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Which of the following can be the biggest threat to Nadal at RG?

Federer in 2
02-12-2012, 10:27 AM
I'm talking about players outside top 4.

henke007
02-12-2012, 10:29 AM
I voted for Delpo since Robin won't be anywhere near his best even if he is playing.

HuaTuo
02-12-2012, 10:35 AM
following the Copa Davis final last year, I vote for Del Potro

samanosuke
02-12-2012, 10:36 AM
Tipsarevic

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 10:51 AM
Outside Djokovic, he has 0 threats.

Alex999
02-12-2012, 10:57 AM
Outside Djokovic, he has 0 threats.
this. non of these players you listed can do anything against Nadal unless Rafa is injured. joke thread, but hey it's all good.

romismak
02-12-2012, 11:02 AM
When Nadal is healthy nobody can take him down at RG besides Nole, but Delpo or Soderling at good day can beat average Nadal there for sure

tripwires
02-12-2012, 11:04 AM
Obviously Isner.

156mphserve
02-12-2012, 11:04 AM
if you're a Nadaltard nobody can take down a healthy Rafa anywhere:p

Btw, why was this thread merged with the other one the first time it was created but it was allowed to remain when it was made a 2nd time?:P

leng jai
02-12-2012, 11:05 AM
I'm guessing Hass isn't in the poll so the other gimps have a chance?

Ajde.

Ash86
02-12-2012, 11:10 AM
When Nadal is healthy nobody can take him down at RG besides Nole, but Delpo or Soderling at good day can beat average Nadal there for sure

This. And even then it has to be said that this is based on 2 clay tournaments last year, one of which (Madrid) has very bad conditions for Nadal anyway. So far even Novak has not managed to take more than one set off Nadal at RG. Only Soderling and Isner have taken 2 or more in a match.

Novak has the best shot by far but if it's Nadal at his best then no one has a chance at RG. There are Novak fans who seem to think Nole 2.0 could have beaten Nadal in 2008 at RG - no chance - that was the best player on clay ever playing at his very best - no one was getting 3 sets.

Outside the top 4 you have to think it's Del Po and no one else really. Ferrer is not as effective vs Nadal on clay - he could get a set but not 3. Isner potentially but think Nadal would have learnt from last year... Nadal needs to just make sure he stays in the top 2 till RG so he can't meet Novak before the final.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 11:37 AM
No one, not even the top 4.

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 11:43 AM
There was a time when Federer was unbeatable at Wimbledon. And guess what? In the next couple of years he lost to Nadal, Berdych and Tsonga.
Nadal is probably the greatest claycourter of all time but it doesn't mean he'll be winning RG forever, some day Rafa's going to lose to somebody not named Soderling.
And it can as well happen this year, why not?
Did somebody expect Federer to lose against Berdych after such a promising start of 2010?

TBkeeper
02-12-2012, 11:45 AM
Davydenko /thread.

henke007
02-12-2012, 11:51 AM
When Nadal is healthy nobody can take him down at RG besides Nole, but Delpo or Soderling at good day can beat average Nadal there for sure

How do you know when he is healthy :confused::sad:

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 11:53 AM
How do you know when he is healthy :confused::sad:

When he wins of course :D.

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 11:54 AM
How do you know when he is healthy :confused::sad:

It's not that hard to figure out.
Nadal holds a perfect 550-0 record when healthy and 0-118 when injured.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 11:56 AM
It's not that hard to figure out.
Nadal holds a perfect 550-0 record when healthy and 0-118 when injured.

This. Fedtards, doubt your man has these statistics :wavey:.

samanosuke
02-12-2012, 12:07 PM
Outside Djokovic, he has 0 threats.

so then Djokovic has 0 threats

masterclass
02-12-2012, 12:21 PM
IF Mr. Nadal is not at his best (for whatever reason), and if Robin Soderling is healthy and match fit, he and Mr. Isner are the biggest threat.

Soderling is the only player to defeat Mr. Nadal at Roland Garros. Enough said.

Mr. Isner in 2011 became the only player who has ever taken Mr. Nadal to 5 sets, and Mr. Isner has since improved his play. If he can sustain that improvement and play similarly to his Davis Cup performances and serve well and keep the points short, he can win in less than 5 sets.

Mr. Del Potro has an outside chance.
Mr. Monfils with the match of his life and avoiding Mr. Federer.


Respectfully,
masterclass

Federer in 2
02-12-2012, 12:26 PM
IF Mr. Nadal is not at his best (for whatever reason), and if Robin Soderling is healthy and match fit, he and Mr. Isner are the biggest threat.

Soderling is the only player to defeat Mr. Nadal at Roland Garros. Enough said.

Mr. Isner in 2011 became the only player who has ever taken Mr. Nadal to 5 sets, and Mr. Isner has since improved his play. If he can sustain that improvement and play similarly to his Davis Cup performances and serve well and keep the points short, he can win in less than 5 sets.

Mr. Del Potro has an outside chance.
Mr. Monfils with the match of his life and avoiding Mr. Federer.


Respectfully,
masterclass

Were you wearing a suit when writing this comment, pal?

Stronga23
02-12-2012, 12:28 PM
Were you wearing a suit when writing this comment, pal?

Gael's game matches up well with Rafa on any surface. When he has played his best Gael has easily defeated Rafa. Roger is his kryptonite at RG :sad:.

Certinfy
02-12-2012, 12:28 PM
Isner.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 12:31 PM
so then Djokovic has 0 threats

He has 0 finals is what you're looking for. He isn't winning RG.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 12:32 PM
Gael's game matches up well with Rafa on any surface. When he has played his best Gael has easily defeated Rafa. Roger is his kryptonite at RG :sad:.

Gael never took more than 3 games in a set against Nadal on clay :lol:

And never took more than 5 games in a match against Nadal on clay

Stronga23
02-12-2012, 12:33 PM
He has 0 finals is what you're looking for. He isn't winning RG.

I know he had a similar score line in last year's SF loss that Gael had in his 2008 loss to Federer. Dont remind me but with the French crowd behind him maybe he can win a set LOL. You cant really count those matches because Gael has only played him once on clay since he has been Top 10-caliber which was in Madrid 2010 and Gael was coming of a long injury break.

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 12:35 PM
The sample of one particular match is too small to draw conclusions about Isner's chances against Nadal.
Besides, Isner was never close to win this match.

Stronga23
02-12-2012, 12:36 PM
The sample of one particular match is too small to draw conclusions about Isner's chances against Nadal.
Besides, Isner was never close to win this match.

Closer than Fed thats for sure. Also before you come up with your shot at Monfils just remember he is the only guy to beat Fed indoors in the last 14 months.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 12:39 PM
IF Mr. Nadal is not at his best (for whatever reason), and if Robin Soderling is healthy and match fit, he and Mr. Isner are the biggest threat.

Soderling is the only player to defeat Mr. Nadal at Roland Garros. Enough said.

Mr. Isner in 2011 became the only player who has ever taken Mr. Nadal to 5 sets, and Mr. Isner has since improved his play. If he can sustain that improvement and play similarly to his Davis Cup performances and serve well and keep the points short, he can win in less than 5 sets.

Mr. Del Potro has an outside chance.
Mr. Monfils with the match of his life and avoiding Mr. Federer.


Respectfully,
masterclass

Are people still believing in Soderling? :lol:

Come on, the 6 straight sets he lost after that match vs. Nadal at RG surely must be a sign, no? It was a fluke, Soderling has less than 0% chance to do it again.

_Chaz
02-12-2012, 12:40 PM
Also before you come up with your shot at Monfils just remember he is the only guy to beat Fed indoors in the last 14 months.

As far as I know Federer lost to some guy called Isner last Friday :confused:

Certinfy
02-12-2012, 12:40 PM
The Rafa we've seen on clay has been getting worse year on year yet Rafatards still believe he'll show up in his 2008 form or something. :lol:

Stronga23
02-12-2012, 12:41 PM
As far as I know Federer lost to some guy called Isner last Friday :confused:

Indoor clay doesnt count in my opinion. Fed lost to Montanes and Gulbis on clay :o.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:42 PM
The Rafa we've seen on clay has been getting worse year on year yet Rafatards still believe he'll show up in his 2008 form or something. :lol:

Jason :worship:

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 12:42 PM
Closer than Fed thats for sure. Also before you come up with your shot at Monfils just remember he is the only guy to beat Fed indoors in the last 14 months.

And what this fascinating fact has to do with this thread?

Stronga23
02-12-2012, 12:43 PM
Jason :worship:

Good motherfucking shit :worship:. Now put me in your sig ;)

Stronga23
02-12-2012, 12:43 PM
And what this fascinating fact has to do with this thread?

It has to do with the 1,000,000,000 Clownfils comments.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 12:45 PM
The Rafa we've seen on clay has been getting worse year on year yet Rafatards still believe he'll show up in his 2008 form or something. :lol:

so at RG:

2009 Nadal > 2010 Nadal > 2011 Nadal?

:scratch:

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:45 PM
Good motherfucking shit :worship:. Now put me in your sig ;)

For sure man, that was a brilliant "Good shit" ;). But seriously though....Rafatards and Fedtards :o

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:46 PM
so at RG:

2009 Nadal > 2010 Nadal > 2011 Nadal?

:scratch:

2009: 1 RG > 2010: 1 RG > 2011: 1 RG > 2012: 0 RG.

:wavey:

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 12:46 PM
The Rafa we've seen on clay has been getting worse year on year yet Rafatards still believe he'll show up in his 2008 form or something. :lol:

Nadal doesn't need even 50% of that form to make the final and can still count on Federer to take Djokovic out on a given day.

Certinfy
02-12-2012, 12:47 PM
so at RG:

2009 Nadal > 2010 Nadal > 2011 Nadal?

:scratch:
Was talking as a whole. Lets just leave 2009 out of this for now.

2008 > 2010 > 2011 at Roland Garros at least.

I don't know what the odds are of him playing the way he did in 2008 but if he doesn't play like that they're several players who can beat him.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:48 PM
Nadal doesn't need even 50% of that form to make the final and can still count on Federer to take Djokovic out on a given day.

Like that will happen again :facepalm:. At this rate, the old man ain't even reaching the quarters of RG this year.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 12:49 PM
2009: 1 RG > 2010: 1 RG > 2011: 1 RG > 2012: 0 RG.

:wavey:

Nadal won RG in 2009? Good to see they finally decided to scrap Federer's stolen career grand slam

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:50 PM
Nadal won RG in 2009? Good to see they finally decided to scrap Federer's stolen career grand slam

Yes. Fed is stripped of all his 16 GS for being a sore loser.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 12:50 PM
Was talking as a whole. Lets just leave 2009 out of this for now.

2008 > 2010 > 2011 at Roland Garros at least.

I don't know what the odds are of him playing the way he did in 2008 but if he doesn't play like that they're several players who can beat him.

Why should we leave 2009 out of it, unless he was, I'm just putting it out there, injured or something??

Certinfy
02-12-2012, 12:50 PM
Nadal doesn't need even 50% of that form to make the final and can still count on Federer to take Djokovic out on a given day.
For your sake I hope Nadal draws Federer in his half.
Like that will happen again :facepalm:. At this rate, the old man ain't even reaching the quarters of RG this year.
:worship:
Nadal won RG in 2009? Good to see they finally decided to scrap Federer's stolen career grand slam
:lol: I wish this were true.

Why should we leave 2009 out of it, unless he was, I'm just putting it out there, injured or something??
Well he claimed he was and pulled out of both Queens and Wimbledon so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 12:51 PM
Was talking as a whole. Lets just leave 2009 out of this for now.

2008 > 2010 > 2011 at Roland Garros at least.

I don't know what the odds are of him playing the way he did in 2008 but if he doesn't play like that they're several players who can beat him.

Name them, please. As far as I know Nadal has been far from his personal best for more than a year and yet reaches finals in almost every tournament he enters without any serious effort.
And most of those were off-clay.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:51 PM
Why should we leave 2009 out of it, unless he was, I'm just putting it out there, injured or something??

Exactly, if Rafa wasn't actually hurt/injured (however you tards say it), Rafa would have 1 RG there.

Certinfy
02-12-2012, 12:54 PM
Name them, please. As far as I know Nadal has been far from his personal best for more than a year and yet reaches finals in almost every tournament he enters without any serious effort.
And most of those were off-clay.
If Nadal plays the way he did at Roland Garros last year I believe Djokovic, Federer (if he doesn't choke so badly like he did last year), Soderling (I know they played last year at RG but that was by far the only good match Rafa played, was in 2008 form that match), Del Potro and maybe throw in guys like Isner there too after what happened last year.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:54 PM
Anyways, shouldn't you be fans of Haase, and de Bakker of the like?

You are Dutch right?

swisht4u
02-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Del Potro.
He has to be on his game and if Nadal isn't at his best it'll be trouble for Nadal.

It's not just DelPo's game.
The mental outlook is most important in these kind of matches, if he gets his chances he won't back down at all and never had any fear of closing out the match no matter who he plays.
He's shown that on the biggest of stages.

Orka_n
02-12-2012, 12:58 PM
Are people still believing in Soderling? :lol:

Come on, the 6 straight sets he lost after that match vs. Nadal at RG surely must be a sign, no? It was a fluke, Soderling has less than 0% chance to do it again.Love how close-minded people here are. Of course Nadal is a greater player than Soderling. However, that fact does NOT mean that Soderling has 0% chance of beating Nadal. Robin plays with small margins but when he is in the zone he can beat anybody. Even Nadaltards would realize this if they actually watched some tennis.

It's especially stupid to make fun of Soderling in this particular thread, for 2 reasons:
- He is the only one to actually beat Nadal at RG.
- We're talking outside the top 4 and Robin was the solid #5 before he got sick.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 12:58 PM
Anyways, shouldn't you be fans of Haase, and de Bakker of the like?

You are Dutch right?

I support them too, but they have a boring generic game, are cocky and arrogant (more Haase than de Bakker) and have zero personality.

Nadal is just something else.

Stronga23
02-12-2012, 12:58 PM
Anyways, shouldn't you be fans of Haase, and de Bakker of the like?

You are Dutch right?

He probably hasnt recovered from De Bakker's epic choke to Monfils last year.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:58 PM
Love how close-minded people here are. Of course Nadal is a greater player than Soderling. However, that fact does NOT mean that Soderling has 0% chance of beating Nadal. Robin plays with small margins but when he is in the zone he can beat anybody. Even Nadaltards would realize this if they actually watched some tennis.

It's especially stupid to make fun of Soderling in this particular thread, for 2 reasons:
- He is the only one to actually beat Nadal at RG.
- We're talking outside the top 4 and Robin was the solid #5 before he got sick.

Nothing like a bitter fanTard eh?

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:00 PM
I support them too, but they have a boring generic game, are cocky and arrogant (more Haase than de Bakker) and have zero personality.

Nadal is just something else.

de Bakker's just shit although I enjoy Haase's ballbashing game at times -- I didn't know he's cocky and arrogant :eek:..I thought his personality is alright....he was sort of funny when he was getting destroyed by Duck in AO 1R :shrug:.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:01 PM
He probably hasnt recovered from De Bakker's epic choke to Monfils last year.

de Bakker is like another Troicki but worse.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 01:02 PM
Love how close-minded people here are. Of course Nadal is a greater player than Soderling. However, that fact does NOT mean that Soderling has 0% chance of beating Nadal. Robin plays with small margins but when he is in the zone he can beat anybody. Even Nadaltards would realize this if they actually watched some tennis.

It's especially stupid to make fun of Soderling in this particular thread, for 2 reasons:
- He is the only one to actually beat Nadal at RG.
- We're talking outside the top 4 and Robin was the solid #5 before he got sick.

He just isn't winning 3 out of 5 sets again vs. Nadal

Their sets on clay:

6-2, 7-5, 6-1, 6-1, 6-0, 2-6, 7-6, 4-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4, 6-4, 6-1, 7-6

'When Robin is in the zone'... if Nadal plays to 80% of his clay court ability Soderling has no chance to even get near that zone.

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 01:03 PM
Del Potro.
He has to be on his game and if Nadal isn't at his best it'll be trouble for Nadal.

It's not just DelPo's game.
The mental outlook is most important in these kind of matches, if he gets his chances he won't back down at all and never had any fear of closing out the match no matter who he plays.
He's shown that on the biggest of stages.

DelPo's fitness ain't good enough to withstand Nadal for more than 2-3 sets so the only way to victory leads through straights sets which is very unlikely/impossible to happen.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:04 PM
He just isn't winning 3 out of 5 sets again vs. Nadal

Their sets on clay:

6-2, 7-5, 6-1, 6-1, 6-0, 2-6, 7-6, 4-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4, 6-4, 6-1, 7-6

'When Robin is in the zone'... if Nadal plays to 80% of his clay court ability Soderling has no chance to even get near that zone.

Given he's also got a serious mono to recover from, and given that he hasn't got much time left in his career, you can also safely say that Soda will never ever take another set from Rafa ever again :sad:

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 01:11 PM
de Bakker's just shit although I enjoy Haase's ballbashing game at times -- I didn't know he's cocky and arrogant :eek:..I thought his personality is alright....he was sort of funny when he was getting destroyed by Duck in AO 1R :shrug:.

Probably not so easy for him to display his true self in interviews in English, but you should hear his Dutch ones :o

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:13 PM
Probably not so easy for him to display his true self in interviews in English, but you should hear his Dutch ones :o

Yeah probably. There any links?

Orka_n
02-12-2012, 01:19 PM
He just isn't winning 3 out of 5 sets again vs. Nadal

Their sets on clay:

6-2, 7-5, 6-1, 6-1, 6-0, 2-6, 7-6, 4-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4, 6-4, 6-1, 7-6

'When Robin is in the zone'... if Nadal plays to 80% of his clay court ability Soderling has no chance to even get near that zone.Nonsense. Maybe you would be right if it was Nadal who was dominating the points, however that is not the case. In this matchup, Robin is clearly the more aggressive one. Therefore, if he keeps his UEs down, he will win. Simple as that. Granted, that is very hard to do against the best clay defender there is, but it is not impossible (as shown previously). The outcome also has a lot to do with Robin's 1st serve % of course.

Ash86
02-12-2012, 01:20 PM
If Nadal plays the way he did at Roland Garros last year I believe Djokovic, Federer (if he doesn't choke so badly like he did last year), Soderling (I know they played last year at RG but that was by far the only good match Rafa played, was in 2008 form that match), Del Potro and maybe throw in guys like Isner there too after what happened last year.

Federer? At RG? :haha:

By now it is clear that Fed in a best of 5 has next to no chance of beating Rafa - and at RG even less so. He played near his peak clay level at RG last year in the semi & final (his backhand was never that good against Nadal before) yet still lost 6-1 in the fourth. He's not getting 3 sets.

Djokovic - I'll give you that.
Del Potro - that too - perhaps if his forehand is on and he just steamrolls like he was at the start of the DC tie.
Isner - much less likely after last year - Nadal will be more aggressive on the return. BUT if he has a monster serving day you never know.
Soderling - the guy hasn't played since Bastad last year, still isn't well - will he be in the kind of form needed to beat Rafa at RG by June? Very doubtful.

So basically before the final the threats are Isner & Del Potro. Hope they're both in Djokovic's half - Novak to play Isner 4th round & then Del Potro in the quarters. :devil: Just want Nadal to get his record breaking 7th title - rather an easy draw than having to fight past Del Po etc. - let the pretender to the throne deal with the difficult players I say - after all RG is his main goal this year according to Novak... ;)

masterclass
02-12-2012, 01:21 PM
The sample of one particular match is too small to draw conclusions about Isner's chances against Nadal.
Besides, Isner was never close to win this match.

This is not a statistical analysis of his chances against Nadal. There is obviously insufficient data to make a legitimate statistical analysis.
The question remains who are the biggest threats outside the top 4.
It is of no matter that Mr. Isner only played 1 big match at RG against Mr. Nadal.
It was done once and recent enough to make him a threat to do it again, especially as described by me with Mr. Nadal less than his best.

And to say Isner was never close to winning the match is almost laughable.
When was Mr. Nadal close to winning the match? Only in the last set at the end, up 1 break, 5-3.
In terms of sets, one could say that Mr. Isner was close, going up 2 sets to 1 and needing 1 more set for the win.

Regardless, it was the only time anyone has ever taken Mr. Nadal to 5 sets and if anyone outside the top 4 is a threat to Mr. Nadal, it is my opinion that Mr. Isner has to be at or near the top of the list.

You may have a different opinion of who is the biggest threat. It would be nice to see you commit to an opinion with a well reasoned argument. In this thread, I only have seen you be a negative force negating other people's opinions.

Respectfully,
masterclass

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 01:21 PM
Yeah probably. There any links?

jS9_civ0dpc

This whopper :facepalm:

After that Roddick loss you thought he handled very well, damn he shows the real Robin Haase in this one :lol:

'I was the better player.'

'I dictated the rallies.'

'He was constantly looking at his coach asking what he had to do, because I returned every serve.'

'He was lucky in the first set, I had BP's when he hit the line, and I had my doubts. Maybe I should've challenged.'

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:22 PM
Win or lose, one thing's for sure. Nadal is a lock for the final.

swisht4u
02-12-2012, 01:27 PM
DelPo's fitness ain't good enough to withstand Nadal for more than 2-3 sets so the only way to victory leads through straights sets which is very unlikely/impossible to happen.

Depends on DelPo's training, he almost took out Fed in 2009 in five sets with his fitness not as good as later that year.
At the USO he lasted 5 sets and looked strong in the fifth set.
So we know that he has the ability to bring that area up to the highest levels.

Lately though he has looked not to be in good shape as far as endurance, his confidence looks a little thin too.

He has a way's to go in a lot of areas, but when he came on to the scene in 2008 he came out of nowhere.

At any time he can get on a roll, he can also hit thru any court and his game can come back with no warning.

That's one of the reasons so many watch his game, to try to see the signs of a strong comeback, he can't be counted out.

reery
02-12-2012, 01:28 PM
Winning for a seventh time at a slam is really difficult. Sampras is the only male player to do this in the open era.

If you search for articles of 2000, this is what it says:

2000 Wimbledon Final: Pete Sampras defeats Pat Rafter

One year earlier, Sampras had beaten his archrival Agassi in final, and equalled Emerson’s record of 12 Grand Slam singles titles. He was expected to break the record in front of the US crowd, but had to withdraw just a few days before the 99 Us Open due to a back injury. Beaten in the semifinals of the 00′ Oz Open and in the first round of Roland Garros, Sampras entered Wimbledon injured (shin inflammation).

Had this been any other tournament, Sampras said following the final, he would have pulled out. But Wimbledon is not just another tournament and instead he decided to skip practice sessions. And it proved to be a good decision as he benefited from an easy draw. Before the final, the highest-ranked player Sampras faced was No. 56,
Jan-Michael Gambill. His opponents were in succession Jiri Novak, Karol Kucera, Justin Gimelstob, Jonas Bjorkman, Jan Michael Gambill, Vladimir Voltchkov and the popular Aussie Pat Rafter in the final.


It will be very hard for Nadal. The draw will be very important.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:28 PM
jS9_civ0dpc

This whopper :facepalm:

After that Roddick loss you thought he handled very well, damn he shows the real Robin Haase in this one :lol:

'I was the better player.'

'I dictated the rallies.'

'He was constantly looking at his coach asking what he had to do, because I returned every serve.'

'He was lucky in the first set, I had BP's when he hit the line, and I had my doubts. Maybe I should've challenged.'

I can sorta understand what he's saying -- Dutch sounds quite similar to English. But yeah seriously.....wow :facepalm:. He was the better player? Omfg he's sucked for a while now including this match :facepalm:. He's just feeding himself nonsense there :help:.

And the fact that he sorta looked like Stepanek there, another fellow a55ha7, didn't help either :facepalm:.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 01:29 PM
Nonsense. Maybe you would be right if it was Nadal who was dominating the points, however that is not the case. In this matchup, Robin is clearly the more aggressive one. Therefore, if he keeps his UEs down, he will win. Simple as that. Granted, that is very hard to do against the best clay defender there is, but it is not impossible (as shown previously). The outcome also has a lot to do with Robin's 1st serve % of course.

Being more aggressive doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to win when you're playing well, not on clay it doesn't.

If Nadal's defensive game is up there, no matter how well Soderling is playing, he's going to make those errors. :shrug:

There's no escaping making a lot of errors when you're playing Nadal on clay, after 7 years this must be kicking in you'd think. Rafa forces you to make them, it's not that he's not doing anything and just every opponent just happened to choke against him for 7 years straight.

samanosuke
02-12-2012, 01:31 PM
haase is such a moron . I knew it few years back when i saw him for the first time and all these years he is just proving that . screwed face also, maybe few punches could help

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 01:31 PM
I can sorta understand what he's saying -- Dutch sounds quite similar to English. But yeah seriously.....wow :facepalm:. He was the better player? Omfg he's sucked for a while now including this match :facepalm:. He's just feeding himself nonsense there :help:.

Well, he started by saying 'I just wasn't good enough.'

But then he comes with a sea of excuses saying why he really was better and Roddick was lucky :p

There are plenty more of these, also after he lost to Nadal at Wimbledon, and also from his Roddick loss the year before. And his epic Murray choke at the USO. That's why I don't like him that much, but hey, he's Dutch and he's the best we've got. I'll take it ;)

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:36 PM
Well, he started by saying 'I just wasn't good enough.'

But then he comes with a sea of excuses saying why he really was better and Roddick was lucky :p. He was simply too shit on the day.

There are plenty more of these, also after he lost to Nadal at Wimbledon, and also from his Roddick loss the year before. And his epic Murray choke at the USO. That's why I don't like him that much, but hey, he's Dutch and he's the best we've got. I'll take it ;)

GSM Roddick 6-3, 6-4, 6-1. Even though I'm not much of a Roddick fan (and admittedly wanted him to lose this match), this was not fucking luck :lol:.

I actually thought he played excellent against Nadal before he stepped his game to another level and Haase ran out of answers. Lol, he should have been proud of his efforts, not making excuses why he lost :facepalm:. But aside that, he should have beaten Murray -- I don't like Murray that much so I don't care what Haase says about him :p. But yeah like you said, he's the best from your country but still........he's sorta on a downhill slide at the moment :help:.

Orka_n
02-12-2012, 01:42 PM
Being more aggressive doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to win when you're playing well, not on clay it doesn't.

If Nadal's defensive game is up there, no matter how well Soderling is playing, he's going to make those errors. :shrug:Yes, because Nadal runs faster than Soderling's 100 mph forehands and is therefore literally impossible to pass. :facepalm: This is getting nowhere.

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 01:44 PM
Yes, because Nadal runs faster than Soderling's 100 mph forehands and is therefore literally impossible to pass. :facepalm: This is getting nowhere.

No such thing with Nadal.

But if you think Soderling can win every point by hitting a 100mph forehand, be my guest. Then we are indeed getting nowhere. This isn't a game where you can do that over and over again.

Johnny Groove
02-12-2012, 02:50 PM
Clearly Rafa struggles vs. guys like Delpo and Isner, who can serve through the court, volley, and keep the rallies under 6 shots.

1. Isner serve
2. Rafa return
3. Isner forehand and close the net
4. Rafa passing shot
5. Isner volley

Rinse and repeat x 200.