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Whats harder running a marethon or playing 5 sets over 6 hours?

1stserveace
02-14-2012, 01:56 AM
THis is a portion of one of my blog posts which I can't mention on here but wanted some opinions from this forum. What do you think?

I have always said that tennis does not get the respect it deserves for being one of the most physically demanding professional sports one can play. Thankfully our sport has finals like the one we had last week at the Australian Open that went 6 hours and 5 sets. This final definitely changed a few minds about the demands of men's pro tennis and hopefully gained a few new fans at the same time.

But lets analyze this, what other sport puts 2 men through such agony that they can't stand through the trophy presentation? Boxing or MMA? OK I'll give you that one, although Nadal's forehand might feel like a punch in the face.

But seriously, running a marathon? The pro's run those in their sleep... barefoot! Marathons have a starting point and finish line. The runners are not reacting to the actions of another, their fate is in their hands, or feet if you will.

But lets take a marathon as an example. 26.2 miles run by a pro in about 2 hours.

Nadal and Djokovic had run 29 miles combined at 2-2 in the 5th set. This means by the end of the match each player would have run approx. 16 miles. Yes that's 16 miles of side to side sprints while at the same time stopping to hit a ball traveling at 70MPH and kicking off the court like and angry donkey.

Keep in mind each player had run approximitly 13 miles just 2 nights before in their prior matches. Hard to determine the exact distance but using some basic math I estimate in the 7 matches needed to win a major, the finalist will run over 60 miles in the 2 week event. Impressive at every level. I'm not trying to get people to like tennis just respect it.

Asadinator
02-14-2012, 03:52 AM
Marathon obviously.

I would be absolutely dead or cramping if I played 6 hour match, but at least I could attempt it. Marathon? I wouldn't even reach 1/10 of the length. In a marathon, you have no time to recover like in a tennis match.

SaFed2005
02-14-2012, 04:37 AM
Running a marathon. You don't get breaks between points, games and sets.

dwarf shortage
02-14-2012, 05:48 AM
Marathon, you're basically running in one direction the whole time. Tennis requires agility and running back and forth would put more strain on the body.

GSMnadal
02-14-2012, 07:13 AM
5 sets for 6 hours, without doubt.

Plenty of people run marathons, even very old ones. Top fit and top ten athletes in tennis most of the time are dead even after a regular 5 setter, never mind one like the AO final. When running a marathon you can settle in a nice rhythm that feels good for you, with tennis, you need to fully sprint and you never know what's coming next or what your opponent comes up with.

BroTree123
02-14-2012, 07:16 AM
Playing 5 sets over 6 hours is harder because with running a marathon, you don't hold a tennis racquet :shrug:.

Deathless Mortal
02-14-2012, 07:21 AM
Just imagine Djokovic and Nadal running a marathon. Would they finish it? Sure. After a few days. Why? Because of toweling off after every few meters, taking injury time-outs and resting every now and again.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-14-2012, 07:21 AM
Both.

iriraz
02-14-2012, 08:18 AM
Certainly it`s tougher to recover after a marathon.How many marathons does a top runner do in a year?Maybe 3-4.But a top player can play plenty of long matches.Even in the same week a player might have 2 or 3 5 hour matches.

GrantOz44
02-14-2012, 08:28 AM
I don't know because 1) I'm not female and 2) I'm not a horse.

On a serious note, you should put a tighter definition on 'harder.' Harder on the body? Both equally. Harder on the mind? Tennis by a mile. Harder on the upper body? Tennis. Harder on the legs? Marathon.

Interesting discussion, though. :yeah:

Sound2k10
02-14-2012, 08:56 AM
Both are very different types of physical activity. In terms of endurance/stamina, then Marathon. However, tennis is far more mentally fatiguing and it also puts alot more stress on the body with all the sharp changes and quick movements. That's why older men/women can run marathons but not play tennis.

ossie
02-14-2012, 10:10 AM
this thread shows how many so called fans are just obese fucks sitting behind their pcs all day and have never even touched a racket

duong
02-14-2012, 10:21 AM
This is a nonsensical question : it all depends on the level of intensity.

Let's take cycling : in the beginning of the 20th century, cyclists of the Tour de France who were badly prepared rode for 400 kms on awful roads with awful bicycles, tires on their back, and a bag.

Around 1980, they rode 250 kms with 4 high mountains to climb.

Now they ride 150 kms with only two high mountains to climb.

It looks awfully less difficult.

BUT they do it far far far quicker ... hence their need for a greatly better physical preparation ... and the need for doping.

As an cyclist says, it's les tiring when there are 4 mountains to climb, because in the first mountains, cyclists ride slowly to prepare for the next ones. When there are only two of them, there are attacks from the first one.

As for track and field, it's well-known that it's very very hard to run 400 m and 800 m, esp 400 m, because it takes everything from your legs.

Well prepared athlets can run a marathon every 2 days, I guess ... but at a slow speed, not the maximum speed they will use during a real race. At a maximum speed yes they can only run several ones in a year.

What was special about the AO final was that it was very intense physically, and that Djokovic had already played a very long and intense match 2 days before. Hence my suspicions because as Vajda said, I never expected he would finish the match like that.

And I didn't have the impression that they were so bad during the trophy ceremony.

ssin
02-14-2012, 10:22 AM
playing 6 hours of top tennis is harder, no doubt. What we saw was an extraordinary display of endurance, mental and physical strength. When you run, at least you can relax mentally. If we talk only about strain on the body, again 6 hours of top tennis > marathon. My assessment is that it equals 1.5 marathons. It takes just above 2 hours for a top runner to finish marathon.

Gagsquet
02-14-2012, 10:48 AM
dumb question. Depends how fast you run the marathon and how good is your opponent during the tennis match.

buzz
02-14-2012, 11:09 AM
I think playing a 6 hour match with all the breaks where you can drink and eat and rest a little is a lot healthier than running a marathon in just above 2 hours. Those marathon guys need a lot longer to get back in to shape.

Is it more impressive? For me it's equally impressive, 1 guy is just fitter than his competition.

MaxPower
02-14-2012, 11:57 AM
Taking 30sec+ between points + the other breaks and 6 hours of tennis isn't that impressive. Only way you would cramp is if you push yourself too hard. Mentally you could stay quite fresh with all the rest and if you refuel some and drink enough the body should hold up good as well.

Marathon is harder but there are other great endurance challenges too. If you want a real challenge what about the 90km cross country ski race every year in Sweden called Vasaloppet. Now that's a killer and not only your legs go but your arms as well. Or a triathlon.

Point is endurance wise tennis holds nothing on marathons and other "no-rest" challenges. In tennis you can always get that lactic acid away if you need to. Good luck with that in a marathon where you can never stop and rest (if professional)

Deathless Mortal
02-14-2012, 03:50 PM
playing 6 hours of top tennis is harder, no doubt. What we saw was an extraordinary display of endurance, mental and physical strength. When you run, at least you can relax mentally. If we talk only about strain on the body, again 6 hours of top tennis > marathon. My assessment is that it equals 1.5 marathons. It takes just above 2 hours for a top runner to finish marathon.

Yes, but that's 2 hours of constant, exhausting running. 6 hours of a tennis match is a lot less hours of tennis. Plus you even get a chance to get some rest and recuperate after every 2 games, and some players (:p) take a lot of time between the points to get more energy.

Dougie
02-14-2012, 03:56 PM
There is no definitive answer. It depends on what kind of marathon you run ( whether you go for a record time or just jog), or what kind of match the 6-hour battle is. And of course, what is the athletes conditioning like to begin with.

Deathless Mortal
02-14-2012, 03:58 PM
There is no definitive answer. It depends on what kind of marathon you run ( whether you go for a record time or just jog), or what kind of match the 6-hour battle is. And of course, what is the athletes conditioning like to begin with.

Djokovic-Nadal AO final vs World record marathon-man contender

1stserveace
02-14-2012, 04:31 PM
Ok maybe I'm biased since tennis is my sport and the question is a little ambiguous.

Whatever the answer my point was most people do not give tennis the respect it deserves. Most people that play tennis do not play at a high enough level to feel what it's like to hit a 30 ball rally. I'm sure many people on this forum don't know what it feels like to hit a ball 30 or 40 times as hard as you can just to win 1 point! Let me tell you, it's fricken hard!

The majority of people you see playing hit the ball 3 or 4 times then an error occurs and the point ends. This, I agree, takes much less effort then running 3 or 4 miles for example.
Also anyone can run and push themselves to their limit. Whatever their level they will get tired because running takes no skill, just run.
In tennis that is impossible because unless your good enough to hit the ball more then 10 times in a rally you won't feel whats its like to get pushed and pulled for 5 hours...for the record I've never played 5 hours, 3 was my max and I was dead after!

We will never know the answer to this question but I was happy when my "non-tennis Fan" friends were texting me at 7am (west coast) going "did you see that match! Amazing!"..people were talking about it for days.
I knew tennis just got a very needed boost and hopefully gained some new fans.

r2473
02-14-2012, 04:37 PM
Djokovic-Nadal AO final vs World record marathon-man contender

If the question is which of these two is more physically demanding, the answer is the marathon.

Which is "harder"? Well, few people in history have trained up to either of these levels in either sport, so I'd say they are both pretty hard. Impossible levels in fact for all but a gifted, hard working few.

Sapeod
02-14-2012, 04:55 PM
A marathon is obviously harder :lol: Nadal and Djokovic's crappy match didn't need anywhere near the physical demands that a marathon requires.

kyleskywalker007
02-14-2012, 05:02 PM
Funny no one has mentioned it yet, but the most important thing here is that a marathon is an aerobic excercise, while tennis is definetely an anaerobic one.
Aerobic excercises allow for more rhythm and it is a medium-sized effort through a long period of time.
Anaerobic excercises on the other hand require a series of tougher efforts over a short period of time.

It it is to be noted that, say, 2 hours of anaerobic excercises is way harder than 2 hours of aerobic ones. I wouldn´t know what the effort ratio is for each but there´s no doubt that ,pund by pund, anaerobic is tougher.

For instance, 100 meters of track race (speeding), which is an anaerobic excercise, requires much more energy than 100 meters in a maraton.

FedvsNole
02-14-2012, 05:16 PM
THis is a portion of one of my blog posts which I can't mention on here but wanted some opinions from this forum. What do you think?

I have always said that tennis does not get the respect it deserves for being one of the most physically demanding professional sports one can play. Thankfully our sport has finals like the one we had last week at the Australian Open that went 6 hours and 5 sets. This final definitely changed a few minds about the demands of men's pro tennis and hopefully gained a few new fans at the same time.

But lets analyze this, what other sport puts 2 men through such agony that they can't stand through the trophy presentation? Boxing or MMA? OK I'll give you that one, although Nadal's forehand might feel like a punch in the face.

But seriously, running a marathon? The pro's run those in their sleep... barefoot! Marathons have a starting point and finish line. The runners are not reacting to the actions of another, their fate is in their hands, or feet if you will.

But lets take a marathon as an example. 26.2 miles run by a pro in about 2 hours.

Nadal and Djokovic had run 29 miles combined at 2-2 in the 5th set. This means by the end of the match each player would have run approx. 16 miles. Yes that's 16 miles of side to side sprints while at the same time stopping to hit a ball traveling at 70MPH and kicking off the court like and angry donkey.

Keep in mind each player had run approximitly 13 miles just 2 nights before in their prior matches. Hard to determine the exact distance but using some basic math I estimate in the 7 matches needed to win a major, the finalist will run over 60 miles in the 2 week event. Impressive at every level. I'm not trying to get people to like tennis just respect it.


Your an idiot. Go back and look at the damn stat. That's how much they had run for the entire tournament including and up to at 2-2 in the 5th set. This isn't even a debate. So in 7 matches at least till 2-2 in the fifth set of the final:

Total tournamnet distance run
1. Djokovic : 15.79
2. Nadal: 13.83

Here's a picture with the stat from the match in question: http://www.quora.com/How-many-km-miles-did-Nadal-or-Djokovic-run-during-the-Australian-Open-Final

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green25814
02-14-2012, 05:17 PM
Yeah, depends on how hard you run the marathon and what type of tennis match you are playing.

Jamoz
02-14-2012, 05:24 PM
Marathon in top level easily, the speed they run is amazing. And how tough is marathon? It's so tough that runners shit in their pants occasionally(and i'm not kidding)

Dougie
02-14-2012, 06:00 PM
Djokovic-Nadal AO final vs World record marathon-man contender

And how do you compare these two? The marathon runner will never know how tough the other accomplishment is, and vice versa. We can only speculate.

Branimir
02-14-2012, 06:03 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/02/05/marathon.record.engels.365/index.html

That's how hard is to run a marathon.

But what are we asking here? What is harder in calories burned per hour? Total calories burned? Mental fatigue?

wally1
02-14-2012, 08:05 PM
Marathon in top level easily, the speed they run is amazing. And how tough is marathon? It's so tough that runners shit in their pants occasionally(and i'm not kidding)True, jogging a marathon (as the vast majority of people who run one do) is hard enough, but I've seen the leaders running in the London marathon a few times - they speed they go to complete one in around 2 hrs is staggering.

ssin
02-14-2012, 10:25 PM
Yes, but that's 2 hours of constant, exhausting running. 6 hours of a tennis match is a lot less hours of tennis. Plus you even get a chance to get some rest and recuperate after every 2 games, and some players (:p) take a lot of time between the points to get more energy.

I have watched marathons, watched tennis matches, ran longer tracks (not a marathon though) and played some tennis. I'm into swimming as well. You may be right generally, but if we talk about that particular match it was more exhausting and demanding then any marathon, imo. when you run, you set your own pace and breathing, you can also drink water and refresh, you can clear your mind, only thing to think about is how to preserve and distribute energy. In top tennis game you must do the same but beside that you are constantly on alert, you have a real opponent in front of you, your concentration must be high throughout the match, you have to anticipate a lot and you move in 3D, your shoulders and joints are under much more strain. You can prepare for that but not in the way you can prepare to run marathon. That thing we saw was harder than a marathon, but that's just my opinion. Anyway, in order to really compare things we should translate them into something comparable first.

Asadinator
02-14-2012, 11:24 PM
The fact that tennis players must be both talented and fit, you would think that they cannot be as fit as the sport which only requires you to be fit.

Hence marathon.

2003
02-15-2012, 03:54 AM
Djokovic and Nadal only ran about 5-5.5KM each in that final.

Mind you a lot of that is sprinting.

BUT;

it's over a 6 hour period.

Dont be demeaning here, Marathon at the top level is just...insane.

Those Kenyans been running 160KM a WEEK since they about 5 years old. Barefoot in the hills of Kenya and Africa.

Those guys are so gaunt. They have no bodyfat. They are about 55KG ringing wet at the most. Most tennis players top 4 are over 80-85KGs.

Dont be a freaking dickwad.

Marathoners are 10X more fit. Pro ones anyway.

Even 1500M runners are 10X more fit.

Its not even close.

Snoo Foo
02-15-2012, 04:08 AM
Your an idiot.

this

SaFed2005
02-15-2012, 04:15 AM
Just imagine Djokovic and Nadal running a marathon. Would they finish it? Sure. After a few days. Why? Because of toweling off after every few meters, taking injury time-outs and resting every now and again.

LOL :devil:

duong
02-15-2012, 07:12 AM
It's two very different efforts, it's impossible to compare.

I don't think anybody here underrates the effort in AO final because people usually have practiced tennis in competition. How many here have practiced marathon in competition and with a real will to achieve a great performance ? Only these people could say, I guess.

I have a colleague who runs marathons in competition and tries to improve by one minute over 3 hours comparing to his previous performance : I guess he knows about marathon effort. But he doesn't know about tennis effort as a competitor unfortunately.

But the only fact that this thread exists makes me think again that when people talk about a tennis match so much from the physical point of view and about how extreme it is,

all of the arguments about "tennis being a technical sport different from cycling and track and field sports" then with a lesser need for an anti-doping check,

are completely non-sense now. These arguments were only worth maybe before the 60s.

Tennis needs to be checked for doping as much as these sports, which is not at all the case now.

Alex999
02-15-2012, 08:40 AM
interesting thread... tennis is much tougher than running. when you play your opponent you have to think about every point....and yeah, you have to run too. INHO, tennis is the most beautiful sport in the world. w

lol at a guy who said that Nadal and Nole would need a towel after every few meters if they would be running marathon. too funny.

2003
02-15-2012, 08:51 AM
This is just plain stupidity.

Is anyone in this thread seriously trying to suggest our tennis top four are as fit as the top four Marathoners in this world?

Okay, too fucking funny.

Let me give you a lesson.

Guys like Halle Gebresellise, guys like Paul Tergat.

These guys are no more than 50KG RINGING WET.

The run 200KM a week in training. Some of them more.

Lasse Viren, the greatest 10 000 metre runner ever, was all prick and ribs. You take the shirts off these guys, there is nothing there. They have no bodyfat. They are aerobic machines. All the do is run.

They are at least 10X fitter than tennis players. Guaranteed easily.

People used to say this shit about Lance Armstrong (who is also 10x fitter than tennis top four). Say oh he could run a 2 hour 6 marathon easy. What happened? He barely broke 3 hours.

Show some damn respect. Tennis players dont own everything.

Its the same for milers too. 10 000 metre runners. 5000M runners. Even 800 and 1500M runners. They train largely the same.

They are fitness machines, and are 10x fitter than tennis players could ever hope to be.

They run the equivillent of at least 4 Marathons a week in training.

And hey, a rest day for them is 2 runs instead of 3. Many have to actually sleep multiple times a day just to get 3 runs in.

Running a marathon aint so tough.

Racing one is. And thats what you people are forgetting.

So please, dont insult other sports with this rubbish.

2003
02-15-2012, 08:59 AM
Get it? These guys dont get a day off. Ever. Except when they injured, though they hit the pool and bike then.

Djokovic covered 5.5KM in 6 hours in the final of AO.

Mostly a mix of sprinting and jogging.

Marathoners tapering off period included a lot of anerobic drills.

One in particular is a sharpening exercise a lot of middle distance runners do. Where they sprint-run-sprint-run for 50M on 50M off a 5km run.

Lasse Viren used to do 5KM sprinting and running sprinting and running;

in just over 13 minutes.

Anyone know the 5KM record is less than 13 freaking minutes? Its 12 minutres 45 seconds!

Thats pretty much sprinting all the way. Well as fast as we sprint!

These guys can do 400M in under 48 seconds. Easilly.

The top 5000M runners are all going at least 13 minute 5K. These hundreds of them that can run under 14 minutes. Thousands worlwide actually.

Sorry to inject a bit of common sense forcefully here.

Djokovic did 5.3KM in 6 hours.

Lasse Viren sprinted and fast ran it regularly with no breaks, in less than 14 minutes.

Think about that one.

2003
02-15-2012, 09:04 AM
Andy Murray has even said himself that how he got fit was doing track running drills.

He said the tennis felt easier than the track drills.

Guess what, all pro runners do those. Even Marathoners. You have to be very fast to be a world class marathoner.

200-400M repeats. Two hours of those drills are far tougher than any tennis match ever played. Its just a fact.

2003
02-15-2012, 09:47 AM
5-6 years ago I was very into running.

I wasnt good enough to be national class, but I knew a lot of guys who were, and trust me when I say this, I know at least 200 Runners in my country alone that are without a doubt fitter than Nadal, Djoko Fed or Murray. They are on a whole other planet.

People need to remember, from 1500 to Marathon, they train largely the same. Its only the sharpening thats different, the quantity of speed work.

They dont give a damn about finishing a Marathon. Most of these guys sunday long run every week is actually longer than a Marathon, sometimes 50KM+.

They are trying to "race" the marathon. Thats the key difference.

To the person who said lots of people who do marathons couldnt finish 5 sets in 6 hours, they COULD if the level of the person playing them was relative to them.

Thats just runners. Top cyclists, rowers, touch rugby players, and even swimmers are no doubt fitter than top tennis players. Without a doubt most players on every national field hockey team would be too. And footballers. The play moves so fast, they do not get rest at all. At all. One halftime and thats it. Truth be told there are thousands of athletes around the world "fitter" than our tennis top 10.

The key to remember is the race isnt really that hard. Its the training thats harder. A lot of Kayakers I knew who were not even world class used to just come home and pass out at times. Every ounce of energy they had went into training.

MariaV
02-15-2012, 09:57 AM
OK have you finshed now 2003? Thanks. :D

duong
02-15-2012, 10:04 AM
OK have you finshed now 2003? Thanks. :D

at least he gave some informations from somebody who really knows what marathon is about ;)

That was interesting, most of us know tennis but many of us don't know about that :)

ssin
02-15-2012, 10:06 AM
@2003 the question is: what is harder? How many people have finished marathon successfully, achieving great times? How many people did on the tennis court what we saw? I had never seen something similar. When I watch marathon I don't fear that runners will completely destroy themselves. That match - I wanted it to stop before someone gets really hurt. Who is fitter - that should be another question, still I would guess Novak and Rafa are fit enough to be compared to other top athletes in the world right now.

Felipe Abe
02-15-2012, 10:08 AM
I think playing 5 sets over 6 hours its harder cause it envolves mental not only physical

Jamoz
02-15-2012, 10:20 AM
There is fit and FIT. Novak and Rafa are fit no doubt. But if you compare their fitness for top runners, they are just average joe's. Also it's huge insult to compare these guys for runners who RUN ALL THE FUCKING TIME during marathon.

How many hours they actually played during that match? There was more time wasting and sitting in chairs than tennis in that match :D Runners can't sit in chairs and walk from time to time, they have to run all the time! and that speed they keep up is amazing.

Roamed
02-15-2012, 11:33 AM
A marathon, no question. In a marathon you pretty much have to focus on yourself, there are no breaks, no pauses, just you and the road in front of you and I imagine you'd come to doubt yourself so much more. In tennis you can just focus on winning the next point and taking a breather at the next changeover.

Asadinator
02-15-2012, 12:27 PM
I think playing 5 sets over 6 hours its harder cause it envolves mental not only physical

Don't be a pussy. These players are pros, they're not going to collapse because they might start losing after a long match :crying2: :rolleyes:

Next time you run a long distance, just feel what's it like to have your heart pounding out of your chest and struggling to breath. Don't you feel like the marathon runners might question the point of the whole running thing and life altogether as the sun beats down on their heads?

Marathons and such require the most mental strength if anything. You have to put your life on the line.

Mongoose
02-15-2012, 03:57 PM
it depends how fast you run it

i could lollygag a marathon at 8:00 mile pace in my sleep and it would be way easier than a 6 hour tennis match. But going all out and running a marathon in 3 hours would be harder than spending 30 seconds in between points and playing tennis for six hours.

bouncer7
02-15-2012, 04:43 PM
https://p.twimg.com/AkWPxFTCMAAZN-q.jpg

does any marathon man has holes in his shoes and blood on socks.guess no.
But its not that marathon is so easy, probably harder than 99,9% of tennis matches


but if we compare it would be:

Djodal >>>> Marathon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> random tennis match >>>>>> Fedal :wavey:

MariaV
02-15-2012, 05:04 PM
Thats just runners. Top cyclists, rowers, touch rugby players, and even swimmers are no doubt fitter than top tennis players. Without a doubt most players on every national field hockey team would be too. And footballers. The play moves so fast, they do not get rest at all. At all. One halftime and thats it. Truth be told there are thousands of athletes around the world "fitter" than our tennis top 10.

The key to remember is the race isnt really that hard. Its the training thats harder. A lot of Kayakers I knew who were not even world class used to just come home and pass out at times. Every ounce of energy they had went into training.

I doubt that. Tennis players are among the most versatile athletes, needing both speed and endurance, explosive speed starting and stopping movement all the time, it's so much different that running a marathon at equal pace all the time, plus the technical and mental part of the game.
Football players, LMFAO, field hockey. :superlol: The players stand on the pitch quite a lot, not willing to move their arses. :D

Deathless Mortal
02-15-2012, 05:07 PM
https://p.twimg.com/AkWPxFTCMAAZN-q.jpg

does any marathon man has holes in his shoes and blood on socks.guess no.
But its not that marathon is so easy, probably harder than 99,9% of tennis matches


but if we compare it would be:

Djodal >>>> Marathon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> random tennis match >>>>>> Fedal :wavey:

Only because you haven't seen a picture of a bloody sock of any marathon man, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen :silly:

Clydey
02-15-2012, 07:54 PM
Obviously a marathon.

Dougie
02-15-2012, 08:01 PM
does any marathon man has holes in his shoes and blood on socks.guess no.
But its not that marathon is so easy, probably harder than 99,9% of tennis matches


but if we compare it would be:

Djodal >>>> Marathon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> random tennis match >>>>>> Fedal :wavey:

Blood on sokcs is mild. Some marathon runners have in their urine after a hard run.

2003
02-15-2012, 09:31 PM
I doubt that. Tennis players are among the most versatile athletes, needing both speed and endurance, explosive speed starting and stopping movement all the time, it's so much different that running a marathon at equal pace all the time, plus the technical and mental part of the game.
Football players, LMFAO, field hockey. :superlol: The players stand on the pitch quite a lot, not willing to move their arses. :D

It depends on your definition of fit.

To me fit means your aerobic and anerobic capacity.

In other words something like comparing your V02 Max.

The runners and cyclists vo2 max would be vastly superior to Tennis players.

Lance Armstrong, and a few runners have actually completed the beep test. I guarantee no pro tennis players would get close, even though its more suited to them.

And yes, world class Field Hocky players are easilly as fit and probably fitter than our tennis top 10. Easilly.

I play competitive hockey. There is NO breaks. None at all, and matches are played in the space of 1 or 2 days. The only break you get is half time. There is no chance during regular play to catch much of a breath like you get in tennis.

You also dont see any GUTS at all.

In the tennis top 100 theres some players carrying a lot of extra baggage.

2003
02-15-2012, 09:36 PM
@2003 the question is: what is harder? How many people have finished marathon successfully, achieving great times? How many people did on the tennis court what we saw? I had never seen something similar. When I watch marathon I don't fear that runners will completely destroy themselves. That match - I wanted it to stop before someone gets really hurt. Who is fitter - that should be another question, still I would guess Novak and Rafa are fit enough to be compared to other top athletes in the world right now.

Thats more because tennis requries much more skill and tallent than running.

In other words, to be a great runner you need great genetics. You need good speed and good running form, and you drill those somewhat.

But the rest of it is pretty much JUST FITNESS.

Anyone can run a marathon in a good time if they dedicate themselves to it.

No matter how hard 98% of people tried, they could never emulate what Djokdal did because, they wouldnt be able to get the balls back in play no matter how fit they are :wavey:

2003
02-15-2012, 09:39 PM
And for the record, the recent 2011 outdoor field hockey world cup was played in my hometown at the same stadium as the social league I play in, I checked out a lot of the games.

You want to see what fit is, check those guys out.

Field is the same size as a football field and its 11 on 11. Its just all running the whole time, and the game moves incredibly fast.

Also, the Australian Rules AFL players are also insanely fit. They cover plenty more milage in their games then tennis players do, most of it very fast running or sprinting.

stewietennis
02-15-2012, 10:02 PM
Get it? These guys dont get a day off. Ever. Except when they injured, though they hit the pool and bike then.

Djokovic covered 5.5KM in 6 hours in the final of AO.

Mostly a mix of sprinting and jogging.

Marathoners tapering off period included a lot of anerobic drills.

One in particular is a sharpening exercise a lot of middle distance runners do. Where they sprint-run-sprint-run for 50M on 50M off a 5km run.

Lasse Viren used to do 5KM sprinting and running sprinting and running;

in just over 13 minutes.

Anyone know the 5KM record is less than 13 freaking minutes? Its 12 minutres 45 seconds!

Thats pretty much sprinting all the way. Well as fast as we sprint!

These guys can do 400M in under 48 seconds. Easilly.

The top 5000M runners are all going at least 13 minute 5K. These hundreds of them that can run under 14 minutes. Thousands worlwide actually.

Sorry to inject a bit of common sense forcefully here.

Djokovic did 5.3KM in 6 hours.

Lasse Viren sprinted and fast ran it regularly with no breaks, in less than 14 minutes.

Think about that one.

Just no. No one "easily" runs 400m in 48 seconds. Sprinter Michael Johnson took over 43 seconds (with exertion) to run 400m in the Olympics. If your aforementioned guys can run it "easily" in 48 seconds, they would all be sprint record holders.

Endurance =/= Fitter. Is a marathon runner then fitter than a boxer, sprinter, gymnast or basketball player? How do you define fitness? Endurance plays a part. As does strength, stamina, speed, agility and dexterity. I tell you, put Gebresellise next to Pacquiao and more people will say Manny is the fitter of the two because he ticks more of the boxes that define fitness. Tennis players are closer to basketball players in terms of fitness (short bursts of speed, direction change, agility, aiming, reacting immediately to changes in play, breaks – when fouled and half time)

Pit a marathon runner against Djokovic in a 100m sprint and see who's faster. Pit a marathon runner against Nadal in a wrestling match and see who wins. Pit a marathon runner against Federer in a random sport like basketball, baseball, swimming or skeet shooting and see who does better. Pit a marathon runner against Murray in a cross country run; we all know who will win. Marathon runners do one thing well at the expense of all other attributes. Archers do the same. Weightlifters do the same. Would you say weightlifters are fitter than tennis players?

Sham Kay
02-15-2012, 11:47 PM
This would be a closer call had the question been, "whats harder, winning a professional marathon or playing 5 sets over 6 hours?" In which case winning a marathon would most likely be harder.

Seeing as success isn't being questioned here, you could have a nice jog over the length of the marathon, something many of us have probably done. Taking on a top professional tennis player in a 5 set match? Get bent. Even in the minuscule likelihood that you're good enough to compete, a 5 sets match is tough enough with the constant running, changes of direction, skills, technical ability required, mental concentration, battling against the toughest of opposition (it's more or less in your control in a marathon, though the mind does need to be strong).

Then you can consider the fitness and stamina necessary.. adding all these aspects together even a 4 or 5 hour 5 set match is far tougher than a marathon - something ordinary folk regularly take on.

2003
02-16-2012, 12:08 AM
Pit a marathon runner against Djokovic in a 100m sprint and see who's faster.

Might be closer than youd think.

And your right, 48-49 seconds 400M "easilly" is an exageration.

But remember, in 400M, the diff between 43 seconds and 49 is like light and day.

In the longer track races the are doing laps around 50-52 seconds, so one rep of 49 seconds isnt that tough for them.

Alex999
02-16-2012, 02:03 AM
guys, I can't even believe we talk about this stuff. tennis is so much more complicated and sophisticated. I respect marathon players but please... what are we talking about here? Can Nole and Nadal be great marathon players? lol

indianabones
02-16-2012, 08:17 AM
I haven't played tennis in my life, have played some squash and I do feel some cramp in my arm after about 10 mins. Given how hard these guys were hitting ball well after 5 sets, I cannot begin to imagine how fit they are and how demanding the contest was on their stamina and endurance.

I would much rather run a marathon, even if took me over 4 hours, than to play tennis for 6 hours because of the amount of energy you'd have to put into practically every shot from the baseline.

I said this to my brother when we were watching the AO final, I think we were watching not only a contest between the top 2 in Tennis, but we were watching a contest in my opinion between to two most athletic and fit men on earth.

Action Jackson
02-16-2012, 08:46 AM
Cross country skiing is harder than tennis, and yes marathons are harder than tennis. The ball was not in play for the whole length of the match, not like marathon runners can have breaks, taking a minute in between points, sit down for 90 sec and run again.

2003
02-16-2012, 09:21 AM
I haven't played tennis in my life, have played some squash and I do feel some cramp in my arm after about 10 mins. Given how hard these guys were hitting ball well after 5 sets, I cannot begin to imagine how fit they are and how demanding the contest was on their stamina and endurance.

I would much rather run a marathon, even if took me over 4 hours, than to play tennis for 6 hours because of the amount of energy you'd have to put into practically every shot from the baseline.

I said this to my brother when we were watching the AO final, I think we were watching not only a contest between the top 2 in Tennis, but we were watching a contest in my opinion between to two most athletic and fit men on earth.

Hahaha.
Just;

Hahahaha.

MM_1257
02-16-2012, 03:02 PM
Cross country skiing, biathlon, skiing, and yes marathon are way more difficult for the body and waterpolo, too. But ok, skiing and waterpolo are time limited. Bloody socks? Marathon runners have them too, and caluses, and urine and feces in their pants sometimes, sometimes they also vomit... And it is funny how we all drool over the 6h play in AO, how about Isner Mahut on the 2nd day of their match at Wimby?? oh wait, they served better so they didn't run that much. ok.. the amount of time on court is still there.

Mystique
02-16-2012, 03:14 PM
Just imagine Djokovic and Nadal running a marathon. Would they finish it? Sure. After a few days. Why? Because of toweling off after every few meters, taking injury time-outs and resting every now and again.

+1 This.

2003
02-16-2012, 06:48 PM
Its also Marathon.

Im aware of the fact marathoners taper off about a week before their big race, but generally they train all year round. Note, theyre still running every day, just not as hard.

Yet the funny thing is, the ones who have a marathon at the end of the year dont get tired toward that part of the year like some tennis players strangely go missing for the last 3 months of the year at WTF time. That also proves they're fitter.

But in terms of their long run, most of the serious ones do a long run longer than the actual marathon every weekend.

And when I say long run, its not an easy long run, its a steady pace, somewhere about 10% below race speed.

Guess what, they probably did a 16 mile run the day before. They didnt get 2 days to rest and prepare for it.

This is part of the reason I created the thread I did about how can players be stiff and tired after 2 days rest, and people laughed at me.

Yet the same people are trying to tell me that tennis players are fitter than or as fit as runners, yet runners can be fresh the next day after 26 mile long runs. Let alone 2 days.

2003
02-16-2012, 06:53 PM
Cross country skiing is harder than tennis, and yes marathons are harder than tennis. The ball was not in play for the whole length of the match, not like marathon runners can have breaks, taking a minute in between points, sit down for 90 sec and run again.

I reckon. This is what people dont understand.

I remember when I started running, over eager as I might have been, I didnt ease my way into it, I insisted on doing 10 mile runs at steady speed.

Of coruse, gallant as I was, I couldnt do it without resting.

Taking 5-6 90 second sit down rests, and the odd walk break, say 8 of those, makes it infinately easier.

People here also dont understand the hitting the wall that happens somewhere in the second half of the marathon. In terms of the mental strenth needed to "race" those things let alone complete them.

I have seen people in tears, ive seen people throwing up, ive seen people doing the strangest limping I have ever seen after those events.

Havent seen that too much on a tennis court. Well not crying for that reason.

Mateya
02-16-2012, 07:53 PM
Nothing can compare to steaming three hours with Seppi.

:angel:

heya
02-16-2012, 08:16 PM
federer wouldn't have the faintest idea. he'd need to be paid to pose for photos with champions.

stewietennis
02-16-2012, 08:31 PM
I have seen people in tears, ive seen people throwing up, ive seen people doing the strangest limping I have ever seen after those events.

Havent seen that too much on a tennis court. Well not crying for that reason.

If you judge it by throwing up and limping after events then rugby players, 100m sprinters, greco roman wrestlers and gymnasts must not be very fit either. :confused:

2003
02-16-2012, 09:21 PM
we were watching a contest in my opinion between to two most athletic and fit men on earth.

They arent even the most athletic or fit men in their own sport mate.

Athletic would probably be Monfills.

And fit, well, I still think Federer and Murray and Hewitt and Roddick are the most fit.

They dont waste as much time between points and are always eager to get on with the serve as quickly as possible.

And how could I forget Ferrer. That guy is just a fitness machine.

heya
02-16-2012, 09:30 PM
They arent even the most athletic or fit men in their own sport mate.

Athletic would probably be Monfills.

And fit, well, I still think Federer and Murray and Hewitt and Roddick are the most fit.

They dont waste as much time between points and are always eager to get on with the serve as quickly as possible.

a sweaty mess and invariably injured guy is not in the fittest category.

BigJohn
02-17-2012, 01:44 AM
Hats off to the mares.

http://allinbetween.webs.com/AQH.jpg

BigJohn
02-17-2012, 01:50 AM
Nole would have a difficult time performing well at a marathon. How would he translate his skills (faking, cheating, bouncing) to the event. Plus, his secret weapon (injury time-out) would be a disadvantage. Wasting time would not help him win.

As far as Nadal is concerned, he would have to have his underwear surgically removed from his crack afterwards. Plus the bottle ritual would be difficult to manage.

I would not put my money on either of them.

munZe konZa
02-17-2012, 03:17 AM
Would Federer run only with one hand because it's more elegant?
Do late matches cut into his love time with Mirka?

BigJohn
02-17-2012, 04:13 AM
:inlove:

:semi:

:o

2003
02-17-2012, 04:19 AM
Fedal and Djoko Murray would be beyond Shit at the Marathon. Beyond shit.

Even Lance Armstrong only got a notch under 3 hours. And that was with a lot of training.

People were saying "oh he would run 2:06".

Sure, at his peak, he would have done better.

Id be amazed if any tennis player got under 3:30 for the marathon without any significant training.

2003
02-17-2012, 04:21 AM
They wouldnt be able to finish it, they would end up going out too fast and walking a lot of it.

It doesnt matter how fit you are, nothing can compare your body for running 42.2km. Even if you were relatively fit heading into 25KM, it would very soon change, and those last 17KM will feel like double that.

2003
02-17-2012, 04:23 AM
They are also, very, very heavy for Distance runners.

As I said, most of the worlds elite Marathoners are not over 60KGS.

Infact some of them barely tip 50Kgs in their running gear.

Those extra kilos really would be a burden on the legs. A big burdon. Anything over 250 Metres watch them collapse.

BigJohn
02-17-2012, 04:31 AM
I'd love it if Nole stopped tennis and started training for marethons.

It's a natural fit. He should consider it.

heya
02-17-2012, 02:22 PM
only dummies think poor rogi can outlast and outwit injured marathon men.

Branimir
02-17-2012, 03:44 PM
2003,

Please tell us more about marathon, fitness, Lance Armstrong and how tennis players are not even close as fit as the best runners. I have a feeling you left something out.

Edda
02-18-2012, 01:22 AM
I know Ferru's coach, Javier Piles, is a marathon runner.

I would think both would be hard in their own way. I know I couldn't do either one.