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Nole open without Nole?

romismak
02-09-2012, 06:30 PM
http://tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=16328&zoneid=25

I think it is hard decision, he wants badly to win RG and be ready for bigger events like Madrid and Rome for sure, but really no Nole at his own-family event, i wonder what people would say about it and how it can affect whole tournament, battle between Viktor and Janko for 250 title probably.

EliSter
02-09-2012, 06:33 PM
Thats it, time to kill myself.

samanosuke
02-09-2012, 06:44 PM
never good when someone becomes greedy

ballbasher101
02-09-2012, 06:47 PM
This is a big year for him. You can't please everyone if you want to be a true great. Federer is the master at organizing a tennis calender. Come to think of it I think Mirka does it for him. I doubt the Djoker's girlfriend knows anything about planning and organising a tennis season for someone ;).

Jade Fox
02-09-2012, 06:49 PM
Thats it, time to kill myself.

I know what you mean. How can we go on?! :hysteric: :hysteric: :p

BauerAlmeida
02-09-2012, 06:50 PM
I think he will play there. He will play Belgrade, Montecarlo and Madrid or Rome.

arm
02-09-2012, 06:51 PM
Good for you, Nole.

emotion
02-09-2012, 06:53 PM
He should def play, though maybe he's counting on Tipsarevic to draw crowds now he is top 10

LawrenceOfTennis
02-09-2012, 06:54 PM
how dramatic:lol:

Pirata.
02-09-2012, 06:57 PM
Come to think of it I think Mirka does it for him. I doubt the Djoker's girlfriend knows anything about planning and organising a tennis season for someone ;).

Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do with Mirka's own career as a player and her own experiences in scheduling or anything :rolleyes:

Capuccino
02-09-2012, 07:00 PM
I would like Nole to skip Nole open really.

NID
02-09-2012, 07:03 PM
This might encourage Rafa to finally play at Nole Open.

MIMIC
02-09-2012, 07:04 PM
GOOD.

Go get that Golden slam :rocker2: (or at LEAST the French Open dammit :lol:)

Johnny Groove
02-09-2012, 08:10 PM
Nole should skip Belgrade like Rafa should skip Madrid.

Political pressures may keep both in both tournaments, though.

Nole Rules
02-09-2012, 08:17 PM
Thats it, time to kill myself.

:lol:

Nixer
02-09-2012, 08:20 PM
So no Golden Slam this year for Nole? Can't complete it without the 5th Slam :shrug:

ivankg
02-09-2012, 08:21 PM
It will not be smart to play Belgrade, but he should try to get some good players there as a compensation.

Gagsquet
02-09-2012, 08:24 PM
The sooner a challenger the better

r2473
02-09-2012, 08:37 PM
Maybe Marko will play.

....or Tito, or Jermanie, or maybe even Janet.

Sham Kay
02-09-2012, 09:32 PM
The Tipsy Open might as well just stay closed

Nixer
02-09-2012, 09:46 PM
Maybe Marko will play.

....or Tito, or Jermanie, or maybe even Janet.

I say bring Djordje already, everyone says he's so talented. Well, he's old enough to try ATP already :rolleyes: The middle one seems to be a failure..

shuhrat
02-09-2012, 10:09 PM
He can make up for it with playing an exhibition match for the home crowd instead.

Something like this

He met Monika Seles, whom he, once again, called to be his guest on Serbian Open.

- Serbia loves Monika and wants to see her again, she is, after all, born here, and her biggest results were made under the flag of Yugoslavia, I told her that. I gave her a hint, that I would like her to be part of some exhibition matches that I plan to organize here.



It will not be smart to play Belgrade, but he should try to get some good players there as a compensation.
Actually his absence could be an advantage to get better player field, IMO.

stewietennis
02-09-2012, 10:13 PM
I think Nole should play his home event – this could be his Monte Carlo or Basel.

Nixer
02-09-2012, 10:36 PM
I think Nole should play his home event – this could be his Monte Carlo or Basel.

Monte-Carlo is his home event, too :shrug:

leng jai
02-09-2012, 10:39 PM
Don't need Nole when you have Tipsy Time

stewietennis
02-09-2012, 11:20 PM
Monte-Carlo is his home event, too :shrug:

I meant that he's won the event 2/3 times, it's in his country and his family runs it so it's pretty much his home event. Federer has won Basel 5 times and it's in his country so it's his home event. Nadal has won Monte Carlo 7 times so he's pretty much synonymous with the event (even more than Madrid).

Sham Kay
02-10-2012, 12:17 AM
Don't need Nole when you have Tipsy Time

I hear the French Open's going to have Troicki Time. Expect ratings to soar.

Capuccino
02-10-2012, 12:28 AM
Nole open is already a Mickey Mouse tournament...without Nole it's gonna be Noddy open...

BroTree123
02-10-2012, 12:45 AM
Nole open is already a Mickey Mouse tournament...without Nole it's gonna be Noddy open...

We have Tipsy there :shrug:.

Yolita
02-10-2012, 01:16 AM
Great decision by Nole. I'm glad that he learnt from his mistakes last year. He has said that he wants to win Roland Garros and a gold olympic medal. He has to be smart with his schedule and avoid overtiredness and injuries.

Belgrade will survive without him. Tipsarevic is a great player, Lopez may go again...

Go Nole! Win Roland Garros and become the first player since Rod Laver in 1969 to hold all the Grand Slam trophies at the same time! At least give yourself a chance of making history!

Can you imagine if he does it? I know it's very tough, it's Rafa's playground. But it would be so amazing. :)

paseo
02-10-2012, 01:51 AM
Ajd... oh, wait.

Mountaindewslave
02-10-2012, 01:59 AM
it's a strange decision because if we are to assume that Novak is going to focus on the Grand Slams and does not want to risk wear and tear on his body, why not preform in his country's tournament and skip out on one of the clay court Master TItles?

not only would he only expend minimal efforts to win the title (in all liklihood) but also it has some nice distance from Roland Garros. dissapointing for Serbians for sure, and Novak should make sure to watch out- saving energy and not playing too much is good but you have to work yourself into form to win big events too....

Serbia Open is his event!

thrust
02-10-2012, 02:42 AM
I think he will play there. He will play Belgrade, Montecarlo and Madrid or Rome.

He has winners points to defend in Rome and Madrid, so he has to play them. He should skip Monte Carlo, as he has not points to defend there. Rafa can wear himself out there and in Barcelona. As for Belgrade, it depends on how close it is to Rome and Madrid.

Yolita
02-10-2012, 03:23 AM
I basically trust Nolvak's team's decisions. They know exactly how Nole's body is, how much practice he needs, how long he needs to recover. He's really serious about managing his schedule better this year.

I'm not sure it's a good idea for him to tell everybody that he's going for Roland Garros. He's just piling more pressure on himself. But then again, I'm happy that cocky Nole is back. I missed him. :devil:

Mountaindewslave
02-10-2012, 03:38 AM
I basically trust Nolvak's team's decisions. They know exactly how Nole's body is, how much practice he needs, how long he needs to recover. He's really serious about managing his schedule better this year.

I'm not sure it's a good idea for him to tell everybody that he's going for Roland Garros. He's just piling more pressure on himself. But then again, I'm happy that cocky Nole is back. I missed him. :devil:

i mean let's be honest he didn't handle his schedule that badly last year, he dominated everything up until Asian Swing, there is not much he can probably fix. no matter what the tennis player's body will be torn up by that point if they win as much as a player like Djokovic does

tektonac
02-10-2012, 04:30 AM
i mean let's be honest he didn't handle his schedule that badly last year, he dominated everything up until Asian Swing, there is not much he can probably fix. no matter what the tennis player's body will be torn up by that point if they win as much as a player like Djokovic does

:worship:

i see you recovered nicely.

Yolita
02-10-2012, 04:37 AM
i mean let's be honest he didn't handle his schedule that badly last year, he dominated everything up until Asian Swing, there is not much he can probably fix. no matter what the tennis player's body will be torn up by that point if they win as much as a player like Djokovic does

Exactly, that's why this year he wants to play fewer tournaments. Playing 3 weeks in a row last years (Belgrade, Madrid and Rome) wasn't perhaps the best idea, so he'll cut one. He'll probably cut Davis Cup as well. He has to cut a few since, as you say, with him winning so much, he would be dead by September, like last year. He doesn't want that.

stewietennis
02-10-2012, 04:48 AM
I think Novak could have handled his schedule better last year when comparing it to 2006 Federer who had no lull in performance or fitness or injury issues due to burnout in any part of the season – Novak ran out of gas after the US Open last year so there were some losses he could have avoided at the tail end of the season if he hadn't front-loaded all of his work. Of course, I can't really fault Novak because he wouldn't have known while going-for-broke during the first six months that he would have enough energy for the end of the year. His team will need to balance out defending points in the early part to winning new points in the last three months.

Kat_YYZ
02-10-2012, 05:28 AM
I think this tournament needs to stand on its own two feet and become a legit ATP tournament that people attend because they are tennis fans who want to watch and support tennis, not just to get a glimpse of the hometown boy who made good.


This might encourage Rafa to finally play at Nole Open.
:lol: :yeah:

Time Violation
02-10-2012, 07:24 AM
it's a strange decision because if we are to assume that Novak is going to focus on the Grand Slams and does not want to risk wear and tear on his body, why not preform in his country's tournament and skip out on one of the clay court Master TItles?

The weather in Belgrade at that time is often awful, cold and wet, and whenever he's here he gets too much attention, so probably a good thing he will avoid all those out of the court activities and also avoid any chance of getting some virus in the wrong weather :lol:

Last but not least, maybe finally there will be more competition there :)

echf
02-10-2012, 10:24 AM
He has winners points to defend in Rome and Madrid, so he has to play them. He should skip Monte Carlo, as he has not points to defend there. Rafa can wear himself out there and in Barcelona. As for Belgrade, it depends on how close it is to Rome and Madrid.
Posts like this one make me think that many people don't really understand how the ranking system works. Not saying that's your case necessarily, but let me stress that the system just sums the number of points accrued over the last year, period. It's that simple, it does not matter which tournaments you won or whether you "defended your points".

The talk about "defending points" is just a way of updating the total score: to obtain the new total score after a tournament, you substract the points from the same tournament a year before (which is no longer included in the sum of tournaments played over the last one-year period), and then add those for the new one.
So it doesn't matter if, e.g., Nole "defends his winner points" in Madrid, or he skips it and wins another Master 1000 title like Monte Carlo. After the latest of the two tournaments, his points would still be the same. (The only way this could affect him is in the meantime. In the above scenario, if Madrid were held earlier than Monte Carlo and the #2 seeded player is close to him, he could overtake him during these weeks.)

In a similar vein, many people say that this year it will be harder for Nole to keep the #1 ranking because he has "so many points to defend". How many points you have to defend is totally irrelevant, except perhaps psychologically. If you perform better than anyone else over a one-year period and accumulate more points, you will be ranked #1 regardless of how many points you started with.

Alex999
02-10-2012, 12:56 PM
I think this tournament needs to stand on its own two feet and become a legit ATP tournament that people attend because they are tennis fans who want to watch and support tennis, not just to get a glimpse of the hometown boy who made good.



:lol: :yeah:
this. I really don't know why Novak needs to play there. The tournament can and SHOULD 'survive' without him. There are many good players who showed up in Belgrade. Djokovic simply doesn't need to play any 250 tournaments regardless that the tournament is played in Serbia.

Sunset of Age
02-10-2012, 01:05 PM
Just like there's no valid reason for Rafa to keep on playing Barcelona, there's no reason for Djoko to tire himself out in Belgrade. Proper scheduling is the key for longlivety as a tennis player after all.

Matt01
02-10-2012, 02:35 PM
Just like there's no valid reason for Rafa to keep on playing Barcelona, there's no reason for Djoko to tire himself out in Belgrade. Proper scheduling is the key for longlivety as a tennis player after all.


+1

Nole, please skip this useless tournament :help: (Rafa can play there instead ;))

Branimir
02-10-2012, 03:18 PM
Best possible decision.

thrust
02-10-2012, 08:46 PM
Posts like this one make me think that many people don't really understand how the ranking system works. Not saying that's your case necessarily, but let me stress that the system just sums the number of points accrued over the last year, period. It's that simple, it does not matter which tournaments you won or whether you "defended your points".

The talk about "defending points" is just a way of updating the total score: to obtain the new total score after a tournament, you substract the points from the same tournament a year before (which is no longer included in the sum of tournaments played over the last one-year period), and then add those for the new one.
So it doesn't matter if, e.g., Nole "defends his winner points" in Madrid, or he skips it and wins another Master 1000 title like Monte Carlo. After the latest of the two tournaments, his points would still be the same. (The only way this could affect him is in the meantime. In the above scenario, if Madrid were held earlier than Monte Carlo and the #2 seeded player is close to him, he could overtake him during these weeks.)

In a similar vein, many people say that this year it will be harder for Nole to keep the #1 ranking because he has "so many points to defend". How many points you have to defend is totally irrelevant, except perhaps psychologically. If you perform better than anyone else over a one-year period and accumulate more points, you will be ranked #1 regardless of how many points you started with.

Makes some sense, but I think MC is slow clay which is made for Rafa. Madirid is, I think, mandatory. Rome is fast clay, which is good for Nole's game. If he stays healthy Nole can pick up points after the USO, in Asia and London. The main thing for him though is to win Slams.

stewietennis
02-10-2012, 11:04 PM
Novak should probably just play the mandatory events (Madrid and Rome) but skip the non-mandatory one (Monte Carlo) to save some energy for the end of the season. The only two reasons I see Novak playing Monte Carlo is – it's still 1000 points and to stop Nadal's stranglehold on the event.

sanshisan
02-11-2012, 10:59 AM
Great decision by Nole. I'm glad that he learnt from his mistakes last year. He has said that he wants to win Roland Garros and a gold olympic medal. He has to be smart with his schedule and avoid overtiredness and injuries.

Belgrade will survive without him. Tipsarevic is a great player, Lopez may go again...

Go Nole! Win Roland Garros and become the first player since Rod Laver in 1969 to hold all the Grand Slam trophies at the same time! At least give yourself a chance of making history!

Can you imagine if he does it? I know it's very tough, it's Rafa's playground. But it would be so amazing. :)

Yes well said.

Let other rising Serbian players be in the spotlight at the Belgrade Open for a change. That's what it's there for - to develop and showcase new talent.

Ash86
02-11-2012, 11:06 AM
Hope he plays it just because I hope he doesn't play Monte Carlo. ;)

Not too sure really - on the one hand it's a 250 and in an Olympic year he doesn't need it - on the other hand it's his own tournament and he should support it. He needs to establish it on the map so people will choose to go there even after Nole's left the scene - at the moment it's a bit of a joke and it'll probably stay that way if he stops playing there... There's no real reason it can't develop - Zagreb in Croatia for example is a respected tournament and Belgrade is a big city...

For all those saying Novak is managing his schedule better this year - hasn't he gone skiing rather than play DC? Not sure that decision is the safer one - especially given how bitterly cold it is in Serbia this year....

EddieNero
02-11-2012, 12:15 PM
So we're going to have a new slam winner this year.

echf
02-11-2012, 04:08 PM
Makes some sense, but I think MC is slow clay which is made for Rafa. Madirid is, I think, mandatory. Rome is fast clay, which is good for Nole's game. If he stays healthy Nole can pick up points after the USO, in Asia and London. The main thing for him though is to win Slams.
It was just an example for the point I was making, I don't actually think Djokovic should skip Madrid. But if it's a mandatory tournament then that's the reason he should play, not the fact that he has points to defend there.

On the other hand, maybe playing Monte Carlo would be a good idea for him. Despite all his recent victories over Nadal I think Nadal would still be the favourite to beat him if they meet at Roland Garros. But if Djokovic manages to beat him at Monte Carlo, where Nadal has never lost a match in seven consecutive years, that would surely undermine his confidence even more.

thrust
02-11-2012, 04:52 PM
It was just an example for the point I was making, I don't actually think Djokovic should skip Madrid. But if it's a mandatory tournament then that's the reason he should play, not the fact that he has points to defend there.

On the other hand, maybe playing Monte Carlo would be a good idea for him. Despite all his recent victories over Nadal I think Nadal would still be the favourite to beat him if they meet at Roland Garros. But if Djokovic manages to beat him at Monte Carlo, where Nadal has never lost a match in seven consecutive years, that would surely undermine his confidence even more.

Good points, actually, it mostly depends on how these tournaments are scheduled this year. I will have to check that out.

Looner
02-11-2012, 05:00 PM
This would be a very good decision if Djoko skips his home tourney. Zagreb is still going (I'd not say strong but going it is) so I am sure they'll keep the tradition going on without him. If I was Serbian or a Nole fan, I know what I'd prefer to happen between Novak playing at home and winning another masters / being better prepared for RG and a possible Novak Slam.

In addition, the point about Nadal being beaten at MC is very, very valid. I remember when I used to watch a lot less tennis and some comm mentioned the MC winner was, more often than not, the winner at RG. I mean you only need to look back 10-20 years and you'd see this is the case. I'm not saying that if Novak wins MC, he'll win RG but it would be a lot better for him to play at his second home and take away the little remaining confidence Nadull has on any surface against him.