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USA def. Switzerland 5-0....(Federer comments about Wawrinka, the court, the tie)

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theseth1119
02-11-2012, 03:57 PM
Rubbers 4 and 5 are dead ones tomorrow now. Rogie and Wawrinka certainly won't play them. I'm waiting to see if Rogie plays Rotterdam next week or withdraws from it now.

rocketassist
02-11-2012, 03:58 PM
All Wawrinka's fault this. Definitely. Fed should have played with a doubles specialist. Also he put Fed under pressure by losing yesterday. Stan you disgrace!!!!!!!! :mad:

ZaZoo)
02-11-2012, 03:58 PM
Trashed by USA at home on clay. too good :lol:

cobalt60
02-11-2012, 03:59 PM
:woohoo:

henke007
02-11-2012, 03:59 PM
All credit to Big John and Mugrinka!!

LoveFifteen
02-11-2012, 04:01 PM
All Wawrinka's fault this. Definitely. Fed should have played with a doubles specialist. Also he put Fed under pressure by losing yesterday. Stan you disgrace!!!!!!!! :mad:

Ummm, are you just being sarcastic? Or are you serious? If you're serious, I pity you for being such a Fedtard.

MuzzahLovah
02-11-2012, 04:01 PM
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lns0tz3CB41qa9vqgo1_500.gif

Roamed
02-11-2012, 04:01 PM
There are no words... :facepalm:

Congrats to Team USA, great victory.

BIGMARAT
02-11-2012, 04:02 PM
Poor Roger, He's aiming at Novaks number one and he cant even handle Isner.

Also for Stan, you're just really the weakling in that doubles.

Gorre
02-11-2012, 04:02 PM
Lol...US demolished Switzerland (w Fed & Stan) on clay...:eek: :worship:

rocketassist
02-11-2012, 04:03 PM
Ummm, are you just being sarcastic? Or are you serious? If you're serious, I pity you for being such a Fedtard.

Don't blame me for WTAtards like you not having the intelligence span to know the answer.

iriraz
02-11-2012, 04:03 PM
The Swiss organisers probably are thinking right now they have hit an own goal with that surface.
Putting a crap indoor clay surface was clearly the wrong choice.A low bounce indoor hard and things could have been a lot different.

evilmindbulgaria
02-11-2012, 04:04 PM
Absolutely deserved and unexpected.

Can anyone think of a bigger upset in Davis Cup lately?

star
02-11-2012, 04:04 PM
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/w/images/thumb/2/2c/Broom_icon.svg/400px-Broom_icon.svg.png

MuzzahLovah
02-11-2012, 04:05 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t106/OnlyObvious/Money_Speech/stephen_colbert.jpg

FedFan
02-11-2012, 04:05 PM
Roger was not good, but Wawrinka was awful. Stan is not the man for the Daviscup.

Congrats to the US team. :worship:

paseo
02-11-2012, 04:06 PM
Clown court selection. Should've gone with indoor hard. Automatic 2 points from Fed.

Oh, well.

SapELee
02-11-2012, 04:07 PM
Well done to the USA. After a shaky first set, Mike stepped up big time. The Americans dominated for the most part winning most of the points. Mike showed why he and his brother are one of the most successful double teams of all time even though Bob didn't play :). Now I look forward to Ryan's match :p.

On a sidenote, Stan is not very good at the net.

LoveFifteen
02-11-2012, 04:08 PM
Don't blame me for WTAtards like you not having the intelligence span to know the answer.

Federer was beaten by Isner much more handily than Wawrinka was by Fish. The loss is Federer's fault, too. And the Federer I watched today in doubles was a hot ass mess. You insult me because I like the WTA in addition to the ATP. I pity Fedtards like you who are only able to worship your idol. :o

Clay Death
02-11-2012, 04:09 PM
they should have played on indoor hard courts and Fed should have played the very first match.

swiss planned poorly and paid the price.

and stan is a choke artist. get rid of him.

Yappa
02-11-2012, 04:10 PM
Interesting. So this is the way to make a doubles result thread in order to avoid posting in the doubles forum for maximum attention.

Ash86
02-11-2012, 04:10 PM
It's been said before but Fed's not a team player and he really doesn't care about playing for his country - imagine Nadal or Djokovic playing that doubles match, knowing the tie was on the line, they'd have taken control way more and put up a fight. Fed just doesn't do it - same in the 4th set vs Isner yesterday - he just doesn't view Davis Cup as being that important for some reason...

Big hole in his CV and it'll now stay there for ever - Borg, Laver, McEnroe, Rafa etc. all came up big for their country in this format - Fed sadly hasn't been that bothered after that loss to Hewitt in 2003 - maybe once he went onto all that success in majors he couldn't pump himself up for this - but it's a shame really. If that's the last time we see Fed play Davis Cup (what are the chances he'll turn up for the play offs...) then what a way to go out - loss to Isner at home on clay & then set up match point for the USA by mishitting his backhand (unlucky bounce for him...).

gulzhan
02-11-2012, 04:10 PM
Makes my suffering because of Russia losing 3-0 more bearable :p

rocketassist
02-11-2012, 04:11 PM
Federer was beaten by Isner much more handily than Wawrinka was by Fish. The loss is Federer's fault, too. And the Federer I watched today in doubles was a hot ass mess. You insult me because I like the WTA in addition to the ATP. I pity Fedtards like you who are only able to worship your idol. :o

:haha: :haha:

just shut up.

tektonac
02-11-2012, 04:12 PM
tactical tank from fed; he wants #1 and everything else is just unnecessary energy dissipation.

Stefwhit
02-11-2012, 04:12 PM
Color me surprised! Who'd of thunk it!?

Regardless of all the excuses being thrown out it's an impressive victory. Not really a fan of any u.s players but I'm all for team USA!!!

star
02-11-2012, 04:14 PM
Well done to Courier and the team! :worship:

They could have bowed to the intimidation factor of playing away and the Greatest Player Of All Time, but they fought hard and excelled. :hatoff:

rickcastle
02-11-2012, 04:14 PM
Big hole in his CV and it'll now stay there for ever - Borg, Laver, McEnroe, Rafa etc. all came up big for their country in this format - Fed sadly hasn't been that bothered after that loss to Hewitt in 2003

It's not really a BIG hole in his CV as a singles player, no matter what you say. When discussing GOATS, commies and pundits hardly ever bring up the Davis Cup. You can have a Davis Cup while never winning a single match, it's a team sport. If this is such a BIG hole in Federer's resume, what do we say about Nadal never winning the WTF?

MuzzahLovah
02-11-2012, 04:15 PM
Color me surprised! Who'd of thunk it!?

Regardless of all the excuses being thrown out it's an impressive victory. Not really a fan of any u.s players but I'm all for team USA!!!

Yeah, I don't care for any of them individually, except maybe I'll root for Ryan in the dead rubber, but team USA all the way. :worship:

iriraz
02-11-2012, 04:15 PM
Hopefully for the US players they can convert this success in better showings in the bigger events on the tour cause at AO they really sucked.

betowiec
02-11-2012, 04:15 PM
tactical tank from fed; he wants #1 and everything else is just unnecessary energy dissipation.

sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

:p

Corey Feldman
02-11-2012, 04:16 PM
Surely the last time Fed ever plays Davis Cup

its time to let this one go Fedgod, its no loss to you Champ, Winning Basel or Rotterdam means more than winning this comp thesedays

Jimnik
02-11-2012, 04:18 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

This USA is good.

DanaKz
02-11-2012, 04:20 PM
Surely the last time Fed ever plays Davis Cup

its time to let this one go Fedgod, its no loss to you Champ, Winning Basel or Rotterdam means more than winning this comp thesedays

Where is Anfield Cat? It was here 5 minutes ago!

Lee
02-11-2012, 04:21 PM
Congratulation to Team USA!

Courier was so cool after the sweep like he expected this :lol:

samanosuke
02-11-2012, 04:21 PM
was it bigger NID wawrinka loosing serves or fed shaking backhands

Corey Feldman
02-11-2012, 04:22 PM
only sympathies go to Eden and the other swiss fans who went to watch such an awful effort from those 2 gimps

they were more interested in hitting each other and hugging babies during practise sessions

Where is Anfield Cat? It was here 5 minutes ago!did you like it

replaced it with the Anfield rat

EddieNero
02-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Fed should finally stop acting like he even cares about Davis Cup and simply give it up and not play a single rubber anymore.Seems quite obvious for everyone that this competition is hardly a subject of his focus and actually has never been important for him.
I don't know whether Federer will have the courage to say it loudly, yet choosing Rotterdam over Davis Cup appears to be a clear signal.

Cat9
02-11-2012, 04:24 PM
How about that swing and miss by Fed that gave them match point? Wow. SO great to see our boys so happy. Incredible from Isner. Woo hoo!!

cutesteve22
02-11-2012, 04:27 PM
lost to USA on clay is a disgrace. Tennis is dead.

emotion
02-11-2012, 04:28 PM
Wawrinka did kinda suck really bad in doubles, but Fed was worse in singles

Fed_Ds
02-11-2012, 04:29 PM
only sympathies go to Eden and the other swiss fans who went to watch such an awful effort from those 2 gimps

they were more interested in hitting each other and hugging babies during practise sessions

:spit::bigcry:

Sunset of Age
02-11-2012, 04:30 PM
Better team won, it's as easy at that. Congrats to the USA, a well-deserved victory! :hatoff:

As for Fed "not caring"... lamest excuse ever.
How about the possibility of him just not being good enough anymore? Wawa is a genuine DC-disaster, no surprise at his failure.

Kworb
02-11-2012, 04:31 PM
Ryan should've played. :mad:

Corey Feldman
02-11-2012, 04:34 PM
there is a time and a place for playing with babies!!

not during comp

Jimnik
02-11-2012, 04:35 PM
Mike Bryan - the real Davis Cup GOAT. 20-3 record. :worship:

Americans certainly know how to kick Alpine butt. Defeated Austria 3-0 on clay too.

Sombrerero loco
02-11-2012, 04:36 PM
swiss :facepalm:

star
02-11-2012, 04:44 PM
Better team won, it's as easy at that. Congrats to the USA, a well-deserved victory! :hatoff:

As for Fed "not caring"... lamest excuse ever.
How about the possibility of him just not being good enough anymore? Wawa is a genuine DC-disaster, no surprise at his failure.

He was good enough just a few weeks ago to reach the semis of a grand slam. Going into the AO, he had a much touted winning streak and had won the WTF.

It’s hard for me to buy the argument that Federer is not “good enough anymore.” He’s the number 3 player in the world. So, the person who is better than all but 2 players in the world, isn’t good enough?

Puschkin
02-11-2012, 04:47 PM
All Wawrinka's fault this. Definitely. Fed should have played with a doubles specialist.

Out of the legions of Swiss doubles' specialists, name one, please!

Corey Feldman
02-11-2012, 04:51 PM
these 2 are partly to blame as well

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/26/article-0-1177305B000005DC-734_634x458.jpg

August
02-11-2012, 04:55 PM
Switzerland's Davis Cup campaign 2012:

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/7/73/JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg/618px-JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg

I wonder whether Fed will ever play in Davis Cup again.

KoOlMaNsEaN
02-11-2012, 04:57 PM
smh @ Stan and Fed :(

MacTheKnife
02-11-2012, 04:58 PM
Great win for the US. Can't believe they chose to play this on clay. Many thanks to the Swiss! Note for the future, play on YOUR best surface!!

BodyServe
02-11-2012, 04:59 PM
there is a time and a place for playing with babies!!

not during comp

Serves them well.

I thought USA couldn't play on clay, what an humiliation on their home soil.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-11-2012, 05:03 PM
Great result!Go USA!
Switzerland:wavey:

samanosuke
02-11-2012, 05:05 PM
Great win for the US. Can't believe they chose to play this on clay. Many thanks to the Swiss! Note for the future, play on YOUR best surface!!

why do you think this was wrong decision ? clay was the best surface Swiss could choose against US . They knew Wawrinka has to win one singles match and on clay he was favorite against both Fish and Isner . On hard he wouldn't be favorite against neither of them . Similar situation was when Croatia with Cilic and Karlovic chose clay and when they didn't mistake neither Swiss wouldn't if they weren't playing so bad

Corey Feldman
02-11-2012, 05:18 PM
told ya yesterday

Fed realized straight away he was wasting his time when watching Wawrinka play Fish

River
02-11-2012, 05:20 PM
A team that actually cares about winning Davis Cup beats a team that treats it like it's an outing?

What a shocker.

Come on now, Fed. I respect your game, but honestly, if you really DID want to win, treat the match with more respect and focus. Otherwise, you deserve to get demolished. Same goes for the rest of the Swiss team. You can't rely on Federer to do everything for you just because he said he'd be there.

The better and more-deserved team won.

samanosuke
02-11-2012, 05:23 PM
For a guy who on hard court shanks every third backhand this correct bouncing surface was made for his game

jcempire
02-11-2012, 05:57 PM
Wow

3-0 on Clay

Isner beats Fed
Wow.... Fed done???? or Isner gets better????

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 05:59 PM
:superlol:

Horatio Caine
02-11-2012, 06:03 PM
Caps off a disastrous weekend for the Swiss.

In fairness, I wouldn't have expected them to win the doubles anyway. But they should have been 2-1 up going into Sunday, with Federer to comfortably clinch the tie in the 4th rubber against Fish.

What a shocker of a tie. Two dead rubbers. At least the crowd will probably be treated to Harrison and Isner tomorrow. Federer surely won't play, but Wawrinka probably ought to simply out of respect for the crowd.

r3d_d3v1l_
02-11-2012, 06:13 PM
Just the fact that Federer has to play doubles to save the swiss´s ass, says everything about their quality as a whole.

But you gotta give credit when it´s due. Fish came through Chokerinka and Isner outplayed Federer. They played better and won, when everyone thought they would lose.

I just don´t get all the apocalyptic coments on Federer. Did you really thought the Swiss team would get the title? Let´s be honest, they have a shitty squad.

As for Federer, he might just lose straight away, then fighting and burning out for nothing.

tripwires
02-11-2012, 06:21 PM
Apocalyptic comments about Fed after he loses is normal MTF behaviour.

Not sure what I'm more Devo-ed about: that the Swiss lost so badly, or that I didn't get to watch a single Federer match. :facepalm:

ballbasher101
02-11-2012, 06:23 PM
I did not see this coming. USA for the whitewash? :devil:. Federer has never really been that invested in the Davis cup. His gifts to the Swiss people have always arrived in the form of majors.

MaxPower
02-11-2012, 06:23 PM
bit funny that Swiss had home advantage but it almost worked against them. Pressure, the clay surface didn't give much (maybe should have gone for super slow low bouncing hc but easy to say now)


Going to be interesting to see if Federer shows up for the relegation round to redeem himself. Probably should....

iriraz
02-11-2012, 06:24 PM
People are saying the Swiss have done poorly but if we look in the future things might get even worse.They are still in the top division but the big issue is there aren`t any youngster coming into the team.With Lammer or Chiudinelli in the team,2 guys around 30 and not a lot of success in their careers says it all.The future is pretty bleak for Swiss tennis.

Mountaindewslave
02-11-2012, 06:45 PM
It's been said before but Fed's not a team player and he really doesn't care about playing for his country - imagine Nadal or Djokovic playing that doubles match, knowing the tie was on the line, they'd have taken control way more and put up a fight. Fed just doesn't do it - same in the 4th set vs Isner yesterday - he just doesn't view Davis Cup as being that important for some reason...

Big hole in his CV and it'll now stay there for ever - Borg, Laver, McEnroe, Rafa etc. all came up big for their country in this format - Fed sadly hasn't been that bothered after that loss to Hewitt in 2003 - maybe once he went onto all that success in majors he couldn't pump himself up for this - but it's a shame really. If that's the last time we see Fed play Davis Cup (what are the chances he'll turn up for the play offs...) then what a way to go out - loss to Isner at home on clay & then set up match point for the USA by mishitting his backhand (unlucky bounce for him...).

I agree that Roger does not seem to care very much

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 06:47 PM
Of course fed never cared about davis cup he never did, what a selfish man.:lol:

abraxas21
02-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Great win for the US. Can't believe they chose to play this on clay. Many thanks to the Swiss! Note for the future, play on YOUR best surface!!

clay was the most adequate surface given the circumstances

federer is the second best clay courter of the past 10 years and clay is wawa's fave surface. meanwhile it's well known that the yanks dont like clay much.

there are many reasons to be found for this loss but the court isn't one of them

River
02-11-2012, 06:51 PM
Apocalyptic comments about Fed after he loses is normal MTF behaviour.

Not sure what I'm more Devo-ed about: that the Swiss lost so badly, or that I didn't get to watch a single Federer match. :facepalm:

I don't know. It's more like the reaction towards Fed's dedication to Davis Cup than him being done and retiring.

It's obvious a good amount of people carry no respect nor value towards Davis Cup here in the MTF, but honestly, if you're going to go for Davis Cup, at least treat it like it means something. If you're here just for practice, then tank a lower-tier tournament or something. At least when you lose, your country's morale doesn't lower to a sad state of silence or hostility.

I can't think of any way to excuse the Swiss Team or Roger himself other than lack of effort. This is the clay court, for lord's sake. Since when does the US win anything on clay other than the Bryan Brothers these days? And I have to lol at people saying this should have been won on indoor hard. Wait, what? Not to bash the US Team or anything, but don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you have to pick something other than clay in order to beat the USA?

It's got to be lack of effort. If MTF members say Davis Cup was never important for Federer (which is an obvious lie), then it's even more his and the entire Swiss team's fault, one for Roger even bothering to come just to.. well.. suck, and two for the Swiss team to place all their hopes on him. The Swiss team as a whole is honestly not that bad, or at least not that bad to get beaten by the USA on clay.... by means of a sweep, nonetheless.

So basically, it's just a matter of the team who wanted it more winning in the end. At least that's my opinion.

Allez
02-11-2012, 06:51 PM
On clay no less. Absolutely shocking. Fed & especially Wawa's rapid decline is alarming. How long before the Swiss have another top player ? This could be Fed's last year and Wawa is regressing. Not a good time to be a Swiss tennis fan :eek:

abraxas21
02-11-2012, 06:53 PM
All Wawrinka's fault this. Definitely. Fed should have played with a doubles specialist. Also he put Fed under pressure by losing yesterday. Stan you disgrace!!!!!!!! :mad:

both guys are responsible.

all of the 3 losses (even the doubles) should be considered upsets for the swiss. the biggest one being isner beating federer on clay.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 06:53 PM
I don't know. It's more like the reaction towards Fed's dedication to Davis Cup than him being done and retiring.

It's obvious a good amount of people carry no respect nor value towards Davis Cup here in the MTF, but honestly, if you're going to go for Davis Cup, at least treat it like it means something. If you're here just for practice, then tank a lower-tier tournament or something. At least when you lose, your country's morale doesn't lower to a sad state of silence or hostility.

I can't think of any way to excuse the Swiss Team or Roger himself other than lack of effort. This is the clay court, for lord's sake. Since when does the US win anything on clay other than the Bryan Brothers these days? And I have to lol at people saying this should have been won on indoor hard. Wait, what? Not to bash the US Team or anything, but don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you have to pick something other than clay in order to beat the USA?

It's got to be lack of effort. If MTF members say Davis Cup was never important for Federer (which is an obvious lie), then it's even more his and the entire Swiss team's fault, one for Roger even bothering to come just to.. well.. suck, and two for the Swiss team to place all their hopes on him. The Swiss team as a whole is honestly not that bad, or at least not that bad to get beaten by the USA on clay.... by means of a sweep, nonetheless.

So basically, it's just a matter of the team who wanted it more winning in the end. At least that's my opinion.

I agree with this, i wish i couldve said it any better.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-11-2012, 06:56 PM
Pathetic excuses about federer "did not care". Bullshit. He did care, that's why he decided to play. He could have had a week of rest. So he did care but his opponents were better.
Deal with it. :wavey:

Stronga23
02-11-2012, 06:57 PM
I agree with this, i wish i couldve said it any better.

:hug::hug::smooch::hearts:

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 07:03 PM
Pathetic excuses about federer "did not care". Bullshit. He did care, that's why he decided to play. He could have had a week of rest. So he did care but his opponents were better.
Deal with it. :wavey:

He really didnt put that much effort into his matches, everytime he would be in davis cup matches, he doesnt seem too much into it. So i think some people are making too much excuses for fed, no one should have excuses at all, davis cup is the most important thing to have in your career and for your country. The davis cup tie was all swiss but they just fucked it up and plus USA was never great on clay so how the hell do you lose to USA on clay, that is what is ridiculous of Swiss team for sure.:rolleyes:

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 07:04 PM
:hug::hug::smooch::hearts:

Lyndon:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch: :smooch:

River
02-11-2012, 07:05 PM
Pathetic excuses about federer "did not care". Bullshit. He did care, that's why he decided to play. He could have had a week of rest. So he did care but his opponents were better.
Deal with it. :wavey:

I love the US, and I kinda don't like Federer. But seriously, who are you trying to fool?

Roger Federer has no business losing to an American on clay. I'll even go as far as to say that if he even remotely tried, the US team would have at least not swept the Swiss out of the Davis Cup.

It's just lack of effort, which, by all means, should be even more embarrassing than just being plain horrible. You're really going to do that in front of your home country? I could excus- actually, no. It's freakin clay, lmao. There's really no excuse to lose to the USA on clay 3 times in a row.

And for the people who think he shouldn't care what his home country thinks of him since he's "GOAT," it's Davis Cup. Why else are you here other than to play for your country? For the trophy? Oh yeah, he certainly played like he wanted it... :rolleyes:

LawrenceOfTennis
02-11-2012, 07:05 PM
He really didnt put that much effort into his matches, everytime he would be in davis cup matches, he doesnt seem too much into it. So i think some people are making too much excuses for fed, no one should have excuses at all, davis cup is the most important thing to have in your career and for your country. The davis cup tie was all swiss but they just fucked it up and plus USA was never great on clay so how the hell do you lose to USA on clay, that is what is ridiculous of Swiss team for sure.:rolleyes:

USA is still bad on clay, but Isner showed he can play good even on clay in special matches. That's the only thing what matters here.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-11-2012, 07:09 PM
Roger Federer has no business losing to an American on clay.

The problem is that you re talking about statistics here. Yes, Federer has a great clay career and Isner not, but who cares? Isner played really well, and federer was simply not enough to win. 99% of the people want to see top 3 winning all matches, because those are the only ones they heard about. He was beaten. Deal with it. :wavey:

Roddickominator
02-11-2012, 07:09 PM
I really don't think Federer put forth full effort either. I didn't see the doubles match, but he never seemed emotionally invested in the Isner match at all. I don't think he cares much for his country. He should probably pull a Tommy Haas and become an American citizen.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 07:10 PM
USA is still bad on clay, but Isner showed he can play good even on clay in special matches. That's the only thing what matters here.

Isner was never good on clay, maybe the usa version of clay but never clay in general, to me he started getting better at clay since he 5 set loss to rafa, but to me Fed should never lose to any american player on clay i dont care how you put it. Im happy for USA but still REALLY FED REALLY?

LawrenceOfTennis
02-11-2012, 07:14 PM
Isner was never good on clay, maybe the usa version of clay but never clay in general, to me he started getting better at clay since he 5 set loss to rafa, but to me Fed should never lose to any american player on clay i dont care how you put it. Im happy for USA but still REALLY FED REALLY?

Too many players respected him too much to actually play like men. Isner is one of those now who played like a man and won. I don't care about federer's clay record.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 07:18 PM
Too many players respected him too much to actually play like men. Isner is one of those now who played like a man and won. I don't care about federer's clay record.

I dont care about Fed's record either, im not a huge fan of him, but still its kinda of ridiculous to me but oh well, congrats to the USA.:hatoff:

Stronga23
02-11-2012, 07:19 PM
I dont care about Fed's record either, im not a huge fan, but still its kinda of ridiculous to me but oh well, congrats to the USA.:hatoff:

Dee how have you been??? ;)

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 07:20 PM
Dee how have you been??? ;)

I've been ok, up and down for the past two days and so but im ok, and you?????:D

NID
02-11-2012, 07:22 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t106/OnlyObvious/Money_Speech/stephen_colbert.jpg



:worship:

Pirata.
02-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Big hole in his CV and it'll now stay there for ever - Borg, Laver, McEnroe, Rafa etc. all came up big for their country in this format

:lol:

Ferrer, Verdasco and Lopez have done more for Spanish Davis Cup than Rafa has.

If this is such a BIG hole in Federer's resume, what do we say about Nadal never winning the WTF?

That it's an unimportant event at the end of the year and meaningless and indoor hard isn't a real surface and everyone is tired by the end of the year blah blah blah

Stronga23
02-11-2012, 07:24 PM
I've been ok, up and down for the past two days and so but im ok, and you?????:D

Aw :sad:. I have been sad the entire week because of Gael's inury after such a good start to the season for him.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 07:30 PM
Aw :sad:. I have been sad the entire week because of Gael's inury after such a good start to the season for him.
Oh yea i heard about Gael's injury:sad:, im sure he will be ok. Lets just hope that he gets better.
:lol:

Ferrer, Verdasco and Lopez have done more for Spanish Davis Cup than Rafa has.



That it's an unimportant event at the end of the year and meaningless and indoor hard isn't a real surface and everyone is tired by the end of the year blah blah blah

:haha: Rafa hasnt done more than Ferrer, Verdasco and Lopez.

Are you kidding girl?:lol: Rafa has contributed to the Spanish team just like Ferrer, Lopez, Verdasco and some of the rest of the spanish team. He was in big important matches always the saving grace too bad he couldnt save them in 2010 quarters but hey at least the Spanish team is a strong team.

How can you say that Davis cup is an unimportant event????? Davis cup is one of the most if not the most important event to have. Its like saying that World cup in soccer is not the most important event. Come on girl dont do this.:o

samanosuke
02-11-2012, 07:34 PM
Are you kidding girl?:lol: Rafa has contributed to the Spanish team just like Ferrer, Lopez, Verdasco and some of the rest of the spanish team. He was in big important matches always the saving grace too bad he couldnt save them in 2010 quarters but hey at least the Spanish team is a strong team.



last few years he was useful to the spanish team just when his ass was spanked badly after WTF's so he needed heal the wounds on birdshit, his bitch monaco or exhausted delpo or when he needed some matches so he was pumping the libido on belgian poor guys . when spain was going on first look no hope trip to the usa rafito wasn't available

Jimnik
02-11-2012, 07:36 PM
People dissing Switzerland for choosing clay?

Now I know I'm living in a parallel universe.

Pirata.
02-11-2012, 07:41 PM
:haha: Rafa hasnt done more than Ferrer, Verdasco and Lopez.

Are you kidding girl?:lol: Rafa has contributed to the Spanish team just like Ferrer, Lopez, Verdasco and some of the rest of the spanish team. He was in big important matches always the saving grace too bad he couldnt save them in 2010 quarters but hey at least the Spanish team is a strong team.

How can you say that Davis cup is an unimportant event????? Davis cup is one of the most if not the most important event to have. Its like saying that World cup in soccer is not the most important event. Come on girl dont do this.:o

David, Feli and Fer have contributed far more to the team in the last couple years than Rafa, it's a fact :shrug: Rafa rarely plays if the tie is not in Spain, especially not if the tie is on anything but clay. The last two years, Spain had very tough quarterfinals away from home against France and USA, Rafa skipped them--in 2010, he instead went to the World Cup, which I'm sure the other guys would've loved to do, but they instead put DC commitment first, even if they lost all the matches.

And don't compare Davis Cup to the World Cup, it's not the same thing at all :o Slams are far more important than a Davis Cup.

Horatio Caine
02-11-2012, 07:44 PM
People are saying the Swiss have done poorly but if we look in the future things might get even worse.They are still in the top division but the big issue is there aren`t any youngster coming into the team.With Lammer or Chiudinelli in the team,2 guys around 30 and not a lot of success in their careers says it all.The future is pretty bleak for Swiss tennis.

The Swiss team has been all about Federer anyway. They are practically solely reliant on him if they are to have a chance against teams of the USA's quality. Stan has played his part at times but, without checking through years of results, I'm struggling to think of his notable achievements in this competition, especially when he has had to carry the team himself.

And yes, when Federer decides that he is no longer playing for them (which will be within the next couple of years max., and maybe even from today...), they will be in free-fall, and will certainly not be immune from a drop into Group II.

River
02-11-2012, 07:44 PM
Courier must feel like he's on Cloud Nine right now.

Sweeing a European country on clay. It's like the 90s all over again.

...you know, back when Americans knew what to do on clay.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-11-2012, 07:48 PM
Had Switzerland won today, all the federer fangirls would say DC is the most prestigious.

lucyfur
02-11-2012, 07:49 PM
Congrats USA!:clap2:

EddieNero
02-11-2012, 07:54 PM
Had Switzerland won today, all the federer fangirls would say DC is the most prestigious.

Davis Cup is absolutely worthless and I'd say exactly the same thing even If Federer won it.

Pirata.
02-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Had Switzerland won today, all the federer fangirls would say DC is the most prestigious.

False.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 07:58 PM
last few years he was useful to the spanish team just when his ass was spanked badly after WTF's so he needed heal the wounds on birdshit, his bitch monaco or exhausted delpo or when he needed some matches so he was pumping the libido on belgian poor guys . when spain was going on first look no hope trip to the usa rafito wasn't available
Its not like he didnt play for his country to, he loves playing in his home tie why not, if hes comfortable in playing in his home place than fine, but that does not mean that Rafa hasnt contributed to the team too. You cant just say that Rafa was never there for the spaniards.:shrug:
David, Feli and Fer have contributed far more to the team in the last couple years than Rafa, it's a fact :shrug: Rafa rarely plays if the tie is not in Spain, especially not if the tie is on anything but clay. The last two years, Spain had very tough quarterfinals away from home against France and USA, Rafa skipped them--in 2010, he instead went to the World Cup, which I'm sure the other guys would've loved to do, but they instead put DC commitment first, even if they lost all the matches.

And don't compare Davis Cup to the World Cup, it's not the same thing at all :o Slams are far more important than a Davis Cup.

He did play outside of clay a couple of times years back. And i know hes more comfortable playing at his home tie than other places, but that doesnt mean that he wasnt their for the spanish team. And plus spains team is so strong without Rafa its amazing. Most teams have to depend on their leading man all the time but a couple of teams like Spain doesnt have to at all. And about rafa going to see spain in the world cup, i mean i dont mind him doing that, i would too if i was a huge soccer fan and would want my country to win.:shrug:

And im not trying to compare tennis with soccer at all. Im trying to figure out how is Davis cup not the most important event, to me it doesnt make sense, you should ask all of the players on the men side and ask them how important the davis cup is. Its one of the most important events of the year. Im not saying that slams are not important but for you to say that davis cup is not important is just BS to me. Every player on tour would love to win davis cup for their country. Like other countries to win FIBA world cup or other countries to win World cup. And anything that has something to do with a country winning for their country. You might as well say that the olympics isnt important at all.

Kiedis
02-11-2012, 08:02 PM
I miss a lot Marc Rosset. He at least don't persistently put in shame his country.

Congrats team USA. Well played, sirs.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-11-2012, 08:05 PM
Had Switzerland won today, all the federer fangirls would say DC is the most prestigious.

I think most of them, not all but most.

BlackSilver
02-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Davis Cup is absolutely worthless

prove

and......

Slams are far more important than a Davis Cup.

prove

Ash86
02-11-2012, 08:33 PM
David, Feli and Fer have contributed far more to the team in the last couple years than Rafa, it's a fact :shrug: Rafa rarely plays if the tie is not in Spain, especially not if the tie is on anything but clay. The last two years, Spain had very tough quarterfinals away from home against France and USA, Rafa skipped them--in 2010, he instead went to the World Cup, which I'm sure the other guys would've loved to do, but they instead put DC commitment first, even if they lost all the matches.


He didn't skip it in 2010 because of the World Cup - he had to have treatment on his knees - which he's been having periodically since 2009 and involves some rather painful injections to his knees that put him out of commission for a week or so at least. Between Wimbledon and the US Open is the only time he could do it. The World Cup was a last minute decision because they got to the final and he had the opportunity to go - could he have known in advance that Spain would win the semi-final vs Germany so could plan to skip DC for that reason? I don't think so. So he didn't miss DC for the World Cup.

As for how much Rafa has contributed it's clear he plays far more matches a year than Feli & Ferrer because he goes deeper in more tournaments. Post 2009 he's tried (if not always effectively) to have a better schedule - DC suffers which is why he's actually called for the format to be changed so it's bi-annual or takes place over 2 years to reduce the ties to 2 a year... BUT he's still been there winning crucial matches. Would Spain rather have left it to Lopez/Verdasco to deal with Querrey or Roddick in 2009? Or then against Berdych in the final?

He played away on indoor HC last year so this idea that he's scared of playing away from clay is stupid too. In best of 5 even on indoor HC he's the favourite against most opponents. Last year's Davis Cup had a LOT to do with Ferrer & Feli - they won that US tie with some great matches & then Ferrer's match vs Del Po was crucial - but just because those two were important doesn't mean Nadal hasn't contributed to the team. He won a crucial fifth rubber vs Stepanak on HC in 2004 & then that match vs Roddick... The idea that Nadal doesn't care about DC or is scared of ties is silly - he clearly enjoys the tournament and is important to the team when he's there - it'll always be secondary to slams though and sadly players end up skipping ties to help their schedule - no Nole, no Rafa and no Andy this weekend is a shame for the competition. May as well have been no Roger too looking at the effort he put in....

Time Violation
02-11-2012, 09:03 PM
Davis Cup is absolutely worthless and I'd say exactly the same thing even If Federer won it.

Too much fail

Corey Feldman
02-11-2012, 09:15 PM
face it

Fed sacrificed DC to win Rotterdam, what does that say

leng jai
02-11-2012, 09:18 PM
face it

Fed sacrificed DC to win Rotterdam, what does that say

That Fed simply does not care about his fans.

Ajde

Jimnik
02-11-2012, 09:22 PM
Federer lost US Open, won 24 matches in a row at MM events and then lost AO. Nowadays he only loses when it matters.

If anything this result reinforces how important the Davis Cup is to him.

star
02-11-2012, 09:31 PM
Federer lost US Open, won 24 matches in a row at MM events and then lost AO. Nowadays he only loses when it matters.

If anything this result reinforces how important the Davis Cup is to him.


:worship: :worship:

r3d_d3v1l_
02-11-2012, 09:35 PM
The WTF is a MM event.

Always learning with the tards.

MuzzahLovah
02-11-2012, 09:41 PM
America has finally liberated Switzerland.

karool
02-11-2012, 09:48 PM
Anyone has that fail aproach fed did today to give americans their Match point?

- gif, of course :)

August
02-11-2012, 09:49 PM
How can you say that Davis cup is an unimportant event????? Davis cup is one of the most if not the most important event to have. Its like saying that World cup in soccer is not the most important event.

I said this already yesterday in another thread, Davis Cup and FIFA World Cup are almost ehxibition tournaments, those tournaments aren't players' usual business. The usual business for tennis players is individual tournaments and for footballers its the club matches. Comparing tennis and football is somewhat difficult, in tennis you're usually the greater the more titles you have, in football it's not that easy.

But claiming that success in national team tournaments defines the greatness of a player is BS. With that logic, you have to be from a contry with many top players, otherwise you won't win titles and become great. Only a fraction of great footballers have won World Cup or European Ch'ship. Much bigger precentage of great players have won UEFA Champions League. And I think much smalller percentage of UCL winners are non-great than of World Cup winners. Ice hockey has this right, winning Stanley Cup is most prestigious, you have to be excellent to get into NHL, and especially in the title winning team. To win Olympic Gold, the biggest national team achievement, you don't even have to be an NHL-level player.

Yet, World Cup and European Ch'ships are so prestigious that winning either one of those can make a player great without UCL title. And a great player may be in a wrong team in wrong time, winning no big titles. But, in tennis Davis Cup isn't as prestigious as majors, and that's why it's not something a great player needs to win. By winning multiple slams you can show you're great. And, as slams are individual events, you can't have a bad team as an excuse. If you're preformances in DC have been really great, you're probably a slam winner. Or if you aren't you're DC performances haven't been really great, or you're a slam choker.

Winning DC is probably a great moment in a player's career, but unless you had some outstanding performances in DC, DC title itself doesn't make you a great player. And that applier to football titles also.

star
02-11-2012, 09:52 PM
All Wawrinka's fault this. Definitely. Fed should have played with a doubles specialist. Also he put Fed under pressure by losing yesterday. Stan you disgrace!!!!!!!! :mad:

Fed agrees with you. He had this to say speaking in French.

"I played well enough in doubles, but Stanislas not so much," Federer said, adding that Wawrinka "didn't have his best match in singles. It's a shame, because of that defeat we weren't able to put the U.S under pressure.”

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmdP5YU1v5P4dEqMxn47A2UTdQGA?docId=ccac9a77d c9c4851add3d2331ae29a85

tangerine_dream
02-11-2012, 10:01 PM
^^ I have this image of Roger giving Stan the 'shame on you' finger wag. :lol:


A team that actually cares about winning Davis Cup beats a team that treats it like it's an outing? What a shocker.
IKR? Roger talks a good game but his body language betrays him, he simply doesn't care about DC. Seeing him fade away in that last set vs Isner isn't something he normally does when a slam is at stake, unless he's facing Nadal.

That, and I think playing under pressure in front of the home crowd—the expectation that Switzerland would blow the USA off the clay court—ended up hurting rather than helping them. The same exact thing happened to the USA when Spain destroyed them in Texas last year.


Great win for the US. Can't believe they chose to play this on clay. Many thanks to the Swiss! Note for the future, play on YOUR best surface!!
I love how countries automatically throw the USA on clay, as if that hobbled them completely. In this instance it was probably a good choice for Switzerland since both Roger and Stan can play on clay but the problem was with the court itself, which was so bad that it ended up favoring the Americans. Whoopsie daisy. :superlol:

On top of that, USA now has a DC captain that knows how to play and win on clay better than anyone.

Isner was the DC hero this weekend. :worship:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2d7br6a.gif

Black Adam
02-11-2012, 10:04 PM
LOL

I like how people pretend Wawa sucks in doubles when he's won Olympic gold in doubles.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-11-2012, 10:06 PM
USA now has a DC captain that knows how to play and win on clay better than anyone.

This.

Black Adam
02-11-2012, 10:10 PM
I said this already yesterday in another thread, Davis Cup and FIFA World Cup are almost ehxibition tournaments, those tournaments aren't players' usual business. The usual business for tennis players is individual tournaments and for footballers its the club matches. Comparing tennis and football is somewhat difficult, in tennis you're usually the greater the more titles you have, in football it's not that easy.

But claiming that success in national team tournaments defines the greatness of a player is BS. With that logic, you have to be from a contry with many top players, otherwise you won't win titles and become great. Only a fraction of great footballers have won World Cup or European Ch'ship. Much bigger precentage of great players have won UEFA Champions League. And I think much smalller percentage of UCL winners are non-great than of World Cup winners. Ice hockey has this right, winning Stanley Cup is most prestigious, you have to be excellent to get into NHL, and especially in the title winning team. To win Olympic Gold, the biggest national team achievement, you don't even have to be an NHL-level player.

Yet, World Cup and European Ch'ships are so prestigious that winning either one of those can make a player great without UCL title. And a great player may be in a wrong team in wrong time, winning no big titles. But, in tennis Davis Cup isn't as prestigious as majors, and that's why it's not something a great player needs to win. By winning multiple slams you can show you're great. And, as slams are individual events, you can't have a bad team as an excuse. If you're preformances in DC have been really great, you're probably a slam winner. Or if you aren't you're DC performances haven't been really great, or you're a slam choker.

Winning DC is probably a great moment in a player's career, but unless you had some outstanding performances in DC, DC title itself doesn't make you a great player. And that applier to football titles also.

Messi won't be in GOAT talk as long as he hasn't won a World Cup. Hell, Cruyff suffers in that talk because of failure to win the big one.

samanosuke
02-11-2012, 10:10 PM
On top of that, USA now has a DC captain that knows how to play and win on clay better than anyone.





I hear Andorra will appoint Borg-Sampras duo for next season . they will be unbeatable anywhere

star
02-11-2012, 10:12 PM
^^ I have this image of Roger giving Stan the 'shame on you' finger wag. :lol:



Funny that you should bring up the finger. :lol:

Here’s the paragraph above the one I quoted.

Later, speaking in French to Swiss media, Federer appeared less gracious. He claimed not to be too disappointed while pointing a finger at Wawrinka, who slumped back in his chair looking every inch the junior partner in the relationship.

Corey Feldman
02-11-2012, 10:15 PM
Tangy in dreamland

has had to wait 9 years for a day like this

USA now has a DC captain that knows how to play and win on clay better than anyone.Inser and Fish heading to the Roland Garros semis this year! lolz

star
02-11-2012, 10:17 PM
Tangy in dreamland

has had to wait 9 years for a day like this

Inser and Fish heading to the Roland Garros semis this year! lolz

Now that would be fun!!

August
02-11-2012, 10:18 PM
Messi won't be in GOAT talk as long as he hasn't won a World Cup. Hell, Cruyff suffers in that talk because of failure to win the big one.

That's because Argentina has a team capable to win World Cup. Jari Limanen was one of world's best players at his peak, yet nobody can claim him not winning World Cup. For Litmanen, even qualifying for World Cup or European Ch'ships would've been as great an achievement than winning the World Cup for Messi.

Your chances to succeed in FIFA World Cup as well as in Davis Cup depend much on your teammates.

Black Adam
02-11-2012, 10:20 PM
Roger Federer has no business losing to an American on clay. I'll even go as far as to say that if he even remotely tried, the US team would have at least not swept the Swiss out of the Davis Cup.


He got bageled on clay by Spadea.

tangerine_dream
02-11-2012, 10:20 PM
Funny that you should bring up the finger. :lol:

Here’s the paragraph above the one I quoted.

"Later, speaking in French to Swiss media, Federer appeared less gracious. He claimed not to be too disappointed while pointing a finger at Wawrinka, who slumped back in his chair looking every inch the junior partner in the relationship."

:haha: It's just as I thought.

Roger
http://www.corvetteconti.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/smiley-yell.gif


Stan
http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/scolding-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

niksonion
02-11-2012, 10:20 PM
Well,I can tell You something-when we speak about John Isner on clay,there are always memories about 2 unforgettable efforts of him: against Nole,on clay in Arena,1st round Davis Cup 2010 rubber 4 ( 5 sets of cruel fight),and eppic 5setter agains rafa at French open 2011.Now this...Johny,what a man you became

star
02-11-2012, 10:23 PM
Well,I can tell You something-when we speak about John Isner on clay,there are always memories about 2 unforgettable efforts of him: against Nole,on clay in Arena,1st round Davis Cup 2010 rubber 4 ( 5 sets of cruel fight),and eppic 5setter agains rafa at French open 2011.Now this...Johny,what a man you became

Because in the tie with Columbia (I think it was Columbia), he lost on clay from being two sets up. :( :( :(

Black Adam
02-11-2012, 10:25 PM
The WTF is a MM event.

Always learning with the tards.
Nole and Murray were tied by WTF last year. Fact.

SetSampras
02-11-2012, 10:27 PM
Ahhh... For the first time in over decade, it actually feels GOOD to be an american right now. Fed loses to Isner on clay? Wow

lucyfur
02-11-2012, 10:32 PM
Funny that you should bring up the finger. :lol:

Here’s the paragraph above the one I quoted.

Later, speaking in French to Swiss media, Federer appeared less gracious. He claimed not to be too disappointed while pointing a finger at Wawrinka, who slumped back in his chair looking every inch the junior partner in the relationship.

Stan put up more of a fight against Fish, than Fed did with Isner.

Ozone
02-11-2012, 10:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw

lucyfur
02-11-2012, 10:35 PM
Ahhh... For the first time in over decade, it actually feels GOOD to be an american right now. Fed loses to Isner on clay? Wow

it's the end of the world as we know it.:bounce:



and I feel fine.

NID
02-11-2012, 10:37 PM
Isner took Nole to five on clay which looked awful, almost like they were playing on beach. He showed great heart, in front of 15000 fans who were partisan to the bone, and ever since I hold him in particular regard. Sure, he has his physical limits, and is not perfect gamewise, but he is a really cool guy and a good player. Perhaps, just perhaps, people will not attribute this win to Fed 'not giving a damn about DC'. The moment you step on court, there are no excuses. Neither for Nole against Del Potro this autumn, nor for Fed against John.

NID
02-11-2012, 10:42 PM
10 Feb 2012 - John Isner (USA) talks after losing :confused: to Roger Federer (SUI) 46 63 76(4) 62


sLenQZKvSoI

Time Violation
02-11-2012, 10:49 PM
Tangy in dreamland

has had to wait 9 years for a day like this

Inser and Fish heading to the Roland Garros semis this year! lolz

If Isner could take out Fed and play 5 setter with Nadal, I don't see why he couldn't make it to the semis, nothing funny about that :)

Evitman
02-11-2012, 11:22 PM
I reckon that Roger will never win a big tournament again. From a huge Fedfan.

FedFan
02-11-2012, 11:38 PM
The WTF is a MM event.

Always learning with the tards.

:worship:

Mr.Michael
02-11-2012, 11:48 PM
Pretty harsh words from Fed. Does any Swiss press actually quote him criticizing Wawrinka? Stan won't be feeling too good about that.

Luinir
02-12-2012, 12:00 AM
federer ruins his legacy. i'm not meaning him losing to isner, that could happen... but you shouldn't talk about like that about your teammate, especailly when you weren't good either.

njnetswill
02-12-2012, 12:32 AM
Inser and Fish heading to the Roland Garros semis this year! lolz

If Henman can...:shrug:

Ash86
02-12-2012, 12:35 AM
Pretty harsh words from Fed. Does any Swiss press actually quote him criticizing Wawrinka? Stan won't be feeling too good about that.

Tweets from a Swiss journalist at the presser (https://twitter.com/#!/svenja_sportch):

#federer critized wawrinka more than once. I mean c'mon, he also lost two matches

In response to another journalist asking this journalist on twitter "tetchy in Fribourg?" after his previous tweet, he said:

yes... but roger is "in great form" and "playing well"...

today I got the feeling that #federer was kind of relieved he won't have to play davis cup in april. can focus on slams and olympics

said stan didn't play well on friday more than once. as if it was only his fault. strange

Wonder if Fed & Stan will be defending that doubles gold?! The worst part is that in today's presser Stan was apparently sitting right next to him! Bizarre reaction from Roger... Yet he is lauded as "classy" and deserving of winning the Stefan Edberg sportsmanship award year after year... Comments like today alone should disqualify him from that. You don't throw your doubles partner under the bus like that... They were both on court.

allpro
02-12-2012, 12:37 AM
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2835/teamusa.jpg

well done.

kafkavert
02-12-2012, 12:38 AM
With a grass player like Federer they choose clay? Clay????? A 100% fescue grass court would be fast like wood!

Jimnik
02-12-2012, 12:39 AM
http://www.daviscup.com/en/news/articles/usa-oust-fed-led-swiss.aspx

Federer: "This is not a set-back nor a step forward. This is nothing".

Mongoose
02-12-2012, 12:47 AM
being discussed in too many other threads. needs its own thread. Big bombshell, this.

"I played well enough in doubles, but Stanislas not so much," Federer said, adding that Wawrinka "didn't have his best match in singles. It's a shame, because of that defeat (Wawrinka's loss to Fish) we weren't able to put the U.S under pressure."

Looner
02-12-2012, 12:51 AM
Can you give a link to this supposed "truth". Like the actual presser. If it's an article from some Wilander-like journo on MTF haters are likely to believe. If true, wrong on Fed but whatever. He is entitled to be frustrated as he always feels the pressure to win all his matches and more often than not Switzerland lose anyway.

Jimnik
02-12-2012, 12:51 AM
Ruffling up some feathers. I like it.

Sunset of Age
02-12-2012, 12:52 AM
Trollollol. :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Pirata.
02-12-2012, 12:54 AM
Roger :haha:

MuzzahLovah
02-12-2012, 12:54 AM
Sportsmanship :o

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:55 AM
Harsh but true. But then again, he didn't do much better. Swiss mugs :o.

Pirata.
02-12-2012, 12:55 AM
Federer was magnanimous in defeat. “I thought we actually played pretty well,” he said, “it was again a high standard of match from both sides, with not much between us. We had our chances but maybe they were a touch better than us, and that shows in the score. We played well for a long time, but we had a couple of games when we struggled a bit too much. But they did well and got the victory they deserved over the weekend.”

http://www.daviscup.com/en/news/articles/usa-oust-fed-led-swiss.aspx

:shrug:

r3d_d3v1l_
02-12-2012, 12:57 AM
Maybe Mugrinka really just needs to get some slapping from the GOAT to get his ideas in check.

MuzzahLovah
02-12-2012, 12:57 AM
Can you give a link to this supposed "truth". Like the actual presser. If it's an article from some Wilander-like journo on MTF haters are likely to believe. If true, wrong on Fed but whatever. He is entitled to be frustrated as he always feels the pressure to win all his matches and more often than not Switzerland lose anyway.

Regardless of the pressure, losing to Isner is all on him. You'd think a 16time Grand Slam champion would be better under pressure.

FedFan
02-12-2012, 01:02 AM
The whole discussion is nothing more than a storm in a waterglass. To tell the truth, Wawrinka has often played like sh...in Daviscup, but in the doubles today Roger did not play much better than Stan.

spencercarlos
02-12-2012, 01:03 AM
being discussed in too many other threads. needs its own thread. Big bombshell, this.

"I played well enough in doubles, but Stanislas not so much," Federer said, adding that Wawrinka "didn't have his best match in singles. It's a shame, because of that defeat (Wawrinka's loss to Fish) we weren't able to put the U.S under pressure."
Way to get ridiculous Roger, i mean, you are as much responsable as Stan. In fact Wawa took his loss in five sets 10-8 , while Federer lost tamely 6-2 in the fourth set.

Mongoose
02-12-2012, 01:05 AM
Can you give a link to this supposed "truth". Like the actual presser. If it's an article from some Wilander-like journo on MTF haters are likely to believe. If true, wrong on Fed but whatever. He is entitled to be frustrated as he always feels the pressure to win all his matches and more often than not Switzerland lose anyway.

any simple reading of any Davis Cup news article will lead you to what your are looking for :wavey:

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:05 AM
Face it, Rogie is a sore loser :baby:.

Friday16
02-12-2012, 01:12 AM
strange. i've read his english and german press, he said we played well but the other team was better. we had some touble but i'm still proud etc.. and he spoke to French press like that?

star
02-12-2012, 01:12 AM
http://www.daviscup.com/en/news/articles/usa-oust-fed-led-swiss.aspx

Federer: "This is not a set-back nor a step forward. This is nothing".

:lol:

Thanks for the confirmation, Fed. :hatoff:

lucyfur
02-12-2012, 01:13 AM
Can you give a link to this supposed "truth". Like the actual presser. If it's an article from some Wilander-like journo on MTF haters are likely to believe. If true, wrong on Fed but whatever. He is entitled to be frustrated as he always feels the pressure to win all his matches and more often than not Switzerland lose anyway.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...d3d2331ae29a85

star
02-12-2012, 01:16 AM
strange. i've read his english and german press, he said we played well but the other team was better. we had some touble but i'm still proud etc.. and he spoke to French press like that?

Interesting isn’t it?

There are tweets from swiss journalists about the Fed criticizing Stan. They’re in the thread about the tie.

The quote the OP cites is from an associated press article. I gave the ink in another thread.

Here. I looked it up.

The post about the tweets: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=11732299&postcount=142

The link to the article containing the quote: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmdP5YU1v5P4dEqMxn47A2UTdQGA?docId=ccac9a77d c9c4851add3d2331ae29a85

Raferminator
02-12-2012, 01:33 AM
being discussed in too many other threads. needs its own thread. Big bombshell, this.

"I played well enough in doubles, but Stanislas not so much," Federer said, adding that Wawrinka "didn't have his best match in singles. It's a shame, because of that defeat (Wawrinka's loss to Fish) we weren't able to put the U.S under pressure."

So Muger Frauderer pulls YET another manipulative political move to avoid the castastrophe at hand. :mad: Muger plays the Blame Game and abandons Wawa at the press conference, trying to pretend that he feels anguish. He is startled at the calls and demands of the Fedtards, throws down all his food at the banquet and keeps a close eye on all that he owns while leaving all others to languish... Is this what makes you happy, Muger? Is this what brings you joy? Your excuses are all so crappy...silly boy.

Frauderer takes in all the love from brain-dead Fedtards and throws it aside to wallow in his fellow player's sorrow. Expect everyone to know how you feel inside, Muger? To forgive and forget come tomorrow repaying all your debts with selfish pride whilst denying that you ever borrowed? Is this what makes you perfect, Muger? Is this what makes you free? Just how long did you rehearse it, Muger, or does this facade just come naturally?

Will you continue to do it until all your true friends are simply bored with the pretense? It'll be too late then to discover just exactly what you meant and what was true and what was false...the wolf turned into a human, the killer with remorse. Muger, you're nothing but a vicious wolf from the depth of your sheep's heart, crying fire from the depth of the well in an endless parade of repeat starts. Just how long will this last, Muger, can you tell?

And when all of your true "friends" have gone away, unwilling to put up with the danger of your lies for each spiteful word you say, you'll be left a greying wolf in a manger. And when you've raised your last howl and destroyed all the people that are around you, you'll be left a lonely man. And when it's nearly finished and you know the end is near with true sorrow undiminished there'll be no-one left but the shallow, zombied Fedtards left to hear. Fraduerer's desperate lies, they all come out as bleats: you thought you were a wolf-man, Muger, but really......you're just a sheep. :mad:

Naudio Spanlatine
02-12-2012, 01:43 AM
So Muger Frauderer pulls YET another manipulative political move to avoid the castastrophe at hand. :mad: Muger plays the Blame Game and abandons Wawa at the press conference, trying to pretend that he feels anguish. He is startled at the calls and demands of the Fedtards, throws down all his food at the banquet and keeps a close eye on all that he owns while leaving all others to languish... Is this what makes you happy, Muger? Is this what brings you joy? Your excuses are all so crappy...silly boy.

Frauderer takes in all the love from brain-dead Fedtards and throws it aside to wallow in his fellow player's sorrow. Expect everyone to know how you feel inside, Muger? To forgive and forget come tomorrow repaying all your debts with selfish pride whilst denying that you ever borrowed? Is this what makes you perfect, Muger? Is this what makes you free? Just how long did you rehearse it, Muger, or does this facade just come naturally?

Will you continue to do it until all your true friends are simply bored with the pretense? It'll be too late then to discover just exactly what you meant and what was true and what was false...the wolf turned into a human, the killer with remorse. Muger, you're nothing but a vicious wolf from the depth of your sheep's heart, crying fire from the depth of the well in an endless parade of repeat starts. Just how long will this last, Muger, can you tell?

And when all of your true "friends" have gone away, unwilling to put up with the danger of your lies for each spiteful word you say, you'll be left a greying wolf in a manger. And when you've raised your last howl and destroyed all the people that are around you, you'll be left a lonely man. And when it's nearly finished and you know the end is near with true sorrow undiminished there'll be no-one left but the shallow, zombied Fedtards left to hear. Fraduerer's desperate lies, they all come out as bleats: you thought you were a wolf-man, Muger, but really......you're just a sheep. :mad:

And Rafeminator is here:inlove: :dance:

Its me your girl Dee a.k.a. formerly NadalMyhero:angel:

arm
02-12-2012, 01:52 AM
Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award worthy. 2012 in the bag. :sport:

Raferminator
02-12-2012, 02:07 AM
And Rafeminator is here:inlove: :dance:

Its me your girl Dee a.k.a. formerly NadalMyhero:angel:

Namaste, Dee, you Spartan Warrior Goddess! :hug: I only can find time to visit on the weekends as always, but noticed you changed your name and have been reading your fine posts. :cool:

Muger has sunken to a new low, while a gentleman like Rafa continues to show all people on earth what a REAL champion is like. VAMOS !!!

Naudio Spanlatine
02-12-2012, 02:16 AM
Namaste, Dee, you Spartan Warrior Goddess! :hug: I only can find time to visit on the weekends as always, but noticed you changed your name and have been reading your fine posts. :cool:

Muger has sunken to a new low, while a gentleman like Rafa continues to show all people on earth what a REAL champion is like. VAMOS !!!

Spartan Warrior Goddess, i like that:angel:. Yea its a brand new year so i had to change something lol. But things have been ok for me so far.:)

Oh yes ive been a very good girl lately:D

Rafa was always more of a gentleman than Fedster:sport:

VAMOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rocker2:
http://worldbestsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Rafael-Nadal.jpg

SetSampras
02-12-2012, 02:23 AM
Why did Olderer even bother showing up? Sheiit.. No excuse to losing to the American Mugs at the davis. None at all. This is the weakest MUG field America has ever had and I'm speaking as an american.

Fucking retire Olderer. Stop embarrassing yourself. Losing to some big mug like Isner on slow clay is unacceptable at the Davis Cup.

Well not everyone can be The Great Pistol Sampras and destroy the opposition on slow clay at the Davis Cup single handidly

rickcastle
02-12-2012, 02:42 AM
Face it, Rogie is a sore loser :baby:.

Yep. I like the guy. Favorite player and all that. But I can't deny his lack of graciousness when he loses. Gracious winner but terrible loser. But I guess you don't get to 16 slams by liking the feeling of losing, if he can just convert that anger in losses into energy to beating Nadal then that would be great.

MIMIC
02-12-2012, 02:57 AM
Fed agrees with you. He had this to say speaking in French.



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmdP5YU1v5P4dEqMxn47A2UTdQGA?docId=ccac9a77d c9c4851add3d2331ae29a85

Arrogant piece of shit. How the FUCK did this guy ever win an award based on SPORTSMANSHIP? Hopefully he'll win it again this year so it can be even MORE meaningless and undeserved.

tripwires
02-12-2012, 03:15 AM
Arrogant piece of shit. How the FUCK did this guy ever win an award based on SPORTSMANSHIP? Hopefully he'll win it again this year so it can be even MORE meaningless and undeserved.

Hopefully Nole wins it so that the award regains all meaning. :hearts:

rocketassist
02-12-2012, 03:21 AM
both guys are responsible.

all of the 3 losses (even the doubles) should be considered upsets for the swiss. the biggest one being isner beating federer on clay.

Fed agrees with you. He had this to say speaking in French.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmdP5YU1v5P4dEqMxn47A2UTdQGA?docId=ccac9a77d c9c4851add3d2331ae29a85

Learn what fuckin' sarcasm is, DOH. Just like the WTA spanner at the start of the thread.

MIMIC
02-12-2012, 03:26 AM
Hopefully Nole wins it so that the award regains all meaning. :hearts:

If I were Novak, I'd throw it in the trash. As demonstrated by its recipient, it means SHIT and should be treated as such.

leng jai
02-12-2012, 03:33 AM
Nole should throw his Wimbledon trophies in the trash as well then. Both tainted beyond repair.

Ajde.

Yolita
02-12-2012, 04:41 AM
Can you give a link to this supposed "truth". Like the actual presser. If it's an article from some Wilander-like journo on MTF haters are likely to believe. If true, wrong on Fed but whatever. He is entitled to be frustrated as he always feels the pressure to win all his matches and more often than not Switzerland lose anyway.

It's from the Associated Press.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmdP5YU1v5P4dEqMxn47A2UTdQGA?docId=ccac9a77d c9c4851add3d2331ae29a85

He is entitled to be frustrated, but he should think of his partner too.

You don't put all the blame on your partner. Wawrinka lost to a top ten player, ranked higher than him, in 5 sets, 9-7 in the 5th. Roger lost to a lower ranked player in 4 sets. That was the real upset. And he still puts the blame on Wawrinka?

If that's the way he treats the guy he won an Olympic Gold with, how does he treat other people? :lol: :lol:

Pirata.
02-12-2012, 04:48 AM
Muger has sunken to a new low, while a gentleman like Rafa continues to show all people on earth what a REAL champion is like. VAMOS !!!

:facepalm:

Does anybody have an actual link to what he said to the French press instead of hearsay from an English article?

Hewitt =Legend
02-12-2012, 04:50 AM
Nole is the only true gentleman left in this sport.

Ajde.

Pirata.
02-12-2012, 04:52 AM
Ajde.

Yolita
02-12-2012, 05:09 AM
:facepalm:

Does anybody have an actual link to what he said to the French press instead of hearsay from an English article?

I don't consider the Associated Press hearsay. One of the most prestigious news organisations. The fact that you would like it to be hearsay says it all... it's too shocking, isn't it?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmdP5YU1v5P4dEqMxn47A2UTdQGA?docId=ccac9a77d c9c4851add3d2331ae29a85

But I may be able to post another link in French tomorrow evening. I was talking about it to a French friend on Twitter, she loves Federer, she was distraught and was trying to find excuses for his behaviour, but she loves Wawrinka too, so she was finding it difficult. I asked for the link to the French article, but she had already gone to sleep. Tomorrow I'll be out, but in the evening I'll check to see if she answered my request.

But that's extra, The Associated Press has very high standards. :)

MIMIC
02-12-2012, 05:30 AM
:facepalm:

Does anybody have an actual link to what he said to the French press instead of hearsay from an English article?

:stupid:

Naudio Spanlatine
02-12-2012, 05:35 AM
Nole is the one of the true gentlemen left in this sport.

Ajde.

Fixed.:nerner:

Vamos.:sport:

shiaben
02-12-2012, 05:38 AM
Can't believe Isner upset Federer. Serious respect to him.

Pirata.
02-12-2012, 05:45 AM
I don't consider the Associated Press hearsay. One of the most prestigious news organisations. The fact that you would like it to be hearsay says it all... it's too shocking, isn't it?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmdP5YU1v5P4dEqMxn47A2UTdQGA?docId=ccac9a77d c9c4851add3d2331ae29a85

But I may be able to post another link in French tomorrow evening. I was talking about it to a French friend on Twitter, she loves Federer, she was distraught and was trying to find excuses for his behaviour, but she loves Wawrinka too, so she was finding it difficult. I asked for the link to the French article, but she had already gone to sleep. Tomorrow I'll be out, but in the evening I'll check to see if she answered my request.

But that's extra, The Associated Press has very high standards. :)

I know the AP is prestigious, but when you get quotes from foreign language sources, it's always good to see where it was said--there was something here with Rafa where he said something to Spanish press, the English press took it and ran with it, when what he said to the Spanish source was completely different.

However, let's be real, Roger is not known for his tact and humility when he loses, to put it lightly :lol:


:stupid:

:rolleyes:

*bunny*
02-12-2012, 06:17 AM
Sorry wrong thread. :lol:

tripwires
02-12-2012, 06:23 AM
If I were Novak, I'd throw it in the trash. As demonstrated by its recipient, it means SHIT and should be treated as such.

Nadal?

dabeast
02-12-2012, 07:10 AM
nothing like dissecting stuff from Fed's post-match presser to get the Nadtards out of their hidey-holes :tape:

too good from the Americans :yeah: terrible loss but we'll see if Rog decides to play Rotterdam.

dabeast
02-12-2012, 07:16 AM
Arrogant piece of shit. How the FUCK did this guy ever win an award based on SPORTSMANSHIP? Hopefully he'll win it again this year so it can be even MORE meaningless and undeserved.

no worries, if Djoker ever wins the Edberg award, the trophy will be in the shape of an egg.

masterclass
02-12-2012, 07:56 AM
I don't know about the "hearsay quote", but in this video you can see and hear what they have to say. Looks like everything is WE as it should be in doubles unless you speak about your own game. They are both visibly disappointed. What can one say? The loss is handled gracefully.

H3C-xbkX5Oo

Respectfully,
masterclass

Ash86
02-12-2012, 09:52 AM
Yes in the English interviews he said "we". But earlier on quotes from a Swiss journalist at the press conference were posted which confirm that Federer threw Stan under a bus - are we saying that guy (and the AP) are making up stuff about a national hero? Nadal says different things in English than in Spanish and has got caught out (see his comments about Federer and the calendar at the Australian Open...) - there's no denying Federer made the comments when respected organisations have flat out quoted him and people have confirmed it who were there.

Plus is this out of character for Fed? Not really. His fans have to accept this is a flaw he has - he's rarely good at accepting losses gracefully. For some reason his losses to Nadal are the few that he's happy to accept & will praise Nadal's play & even say they were great memorable matches - that attitude perhaps says a lot about his attitude to the rivalry over the years...

LoveFifteen
02-12-2012, 10:38 AM
Vintage Diva-rer in the post-match press conference, giving answers that embody everything I can't stand about him. Thank God ESPN fired Mary Carillo, or I'd have to hear her praising Federer's incredible humility and classiness during Indian Wells in a few weeks.

And I'm sure this diva will win the Edberg Award yet again. :hysteric:

Corey Feldman
02-12-2012, 10:41 AM
wish Fed had called out Wawrinka, he is a joke a beyond pathetic Davis cup partner

if Fed had any sense he'd dump Davis Cup, dont flog the dead horse anymore

masterclass
02-12-2012, 10:42 AM
Yes in the English interviews he said "we". But earlier on quotes from a Swiss journalist at the press conference were posted which confirm that Federer threw Stan under a bus - are we saying that guy (and the AP) are making up stuff about a national hero? Nadal says different things in English than in Spanish and has got caught out (see his comments about Federer and the calendar at the Australian Open...) - there's no denying Federer made the comments when respected organisations have flat out quoted him and people have confirmed it who were there.

Plus is this out of character for Fed? Not really. His fans have to accept this is a flaw he has - he's rarely good at accepting losses gracefully. For some reason his losses to Nadal are the few that he's happy to accept & will praise Nadal's play & even say they were great memorable matches - that attitude perhaps says a lot about his attitude to the rivalry over the years...

I think one has to be quite careful in referring to excerpted and interpretive quotes. They can be taken out of context and massaged by the author to provide a somewhat more provocative narrative - as provocative sells. If possible, I like to have the interview in its entirety (Question: ... Answer: ....) without the interpreted remarks and cut up quotes.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate any verbatim interview. But here is one of the interpretive quotes I was able to find from the Swiss newspaper website Le Temps:

Original article (http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/7a75ce54-54c9-11e1-af0b-4c69c70e67f2/La_Suisse_battue_%C3%A0_plates_coutures_en_Coupe_D avis)
Translated by Google article (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/7a75ce54-54c9-11e1-af0b-4c69c70e67f2/La_Suisse_battue_%25C3%25A0_plates_coutures_en_Cou pe_Davis&ei=1nk3T_SWBsnfsgb0n7igDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CEMQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsuisse%2Bcoupe%2Bdavis%2B2012%2Bdoubl e%2Bwawrinka%2Bvideo%26num%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3 Doff%26prmd%3Dimvns)

I think the Marc Rosset comment on the second page was right on target.
I believe the match was lost well before it was played due to inadequate preparation of the court.

Respectfully,
masterclass

bokehlicious
02-12-2012, 11:02 AM
Great read to wake up to :yeah: haters out in full force, misquoting Fed, that is NID.

Funny thing is that here in Switzerland, nobody gives a rat's ass about that DC loss (DC what??) and everybody still enjoys those 16 slams :hearts:

:wavey:

Mr.Miracle
02-12-2012, 11:08 AM
Can someone tell me if Marco Chiudenelli hits the ball flat or with a lot of spin? His serving and returning abilities? And is his match with Isner being played on the same surface that Isner beat Federer? Thnx.

Yolita
02-12-2012, 02:59 PM
I know the AP is prestigious, but when you get quotes from foreign language sources, it's always good to see where it was said--there was something here with Rafa where he said something to Spanish press, the English press took it and ran with it, when what he said to the Spanish source was completely different.

However, let's be real, Roger is not known for his tact and humility when he loses, to put it lightly :lol:
:rolleyes:

Yes...But going against your own teammates is not cool...Especially Wawrinka, who was on the verge of tears after his loss, 9-7 in the 5th...He fought valiantly till the end...Fish was clutch... Stan didn't deserve those comments.

Here's the link to the article in French. They are not transalating Federer's comments, they are quoting him, since he was talking in French to the Swiss press.

http://www.eurosport.fr/tennis/coupe-davis-1/2012/federer-charge-wawrinka_sto3149831/story.shtml

I love the introduction:

"Certes, Roger Federer n'est pas un grand amateur de l'autocritique en salle de presse..." :lol: :lol:

tennizen
02-12-2012, 03:03 PM
Does Wawrinka understand French? Maybe that's the reason he chose the French press to reveal his real thoughts.

Sunset of Age
02-12-2012, 03:05 PM
Does Wawrinka understand French? Maybe that's the reason he chose the French press to reveal his real thoughts.

He comes from the French-speaking part of Switzerland as far as I know. So it's his first language.

allpro
02-12-2012, 03:05 PM
auf wiederluege

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/snappyts/Sweep.gif

MuzzahLovah
02-12-2012, 03:20 PM
Lol at the Fedtards. Fed being ungracious in French doesn't mean it didn't happen!

Yolita
02-12-2012, 03:24 PM
Does Wawrinka understand French? Maybe that's the reason he chose the French press to reveal his real thoughts.
Roger and Stan speak French to each other. He understood. He was sitting there looking miserable, in front of the Swiss press.

However way you look at it, it wasn't a nice thing for Roger to do. Especially to his "friend".

I don't particularly care. Roger was a sore loser since he was very young, and he continued to be one. You cannot be a champion like him if you don't absolutely hate losing.

But I'm glad the mask of the perfect gentleman is coming off. It was a fabrication of the media, and the more Roger loses, the harder it gets to sell that particular product.

Nobody can dispute that he's one of the best players ever to play the game. Isn't that enough? It should be...

MuzzahLovah
02-12-2012, 03:28 PM
Also, anyone see the Harrison match? How did he look?

SapELee
02-12-2012, 03:51 PM
Also, anyone see the Harrison match? How did he look?


+1

Johnny Groove
02-12-2012, 03:55 PM
I think one has to be quite careful in referring to excerpted and interpretive quotes. They can be taken out of context and massaged by the author to provide a somewhat more provocative narrative - as provocative sells. If possible, I like to have the interview in its entirety (Question: ... Answer: ....) without the interpreted remarks and cut up quotes.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate any verbatim interview. But here is one of the interpretive quotes I was able to find from the Swiss newspaper website Le Temps:

Original article (http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/7a75ce54-54c9-11e1-af0b-4c69c70e67f2/La_Suisse_battue_%C3%A0_plates_coutures_en_Coupe_D avis)
Translated by Google article (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/7a75ce54-54c9-11e1-af0b-4c69c70e67f2/La_Suisse_battue_%25C3%25A0_plates_coutures_en_Cou pe_Davis&ei=1nk3T_SWBsnfsgb0n7igDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CEMQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsuisse%2Bcoupe%2Bdavis%2B2012%2Bdoubl e%2Bwawrinka%2Bvideo%26num%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3 Doff%26prmd%3Dimvns)

I think the Marc Rosset comment on the second page was right on target.
I believe the match was lost well before it was played due to inadequate preparation of the court.

Respectfully,
masterclass

The Swiss have only themselves to blame for that.

Great read to wake up to :yeah: haters out in full force, misquoting Fed, that is NID.

Funny thing is that here in Switzerland, nobody gives a rat's ass about that DC loss (DC what??) and everybody still enjoys those 16 slams :hearts:

:wavey:

Of course they don't care about Davis Cup, because they always lose. Worse bandwagoners than us Americans :lol:

Just like heaven
02-12-2012, 04:01 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz9c2xscN51qjat4wo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1329148781&Signature=gkjsk5LQU9uTKlLS97Zv9xsk%2FnM%3D

masterclass
02-12-2012, 04:15 PM
Yes...But going against your own teammates is not cool...Especially Wawrinka, who was on the verge of tears after his loss, 9-7 in the 5th...He fought valiantly till the end...Fish was clutch... Stan didn't deserve those comments.

Here's the link to the article in French. They are not transalating Federer's comments, they are quoting him, since he was talking in French to the Swiss press.

http://www.eurosport.fr/tennis/coupe-davis-1/2012/federer-charge-wawrinka_sto3149831/story.shtml

I love the introduction:

"Certes, Roger Federer n'est pas un grand amateur de l'autocritique en salle de presse..." :lol: :lol:

As I said in my earlier post #193, one has to be careful taking excerpted quotes as gospel. Taken out of context, they can be manipulated to make anyone look worse. That's why I like the verbatim - Question: Answer: transcripts; no wiggle room for interpretation.

One also has to be mindful of the political/ethnic bias in reporting. As a rule, the French speaking Swiss have no love for German speaking Swiss and will often distort the facts to make things more provocative. Obviously the haters will take provocative statements like that and run with it.

I recall visiting Geneva awhile back and a German associate of mine asked for mustard on his hot dog (couldn't remember the word in French, so asked in German) and got the dirtiest look you can imagine from the Swiss French hot dog seller and was ignored until I finally asked in French. Even now, World War 2 memories linger in the minds of many French.

All that said, I would not be surprised if Mr. Federer critiqued or made an honest assessment of the match that contained references to Stan's broken service games in the doubles match. But as a team player, he should refrain from criticizing his teammates publicly.

This is no attempt to defend or excuse his statements, I'm only offering an explanation.
Mr. Federer was #1 for a long time. That generates an aura of invincibility. Players go to great lengths to maintain that aura as long as possible as it gives them an edge. Mr. Federer is clearly not the only one to do so. They almost all do it in one way or another. They will find almost any reason to avoid saying that they played badly without reason. It is a psychological necessity.

Respectfully,
masterclass

MuzzahLovah
02-12-2012, 04:21 PM
:haha: Masterclass is such a Fedtard- as if these comments are so out of character they much be a production of a Francophone conspiracy! Fed is ungracious in victory and defeat, to his opponents and teammates as always. He's simply arrogant- that's why despite losing to Nadal all those years at Roland Garros he never got a coach to help him on clay or significantly alter his game.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-12-2012, 04:24 PM
Admit it Fedtards, he was wrong for saying those things, but i get Fed is your God and he is always right:rolleyes:

masterclass
02-12-2012, 04:24 PM
The Swiss have only themselves to blame for that.


Totally agree. Seems like they could have had the court ready to evaluate by the players in December during the off time and would have had time to make adjustments. Why they didn't, I don't know. The Swiss are generally very laid back, very neutral, this might explain it. Perhaps they just accepted it and convinced themselves they could adjust.
Who knows?

Respectfully,
masterclass

Felipe Abe
02-12-2012, 04:27 PM
Still trying to think with the choose clay instead of hard.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 04:27 PM
Federer is the most disgusting sore loser I have ever seen in my life.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 04:32 PM
Roger and Stan speak French to each other. He understood. He was sitting there looking miserable, in front of the Swiss press.

However way you look at it, it wasn't a nice thing for Roger to do. Especially to his "friend".

I don't particularly care. Roger was a sore loser since he was very young, and he continued to be one. You cannot be a champion like him if you don't absolutely hate losing.

But I'm glad the mask of the perfect gentleman is coming off. It was a fabrication of the media, and the more Roger loses, the harder it gets to sell that particular product.

Nobody can dispute that he's one of the best players ever to play the game. Isn't that enough? It should be...

Not really. Because that also makes him a sore winner. Starting to question whether he deserves those 16 GS's now....

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 04:32 PM
Totally agree. Seems like they could have had the court ready to evaluate by the players in December during the off time and would have had time to make adjustments. Why they didn't, I don't know. The Swiss are generally very laid back, very neutral, this might explain it. Perhaps they just accepted it and convinced themselves they could adjust.
Who knows?

Respectfully,
masterclass

Doesn't sound very Swiss to me :confused:

Thought the sterotype was that everything has to be perfect and precise, with the Swiss watches, trains that are on time and all :lol:

Just stupid that they decided to play on clay, I think you should always be confident and choose a court that suits your own strenghts, instead of picking one because it's a weakness of the opponent. They had to play the US, 'better play on clay because Americans generally don't like clay.'

If you have (one of) the greatest indoor hardcourt player(s) in your team, and another decent hardcourter, they really should've gone for that. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, isn't it?

Johnny Groove
02-12-2012, 04:39 PM
Maybe they should have played on grass?

Or at least indoors. But Isner's serve indoors? Might have come down to tiebreaks regardless.

masterclass
02-12-2012, 04:40 PM
:haha: Masterclass is such a Fedtard- as if these comments are so out of character they much be a production of a Francophone conspiracy! Fed is ungracious in victory and defeat, to his opponents and teammates as always. He's simply arrogant- that's why despite losing to Nadal all those years at Roland Garros he never got a coach to help him on clay or significantly alter his game.

I think one should read my last and previous post with a more discerning eye.
If anyone has read my posts, I have always stated I'm not anybody's fan, but a fan of good tennis.

And if you look carefully, I am not saying that he didn't say something out of line.
Heck, I come right out and say that he should refrain from criticizing his teammates publicly if that is what he did.

I simply make the point that the quoted source is excerpted, perhaps taken out of context, possibly snipped here and there, and as such must be looked at with a certain amount of suspicion, unless you are one of those that believes everything they read without questioning it. I tried to show how there could be a certain amount of prejudice or bias involved in reporting this. I have tried to find a Swiss German equivalent of this report, but have not as of yet.

It would be worth a lot more to have a verbatim interview transcript as is often available at slam events, but I have yet to see one for this particular interview. If you can research and provide it, it would be most appreciated. And I would say the same about anyone's excerpted sensationalistic quotes. But people these days seem more attracted to the sensational headlines rather than good solid journalism.

Respectfully,
masterclass

masterclass
02-12-2012, 04:51 PM
Doesn't sound very Swiss to me :confused:

Thought the sterotype was that everything has to be perfect and precise, with the Swiss watches, trains that are on time and all :lol:

Just stupid that they decided to play on clay, I think you should always be confident and choose a court that suits your own strenghts, instead of picking one because it's a weakness of the opponent. They had to play the US, 'better play on clay because Americans generally don't like clay.'

If you have (one of) the greatest indoor hardcourt player(s) in your team, and another decent hardcourter, they really should've gone for that. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, isn't it?

:)Agreed.
Though it didn't have to be hard court, whatever court they chose should have had a low bounce and been more consistent (few bad bounces).

Of course it looks obvious in retrospect, but I think Mr. Federer's distaste of the high bounce is well known, especially as contrasted to Mr. Isner's natural affinity for it, so the result should have come as no surprise.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Mystique
02-12-2012, 04:55 PM
Harsh but true. But then again, he didn't do much better. Swiss mugs :o.

This.

I am a Federer fan myself, but lame stuff from him on and off the court. I am surprised however why he said different things in different language interviews:confused: Worst thing sitting right by him :o Embarrassing to say the least.

Its not like he lived upto his ranking himself. Hell Wawrinka was closer to winning against Fish that Fed was against Isner. Fed was terrible himself - though all credit to Isner for taking full advantage of the court and its insane bouce (the Swiss basically made an own goal with that surface).
Okay, perhaps Stan should have finished off Fish but then again, its nothing new that Stan is a Davis Cup chump. He got by Hewitt in Sydney mainly coz of Lleyton's injury. Roger knew the pressure was on him to perform and he didnt. Too bad for him he hasnt better teammates but its nothing he didnt know and should learn to accept by now. He didnt do his job, hasnt the right to say the other guy didnt. And no Roger, you DID NOT play well. Jeez, have SOME respect for your own abilities :rolleyes:

By the way, I am sure Federer cares about DC. Course he wanted to win, otherwise wouldnt have played. Fans who say he just wasnt bothered are just kidding themselves. Of course he cared about this one. Wouldnt have played so soon after AO if otherwise. Just not as much as the likes of Nadal or Djokovic. Could be because he feels his team is anyway not good enough and the Swiss anyway provide no atmosphere in DC.:o The first day tie could well have been held anywhere else in the world except USA.

Anyway, as a Fed fan the Isner loss was definitely disturbing - this crumbling up after the first set seems to be a worrying trend for Roger in BO5, but I am hoping he will recover well - as he has done so often in his career. After Day 1, I was happy the Swiss lost the doubles - rather concentrate on Rotterdam now as for sure Stan wouldnt have beaten Big John anyway:rolleyes:

SheepleBuster
02-12-2012, 06:04 PM
Federer did the right thing with Wawrinka. Stan is talented enough to be top 10 but he is being a little bitch and losing to people who are not even in top 100 talent-wise. But then again, Roger lost to a tree, I mean literally. It's like playing against the wall and getting bageled.

tangerine_dream
02-12-2012, 06:15 PM
USA 5-0 Switzerland now. :worship: A shutout. Complete and TOTAL humiliation for the Swiss at home. The Americans wouldn't even tank a match to make the Swiss team and their fans feel any better. Man, that's cold. :superlol:

GSMnadal
02-12-2012, 06:19 PM
Maybe they should have played on grass?

Or at least indoors. But Isner's serve indoors? Might have come down to tiebreaks regardless.

Grass, in february, in Switzerland of all places? Not going to happen.

duong
02-12-2012, 06:24 PM
Congratulations to the Americans, who were very good :yeah:

Especially sad for Stan for this result, as he said that winning Davis cup was the main goal of his life, together with reaching the WTF (see the link later in this post). Fed obviously has other goals to focus on even if obviously he wanted to win this tie, didn't go to Australia for nothing and he likes the other players' company, which is obvious for everyone sees them during the week.

Fed obviously did his best (except for all who glorify his level of play or cut everything into blablabla) but lost to a better player on the day. Then gets his usual smack in the face from the French speaking media whose journalists have never liked him as a person but have always presented him as a genius tennis-wise, who only loses because making no effort (that's the practical way to explain that the "genius" constantly loses to an "untalented hardworker" like Nadal)... then of course people cry for betrayal when he loses :shrug:

Only Wawrinka knows what they've talked with each other, and that's the only important thing.

Stan knows the Swiss media and criticized them earlier in the week, that they always have their article prepared before they speak, etc :

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=11719693&postcount=143

Vous êtes timide et réservé et on a le sentiment de ne pas bien vous connaître…

– C’est vrai que je suis un peu timide. Je ne me livre pas trop. Mais les conférences de presse d’après match ne favorisent pas l’épanchement. Parce que la plupart des journalistes ont déjà leur article en tête avant de vous avoir parlé. Ils ont analysé le match à votre place en s’appuyant sur les statistiques et ne cherchent pas à comprendre ce qui s’est passé. Alors à quoi bon se livrer et parler plus? Si je dis que j’ai mal, je passe pour la pleureuse qui se cherche des excuses et si je perds contre un joueur moins bien classé, je suis nul et me suis mal entraîné. C’est caricatural mais c’est une des raisons pour lesquelles je suis peu bavard en conférence de presse. C’est bête, j’ai tort sûrement mais ça ne me fait même plus rire.

Fed also knew what he would get in the press and preferred forgetting and focusing on next event ... his "positive attitude" as usual.

Went to press conference just by habitude but his mind was already elsewhere, and when asked relating the match indifferently, passively related some facts ... and of course in the middle one sentence was extracted because it pleased the journalists.

He doesn't care about what they were going to say, neither does Stan (he knows that he will be presented as the "Swiss shy guy who loses" as usual)

masterclass
02-12-2012, 06:27 PM
Maybe they should have played on grass?

Or at least indoors. But Isner's serve indoors? Might have come down to tiebreaks regardless.

Hmm, I don't know if they have an indoor grass court (assume it would be artificial) available in Switzerland with sufficient crowd capacity. I think not. I know for sure that the bigger indoor arenas in Zurich and Geneva were unavailable. Maybe Basel would have been the best choice? But I don't know if that was available either.

Sure Isner has a very good serve indoors, but I think Mr. Federer is one of the best at reading hard serves. He does well against Ivo Karlovic and other big servers, and Karlovic's serve is the biggest. And Mr. Federer's serve on indoor hard is very tricky as well, hard to read, mixes up pace, location, etc. Maybe it would have come down to tiebreaks, hard to say.

Respectfully,
masterclass

duong
02-12-2012, 06:36 PM
Hmm, I don't know if they have an indoor grass court available in Switzerland with sufficient crowd capacity.

In Davis cup, according to the ITF rules, you can only play on a surface where a reasonable number of tournaments are played in your country.

That's why many countries could not play on grass, even if they had a few places where there is grass.

It's also the argument which was used last year by the Spaniards against the surface firstly chosen by the USA for their QF tie.

Sunset of Age
02-12-2012, 06:43 PM
This.

I am a Federer fan myself, but lame stuff from him on and off the court. I am surprised however why he said different things in different language interviews:confused: Worst thing sitting right by him :o Embarrassing to say the least.

Its not like he lived upto his ranking himself. Hell Wawrinka was closer to winning against Fish that Fed was against Isner. Fed was terrible himself - though all credit to Isner for taking full advantage of the court and its insane bouce (the Swiss basically made an own goal with that surface).
Okay, perhaps Stan should have finished off Fish but then again, its nothing new that Stan is a Davis Cup chump. He got by Hewitt in Sydney mainly coz of Lleyton's injury. Roger knew the pressure was on him to perform and he didnt. Too bad for him he hasnt better teammates but its nothing he didnt know and should learn to accept by now. He didnt do his job, hasnt the right to say the other guy didnt. And no Roger, you DID NOT play well. Jeez, have SOME respect for your own abilities :rolleyes:

By the way, I am sure Federer cares about DC. Course he wanted to win, otherwise wouldnt have played. Fans who say he just wasnt bothered are just kidding themselves. Of course he cared about this one. Wouldnt have played so soon after AO if otherwise. Just not as much as the likes of Nadal or Djokovic. Could be because he feels his team is anyway not good enough and the Swiss anyway provide no atmosphere in DC.:o The first day tie could well have been held anywhere else in the world except USA.


Good post, spot-on on all accounts.
It's quite simple, the Swiss - both players, team and the lunatic who came up with that ultra high-bouncing court - f*cked themselves. The only ones Fed and Wawa should be blaming are themselves, and pointing a finger at a team mate (yes Rog, I'm looking at you!) sure isn't the way to go.

On the lighter side of things... don't you haters totally admire the way Federer always seems to be capable of handing out the amunition to you guys whenever he suffers a bad loss? :hearts:

Jimnik
02-12-2012, 06:59 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz9c2xscN51qjat4wo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1329148781&Signature=gkjsk5LQU9uTKlLS97Zv9xsk%2FnM%3D
Not hard to read between the lines, is it.

Jimnik
02-12-2012, 07:00 PM
Switzerland 0-5 USA

It's officially a complete whitewash.

Thread title needs updating. :wavey:

bokehlicious
02-12-2012, 07:09 PM
Who played the two last rubbers? No update from the press here.

Time Violation
02-12-2012, 07:13 PM
Lammer-Harrison and Isner-Chiudinelli according to live score :)

Looner
02-12-2012, 07:15 PM
I hope Federer continues to be a sore loser. Then MTF haters will spend their whole life in front of their computers slating him and will probably die of hunger due to being unable to buy food as hating on Fed always takes priority in their sad little lives.

DanaKz
02-12-2012, 07:21 PM
So, nobody watched Harrison's match? Why two tie-breaks? What was wrong with Harry?

DanaKz
02-12-2012, 07:30 PM
BTW, I am not complaining as Ryan's fan, but why Jim didn't call Young? The Don have a chance for Olys, and he desperately needs DC tie for it.

jcempire
02-12-2012, 07:40 PM
huge surprise

Sophocles
02-12-2012, 07:44 PM
Can we rewind back to reality please?

0-5 against the USA at home, on clay?

Never.

Sophocles
02-12-2012, 07:57 PM
wish Fed had called out Wawrinka, he is a joke a beyond pathetic Davis cup partner

if Fed had any sense he'd dump Davis Cup, dont flog the dead horse anymore

Yeah, this. If Wawrinka would turn up occasionally Switzerland could have won the Cup by now. About the only thing that fucker's ever done is beating Hewitt last year.

Aloimeh
02-12-2012, 08:05 PM
Frauderer's participation in DC is perfunctory and only so he can participate in the Olympics.

I always knew Fraud was a scum-sucking, soulless paramecium. I just didn't know the Fraudereresians were so like him. Buzzards of a feather, I suppose.

Roddickominator
02-12-2012, 08:11 PM
After the fact, it's easy to second-guess the Swiss for choosing to play on clay. Before the tie, it made complete sense. They probably figured that Roddick and Fish would be playing, 2 guys whose weakest surface is clay(by far). Federer's clay accomplishments need no introduction, and Wawrinka plays respectably on clay....you'd figure he would have a pretty good shot against either Roddick or Fish on the surface.

Even if you know Isner is playing, he is very far from a favorite against Federer on the surface, and maybe not a favorite over even Wawrinka.

I wouldn't want to play the Americans on their best surface either, when they have such a defined weakness on another surface that your players play well on.

arm
02-12-2012, 08:36 PM
Can we rewind back to reality please?

0-5 against the USA at home, on clay?

Never.

Sh*t happens.

rg121
02-12-2012, 08:58 PM
More than JC, more than Fish/Isner/Bryan, I'd blame Switzerland's decision on the surface; and also whoever prepared that surface. An absolute blunder not to go for a fast indoor hardcourt.

Anyways, it was great show by the Americans nevertheless, and Fed could have done without taking such a direct shot at Stan after the losses.

Slice Winner
02-12-2012, 10:23 PM
Again, to clear up, Feds didn't take a shot at Stan - the Associated Press had a mistranslation.
Federation said he played a quite good doubles match, and Stan played not badly.

The surface was derp. Either get a really slow clay court, or get a low bounce indoor hard court.

SheepleBuster
02-12-2012, 11:04 PM
Haters going to hate. The fact of the matter is, Federer sucks big time because he lost to John freaking Isner. A talentless nobody from a country that exports stupidity to the world So riddle me this batman: how the heck Federer is considered the GOAT when he loses to John freaking Isner, who is really an average college tennis player at best. I mean this is a guy who had trouble beating Jesse Levine and now beats Roger in Swiss on clay.

Roger should never play for this team ever again. I am just utterly distraught over what has happened to tennis. American Davis Cup team should not be able to beat an average team of players from the challengers circuit let alone the GOAT and Stan.

Smoke944
02-12-2012, 11:13 PM
Haters going to hate. The fact of the matter is, Federer sucks big time because he lost to John freaking Isner. A talentless nobody from a country that exports stupidity to the world So riddle me this batman: how the heck Federer is considered the GOAT when he loses to John freaking Isner, who is really an average college tennis player at best. I mean this is a guy who had trouble beating Jesse Levine and now beats Roger in Swiss on clay.

Roger should never play for this team ever again. I am just utterly distraught over what has happened to tennis. American Davis Cup team should not be able to beat an average team of players from the challengers circuit let alone the GOAT and Stan.

:yawn:

You know MTF is a mug site when great posters like Glenn get banned and nothing happens to incredibly shitty trolls like this guy.

masterclass
02-12-2012, 11:40 PM
Good post, spot-on on all accounts.
It's quite simple, the Swiss - both players, team and the lunatic who came up with that ultra high-bouncing court - f*cked themselves. The only ones Fed and Wawa should be blaming are themselves, and pointing a finger at a team mate (yes Rog, I'm looking at you!) sure isn't the way to go.

On the lighter side of things... don't you haters totally admire the way Federer always seems to be capable of handing out the amunition to you guys whenever he suffers a bad loss? :hearts:

Again I caution that what has been previously quoted in excerpted form may be a distortion of the facts.

Another thread here (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=192780&page=22) post#323 has documented tweets by reporters present:

also swiss journalits rene stauffer, who was there, tweeted regarding the doubles AP quote;


@TennisReporters i never heard him say this, and i was there. Getting strange now


@TennisReporters said unfortun. Stan didnt play his best ag fish and didnt put pressure on us. doubles was not critised by rog


@TennisReporters i checked my tape again and still cant confirm these ap quotes. Doubt he had another source than what i heard

I have confirmed this series of tweets and later another reporter also checked his tape and never heard the doubles remark as requoted by AP:

Matt Cronin @TennisReporters @svenja_sportch
And what did you hear Roger say about the doubles Svenja?


2h Svenja Mastroberardi Svenja Mastroberardi @svenja_sportch

@TennisReporters I'd have to listen to the tape again for the exact quotes


2h Svenja Mastroberardi Svenja Mastroberardi @svenja_sportch

@TennisReporters that they played a good match on a high level and the americans were a better in the end


Later in the thread I mentioned above (post #328), look at Pirata's translation of a phrase during the interview regarding the doubles heard on the tsr.ch site. Looks like there are many videos on this site. (http://www.tsr.ch/sport/tennis/?display=videos)

Respectfully,
masterclass

Corey Feldman
02-12-2012, 11:53 PM
usual nonsense stories made up :zzz:
Fed losing still the greatest pleasure for some sad prats around the place

MIMIC
02-13-2012, 12:39 AM
usual nonsense stories made up :zzz:
Fed losing still the greatest pleasure for some sad prats around the place

I will PROUDLY admit that I take pleasure in Federer losing. Because I know it pisses him AND his fans off :bounce:

Sunset of Age
02-13-2012, 12:47 AM
Again I caution that what has been previously quoted in excerpted form may be a distortion of the facts.

Another thread here (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=192780&page=22) post#323 has documented tweets by reporters present:

also swiss journalits rene stauffer, who was there, tweeted regarding the doubles AP quote;

I have confirmed this series of tweets and later another reporter also checked his tape and never heard the doubles remark as requoted by AP:

Later in the thread I mentioned above (post #328), look at Pirata's translation of a phrase during the interview regarding the doubles heard on the tsr.ch site. Looks like there are many videos on this site. (http://www.tsr.ch/sport/tennis/?display=videos)

Respectfully,
masterclass

:) - just an advice - you seemed to have totally missed out on the Sarcasm Element in my post.
No harm done there - you're not the only one. ;)

Respectfully,
Sunset of Age

Certified fan of the Sore Loser that is indeed Mr. Roger Federer. :)

tripwires
02-13-2012, 02:34 AM
I will PROUDLY admit that I take pleasure in Federer losing. Because I know it pisses him AND his fans off :bounce:

I feel sorry for you. You must have very little in your life to devote so much energy to hating a tennis player and his fans. :awww:

Naudio Spanlatine
02-13-2012, 02:42 AM
Fedtards are so pressed:sport: http://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/oh.gif

You and Fed are shitting on yourselves for acting like yall didnt do nothing wrong.:haha:

tripwires
02-13-2012, 02:44 AM
Huh?

Naudio Spanlatine
02-13-2012, 02:50 AM
Ok lemme make this clear, for those of you who say that noletards, rafatards and andytards for defending our favorite players because of them doing stupid stuff, while you fedtards defend fed in a whole nother way. Its like give up, Fed made himself look like shit. Get over it, the man is not perfect. What he did was WRONG for blaming Wawrinka for all of the mistakes. Fed was never in pressure, the man was perfectly fine in the isner match. And for him to put the blame all on one person because of his loss, i mean he might as well put the blame on the whole team andthe whole country, he is the most self-centered tennis player i have ever seen. So dont come here and try to act like "Fed would never do such a thing", well he did so grow the fuck up and deal with it, hes a gimp and hes a mug. He needs to be a fucking man and stop putting the blame and stop making too many damn excuses.

tripwires
02-13-2012, 02:51 AM
You should read masterclass's post #242. It's on this page so it shouldn't be too hard to miss.

It's one thing dissing him for something he did and quite another altogether to diss him for something he was misquoted on.