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Single BH dies?

TennisGrandSlam
02-09-2012, 08:09 AM
In the past,Single BHers could stay NO.1 longer than Double BHers did (see the Statistics below).:devil:


No. of weeks of ATP ranking Singles No.1 for Single BHers (only show 5 most) :

Sampras - 286 (6 years Year End No.1), S&V, 64 titles (14 GS). :worship:
Federer - 285 (5 years Year End No.1), early S&V then Aggressive Basliner, 70 titles (16 GS). :worship:
Lendl - 270 (4 years Year End No.1), Aggressive Basliner, 94 titles (8 GS) :worship:
McEnroe - 170 (4 years Year End No.1), S&V, 77 titles (7GS)
Edberg - 72 (2 years Year End No.1), S&V, 42 titles (6GS)

Lendl, Sampras and Federer kepts solid NO.1 in his era.
McEnroe prime is also strong.


No. of weeks of ATP ranking Singles No.1 for Double BHers (only show 5 most) :

Connors - 268 (5 years Year End No.1), All court (S&V + Aggressive Basliner), 109 titles :worship:
Borg - 109 (2 years Year End No.1), Defensive Basliner, 64 titles (11 GS) :eek:
Nadal - 102 (2 years Year End No.1), Defensive Basliner, 46 titles (10 GS)
Agassi - 101 (1 year Year End No.1), Aggressive Basliner, 60 titles (8 GS)
Hewitt - 80 (2 years Year End No.1), Defensive Basliner, 28 titles (2 GS)

Borg retired too early.
Connors, Agassi shows their longevity.
Nadal faces challenge by another BHer (Djokovic)


Current No.1 Djokovic (33 weeks No.1 and running) is Double BHer (Aggressive Basliner style).


In early 2000s, less and less ATP players use S&V. (S&V dies)

Now, less and less ATP players are Single-Backhanders.

Do you think that Back Single-Backhand dies? :o


Who will the next Single BH king?


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duong
02-09-2012, 08:34 AM
It's not about the number 1 but the fact is that :

- in many tennis schools, single-handed backhand is forbidden (Johnny Groove had made a thread about it)

- very very few of the young emerging players have a single-handed backhand, I think of Dimitrov and Marti I don't know who else, and see Tomic or Dolgopolov you would think in the past he would have had a single-handed backhand

This worries me a lot, more than Federer's retiring (think of Youzhny, Kohlschreiber, Haas, Gasquet ... who would still play like them ?), and as much as the fact that tennis gets so physical now (which is a huge incitation for doping).

bouncer7
02-09-2012, 11:35 AM
Modern tennis sent it to the history where it belongs, same as players who were playing or still play that deformed shot.

Snowwy
02-09-2012, 11:40 AM
The stats you provided don't seem to prove anything or even hint at anything other than some players use a single handed backhand and some use a two-handed backhand.

Ouragan
02-09-2012, 01:12 PM
What a pity, those shots are truly beautiful. But not quite as dead yet as S&V, fortunately.

Houstonko
02-09-2012, 02:04 PM
What we gather from these facts are aggressive players who are looking to win a point stayed at number 1 longer and won more slams.

Gabe32
02-09-2012, 02:09 PM
I agree that those stats don't really indicate anything, despite the fact that one-handed backhands are, in fact, on the decline.

Which is a shame, because it can be such an interesting shot. And almost always looks better than a two handed backhand.

duong
02-09-2012, 02:15 PM
I agree that those stats don't really indicate anything, despite the fact that one-handed backhands are, in fact, on the decline.


The stats on first post, I can agree, but there are many other stats which show that it's on a HUGE decline, it's nearly dying, I think it's useless to work on such stats, that anybody can contest the fact, even Snowwy :confused:

By the way, with Gonzo, it's another SHBH player who retires

BodyServe
02-09-2012, 02:51 PM
It died a little bit more with Gonzalez retirement.

I really wish Golubev would be mentally checked and climbs up to top 20 where he belongs.

Clay Death
02-09-2012, 02:55 PM
its a very primitive tool unless your name happens to be roger federer.

the ultimate bottlom line: how many roger ferderers do you see out there.


defense rests. this primitive tool has no use in modern warfare on the tennis court.

BodyServe
02-09-2012, 03:04 PM
its a very primitive tool unless your name happens to be roger federer.

the ultimate bottlom line: how many roger ferderers do you see out there.


defense rests. this primitive tool has no use in modern warfare on the tennis court.

Are you kidding? fed topspin bh is piss-poor no penetration whatsoever (see on slow serves returns).
He gets away with it with a good slice, thats all.

Clay Death
02-09-2012, 03:16 PM
Are you kidding? fed topspin bh is piss-poor no penetration whatsoever (see on slow serves returns).
He gets away with it with a good slice, thats all.

he did manage 16 slams while having that very backhand. yes i know the rest of his game was rock solid and he moves like a cat.


still his single hander the best single handed bh is the best i have ever seen.

duong
02-09-2012, 03:39 PM
still his single hander the best single handed bh is the best i have ever seen.

I'm a huge Fedfan, but no it's not true,

and except for the slice, it's not as beautiful imo as Youzhny's or Kohli's or Haas's or Gasquet's.

Fed represents a lot for tennis imo, but the single-handed backand represents much more, and Fed was just one of the SHBH players in his era.

I don't know what "primitive" means, but I'm not among the ones who like that modernity is supposed to eradicate all things which are beautiful but not effective, I don't want beautiful things to disappear because of that vision of "efficiency".

Johnny Groove
02-09-2012, 04:47 PM
The single hand backhand will make a comeback.

As will the forehand slice.

emotion
02-09-2012, 04:53 PM
I don't think it's absolutely dead. Golubev hopefully learns to play intelligently one day, Dimitrov and Marti will be top 20

Jimnik
02-09-2012, 04:55 PM
Looks like it. :(

Mugro won't be winning any slams.

duong
02-09-2012, 04:58 PM
The single hand backhand will make a comeback.

As will the forehand slice.

with current surfaces, balls and culture of tennis, it will become marginal, as the serve-and-volley and some other shots have become.

EddieNero
02-09-2012, 05:02 PM
Single handed backhand is going to experience it's own reinassance once Nadal retires and no one will be feared of topsin anymore.

Slice Winner
02-09-2012, 06:16 PM
An interesting indicator of this...
Aus open 2007 (5 years ago) was the last time two single handers played the final of a major.
Since then, Federer is the only single hander to have played in a major final.

Can anyone remember the last time before that when two single handers played in a major final?

Dougie
02-09-2012, 06:40 PM
Look out for Federer-Haas final at this year´s Wimbledon.

Certinfy
02-09-2012, 06:47 PM
An interesting indicator of this...
Aus open 2007 (5 years ago) was the last time two single handers played the final of a major.
Since then, Federer is the only single hander to have played in a major final.

Can anyone remember the last time before that when two single handers played in a major final?
From memory, Wimbledon 2003?

samanosuke
02-09-2012, 06:52 PM
Talent dying . Consequence of those deaths is dying of single handed BH with it

Puschkin
02-09-2012, 06:57 PM
Watch it as long as it lasts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUQxb4ZtR-4

castrationcult
02-09-2012, 06:57 PM
Federer's topspin backhand is mediocre - even in this era dominated by two handers I still wouldn't put Federer in my top 5 single handed backhands.

Two of my top five single hander's played each other at the Aussie Open - Almagro & Wawrinka. Anyone watching it might see a difference in pace and penetration on both their Backhands compared to Fed's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXCKvawrmuY

I wrote a small piece lamenting the demise of single hander - link is in my sig :wavey:

martinatreue
02-09-2012, 08:11 PM
I think Federer has significantly more feel and variety than some of the others that you mentioned. I think he uses that backhand more intelligently. Ljubicic also had a great one hander. But, yes, it appears to be dying if academies are forbidding it from being taught. Making everyone play the same style is awful for the game. It definitely died a bit more when Justine Henin retired. She had perhaps the best single-hander in tennis (obviously not as powerful because she was female)

dwarf shortage
02-10-2012, 10:02 AM
Single handed backhands can be broken down easier than they were before. Beautiful tennis doesn't always win.

Houstonko
02-10-2012, 03:36 PM
I'm a huge Fedfan, but no it's not true,

and except for the slice, it's not as beautiful imo as Youzhny's or Kohli's or Haas's or Gasquet's.

Fed represents a lot for tennis imo, but the single-handed backand represents much more, and Fed was just one of the SHBH players in his era.

I don't know what "primitive" means, but I'm not among the ones who like that modernity is supposed to eradicate all things which are beautiful but not effective, I don't want beautiful things to disappear because of that vision of "efficiency".

I think Blake has the best single hander, just because his backhand is not afraid of Nadal topspin and even beaten Nadal because of that. Blake can hit it flat but Federer can't

Marc23
02-10-2012, 03:58 PM
Slowly yes!