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Will Nadal manage to win a set against Novak on clay this year?

Sri
02-09-2012, 08:56 AM
Hmm?

bokehlicious
02-09-2012, 08:57 AM
Only if SuperNovak is ill/injured/exhausted

Sri
02-09-2012, 08:58 AM
Only if SuperNovak is ill/injured/exhausted
Rafa should have won that AO final against an exhausted Nole..

bokehlicious
02-09-2012, 09:01 AM
Rafa should have won that AO final against an exhausted Nole..

Well, he managed to take two sets, which is quite an impressive achievement.

Johnbert
02-09-2012, 09:05 AM
Well, he managed to take two sets, which is quite an impressive achievement.

cause "chokovic" appeared in 4th set tiebreak...

Certinfy
02-09-2012, 09:08 AM
Unless Rafa actually starts playing well again I do think he'll get straight setted when they play in MS events. However regardless of how they both play I can't see them playing at RG and Djokovic winning in straights.

leng jai
02-09-2012, 09:29 AM
So according to Noletards Rafito has even worse chance against him on clay than hard court.

Ajde

Time Violation
02-09-2012, 09:39 AM
According to nostalgiatards, there's no difference between clay and hard anyway :p

swisht4u
02-09-2012, 10:08 AM
The surfaces make little difference.
It's the same pattern everywhere.
Long rallies but Djokovic can run down many winners from Nadal.
Djokovic can lose the first set but it won't break him mentally.

The AO showed Nadal getting closer but Djokovic went through almost 11 hours in his last two matches there and down a break in the fifth.
The AO also showed Djokovic's mental strength in not giving up no matter his physical shape, what stage he's on or who's he playing.

Djokovic will be ready as will Nadal.

I don't care about Nadal's titles, they mean little now and he never had a challenger who has the game on clay that matches up as well as Djokovic does.

Djokovic is going to make adjustments too, it's not just Nadal making changes.

ballbasher101
02-09-2012, 10:30 AM
Nadal is pretty much stuck. Djokovic can hit through Nadal on clay or any other surface. Nadal on the other hand struggles to hit through Djokovic because his defence is up there with Nadal's. Nadal has no safe place to go to when he plays Djokovic. If he goes to the Djoker's forehand he will get burnt, if he goes to the Djoker's backhand the outcome is the same. When the Djoker is in trouble all he does is put Nadal's backhand under pressure. The Nadal backhand is solid but it will not consistently hurt you over the course of a match.

Sharpshooter
02-09-2012, 11:01 AM
Nadal is pretty much stuck. Djokovic can hit through Nadal on clay or any other surface. Nadal on the other hand struggles to hit through Djokovic because his defence is up there with Nadal's. Nadal has no safe place to go to when he plays Djokovic. If he goes to the Djoker's forehand he will get burnt, if he goes to the Djoker's backhand the outcome is the same. When the Djoker is in trouble all he does is put Nadal's backhand under pressure. The Nadal backhand is solid but it will not consistently hurt you over the course of a match.

We'll see about these comment when Rafa wins him at French Garros!

Shinoj
02-09-2012, 12:06 PM
I think its gonna be a another Cliffhanger IF they end up meeting each other. Dont forget on Hard courts he gave Novak a good run for his money and on Clay which is his favourite surface he is gonna be the same. However the Djoker has the edge, No Doubt about it.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-09-2012, 12:12 PM
Not likely. I'm sure all their finals will be close, but Nadal is not enough to beat him ever again if Djokovic plays solid.

Marc23
02-09-2012, 12:13 PM
Well, he managed to take two sets

This+clay=you never know...for me he has more chances to win than last year!

Sri
02-09-2012, 12:24 PM
So according to Noletards Rafito has even worse chance against him on clay than hard court.

Ajde
Well, recent records show Rafa has more of a chance vs. Nole on hards than on clay. True story.

http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/misc-true-story-realistic-l.png

Shinoj
02-09-2012, 12:48 PM
Clay plays like another slow hard court these days. Differences is close to zilch.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-09-2012, 01:36 PM
Djok won't ever beat Nadal again. The trend has no more room to go, Nadal has got closer and closer to the point where Djok is down a break in the 5th set and needs 6 hours to beat Nadal. No more room to go for Djok. He will never beat Nadal again.

Aren't you the one who said Nadal will beat Djokovic in the AO final? :lol:
Epic fail again.

bokehlicious
02-09-2012, 01:39 PM
I predict a very strong run in this year's ACC for nadalwon20XX, might be consistent all year :sport:

Shinoj
02-09-2012, 01:41 PM
Djok won't ever beat Nadal again. The trend has no more room to go, Nadal has got closer and closer to the point where Djok is down a break in the 5th set and needs 6 hours to beat Nadal. No more room to go for Djok. He will never beat Nadal again.

To be honest,It would have been over in three Sets if Novak came to the net more often.

Time Violation
02-09-2012, 01:48 PM
Djok won't ever beat Nadal again. The trend has no more room to go, Nadal has got closer and closer to the point where Djok is down a break in the 5th set and needs 6 hours to beat Nadal. No more room to go for Djok. He will never beat Nadal again.

:haha:

Houstonko
02-09-2012, 02:16 PM
Djok won't ever beat Nadal again. The trend has no more room to go, Nadal has got closer and closer to the point where Djok is down a break in the 5th set and needs 6 hours to beat Nadal. No more room to go for Djok. He will never beat Nadal again.

On clay it might be worse than HC because there are no fast shots on clay no matter how Nadal flatten his FH. Djoker isn't afraid of top spin and won't feel threatened like AO when Nadal attack flat on Djoker's FH side. Nadal isn't good at taking on rise and hitting winners in the first place anyway, so there will be more errors. He'll probably stick with topspin and lose.

We saw how Djoker hit his forehand to neutralise rally when not rushed on that side. Nadal playing to Djoker's backhand is no brainer nowadays given his skillset. Only Federer and Murray qualify to attack Djoker's backhand.

He has to find a way to take on rise to attack Djoker but i don't see it happening, this will be much less useful on slow surface.

Nole Rules
02-09-2012, 02:36 PM
Djok won't ever beat Nadal again. The trend has no more room to go, Nadal has got closer and closer to the point where Djok is down a break in the 5th set and needs 6 hours to beat Nadal. No more room to go for Djok. He will never beat Nadal again.

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/Janko_107/14b3k11.gif

thrust
02-09-2012, 03:21 PM
We'll see about these comment when Rafa wins him at French Garros!

I would be shocked if Rafa never won another match against Novak. Of course he will, though at present, Novak seems to have the advantage.

NadalesDios
02-09-2012, 08:37 PM
He took 6 hours to djokovic to beat Nadal in HC, in clay it will be a hell for djokovic.

Johnbert
02-09-2012, 08:45 PM
He took 6 hours to djokovic to beat Nadal in HC, in clay it will be a hell for djokovic.

djokovic choked in 4th set and was 2-4* 30-15 down in the 5th and nadal still couldn't win. no good signs for nadal imo... :shrug:

Certinfy
02-09-2012, 08:46 PM
Had Djokovic not played such a shit first set it would have been over in straights. In fact all the 3 Grand Slam finals they played should have been finished in straights yet somehow Djokovic has managed to make things a lot harder for himself.

BauerAlmeida
02-09-2012, 08:51 PM
He took 6 hours to djokovic to beat Nadal in HC, in clay it will be a hell for djokovic.

So nadal should have won in Rome and Madrid last year, but he lost in straight sets both matches.

stewietennis
02-09-2012, 08:58 PM
Had Djokovic not played such a shit first set it would have been over in straights.

Good sets and bad sets are all part of the game. No one just flips a switch and steamrolls the opposition except JesusFed from 2006. There is no "If Novak had played better…" or "If Rafa had played better… " – of course if someone had played better, they would have won. :rolleyes:

Ash86
02-09-2012, 09:13 PM
Nadal was awful in the last clay season - he lost a set to Murray at Monte Carlo (Murray! At Monte Carlo!), struggled against Ferrer in both the finals of Barcelona & MC and didn't even have one impressive match really. Yet he still lost those finals to an on-fire, peak Nole with one break in each set i.e. not a demolition like Nadal used to give to others when he was at his peak on the surface. To me that suggests the gap isn't as wide as people are making out - Nadal will hopefully be better than last year this year on clay - it remains to be seen if Novak can be as good as last year (he wasn't as good as last year at the Aus Open - far from it in fact as he his serve looked very breakable at times...).

Novak is by far Nadal's biggest challenge on clay, and always has been. But to think Nadal can't even win a set is ludicrous. For what it's worth I don't think we'll see a Nadal/Djokovic final on clay this year till RG, if at all. Nadal looks like he may skip Madrid, Novak will probably skip MC (though I wouldn't put it past him to enter to annoy Nadal ;)) - which leaves Rome and I can see Ferrer or Del Potro perhaps coming through as a finalist there.... A Del Po/Rafa or Del Po/Novak final at Rome would actually be awesome.

Certinfy
02-09-2012, 09:13 PM
Good sets and bad sets are all part of the game. No one just flips a switch and steamrolls the opposition except JesusFed from 2006. There is no "If Novak had played better…" or "If Rafa had played better… " – of course if someone had played better, they would have won. :rolleyes:
Well let me phrase it better. Had Djokovic not played the way he used to against Nadal in the first set tactic wise it would have been over in straights.

stewietennis
02-09-2012, 10:25 PM
Well let me phrase it better. Had Djokovic not played the way he used to against Nadal in the first set tactic wise it would have been over in straights.

That still says the same thing though "Had Djokovic not played the way…" – "Had Rafa stepped up his game…" – "Had Federer not choked…" – "Had Murray not played a bad 4th set…" – it's still all "What ifs"

nadalwon2012
02-10-2012, 03:32 AM
Aren't you the one who said Nadal will beat Djokovic in the AO final? :lol:
Epic fail again.

The opposite. Those who predicted Djok would win the AO final achieved nothing. They played it safe. Any dumbo could predict the favorite. They failed, because the match took 6 hours and Djok was down 4-2 in the 5th set. And Nadal proved a lot more than Djok in the AO final, by turning around the trend and revealing Djok's weaknesses, on Djok's favorite surface. Nadal and those who predicted Nadal would win the AO are the true winners.

nadalwon2012
02-10-2012, 03:36 AM
Had Djokovic not played such a shit first set it would have been over in straights. In fact all the 3 Grand Slam finals they played should have been finished in straights yet somehow Djokovic has managed to make things a lot harder for himself.

And Nadal didn't play great in the 2nd set (and 3rd set). Nadal only lost that 2nd set 6-4, despite playing poorly. Nadal wasn't far from being up 2 sets to 0.

MatchFederer
02-10-2012, 03:40 AM
Nadal will do better than that, he will win a match or two against Nole on clay. NO WAI!

rickcastle
02-10-2012, 03:40 AM
The opposite. Those who predicted Djok would win the AO final achieved nothing. They played it safe. Any dumbo could predict the favorite. They failed, because the match took 6 hours and Djok was down 4-2 in the 5th set. And Nadal proved a lot more than Djok in the AO final, by turning around the trend and revealing Djok's weaknesses, on Djok's favorite surface. Nadal and those who predicted Nadal would win the AO are the true winners.

:haha: :haha: You should record this, it will help you sleep better at night.

MatchFederer
02-10-2012, 03:44 AM
:haha: :haha: You should record this, it will help you sleep better at night.

Ahhhh, I see!!! Nole's weakness is having to play finals shortly after going through a brutal 5 plus hour match on a gritty and exhausting hard court, so that he needs a set to warm up his legs in the final and will be suffering more severely than he otherwise would at the end of the match, which in turn was good enough for him to clutch-grope Nadal about as violently as Nadal bangs Roger. All is clear, all is clear.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-10-2012, 04:30 AM
The opposite. Those who predicted Djok would win the AO final achieved nothing. They played it safe. Any dumbo could predict the favorite. They failed, because the match took 6 hours and Djok was down 4-2 in the 5th set. And Nadal proved a lot more than Djok in the AO final, by turning around the trend and revealing Djok's weaknesses, on Djok's favorite surface. Nadal and those who predicted Nadal would win the AO are the true winners.

true dedication from a nadal fan- hope nadal makes it interesting this year

Nole Rules
02-10-2012, 05:29 AM
The opposite. Those who predicted Djok would win the AO final achieved nothing. They played it safe. Any dumbo could predict the favorite. They failed, because the match took 6 hours and Djok was down 4-2 in the 5th set. And Nadal proved a lot more than Djok in the AO final, by turning around the trend and revealing Djok's weaknesses, on Djok's favorite surface. Nadal and those who predicted Nadal would win the AO are the true winners.

Poor Djoker. He has no chance against Nadal now.:sad:

MIMIC
02-10-2012, 05:30 AM
The opposite. Those who predicted Djok would win the AO final achieved nothing. They played it safe. Any dumbo could predict the favorite. They failed, because the match took 6 hours and Djok was down 4-2 in the 5th set. And Nadal proved a lot more than Djok in the AO final, by turning around the trend and revealing Djok's weaknesses, on Djok's favorite surface. Nadal and those who predicted Nadal would win the AO are the true winners.

That actually makes sense to you :hug:

MatchFederer
02-10-2012, 05:46 AM
Guys, Nadal is good at moon-balling and showing great will and determination on the court, he will get his chances.

ballbasher101
02-10-2012, 07:31 AM
The only reason the OZ open final was close is because Nadal was playing against a half dead Djokovic. The Djoker choked the 4th set big time. Lets face it the Djoker is twice the player Nadal is. Even Don Toni knows the Djoker is the better more talented player. The only way Nadal can beat Djokovic is to grind him down, that worked in the past but not now. This new Djoker is just as physically strong as Nadal.

nadalwon2012
02-10-2012, 08:24 AM
And Nadal accomplished these 6 hours with the newly weighted racquet. Nadal said before the AO that he wasn't ready and that he needs another month to adjust to the newly weighted racquet. I saw a photo of Nadal training 3 days ago. He's working hard and adjusting so he can take the world of tennis to a new level. He already is the only man in world history to win slams on clay, grass, hardcourt in a calendar year. Might as well win 4 slams in a row now and get the Rafa slam in 2013 Australia.

Houstonko
02-10-2012, 08:34 AM
Rafa did not make 4 GS finals in a row before. If he makes it in Roland Garros it is his new achievement, i have doubts so i predict he won't make the final. I will be true winner because i am only one who predict he will not make FO final. Hahaha.

nadalwon2012
02-10-2012, 10:01 AM
Rafa did not make 4 GS finals in a row before. If he makes it in Roland Garros it is his new achievement, i have doubts so i predict he won't make the final. I will be true winner because i am only one who predict he will not make FO final. Hahaha.

Only if it takes Nadal 6 hours to win the RG semi-final. If Nadal wins the semi in 3 or 4 sets your prediction won't look impressive actually.

nadalwon2012
02-10-2012, 10:23 AM
Anyway, be careful what you guys commit to when it come to writing off Nadal. Because if Nadal conquers Djok, then we are probably looking at Nadal winning about 4-6 slams in a row. He has reached a career-best level of consistency in the slams of late. And when he does beat Djok in a slam, his confidence will go from already being high to being freakish.

Alex999
02-10-2012, 11:41 AM
Anyway, be careful what you guys commit to when it come to writing off Nadal. Because if Nadal conquers Djok, then we are probably looking at Nadal winning about 4-6 slams in a row. He has reached a career-best level of consistency in the slams of late. And when he does beat Djok in a slam, his confidence will go from already being high to being freakish.
man, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You are just being so silly (wanted to say stupid, but hey). So, Nadal beats Djoko and then he wins 4-6 slams in a row (YOU WISH), lol. please... go watch more tennis matches and learn before you post your stupid sh!t here.

Hensafmurrafter
02-10-2012, 03:56 PM
According to nostalgiatards, there's no difference between clay and hard anyway :p

Ahh, nostalgitards. I've finally found my niche on MTF!!!

nadalwon2012
02-10-2012, 04:49 PM
man, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You are just being so silly (wanted to say stupid, but hey). So, Nadal beats Djoko and then he wins 4-6 slams in a row (YOU WISH), lol. please... go watch more tennis matches and learn before you post your stupid sh!t here.

Well, when Nadal regains power over Djok, Nadal won't suddenly start losing to Fed and Murray necessarily. So Nadal will go on a long streak of slam victories. And I've seen the way Nadal plays the freak servers, and I'm impressed with his undefeated record vs Isner/Karlovic/Raonic and his 10 straight wins over Berdych, and his 4 straight outdoor hardcourt wins over Tsonga, and 3 straight wins over Soderling (including 2 at RG). I think the only way to beat Nadal consistently is to beat him at his own game, as Djok has done. Because Nadal seems to counter the big guys very well, and is able to draw them into error brilliantly, and often out-clutch them in the tie-breakers too. So if we are talking about guys who can out-rally Nadal, we are talking about a very short list of players with even the potential to accomplish this. I do think Murray is one of them, but Nadal last year beat Murray at 3 slams, so say what you want about Lendl, I think Nadal will stay on top of Murray. As impressive as Murray was vs Djok (very impressive comeback from 2-5 down in the 5th), he was typically passive at crucial junctions. Whatever Lendl is planning on doing, I think there is a long way to go. Tomic may come along and threaten Nadal. We'll see. If he does though, it'll be a couple of years away at least, and it certainly won't be on clay. Tomic was one-set-all with Djok and up a break in the 3rd at Wimbledon.

Alex999
02-10-2012, 06:54 PM
Well, when Nadal regains power over Djok, Nadal won't suddenly start losing to Fed and Murray necessarily. So Nadal will go on a long streak of slam victories. And I've seen the way Nadal plays the freak servers, and I'm impressed with his undefeated record vs Isner/Karlovic/Raonic and his 10 straight wins over Berdych, and his 4 straight outdoor hardcourt wins over Tsonga, and 3 straight wins over Soderling (including 2 at RG). I think the only way to beat Nadal consistently is to beat him at his own game, as Djok has done. Because Nadal seems to counter the big guys very well, and is able to draw them into error brilliantly, and often out-clutch them in the tie-breakers too. So if we are talking about guys who can out-rally Nadal, we are talking about a very short list of players with even the potential to accomplish this. I do think Murray is one of them, but Nadal last year beat Murray at 3 slams, so say what you want about Lendl, I think Nadal will stay on top of Murray. As impressive as Murray was vs Djok (very impressive comeback from 2-5 down in the 5th), he was typically passive at crucial junctions. Whatever Lendl is planning on doing, I think there is a long way to go. Tomic may come along and threaten Nadal. We'll see. If he does though, it'll be a couple of years away at least, and it certainly won't be on clay. Tomic was one-set-all with Djok and up a break in the 3rd at Wimbledon.
ok, more reasonable post. Rafa is a great champ and he's been losing lately to Novak only. I still think that Nadal fans should be very proud of his accomplishments. Novak is on top of the world right now, but someone will dethrone him too. It's just the way life goes. nothing lasts forever...

nadalwon2012
02-11-2012, 03:25 AM
ok, more reasonable post. Rafa is a great champ and he's been losing lately to Novak only. I still think that Nadal fans should be very proud of his accomplishments. Novak is on top of the world right now, but someone will dethrone him too. It's just the way life goes. nothing lasts forever...

I know, and some things only last a year.

A reasonable post. If only you could do the same....
man, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You are just being so silly (wanted to say stupid, but hey). So, Nadal beats Djoko and then he wins 4-6 slams in a row (YOU WISH), lol. please... go watch more tennis matches and learn before you post your stupid sh!t here.

fast_clay
03-17-2012, 01:56 AM
a lot will depend on if they meet on the clay of north america over the next fortnight