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Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?

Sri
02-12-2012, 01:33 PM
Or the question rephrased - who was more impressive vs. Nole - Murray or Nadal?

samanosuke
02-12-2012, 01:36 PM
eating the dust is always more impressive

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 01:36 PM
He wouldn't have stood a chance.

Nadal with his bitch in slams, in a slam final against a known slam final choker, after realizing Djokovic is gone and the path to a slam is clear.

6-2 6-4 6-4 max.

Sri
02-12-2012, 01:37 PM
Murray was supposed to be Novak's b!tch too. Look what happened!

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:37 PM
No.

samanosuke
02-12-2012, 01:38 PM
6-2 6-4 6-4 max.

these days with nadal max easily becomes min

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:40 PM
Well not really....not against Murray in a slam. Rafa at 10% capacity in the SF of USO last year, almost blew Murray to bits.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 01:40 PM
Murray was supposed to be Novak's b!tch too. Look what happened!

Rafa's game is a much bigger problem for Murray than Djokovic's is. And the mental stranglehold Nadal has on Murray in slams is much bigger than Djokovic has.

With Novak, Murray actually thinks he can beat him. With Nadal, not so much.

Clydey
02-12-2012, 01:47 PM
Rafa's game is a much bigger problem for Murray than Djokovic's is. And the mental stranglehold Nadal has on Murray in slams is much bigger than Djokovic has.

With Novak, Murray actually thinks he can beat him. With Nadal, not so much.

That explains why he has beaten Nadal twice in majors, I guess.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:48 PM
That explains why he has beaten Nadal twice in majors, I guess.

That's because Nadal was tired (2008) and injured (2010) ;).

BauerAlmeida
02-12-2012, 01:56 PM
Nadal would have won easily. Probably in straight sets.

Vida
02-12-2012, 01:57 PM
doubt it. its a slam final vs nadal, not a place to overcome whatever technical, metal or physical things that are preventing him from winning slams.

rocketassist
02-12-2012, 02:02 PM
That's because Nadal was tired (2008) and injured (2010) ;).

Yeah k. :haha:

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 02:03 PM
That explains why he has beaten Nadal twice in majors, I guess.

That was yeaaars ago, Nadal is a much, much better hardcourt player now. And Murray, well, he's gotten worse :help:

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 02:04 PM
Yeah k. :haha:

Well, it's the truth.... he was tired and injured :shrug:.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 02:05 PM
That was yeaaars ago, Nadal is a much, much better hardcourt player now. And Murray, well, he's gotten worse :help:

Not really, if Rafa wasn't hindered by fatigue in USO'08, and hadn't been slumping during AO'10 -- he would have kicked his ass the same (whether or not Murray has improved his game).

rocketassist
02-12-2012, 02:28 PM
Not really, if Rafa wasn't hindered by fatigue in USO'08, and hadn't been slumping during AO'10 -- he would have kicked his ass the same (whether or not Murray has improved his game).

USO 08 was a completely fair win, quit it with that shit.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 02:31 PM
USO 08 was a completely fair win, quit it with that shit.

He was tired though seriously, you noobs can't admit that. Murray lucked his way to the final in US Open 2008.....but I think he earned his runs to the finals in AO 10 and 11.

Chirag
02-12-2012, 02:32 PM
Until otherwise I take any top 10 opponent over Murray in a slam final .So no he wouldnt win ,might fluke a set out though

Chirag
02-12-2012, 02:33 PM
Not really, if Rafa wasn't hindered by fatigue in USO'08, and hadn't been slumping during AO'10 -- he would have kicked his ass the same (whether or not Murray has improved his game).

oh cmon Nadal got injured at the start of set 3 .He got his ass handed in sets 1 and 2 .That match would have been won regardless since Murray did take the first 2 sets when Nadal wasnt injured

MuzzahLovah
02-12-2012, 02:35 PM
Well, it's the truth.... he was tired and injured :shrug:.

:haha: Nadal has never lost a match healthy! :haha:

rocketassist
02-12-2012, 02:35 PM
He was tired though seriously, you noobs can't admit that. Murray lucked his way to the final in US Open 2008.....but I think he earned his runs to the finals in AO 10 and 11.

In the penultimate point when he got battered all over the court he did look totally out of breath, but besides that, he was fine. Get over it.

A more key factor was the first two sets being on the much faster Armstrong court which favoured Andy.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 02:36 PM
oh cmon Nadal got injured at the start of set 3 .He got his ass handed in sets 1 and 2 .That match would have been won regardless since Murray did take the first 2 sets when Nadal wasnt injured

Dude I was talking about Rafa's slump, not his injury -- I know that wasn't the reason why he lost overall. But like I said, I think Murray deserved his run at the AO 2010, and even AO 2011 because he played some great tennis there.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 02:37 PM
In the penultimate point when he got battered all over the court he did look totally out of breath, but besides that, he was fine. Get over it.

A more key factor was the first two sets being on the much faster Armstrong court which favoured Andy.

Dude he was down a break in the 3rd set during Armstrong anyway, so all Rafa had to do was keeping holding serve which he did. But that's not the point. The point is, Murray won that match with a bit of luck on his side that Rafa wasn't physically 100%.

Certinfy
02-12-2012, 02:38 PM
Dude I was talking about Rafa's slump, not his injury -- I know that wasn't the reason why he lost overall. But like I said, I think Murray deserved his run at the AO 2010, and even AO 2011 because he played some great tennis there.
Murray probably played his best match ever vs Nadal at the US Open back in 2008 yet he still didn't deserve a place in the final? :confused:

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 02:38 PM
:haha: Nadal has never lost a match healthy! :haha:

Exactly, that's why he is the best :worship:

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 02:41 PM
Murray probably played his best match ever vs Nadal at the US Open back in 2008 yet he still didn't deserve a place in the final? :confused:

Jason come on man ... he almost lost to Melzer and struggled against Llodra....and del Potro had a break up in all the sets I think :facepalm:. And that was pretty obvious because he got thrashed by Fed in the final :rolleyes:. Fed did play pretty good though, but still, if Muza was in any good form there, he would have made it a bit more competitive.

Anyways I think he played better against Rafa in AO'10, because I truly think that despite Rafa struggling with his form, Murray was clearly the better player and deserved to win that. But I ain't saying he didn't deserve his SF win in US'08, just saying he needed a bit of luck to get through that one is all ;).

Certinfy
02-12-2012, 02:43 PM
Jason come on man ... he almost lost to Melzer and struggled against Llodra....and del Potro had a break up in all the sets I think :facepalm:. And that was pretty obvious because he got thrashed by Fed in the final :rolleyes:.
What's your point? Nadal struggled big time vs Isner last year at RG, does that mean he didn't deserve the title there?

If anything the points you just mention makes his run even more impressive, the fact that he was able to perform under huge amounts of pressure and dig out matches just proves that. I mean when a guy hits his fastest serve of all time at 5-5 in a TB when 2 sets to love down you can't say that isn't fucking epic.

I disagree about him playing better at the Australian Open in 2010, US Open 2008 SF Murray was Murray is God form for the most part, hardly anyone would have beaten him.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 02:45 PM
What's your point? Nadal struggled big time vs Isner last year at RG, does that mean he didn't deserve the title there?

If anything the points you just mention makes his run even more impressive, the fact that he was able to perform under huge amounts of pressure and dig out matches just proves that. I mean when a guy hits his fastest serve of all time at 5-5 in a TB when 2 sets to love down you can't say that isn't fucking epic.

I disagree about him playing better at the Australian Open in 2010, US Open 2008 SF Murray was Murray is God form for the most part, hardly anyone would have beaten him.

Fine fine....what goes around, comes around as they say don't it? ;). I lose, you guys win.

Johnny Groove
02-12-2012, 02:45 PM
No, he would have bottled it once again in a slam final.

BodyServe
02-12-2012, 02:54 PM
No, he wouldn't have recovered frome the semi, and this i'm sure. Would have lost in 4 probably.

rocketassist
02-12-2012, 03:33 PM
Dude he was down a break in the 3rd set during Armstrong anyway, so all Rafa had to do was keeping holding serve which he did. But that's not the point. The point is, Murray won that match with a bit of luck on his side that Rafa wasn't physically 100%.

Murray won that match with aggressive backhands, forehands and finishing points off. If Rafito was that tired why was he so defensive? Behave Rafatroll, you and Topspinclown should move in together and start a bromance.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 03:35 PM
Murray won that match with aggressive backhands, forehands and finishing points off. If Rafito was that tired why was he so defensive? Behave Rafatroll, you and Topspinclown should move in together and start a bromance.

I'm no Bandwagon for either Fedtards for Rafatards, cauz they're all annoying and biased just the same, just like you Muzatards. I'm sharing my opinion as honestly as possible for fucks sake, you guys don't seem to get it.

rocketassist
02-12-2012, 03:37 PM
I'm no Bandwagon for either Fedtards for Rafatards, cauz they're all annoying and biased just the same, just like you Muzatards. I'm sharing my opinion as honestly as possible for fucks sake, you guys don't seem to get it.

I'm not a tard.

Regarding Murray, I made excuses for only one GS defeat in his whole career.

Johnny Groove
02-12-2012, 03:38 PM
Nadal leads Murray 6-2 in slam matches.

1-1 at AO.
1-0 at RG.
3-0 at Wimbledon.
1-1 at USO.

This is what the numbers say. Excuses, injury, fatigue, any other bullshit excuse? Does not matter.

rocketassist
02-12-2012, 03:39 PM
Nadal leads Murray 6-2 in slam matches.

1-1 at AO.
1-0 at RG.
3-0 at Wimbledon.
1-1 at USO.

This is what the numbers say. Excuses, injury, fatigue, any other bullshit excuse? Does not matter.

Correct and all victories by either player were completely fair and legit.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 03:42 PM
Correct and all victories by either player were completely fair and legit.

Look dude let's just drop it okay. I'm not here to create enemies for fun. I want to enjoy what tennis has to ofter, and if opinions aren't cool to you, then I'm sorry, lets move on.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-12-2012, 03:46 PM
Totally pointless. He would have forced Nadal to 5 in my opinion but would have lost it.

Shinoj
02-12-2012, 03:57 PM
Quite possible.

Nole Rules
02-12-2012, 04:01 PM
Quite possible.

:lol:

How? Andy "the mental midget" Murray beats Rafael "the mental gaint and 10 GS champ" Nadal in a GS final on slow ass courts?

No way in hell that would happen, mate.

Mystique
02-12-2012, 04:03 PM
He wouldn't have stood a chance.

Nadal with his bitch in slams, in a slam final against a known slam final choker, after realizing Djokovic is gone and the path to a slam is clear.

6-2 6-4 6-4 max.

Exactly this.

Nadal would have ground anyone else down after a semi like that. Only person who could have stayed with Nadal after that kind of a match is Djokovic. Nadal has a matchup disadvantage and now even a fitness disadvantage against a Djokovic on one leg. Poor Rafito, nowhere to go:sad:

Nole Rules
02-12-2012, 04:12 PM
Exactly this.

Nadal would have ground anyone else down after a semi like that. Only person who couldnt have stayed with Nadal after that kind of a match is Djokovic. Nadal has a matchup disadvantage and now even a fitness disadvantage against a Djokovic on one leg. Poor Rafito, nowhere to go:sad:

Rafa still the fitter player imo.

I don't know how long Rafa haters/dislikers will rely on Nole to beat him in slams. :p Nole needs back up to hlep him beat Nadal in the slams (Maybe Delpo? :D). He is not a mechine after all unlike Nadal.

The good thing for Rafa is that there are more players who can upset Nole than players who can upset him in slams. Fed & Andy have bigger chances to win against Nole in all 4 slams.

Mystique
02-12-2012, 04:53 PM
Rafa still the fitter player imo.

I don't know how long Rafa haters/dislikers will rely on Nole to beat him in slams. :p Nole needs back up to hlep him beat Nadal in the slams (Maybe Delpo? :D). He is not a mechine after all unlike Nadal.

The good thing for Rafa is that there are more players who can upset Nole than players who can upset him in slams. Fed & Andy have bigger chances to win against Nole in all 4 slams.

lolwut?
Nadal of 2009 and before - SURE. The guy was a beast, he would have ground Djokovic v.2011 down too. Nadal of 2008 and early 2009 especially was at a level physically that will be hard to surpass for anyone.
However, the years are starting to catch up on Rafa now, he is visibly less fitter. Anyone who has watched tennis at least since 2006 can attest for that.

As for Rafa "dislikers" (thanks for making that diffferentiation;)) relying on Djokovic to stop him, dont worry pal. It is fun while it lasts:D

Singularity
02-12-2012, 05:21 PM
Nadal leads Murray 6-2 in slam matches.

1-1 at AO.
1-0 at RG.
3-0 at Wimbledon.
1-1 at USO.

This is what the numbers say. Excuses, injury, fatigue, any other bullshit excuse? Does not matter.
I think Nadal is just better on grass and clay. On HCs it's much closer.

swisht4u
02-12-2012, 05:45 PM
Not sure about this but from the way Murray carries himself now and the match he played against Djokovic he may have beat Nadal.

I'll be checking out his upcoming matches, Lendl has made a difference already.
I just hope it's not just the initial boost that a player gets from having a new coach.

Murray is definitely one to watch this season.

out_grinder
02-12-2012, 06:44 PM
Totally pointless. He would have forced Nadal to 5 in my opinion but would have lost it.

No way.

I think Nadal would have it easy in 3 with bakery thrown in.

stewietennis
02-12-2012, 08:42 PM
During the fifth set of the Murray-Djokovic semi final, I seriously thought Murray could have beaten Nadal if he made it through. Looking back though, and remembering the that 4th set "give up" (it wasn't even a collapse, Murray just gave up – served and didn't move, didn't go for shots that were two feet away), Nadal would have eventually prevailed in four sets.

ballbasher101
02-12-2012, 08:58 PM
Pains me to say this but Nadal would have won for sure. Against Nadal Murray just collapses. Murray needs to remove the mental hold Nadal has over him. The only way to do that is to win 4 or 5 matches in a row against Nadal just like Djokovic did. As it stands the only thing Nadal expects when he plays Murray is a victory.

leng jai
02-12-2012, 09:03 PM
Anyone saying Murray with any conviction is just delusional.

Ajde.

delboy
02-12-2012, 10:50 PM
Would have been an interesting match...if he played like he did against djoker and didn't bottle it then sure he could have won.

Houstonko
02-13-2012, 06:19 AM
He was tired though seriously, you noobs can't admit that. Murray lucked his way to the final in US Open 2008.....but I think he earned his runs to the finals in AO 10 and 11.

US08 was very fast. In fast surface Nadal and Djoker can't dominate, as simple as that. Today 2 persons playing clay court tennis are dominating. I don't believe defense and endurance are the new evolution, the courts are the cause of it.

Houstonko
02-13-2012, 06:21 AM
During the fifth set of the Murray-Djokovic semi final, I seriously thought Murray could have beaten Nadal if he made it through. Looking back though, and remembering the that 4th set "give up" (it wasn't even a collapse, Murray just gave up – served and didn't move, didn't go for shots that were two feet away), Nadal would have eventually prevailed in four sets.

He needs to change his mentality to frontrunner's. He is not used to leading the match but very good at chasing.

MIMIC
02-13-2012, 06:48 AM
LOL, hell no.

Perhaps Djoker did him a favor, saving him from the embarrassment of going 0-4 in slam finals.

Alex999
02-13-2012, 09:32 AM
I don't know. Murray was very well prepared. Even that he lost to Nole, he has nothing to be ashamed of. I think that he can beat Nadal. I mean he did beat him at the USO...

Super Djoker
02-13-2012, 02:29 PM
Big fat no !

swebright
02-13-2012, 02:39 PM
No way x 1000

Sophocles
02-13-2012, 03:01 PM
Had he played at the same level, then yes, he would have had every chance. Would he have played at the same level against Nadal in a slam final? That is more doubtful.

He's beaten Nadal in slams but he hasn't done it for a while. Hell, even Federer's beaten Nadal twice in slams. Nobody seriously expects him to do it again.

fivebargate
02-13-2012, 04:18 PM
He would have been in with a shout for sure. We know he has done well against Nadal on this surface....and he looked like a different player mentally out there. The danger would always have been that he didn't feel fresh for the final and subsequently was overwhelmed by a Nadal faking super freshness as he does so well. I kinda think with Lendl onside that those days are past now....and expect to see Murray make inroads with Nadal....maybe even a clay win against hime en route to Paris.

NJ88
02-13-2012, 04:32 PM
Murray was more impressive vs. Nole. He was pretty much points away from beating a pretty much fresh Djokovic. Nadal couldnt beat a Djokovic who had just been playing a five hour marathon vs. Murray.

out_grinder
02-13-2012, 06:21 PM
Murray was more impressive vs. Nole. He was pretty much points away from beating a pretty much fresh Djokovic. Nadal couldnt beat a Djokovic who had just been playing a five hour marathon vs. Murray.

No way was Murray more impressive against Djokovic.

The only reason people think Murray does well against Djokovic is because Djokovic is ALWAYS exhausted by the time he reaches Murray.

Djokovic had an epic with Ferrer in the 2012 AO before meeting Murray, and had an epic battle with Soderling before they met in 2011 Rome.

If they met on equal terms, you'd have to be a blatant Murray-tard not to realize that Djokovic would not lose more than 2 games per set.

Think about it, Djokovic is regularly schooling Nadal. But Nadal is regularly schooling Murray. So why would Djokovic struggle more against the guy that is regularly schooled by the guy he regularly schools?

Singularity
02-13-2012, 07:34 PM
No way was Murray more impressive against Djokovic.

The only reason people think Murray does well against Djokovic is because Djokovic is ALWAYS exhausted by the time he reaches Murray.

Djokovic had an epic with Ferrer in the 2012 AO before meeting Murray, and had an epic battle with Soderling before they met in 2011 Rome.

Yeah, that 6-3 6-0 win in 77 minutes must have really exhausted Djokovic.

Certinfy
02-13-2012, 07:42 PM
Yeah, that 6-3 6-0 win in 77 minutes must have really exhausted Djokovic.
:lol:

I admit the first 6 games in that match were epic with Robin outplaying Novak but after he got injured. :sad:

Clydey
02-13-2012, 07:50 PM
That's because Nadal was tired (2008) and injured (2010) ;).

The first is a bullshit excuse and the second is an outright lie.

Nadal was down 2 sets when he got injured, on his way to being straight-setted.

rocketassist
02-13-2012, 07:55 PM
out_grinder is just Rodre Fegassi back under a different name.

Clydey
02-13-2012, 07:57 PM
No way was Murray more impressive against Djokovic.

The only reason people think Murray does well against Djokovic is because Djokovic is ALWAYS exhausted by the time he reaches Murray.

Djokovic had an epic with Ferrer in the 2012 AO before meeting Murray, and had an epic battle with Soderling before they met in 2011 Rome.

If they met on equal terms, you'd have to be a blatant Murray-tard not to realize that Djokovic would not lose more than 2 games per set.

Think about it, Djokovic is regularly schooling Nadal. But Nadal is regularly schooling Murray. So why would Djokovic struggle more against the guy that is regularly schooled by the guy he regularly schools?

Amazing logic.

It's interesting that this fatigued Nole always ends up beating Nadal in the final, despite being involved in 3-4 hour semi-finals. If I didn't know better, I would think you were talking utter wank.