ranking to a weak top ten.

Mystique
02-14-2012, 03:34 PM
Because he isn't good enough.

Exactly this.

Berdych is a solid Top 10 player but he isnt Top 4 material in consistency. And consistency is key to be a top dog. All of the top 4 are better than him. It doesnt matter if he is comparable "at his best". On the average, he is not good enough.

Sophocles
02-14-2012, 03:35 PM
His volleying isn't actually that bad by today's standards, even though it was crap against Nadal. He's too error-prone, too slow, too choking, has an attackable 2nd serve, & lacks the X-factor, the creativity or vision, to make up for these deficiencies.

henke007
02-14-2012, 03:36 PM
Better Players

LawrenceOfTennis
02-14-2012, 03:40 PM
Djokovic
Nadal
Federer
Murray

Hope this helps.

:facepalm:

Seingeist
02-14-2012, 03:42 PM
Still not strong enough mentally. That was the most deficient element of his AO match against Nadal. If he hadn't made silly errors or gotten tight on the truly decisive points, he'd have won the match. Watching him on his set points was truly painful. Presumably, his general inconsistency can also be attributed to the space in between his ears.

romismak
02-14-2012, 04:12 PM
Hard to tell, mostly top 4 guys are too consistent and good on slams- get most points, but Berdych is up there with Tsonga - 2 guys i can imagine to crack top 4 if anyone can they can - i mean from guys that never did it, Delpo and Soderling already had career hign No.4. In Tsonga´s case he is limited by clay, where he won´t get many points, but Berdych is great everywhere, he can play on any HC-slow, fast, indoor-outdoor, grass suits him and he is also good on clay. Consistency is first key- he was consistent last year and now he is too, we will see if he continue this way, and than top 4 guys, he just need to beat them in slams, Masters to get points where they can´t to get confidence- that´s the key, game-wise when Berdych is ,,on,, he is dangerous for anybody, big serve, big FH, even good net game when he is playing great, agressive tennis, he has the tools we will see.

Ultravox
02-14-2012, 04:18 PM
Inconsistency. He has bigger pure talent than top 4 except for Federer.


:devil:
Really? I was always interested in one thing,how to measure "pure talent"? Is there some sort of special Scale for that?
I can assure you that Troicki has more pure talent than Murray or Tsonga than Nadal. Can you prove otherwise? :rolleyes:

Certinfy
02-14-2012, 04:20 PM
It's funny people say he's not good enough. :lol:

He's produced far more top 4 performances than many other players outside the top 4 for the last few years. I mean this is a guy who broke into the top 10 a few years back without even having a mental side, that's talent alone. :lol:

samanosuke
02-14-2012, 04:35 PM
too many things, thanx God

Shinoj
02-14-2012, 04:36 PM
By saying Volleying skills whom are you guys comparing Berdych's Volleying skills? I do not think any of the Top 4 has any exceptional Volleying skills either. Neither of the Top 4 do come to the Net that often. So what makes Berdych's Volleying skills Bad. Its that he followed a game pattern in which he needed to come to the Net More often than just camping at the Baseline like the Top 4 are doing at the moment. So obviously with that Game pattern he is taking much larger risks and with that larger risk he made a lot of volleying Errors.He tried a game pattern which the Top 4 didnt and never tried at all. So how can anyone say that his Volleying Skills are bad when the people whome he has been compared against never adopted that strategy at all.

Its plain Ignorance.

ballbasher101
02-14-2012, 04:54 PM
His volleying isn't actually that bad by today's standards, even though it was crap against Nadal. He's too error-prone, too slow, too choking, has an attackable 2nd serve, & lacks the X-factor, the creativity or vision, to make up for these deficiencies.


When a person has a weakness that weakness is normally revealed during times of great distress. Berdych's volleying does not hold up during important moments in big matches. The same goes for the Murray second serve and the Federer backhand. Berdych has reached a major final and has done pretty well unlike a certain Gasquet. I doubt Berdych can achieve much more when you look at the guys ahead of him.

Deathless Mortal
02-14-2012, 05:14 PM
It's funny people say he's not good enough. :lol:

He's produced far more top 4 performances than many other players outside the top 4 for the last few years. I mean this is a guy who broke into the top 10 a few years back without even having a mental side, that's talent alone. :lol:

Please learn you're tennis.

tektonac
02-14-2012, 05:16 PM
top 5.

Shinoj
02-14-2012, 05:23 PM
His volleying isn't actually that bad by today's standards, even though it was crap against Nadal. He's too error-prone, too slow, too choking, has an attackable 2nd serve, & lacks the X-factor, the creativity or vision, to make up for these deficiencies.

He is one of the most dangerous players around. With some luck he would have won over Nadal easily in the AO.

bouncer7
02-14-2012, 05:32 PM
If he can't handle single handed mug backhand of Federer he doesn't really deserve to be top4.....all modern players can easily

bouncer7
02-14-2012, 05:33 PM
He is one of the most dangerous players around. With some luck he would have won over Nadal easily in the AO.

luck LOL

Johnny Groove
02-14-2012, 05:39 PM
His own mind.

AO 09, he had Fed on the ropes, but couldn't close. Missed 1st serves at crucial times, played passively, made errors.

Wibmledon 2010 Final vs. Nadal, many times he had break points, often he couldn't even get Rafa's 2nd serve back into play.

And now AO 2012 QF, missed a volley that would have given him 2 sets to love, afterwards, physically was dominated by Rafa the last 2 sets.

So, mental strength, handling nerves, getting 1st serves into play at big points, and physically becoming even more of a beast.

r2473
02-14-2012, 05:40 PM
3 things:

1. lack of consistency
2. lack of optimal movement
3. lack of a more dominating serve


he can compensate for some of his deficiencies if he can develop a far more dominating serve. that goes a long way.

top players move better and they are simply more consistent. he is also terrified of the net. no harm in going forward and giving them different looks. you should be able to go in when you get or create those opportunities.

Now this is a rare sight. A pretty much perfect answer right off the bat.

Maybe toss in "mental strength". He doesn't quite seem to believe that he "should" be winning the big matches against the big boys. Unlike the big boys that just simply believe they should win pretty much all the time.

Berdych can also have surprising losses against lower ranked players. Something that you rarely if ever see from the top 3 (and even the top 4, except when Murray is sulking, which hopefully won't happen anymore).

samanosuke
02-14-2012, 05:43 PM
If he can't handle single handed mug backhand of Federer he doesn't really deserve to be top4.....all modern players can easily

keep progressing on mtf's stupidity scale :yeah:

Sapeod
02-14-2012, 05:47 PM
He isn't in the top 4 because the top 4 are in the top 4. He's nowhere near their level, even at his best. The current #4, Murray, is better than him. Therefore, he won't get into the top 4 when the lowet ranked player is better than him.
He can definitely be the #5 consistently though if he plays with more consistency.

Sound2k10
02-14-2012, 05:48 PM
Tsonga is better anyway.

tennizen
02-14-2012, 05:51 PM
The top 4.

emotion
02-14-2012, 05:52 PM
1) Murray is more consistent
2) A more offensive mental midget that Murray (defensive ones can at least just revert to pushing) and not the raw talent of Federer

green25814
02-14-2012, 06:04 PM
3 things:

1. lack of consistency
2. lack of optimal movement
3. lack of a more dominating serve


he can compensate for some of his deficiencies if he can develop a far more dominating serve. that goes a long way.

top players move better and they are simply more consistent. he is also terrified of the net. no harm in going forward and giving them different looks. you should be able to go in when you get or create those opportunities.

This is a very good point. I've often noticed during Berdych matches that he gets a ton of easy put away volleys which he fails to jump on by staying back. He'd make his life a lot easier if he could move in at the right times and finish points quicker. He's not the only modern player with a big game who doesn't do this though. He's just not used to volleying.

fast_clay
02-14-2012, 06:09 PM
Berdych is in need of a couple of cast-iron dodigs... the extra testosterone available from this career move is without doubt the x-factor required that would see Berdych right...

Lurking
02-14-2012, 06:21 PM
A better serve.

Jamoz
02-14-2012, 06:24 PM
His head.

Clydey
02-14-2012, 07:48 PM
At least, four reasons.

Arsen hitting the nail on the head.

He simply isn't as good, nor as consistent, as the top 4.

Farenhajt
02-14-2012, 08:37 PM
Does he have SOME talent? Sure.

Does he have THE talent? No.

Also, he's absolutely NEVER stricken me as sufficiently intelligent for the top tier.

leng jai
02-14-2012, 10:14 PM
His consistency and lack of testicular fortitude. He has an enormous serve and some of the most pure ball striking I've ever seen. His backhand is technically and aesthetically immaculate. The movement is not amazing but adequate for his size. Its all up to his mind - hes not called Berdbrain for nothing.

Are people really blaming his volleys? Its not like Rafito or Nole are volley masters.

Bilbo
02-14-2012, 10:36 PM
He is an awkward mover who lacks the talent to win slams

Deathless Mortal
02-14-2012, 10:39 PM
He is an awkward mover who lacks the talent to win slams

Slams are not necessary to become top 4.

Exhibit A:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2118/muzza.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/muzza.jpg/)

out_grinder
02-14-2012, 10:40 PM
Does he have SOME talent? Sure.

Does he have THE talent? No.

Also, he's absolutely NEVER stricken me as sufficiently intelligent for the top tier.

Intelligence?

Intelligence and tennis have nothing to do with each other.

How do you think Nadal, the guy who uses the same play every point of every match against every opponent on every surface, is able to succeed? ZERO creativity. It works, so good on him. And lol that 99% of the ATP are unable to deal with this one play, even the so called 'tactician' Andy Murray.

Strategy and intelligence have no place on a tennis court.

Birdshit needs to take the same SIMPLE approach as Nadal, but it is doubtful he has the same core/shoulder strength to produce the topspin, the left-handedness to make life difficult for righties, or the speed to track balls down. I dunno, retire, maybe?

LawrenceOfTennis
02-14-2012, 10:41 PM
He isn't in the top 4 because the top 4 are in the top 4. He's nowhere near their level, even at his best. The current #4, Murray, is better than him. Therefore, he won't get into the top 4 when the lowet ranked player is better than him.
He can definitely be the #5 consistently though if he plays with more consistency.

How ignorant. No surprise though.
Berdych at his best is better than Murray. Most people agree with this. Murray is way more consistent. That's all. Berdych can hit anybody off court on his day. Murray wears down his opponents at his best which is good and of course he is a deserving top 4 player. But stating he is more talented than Berdych is delusional.

BigJohn
02-14-2012, 10:42 PM
Slams are not necessary to become top 4.

Exhibit A:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2118/muzza.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/muzza.jpg/)


Bimbo was referring to why he is not a megastar...

Nice pic btw.

jon01
02-14-2012, 10:43 PM
Nothing.

He was great in Montpellier. I believe that he will win Rotterdam too.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-14-2012, 10:44 PM
He is an awkward mover who lacks the talent to win slams

I pity you. :lol:

leng jai
02-14-2012, 10:53 PM
Bilbo is a beacon of objectivity when it comes to Berdych.


Ajde.

Felipe Abe
02-14-2012, 11:14 PM
I think he should volley more.

Certinfy
02-14-2012, 11:17 PM
He can volley well, people just look too much into that match against Nadal where he was awful though. Just look at his matches at IW vs Mayer or London vs Tsonga and it's clear he can volley very well, in fact in both those matches he was only winning points through going to the net.

Houstonko
02-14-2012, 11:57 PM
Slow courts for sure lol. If the courts are fast in the first place its a different story for Berdych's attackin game. This guy will only look forward to paris masters and indoor season every year.

MuzzahLovah
02-15-2012, 12:04 AM
Berdy can certainly become Top four when Fed retires.

MuzzahLovah
02-15-2012, 12:10 AM
Seriously though, Berdy, like all big hitters, is pretty streaky. When they are on, they can beat anyone, but they usually aren't on for several matches in row, much less a season. I kind doubt Soda, Del Po, and Tsonga have the consistency to be a top 4 more than a few weeks at a time.

Jimnik
02-15-2012, 12:21 AM
He's not good enough? :shrug:

Farenhajt
02-15-2012, 03:29 AM
Strategy and intelligence have no place on a tennis court.

:haha: :haha: definitely sig material

Smiling Buddha
02-15-2012, 04:31 AM
Because he is selfless and is content with his position unlike the majority of the top 4 (Nadal, Djokovic, and Nadal). He is too sympathetic to take away from others so he remains at #7.

LisaKoh
02-15-2012, 11:41 AM
1. High-risk game

He hits very flat shots so when his timing is on, everything is beautiful but when his timing is off there is no Plan B.

2. Hands of Stone

Was at that QF match that he had against Nadal and he really did not know what to do up at the net the few times he got up there. If someone can teach him how to construct points with the massive groundies and finish them off properly at net, he'd do much better.

3. Movement

Today's game is a game built on defense. The top 5 is full of players who can run you ragged around a court and hit forty shot rallies with you all day. He's too big and too tall to play their type of tennis; his best chance is to hit through them and then play his attacking game. This can work sometimes but not always.

4. Mental issues

Yes, he's beaten everybody in the top 5 but there's something that has not quite clicked in his head. He does not seem ready for prime time. That being said, he looks really dangerous this year like he wants to cause some damage. I tip him for Rotterdam.

Puschkin
02-15-2012, 11:43 AM
Variety and a plan B, if plan A is not working.

Deivid23
02-15-2012, 12:07 PM
Now that he´s not banging a monster like Safarova and he´s getting that hottie into bed day in and day out, I think he stands a chance

Bad Religion
02-15-2012, 07:10 PM
Lack of talent obviously

EnriqueIG8
02-15-2012, 07:13 PM
How about some big tournament wins and a brain?


Obviously the guy has talent. I don't share the opinion that he has a bad volley, he has pretty decent volleys.
The 1st serve is huge, the 2nd serve is one of the better ones on the tour as well.

I think I've heard somewhere that Berdych together with Soderling hits the ball with the most power of both wings so he has the power and talent.


However he needs to work on his mental thing.

Bilbo
02-15-2012, 07:20 PM
Now that he´s not banging a monster like Safarova and he´s getting that hottie into bed day in and day out, I think he stands a chance

Are we talking about the same Safarova?

Everko
02-15-2012, 07:29 PM
Safarova is attractive

Say Hey Kid
02-15-2012, 07:55 PM
The top 4 and consistency.

EddieNero
02-15-2012, 08:30 PM
Lack of:

-brain
-balls
-consistency
-huge and EFFICIENT serve
-volley
-talent

romismak
02-15-2012, 08:41 PM
Lack of:

-brain
-balls
-consistency
-huge and EFFICIENT serve
-volley
-talent

Are you serious? - brain- he is thinking much more than before, but ok he is not mentally up there with top 4, balls-ok, consistency - since last year he is pretty consistent guy and last 3 seriusly? who has bigger serve from top 4? nobody - Roger has probably better serve thanks to variety and good 2nd, but bigger serve nobody and better maybe Roger, volleys- besides Roger and Jo and Mardy he is 4th best volleyer in current top 10, he is for sure one of better volleyers on the tour.

About talent no words - he is one of hardest hitting on the tour- flat clean shots, he is very talented guy for sure with average movement, deffense and return and bellow average mentall toughness it must be talent that keeps him up there in top 10 don´t you think?

r2473
02-15-2012, 08:44 PM
Another thing is the court speed. He's not a defender or a baseline grinder. He needs a court he can hit through to play his best tennis.

You can say that equals lack of intelligence ("just a ball basher") if you want I guess. But he has some damn pretty ground strokes to my eye. Flawless technique.

Bilbo
02-15-2012, 08:46 PM
He is not winning many titles compared to the top 4. So much for his talent.

Clydey
02-15-2012, 08:52 PM
He needs to hit the ball harder. I don't think he hits it hard enough.

Deivid23
02-17-2012, 09:14 AM
Are we talking about the same Safarova?

Safarova is attractive

ROFL

ossie
02-17-2012, 09:26 AM
Intelligence?

Intelligence and tennis have nothing to do with each other.


sig worthy material right there.

Shinoj
02-17-2012, 10:10 AM
Lack of:

-brain
-balls
-consistency
-huge and EFFICIENT serve
-volley
-talent


Ever held a Racket Yourself?

LisaKoh
02-17-2012, 10:28 AM
I think Berdych is going to win Rotterdam this week. Federer doesn't look like himself, I suspect a niggling injury (the warranty's expired) and honestly, Berdych is starting to look more focused and consistent this year. His confidence must be at an all-time high, he just won a title and he didn't do too badly at the Australian Open. If the conditions are right and if there are no pressing mental or physical problems, I can't see anybody giving him too much trouble except for Del Potro. JMDP has a good chance to win this tournament too but I haven't had a chance to see him play since Australia.

I'd pay good money to see a match between Berdych and JMDP, those two are just going to crush the ball.

mooncreek
02-17-2012, 08:17 PM
What's above his shoulders.

More so than any other Top 10 player, he's suspectible to moments where you can't help but yell at the TV "What is wrong with you!" Whether it's the mess at the end of the Almagro match at AO or losing to Stephane Robert first round of a major! His stretch at the French Open and Wimbledon in 2010 shows there's great upside but he's just not consistent with his shots in big matches.

Certinfy
02-17-2012, 08:21 PM
What's above his shoulders.

More so than any other Top 10 player, he's suspectible to moments where you can't help but yell at the TV "What is wrong with you!" Whether it's the mess at the end of the Almagro match at AO or losing to Stephane Robert first round of a major! His stretch at the French Open and Wimbledon in 2010 shows there's great upside but he's just not consistent with his shots in big matches.
Just to comment on that Robert lost, there's not much Berdych could have done in the last 3 sets. I mean Robert was literally unplayable off the ground and it was some of the craziest tennis I've ever seen (and I'm not even the only one to say this). I mean in the 5th Berdych was literally only winning points with his serve and in the end Robert hit 3 return winners off his first serve as well as countless off his 2nd to get the match winning break.

Bilbo
02-17-2012, 08:24 PM
Safarova is attractive

For your standards. I see way more attractive women each day.

Li Ching Yuen
02-17-2012, 08:29 PM
What's above his shoulders.

More so than any other Top 10 player, he's suspectible to moments where you can't help but yell at the TV "What is wrong with you!" Whether it's the mess at the end of the Almagro match at AO or losing to Stephane Robert first round of a major! His stretch at the French Open and Wimbledon in 2010 shows there's great upside but he's just not consistent with his shots in big matches.

Did you watch the Robert match?
Probably not. So please refrain from commenting on it.

As for the topic at hand:

Tennis wise:

Consistent serve.
Better second serve.
Better movement from the far-out forehand side.
A bit more margin on his rally shot.

^All those are not major issues but they're shortcomings that do stop him from making the next step.

Mentally he's not the weakest player in the Top10 even. Sure it'd be awesome if he was as strong mentally as Nadal but looking at the big picture the dude is not the guy to point out to in that area when you have guys like Verdasco and Fognini in the Top50.

An often critique you see a lot of people throwing at him is "Why didn't he beat *inserthigherrankedslamwinningplayerhere" in that match", I guess that's a compliment for Internet standards.

The way I see it, he could only maximize his potential if he manages his hot streaks of form better, that includes winning ugly and other valuable aspects of competitive sport. Few people seem to have forgot of his pre 09 days when every single day on a tennis court for him was either yes or no, with no grey area inbetween and plenty of excuses in case "no" happened. He went from there to being on paper one of the best players in the world and a decent competitor pretty much against anyone right now.

I think he's done well, and he's still improving as a player and a competitor.

mooncreek
02-17-2012, 08:36 PM
Unfortunately, I did see the Robert match. I didn't just make up yelling that to post a comment. Berdych let that guy take over.

Li Ching Yuen
02-17-2012, 08:43 PM
Unfortunately, I did see the Robert match. I didn't just make up yelling that to post a comment. Berdych let that guy take over.

No. When an opponent closes his eyes and starts half volleying the ball on a clay court trying to rip winners everywhere and gets the line on almost every shot, there's not a lot you can do. The guy hung on in there, even if frustrated he played the game as he should've and heck with some luck he could've had that match point and that game would've been history for everyone.

Or you could expect that somehow he got Isner's serve and Nadal's resilience for half a set just to put the guy away because MTF thinks it's inconceivable a guy ranked around 100 can play tennis, like he's an amateur filling draws in slams for the nice folks at the ITF. But it doesn't work that way, this a real sport, and a competitive one at that.

I'm sure there's also other people that think Llodra played like a "mug" and won their 1R at the US the year before, but the people that know tennis saw what happened and drew the right conclusions.

desigundah
02-18-2012, 08:42 AM
Pretty simple: Theres atleast 4 players that are better than him.

Perhaps asking why Berdych isn't top 5 is a better question. Theres no reason 5'8" soon to be 30 year old Ferrer is ahead of him. Tsonga and Berdych are pretty comparable with Tsonga probably having a better serve and a much better net game but Berdych having a bigger forehand (not by much) and better backhand.

As far as mechanics go the answer is pretty easy. The inconsistent ball toss doesn't help. The terrible net game hurts him too. If he sured up those two things he would be top 5 for sure and be a threat against the big 3+ Murray consistently.

LisaKoh
02-18-2012, 08:55 AM
But even if he fixed those things there's too little margin for error with his shots. They're too flat. Everything relies on his timing to be good and there is simply no plan B when the A game breaks down.

The surfaces and the weight of the balls probably don't help either.

Houstonko
02-18-2012, 10:11 AM
Pretty simple: Theres atleast 4 players that are better than him.

Perhaps asking why Berdych isn't top 5 is a better question. Theres no reason 5'8" soon to be 30 year old Ferrer is ahead of him. Tsonga and Berdych are pretty comparable with Tsonga probably having a better serve and a much better net game but Berdych having a bigger forehand (not by much) and better backhand.

As far as mechanics go the answer is pretty easy. The inconsistent ball toss doesn't help. The terrible net game hurts him too. If he sured up those two things he would be top 5 for sure and be a threat against the big 3+ Murray consistently.

Ferrer is not better than him, just better in defensive qualities, poorer in offensive qualities yet he is consistent no.5. There is enough evidence surface is main the reason. Berdych, Tsonga and Delpo will be devastating in the older courts 7 yrs ago. Nadal and spanish players who grew up on clay benefit the most from today's court, look how many in top 30. Ferrer was even ranked lower when he was young and start to rise up in like 27.

spielmacher
02-18-2012, 10:13 AM
Nothing stops him to the Top 4 :-)
Clay is not problem (Title from Munich), Murray, Federer can be defeated, mentally it is still stronger.

azure
02-18-2012, 11:05 AM
Despite personality faults, he is a good player. However the Top 4 is, and has been for a while, a cut above the rest of the field in terms of consistency.

LisaKoh
02-18-2012, 04:11 PM
So do we conclude from here that Berdych is simply destined to be King of the Second Tier? He's beating the guys he's supposed to be beating but he doesn't seem to have the X-factor that would get someone a GS or make someone a consistent threat. Maybe he can be counted on for an SF or two but seven straight seems like a big ask unless he makes some serious, drastic changes to his game.

Li Ching Yuen
02-18-2012, 04:20 PM
So do we conclude from here that Berdych is simply destined to be King of the Second Tier? He's beating the guys he's supposed to be beating but he doesn't seem to have the X-factor that would get someone a GS or make someone a consistent threat. Maybe he can be counted on for an SF or two but seven straight seems like a big ask unless he makes some serious, drastic changes to his game.

We can conclude that Del Potro is by far the most certain #5 in the world, potentially higher if Fed goes senile 100%.

Soderling and Berdych look about the same when they play Del Potro when the Argentine is playing great AND serving great.

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About this match, Berdych was clearly rattled by a lot of things as the match went on, most importantly by how unbelievable Potro was from the baseline. His only chance was if he had served as great as he did in the past few months, however in contrast he came up with his most horrific serve performance of the year, which was again, due to the pressure from Potro playing so well and him not being able to be composed when he did have some small chances.

Federer can beat Potro though, and pretty easily if he is on for one match, which would not be that surprising. Had he met Berdych which would mean the Czech would be coming into the match as confident as possible, I don't know, let's just say Federer matches much better against the Argentine.

Raiden
02-18-2012, 05:58 PM
Top 4? LMAO

Have you seen today's match?

Despite being in top form and so far this year undefeated (in ATP matches) Berdych escaped a near certain bagel by Delpo, who was spanking him at will... to the point of making him cry and moan.

ossie
02-18-2012, 06:06 PM
he keeps facing players that are better than him.

luie
02-19-2012, 12:48 AM
Del-pony showed us why.
Berdshit is a bye for the moonballer.
Del-pony > birdshit any day.

nsidhan
02-19-2012, 05:02 AM
His bird brain.

Mountaindewslave
02-19-2012, 05:34 AM
movement..... anyone can pull Berdych around the court on slow courtsssssss. that contributes to his inconsistancy in my opinion because i think at moments he feels like he has to overhit to compensate for his lack of speed