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Peak Andy Murray vs Peak Andy Roddick, surface by surface

2003
02-10-2012, 03:48 AM
Australian Open, advantage Murray. He gets the job done on this surface.

French Open, no doubt, advantage Murray. Though if 09 FO Roddick turned up, who knows, maybe he could push Murray to 5. Some clown always does every year. Hed be more than capable.

Wimbledon - Advantage Roddick. Though I must say, Murray peak played in a better top heavy Grass era.

US Open - Advantage Roddick.

WTF - Equal chances here. Maybe ADV Roddick with his serve.

How do you see it going down?

Stronga23
02-10-2012, 03:57 AM
Roddick with less talent has won a slam before Murray did and if Federer wasnt around Andy would have 4-5 GS.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-10-2012, 04:13 AM
roddick mentally is so under rented its not funny

murray is a better talent but not mentally

if both guys give it 100% i think murrays excellent return of serve wins it

but murray is incapable of playing well at slam finals it seems- hope im proved wrong and he wins one

2003
02-10-2012, 08:10 AM
Roddick with less talent has won a slam before Murray did and if Federer wasnt around Andy would have 4-5 GS.

Both Andys Would!

Clydey
02-10-2012, 04:45 PM
Roddick leading the poll. Fucking hilarious.

Looks like the nostalgiatards are out in force.

Certinfy
02-10-2012, 04:48 PM
Murray at the first 2 Grand Slams, Roddick at the other 2.

nole_no1
02-10-2012, 04:49 PM
Peak Roddick only on grass
Peak Murray on every other surface

Fumus
02-10-2012, 04:51 PM
Murray hasn't peaked yet...so who knows?

rocketassist
02-10-2012, 04:52 PM
Peak Roddick was 2003 when he had one of the top 5 forehands. Woulda been a tough test for Murray anywhere off clay.

tangerine_dream
02-10-2012, 04:56 PM
In my unbiased opinion, peak Roddick beats the pants off of Muzzyface on every surface. :dance:

timafi
02-10-2012, 05:37 PM
AO: Murray
FO:Murray on kneecaps would win even in the damn dark
Wimbledon depends on which Roddick shows up.09 Roddick >>>> Murray but 2010;2011;2012 Murray >>>>>>>> Roddick
USO: 2011;2012 Murray >>>>>>>>>>>>> Roddick

Sapeod
02-10-2012, 05:47 PM
Peak Murray? We haven't ever seen peak Murray, so we'll say 2011/2012 Murray for now. Peak Roddick was nothing very special.

Australian Open: Murray wins in 4.
French Open: Murray wins in 3, easy.
Wimbledon: Hmmmm, hard one. It'll be a 5 setter. I see Murray edging it.
US Open: Murray in 4.

Murray is far better on clay, better on hardcourt and around the same as peak Roddick on grass.

mooncreek
02-10-2012, 06:51 PM
hard court - it really depends. If AO or European hard court, I'd say Murray. In US, I'd give it to Roddick but it'd be very close.
clay - it'd be a hilarious beatdown from Murray.
grass - this would be the tough one. Roddick had to be at absolute peak level to beat a not-peak level Murray at 2009 Wimbledon. If Murray is at peak level, I think he would have the edge on grass.

Drugs Ruin Lives
02-10-2012, 06:55 PM
Both have very little talent. I give the edge to Roddick based on achievements, eventhough his slam was a fluke he did reach no.1.

Everything about Murray is awful, from his game, to his achievements, to his bad attitude and ugly personality. He is a born loser and will die a loser.

Pirata.
02-10-2012, 07:03 PM
Though I must say, Murray peak played in a better top heavy Grass era.

:rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
02-10-2012, 07:04 PM
Peak Roddick would beat Murray at the USO without a shadow of a doubt.

Roddick would also beat Muzza at Wimbledon, pulling through with superior mental strength, Murray failing once again at SW19.

The French Open would probably be Murray in 4.

The AO would go 5 sets.

The WTF would be 50/50.

Stronga23
02-10-2012, 07:05 PM
Peak Roddick would beat Murray at the USO without a shadow of a doubt.

Roddick would also beat Muzza at Wimbledon, pulling through with superior mental strength, Murray failing once again at SW19.

The French Open would probably be Murray in 4.

The AO would go 5 sets.

The WTF would be 50/50.

2004 Andy Roddick beats Andy Murray on every surface except clay.

Alex999
02-10-2012, 07:18 PM
Murray is a much better player IMHO. sure Roddick won a slam but I think that Murray is a more versatile player. Roddick is so predictable. serve, serve and serve some more.... I do have to say one thing tho... I really don't understand what happened to his FH.
I just don't understand how Roddick regressed so much. Sure, Fed happened to him but still ... I think he's had so many things going for him.

Murray will win a slam. I still believe in him. He was very close at the AO but as I mentioned before Djokovic is a monster right now. I like Murray so much... I think he has a big heart and he is a great guy. there is so much hate for him on MTF. I really don't get it.

I think that both Djokovic and Murray are fantastic guys.

Stronga23
02-10-2012, 07:19 PM
Murray is a much better player IMHO. sure Roddick won a slam but I think that Murray is a more versatile player. Roddick is so predictable. serve, serve and serve some more.... I do have to say one thing tho... I really don't understand what happened to his FH.
I just don't understand how Roddick regressed so much. Sure, Fed happened to him but still ... I think he's had so many things going for him.

Murray will win a slam. I still believe in him. He was very close at the AO but as I mentioned before Djokovic is a monster right now. I like Murray so much... I think he has a big heart and he is a great guy. there is so much hate for him on MTF. I really don't get it.

I think that both Djokovic and Murray are fantastic guys.

I was watching the 2004 Wimbledon Final and Roddick was hitting MASSIVE forehands I mean he was pushing Peak Fed around.

Lurking
02-10-2012, 07:26 PM
I take it people don't know how mediocre Roddick is indoors.

Alex999
02-10-2012, 07:51 PM
I was watching the 2004 Wimbledon Final and Roddick was hitting MASSIVE forehands I mean he was pushing Peak Fed around.
but that's the thing. His FH just simply disappeared. a young Roddick was good. I think that he tried to change too many things in his game in order to compete with Fed and he got nowhere. I really think that he should have stayed with his old game... the one that brought him his first slam. Roddick has experimented too much and look where he is now.

Roddickominator
02-10-2012, 07:57 PM
Roddick with his serve at 70% and crushing the forehand(Top 5 for sure in peak form) would give Murray more than he bargained for everywhere but clay. Murray has too many mental lapses, even when in good form. You can't give away breaks against a peak Roddick, he will roll you over.

USO and Wimbledon is a decisive advantage to Roddick. AO is perhaps 50/50. FO obvious big edge to Murray.

Gillouthe best
02-10-2012, 08:27 PM
A.O- Tight match, Muzza in 4 tight sets.
RG- 2011 Murray in straights.
Wimbledon- Roddick in 4/5
US Open- Roddick in 4
WTF- Murray in 2

out_grinder
02-10-2012, 10:00 PM
Why are people saying Murray is a certain win over Roddick at the French Open?

Murray ain't exactly a clay demon you know.

I pick peak Roddick to beat peak Murray in straights on every surface.

Gullyfoyle
02-10-2012, 11:22 PM
Silly poll, AM has not peaked yet AR most certainly has,

out_grinder
02-11-2012, 12:01 AM
Silly poll, AM has not peaked yet AR most certainly has,

Lolwot, if Murray is not already declining, he has maximum 2 months left of his 'peak' level. And it was not good enough to win a slam.

rocketassist
02-11-2012, 12:42 AM
Why are people saying Murray is a certain win over Roddick at the French Open?

Murray ain't exactly a clay demon you know.

I pick peak Roddick to beat peak Murray in straights on every surface.

Peak Roddick got done over by Sargis Sargsian, Olivier Mutis and Jose Acasuso in round 2 at RG. :lol:

Peak Roddick would have a great chance at the USO and Wimbledon because his serve in 2003 and his forehand were among the best there was.

At the AO, it would be quite tight with Murray maybe favourite. No one's being nostalgic by saying peak Roddick is comparable, as he actually is when he could strike the forehand like he did then.

AO- Murray just
RG- Murray easily
W- Roddick
USO- 50/50

rocketassist
02-11-2012, 12:47 AM
Murray peak played in a better top heavy Grass era.

Federer, Hewitt, Schalken, Ancic, Henman, Philippoussis >>> Nadal, Djokovic, Gasquet, Tsonga, Berdych, Fish (lol)

Plus don't forget the courts in 03-04 are about a million times faster than the courts Murray's had his title attempts on.

MuzzahLovah
02-11-2012, 12:57 AM
I don't think Murray has peaked yet, so it's hard to say. But based on match up, Murray being a nightmare matchup for Roddick's style of play, I'd have to give Muzzah the edge on all but the fastest surfaces.

luie
02-11-2012, 01:14 AM
AO- 50/50
FO- Murray
Wimby- Roddick
USO-Roddick
In his Prime Roddick to much game for Murray
With the serve/forehand combo.
Old pusher Roddick defeated Murray in 09 on
Slow grass.

MurrayMagic1
02-11-2012, 10:34 AM
Peak Murray would have beaten Peak Roddick fairly comfortably in all the grand slams. Murray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roddick.... that is all

Gullyfoyle
02-11-2012, 11:39 AM
Lolwot, if Murray is not already declining, he has maximum 2 months left of his 'peak' level. And it was not good enough to win a slam.

Murray is demonstrably improving,look at the results for AM v AR 2006-7 and you will note AR of 5-6 years ago was no match for AM, that is AM not at his peak and AR nearest his.

P.S I am quite fond of AR off court.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-11-2012, 11:58 AM
if murray played a roddick who was on one leg at a RG final- murray would stil find a way to lose

ok so us open 2008 he played a very tough federer
and ao 2010 federer was vintage

but murray has always been a great matchup vs djokovic- there is no excuse for gettting owned like he did to nole at the ao final

FlameOn
02-11-2012, 09:01 PM
Peak Roddick was actually good remember?! Not this evil twin who's been playing for the last 5 years or so :lol:. He had the serve and the forehand, and he wouldn't be afraid of Murray's slice.

I vote peak Roddick on every surface except clay :oh:.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-11-2012, 09:05 PM
Peak Roddick was actually good remember?! Not this evil twin who's been playing for the last 5 years or so :lol:. He had the serve and the forehand, and he wouldn't be afraid of Murray's slice.

I vote peak Roddick on every surface except clay :oh:.

This.

2003
02-11-2012, 10:03 PM
Federer, Hewitt, Schalken, Ancic, Henman, Philippoussis >>> Nadal, Djokovic, Gasquet, Tsonga, Berdych, Fish (lol)

Plus don't forget the courts in 03-04 are about a million times faster than the courts Murray's had his title attempts on.

Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Berdych - 10 Wimbledon titles, 3 additional Wimbledon finals..

>

Hewits Wimbledon title and Philippoussis solitary final.

Not withstanding the fact that AROD and Murray had to contend with a past peak but very good Hewitt for at least 2-3 Wimbledons in the latter stage of the noughties.

As for Federer, again, both had to deal with him on both court speeds about the same number of years.

Arakasi
02-11-2012, 10:15 PM
AO: Murray
RG: Murray
W: Roddick
US: Roddick

Peak Roddick had two things that Murray has never had. Two huge weapons. The forehand and the serve. On grass especially he is underrated. He'd potentially be sitting on 4 Wimbledons without Federer. That's ignoring '06-'08.

Roddick leading the poll. Fucking hilarious.

Looks like the nostalgiatards are out in force.

:lol: I guess everyone who doesn't agree with you is a nostalgiatard?

leng jai
02-11-2012, 10:51 PM
Peak Roddick was an absolute beast. Far more confident than he is now, plus the immense serve and forehand combo to back it up. Murray would have little chance on grass and the opposite true for the dirt. Hard courts would favour Roddick as well.

Looner
02-11-2012, 11:49 PM
I'd say Roddick at USO and Wimbledon for sure and at least 60% on rebound ace with 40% chance on today's AO surface. For the FO, Murray takes it. For those who say Murray has a 50/50 (lolwhat?) chance at the USO, go watch the way Roddick played in the 2006 USO final.

Sham Kay
02-12-2012, 12:25 AM
Wait, this talking if they played each other? Murray whips Roddick on any surface apart from old s/v grass.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-12-2012, 12:27 AM
Peak Roddick, not hard to answer.

At least he won a slam and was in the top 10 longer.

allpro
02-12-2012, 12:34 AM
ao: murray
rg: murray
wimbledon: roddick
uso: roddick

Naudio Spanlatine
02-12-2012, 01:25 AM
AO: Murray
RG: Murray
W: Roddick
US: Roddick

Peak Roddick had two things that Murray has never had. Two huge weapons. The forehand and the serve. On grass especially he is underrated. He'd potentially be sitting on 4 Wimbledons without Federer. That's ignoring '06-'08.

ao: murray
rg: murray
wimbledon: roddick
uso: roddick
agree.
WTF- Murray in 2

:superlol:

BauerAlmeida
02-12-2012, 02:08 AM
Murray would probably win on clay. Roddick on the other surfaces.

rocketassist
02-12-2012, 02:20 AM
Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Berdych - 10 Wimbledon titles, 3 additional Wimbledon finals..

>

Hewits Wimbledon title and Philippoussis solitary final.

Not withstanding the fact that AROD and Murray had to contend with a past peak but very good Hewitt for at least 2-3 Wimbledons in the latter stage of the noughties.

As for Federer, again, both had to deal with him on both court speeds about the same number of years.

Nadal, Djokovic and Berdych are not better on grass than Hewitt and Philippoussis. Playing on green clay and winning/making finals doesn't make them better grass courters.

guga2120
02-12-2012, 03:04 AM
Murray everywhere. Peak Roddick, wtf?

Mountaindewslave
02-12-2012, 04:20 AM
Roddick's serve alone when he is at his peak would destroy Andy Murray's peak. Murray at his best return cannot ever break the Roddick peak service games, but the same can't be said otherwise.

Roddick when at his best in the past was only stopped by the best player of all time, Federer, and it is not likely anyone else would have stopped him in some of his finest Grand SLam Tournaments which ended in losses to Federer.

Roddick at peak just has too big of a serve and HUGEE baseline pounding strokes for Murray to handle. It's pretty simplistic, both players have tons of talent at their peaks BUT the defining moment is the fact that peak attacking tennis almost always defeats peak defending tennis...

Roddick > Murray easily

Mountaindewslave
02-12-2012, 04:21 AM
Murray everywhere. Peak Roddick, wtf?

Roddick several different years at Wimbledon and the US OPEN played better than Andy Murray will ever play in his entire career

Lurking
02-12-2012, 05:20 AM
Roddick at peak just has too big of a serve and HUGEE baseline pounding strokes for Murray to handle. It's pretty simplistic, both players have tons of talent at their peaks BUT the defining moment is the fact that peak attacking tennis almost always defeats peak defending tennis...


When the greatest attacking player of this era faced the greatest defensive player of this era on the biggest stage, he cobbled together a 2-8 career record.

Vida
02-12-2012, 11:34 AM
murray for sure. ton more skill than what was a fairly one dimensional power player.

mooncreek
02-12-2012, 12:59 PM
Why are people saying Murray is a certain win over Roddick at the French Open?

Murray ain't exactly a clay demon you know.

I pick peak Roddick to beat peak Murray in straights on every surface.

Have you seen the guys Roddick lost to on clay during his peak?

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 01:06 PM
Roddick wins everywhere outside clay.

out_grinder
02-12-2012, 02:13 PM
Roddick wins everywhere including on clay.

Fixed for you.

siffleanimaux
02-12-2012, 04:22 PM
Plexicushion: Murray
Rebound ace: Roddick
Decoturf: Roddick
Clay: Murray
Grass: Roddick
Indoors: probably Roddick

Sapeod
02-12-2012, 09:38 PM
Fixed for you.
Oh really?

Roddick's losses during his peak years at RG:

2003: Sargsian, in 4 (1st round)
2004: Mutis, in 5 (2nd round)
2005: Acasuso, in 5 (2nd round)
2006: A.Martin, in straights, although he retired from that (1st round)

How many times did he get past the 2nd round? Not once.
Sargsian? He was more of a fast court player, wasn't he?
I don't know much about Mutis, but from his result, he's far below Murray's opponents.
Acasuso was the only decent claycourter Roddick played here, and he lost.
He couldn't even beat Alberto Martin :lol:

By the way, Murray has beaten Acasuso at RG, fairly comfortably.

Murray's losses during his (so far) peak years at RG:

2008: Almagro, in 4 sets (3rd round)
2009: Gonzalez, in 4 (quarter-finals)
2010: Berdych, in straights (4th round)
2011: Nadal, in straights (in the semi-final)

How many times did he get past the 2nd round? All 4 times. Something Roddick couldn't even do once at his peak. What a joke.
Nadal on clay? One of the two best claycourters of all time, the other being the almighty Borg.
Almagro and Berdych are some of the best claycourters around. Gonzalez was too.

Roddick's opponents are nowhere near the level any of these players were. Some of the players Murray beat were also above them on clay.

On clay, Andy completely destroys Roddick.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-12-2012, 09:41 PM
Yes thats all Young andy does is destroy Roddick on CLAY. Of course, thats not new. Anything else.:wavey:

Sapeod
02-12-2012, 09:45 PM
Yes thats all Young andy does is destroy Roddick on CLAY. Of course, thats not new. Anything else.:wavey:
Anything else?

He'll beat him on hardcourt. His game is just too good for Roddick at its peak. His ground game is superior. His variety is better. He volleys better. He moves better. His serve is very big too and at his peak, he's unbreakable. How is Roddick supposed to beat that? Sure, he can keep serving up aces, but he'll be broken sooner or later. Murray is a better returner than Roddick, so he'll have far more chances to break than Roddick will.
On good ol' fast grass, Roddck wins. On the current slow crap, Murray wins.

green25814
02-12-2012, 09:58 PM
Peak Murray beats peak Roddick, but Roddick would be a better player over all. Roddick matches up poorly against Murray, who loves playing big servers with one-dimensional ground games. Even with the big forehand, I'd back Murray to come out ahead purely on the match up issue.