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How many slams do you think Nadal 'needs' this year to end up with 17?

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 12:08 PM
Federer has 16 slams, in case you missed it. If Nadal wants 17, how many do you think he 'needs' this year to stay on target for that. Of course, there is a chance he could get a lot more in future years (especially with Tomic/Raonic sucking on clay), so maybe he needs none this year. But what do you think Nadal needs in 2012 to 'stay in contention' for 17 slams?

Looner
02-08-2012, 12:09 PM
Lol, he's already behind Federer in terms of slams at this age. So I don't see him catching up to Federer at all as he will age worse as well.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 12:10 PM
If Nadal wins 3 slams in 2012, I don't think there is any chance of him winning less than 16. Probably has several Roland Garros titles left. Tomic will be tough to beat at Wimbledon in future however.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 12:13 PM
Lol, he's already behind Federer in terms of slams at this age. So I don't see him catching up to Federer at all as he will age worse as well.

Problem with Federer's timeline of form is, he let himself go. Nadal is much more of a hard-worker and tries to add to his game. They are opposites in evolutionary nature. Nadal's prime years will last a lot longer. The gap between Nadal and Murray has never been greater than 2011, for example. Nadal is distancing himself from the field, making 7 of the last 8 slam finals.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3795446-3x2-940x627.jpg
Overcome Djok, and the floodgates will open.

stanch
02-08-2012, 12:20 PM
This thread is pointless now... It would make sense at the beginning of 2011 though.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 12:22 PM
This thread is pointless now... It would make sense at the beginning of 2011 though.

How is it pointless? Djok just took 6 hours to beat Nadal on Nadal's worst surface/Djok's favorite surface (just one month after Nadal switched to a heavier racquet, and after Nadal said he would not be able to adjust in time for the AO). There is a strong possibility that Nadal will win 2-3 slams this year. If that happens, that is awfully close to the record, given that Nadal would be in his PRIME entering 2013.

Time Violation
02-08-2012, 12:35 PM
Just don't have another mental breakdown when Nole takes another slam. No idea how you are still not banned, probably mods took pity.

Mystique
02-08-2012, 12:46 PM
3. Even with that, he may not surpass Fed.
If he wins two, he should hope someone other than Fed takes the other one. Fed increases his tally even by one or two, its chase over.


How is it pointless? Djok just took 6 hours to beat Nadal on Nadal's worst surface/Djok's favorite surface (just one month after Nadal switched to a heavier racquet, and after Nadal said he would not be able to adjust in time for the AO). There is a strong possibility that Nadal will win 2-3 slams this year. If that happens, that is awfully close to the record, given that Nadal would be in his PRIME entering 2013.

:rolls:

sammy01
02-08-2012, 12:47 PM
realistically he needs 2 this year i would say. the french looks on lock and all he needs is a shock loss or injury to djokovic and he is the big fave for any other slam.

federer himself got a bit lucky in 2009/10 when at the begining of it he seemed like he might struggle for another slam, very much being nadal's bitch at slams on every surface. then nadal got injured, djokovic was having serving woes and fed snagged a couple of extra slams.

stanch
02-08-2012, 12:52 PM
How is it pointless? Djok just took 6 hours to beat Nadal on Nadal's worst surface/Djok's favorite surface (just one month after Nadal switched to a heavier racquet, and after Nadal said he would not be able to adjust in time for the AO). There is a strong possibility that Nadal will win 2-3 slams this year. If that happens, that is awfully close to the record, given that Nadal would be in his PRIME entering 2013.

OK, I could somewhat agree with the first part. But a strong (?!) possibility that Rafa's going to win 2-3 GS this year? I highly doubt it. IMO the only one he could win is Roland Garros. Even Fed at Wimby and Murray at the USO have better chances than Nadal.

Conclusion, Nadal will never reach Fed's record of 16 Slams. None of the current players will.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 12:57 PM
Just don't have another mental breakdown when Nole takes another slam. No idea how you are still not banned, probably mods took pity.

What did I do? Feel free to quote.

You've obviously mixed me up with someone else. I've had nothing but positive things to say about the AO final. It was a huge accomplishment for Nadal, a miracle of sorts, considering he didn't expect anything until after February with his newly weighted racquet. That explains his unmatched elation after beating Federer. The happiest he's ever looked after a semi-final.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0605/gallery.federernadal/images/nadal-aussie.jpg

tripwires
02-08-2012, 12:58 PM
Problem with Federer's timeline of form is, he let himself go. Nadal is much more of a hard-worker and tries to add to his game. They are opposites in evolutionary nature. Nadal's prime years will last a lot longer. The gap between Nadal and Murray has never been greater than 2011, for example. Nadal is distancing himself from the field, making 7 of the last 8 slam finals.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3795446-3x2-940x627.jpg
Overcome Djok, and the floodgates will open.

Last I checked Nadal was 5 years Fed's junior.

Yup, all Nadal has to do is overcome Nole. Losing 7 finals in a row - that's nothing. :shrug:

I voted '0' since it's one of the poll options for the lulz.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 12:59 PM
Last I checked Nadal was 5 years Fed's junior.

Yup, all Nadal has to do is overcome Nole. Losing 7 finals in a row - that's nothing. :shrug:

I voted '0' since it's one of the poll options for the lulz.

Djok didn't look very convincing in that last meeting. Seems to be getting worse with each slam. Or Nadal is getting better (or both).

Time Violation
02-08-2012, 01:07 PM
What did I do? Feel free to quote.

You've obviously mixed me up with someone else. I've had nothing but positive things to say about the AO final.

It was deleted on the spot of course, nothing to quote now.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 01:10 PM
It was deleted on the spot of course, nothing to quote now.

Liar liar.

Nole Rules
02-08-2012, 01:14 PM
He needs 7 more gifts from Fed (or Murray) to win 7 more slams.

Time Violation
02-08-2012, 01:15 PM
Liar liar.

Yea, sure. Though ban wouldn't mean much I guess, soon you would come back as nadalwon2013 anyway.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 01:17 PM
He needs 7 more gifts from Fed (or Murray) to win 7 more slams.

I don't think Murray has ever benefitted Nadal at a slam. Nadal has never had the pleasure of facing Murray in a final. And when Nadal has beaten Murray in a semi-final, it has been a fairly long affair, as they trade lots of long rallies. Nadal would benefit from facing anyone else in the semis, rather than facing Murray.

Shirogane
02-08-2012, 01:20 PM
Winning any of the last 3 finals would have greatly helped his chances.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 01:21 PM
Yea, sure. Though ban wouldn't mean much I guess, soon you would come back as nadalwon2013 anyway.

You've either got me mixed up with someone else, or you are upset because I am not upset about the AO final? That's all I can think of. No post of mine has been deleted, that is a fact.

nadalwon2012
02-08-2012, 01:25 PM
Winning any of the last 3 finals would have greatly helped his chances.

Federer is living proof that a player can lose regularly at slam finals and still win 16. Nadal has one of the better GS final records in history anyway. I'm not complaining about losing 3 gs finals to Djok and 2 gs finals to Federer. Sounds good to me. 10 gs final wins, 5 losses.

Clay Death
02-08-2012, 02:34 PM
nadal is a blundering buffoon who wont bother improving his game or his fitness. i am very seriously pissed at him.

still i have to give him the next 2 french opens and maybe a wimbledon or 2.


and that is where it will all end for him.


so he will end up with 12-13 slams and well over $300 million in the bank. that is my revised estimate since he wont bother improving his game and his fitness.

MatchFederer
02-08-2012, 02:47 PM
You've either got me mixed up with someone else, or you are upset because I am not upset about the AO final? That's all I can think of. No post of mine has been deleted, that is a fact.

Since being banned on TT, I'm sure you'll be much more active here... :D :D

Welcome to the land of dreams.

Mystique
02-08-2012, 02:54 PM
Federer is living proof that a player can lose regularly at slam finals and still win 16. Nadal has one of the better GS final records in history anyway. I'm not complaining about losing 3 gs finals to Djok and 2 gs finals to Federer. Sounds good to me. 10 gs final wins, 5 losses.

First of all, Federer had won a dozen slams before he actually started to "regularly" lose slam finals. He was 7-0 in his first 7 finals. Secondly, Federer avoided the guy who beat him regularly in the finals in his next 4 slam wins. It doesnt look so pretty for poor Rafa though. And thirdly and most importantly, thats Federer you are talking about. The guy who bounces back from the most bitter defeats better than any player I have seen.

This is not to say Nadal will keep losing GS finals. As you say he has a great record in finals, has lost only to Djokovic and Federer. But everything depends on RG this year. He loses his footing there, he will not catch Fed.

Clay Death
02-08-2012, 02:59 PM
who says he has to catch fed? it is not about fed.

its about nadal at RG.

Mystique
02-08-2012, 03:07 PM
who says he has to catch fed? it is not about fed.

its about nadal at RG.

:rolleyes:
you in the wrong thread bro?

Clay Death
02-08-2012, 03:10 PM
:rolleyes:
you in the wrong thread bro?

i am just omnipresent mate.


clay death the destroyer has mastered the art of being at 10 places at the same time.

finishingmove
02-08-2012, 03:22 PM
se7en

tennizen
02-08-2012, 03:42 PM
Whatever tournaments Nadal wins this year, we call them slams. Only sensible thing to do and problem solved.

Clay Death
02-08-2012, 03:50 PM
he is not winning 17 slams on this planet or any other planet.


mods:

please drag this thread outside and have a couple of retarded donkeys with strong incontinence issues shit on it for a few days.

ossie
02-08-2012, 03:54 PM
nadal is not winning any slams this year.

Pirata.
02-08-2012, 03:55 PM
Federer is living proof that a player can lose regularly at slam finals

He lost regularly in slam finals at ONE slam on one surface.

Johnny Groove
02-08-2012, 03:57 PM
At least 1. Preferably 2.

He is turning 26 this year, and it finally seems as though he is managing his schedule well this year, not playing DC (won it enough already), and not playing Dubai. Hopefully he skips Madrid, but political pressure may force his hand.

Realistically, if he keeps up his health, I think he has 2012(25-26) for sure, 2013(26-27) as well, possibly 2014(27-28), and no way beyond 2015 (28-29).

Rafa has 4 years max left to win slams. Barring injury of course. Physical or mental. But Rafa is strong mentally, bouncing back from adversity time after time in his career.

Let's say Roger wins 1 more slam and ends at 17.

Rafa wins 1 this year(11), 2 in 2013(13), 2 in 2014(15), and 2 in 2015 (17).

Unlikely, but it could happen. He really needs to win 2 this year to have a shot at 18, which I think will end up being Rafa's true target.

Clay Death
02-08-2012, 04:08 PM
nadal is not winning any slams this year.

we know your answer. that is why nobody is asking you.

Ben.
02-08-2012, 05:26 PM
17? I'm just hoping he can get to 11. He would have needed to take the CYGS this year to have a chance to reach 17.

Jovard
02-08-2012, 05:28 PM
He will never win a slam again!

chenx15
02-08-2012, 06:16 PM
the problem with this, is rafa has ups and down year. he had a good 2008 run then after 2009 australian he disappeared until roland garros 2010. he almost had a good 2011 but Novak was there. so the chances of him getting a good 2012 is minimal. his potion/energy has that effect on him. he has up years and down years, last year was suppose to be an up year.

MIMIC
02-08-2012, 06:32 PM
At least 5

Nole Rules
02-08-2012, 06:52 PM
At least 5

Monte Carlo Slam
Barcelona Slam
Rome Slam
Tokyo Slam
Halle Slam

Already in the bag.

Mateya
02-08-2012, 07:24 PM
Monte Carlo Slam
Barcelona Slam
Rome Slam
Tokyo Slam
Halle Slam

Already in the bag.

You forgot Umag :facepalm:

-I don't think Rafito can win 17 slams, not even 16.
-If he wants to achieve that, he needs at least 2 slams this year.

I think it's mission impossible given his playing style, injuries and the opposition getting tougher all the time.

out_grinder
02-08-2012, 07:27 PM
I'd put more money on Nadal ending up with more slams than Federer than Murray getting to another Grand Slam final in his career.

EddieNero
02-08-2012, 07:29 PM
8.

Friday16
02-08-2012, 07:37 PM
Only "17" he can reach is losing 17 consecutive finals against Nole. He has a chance for this record.

BauerAlmeida
02-08-2012, 07:38 PM
I think Federer will win one more slam. Really don't think Nadal can win 7 more (I think he'll win 2 or 3). I think Djokovic has more chances of winning more slams than Nadal, than Nadal of winning more slams than Federer.

Roamed
02-08-2012, 08:01 PM
If he doesn't win one this year I'd say it's out of his reach. One or more, he can still do it. If Fed wins one this year, two.

out_grinder
02-08-2012, 08:21 PM
All this talk of Djokovic as the big man.

He only just has 5 slams, and is thus now half the player of Nadal (who sits at 10).

Djokovic is 5 times better than Del-Potro, though, and infinitely better than Murray.

Mountaindewslave
02-08-2012, 08:43 PM
Nadal MUST win at least 2 this year for this conversation to be relevant in the future whatsoever, and that is only because of the clay affect, who knows how many years he will be able to compete highly at Roland Garros

samanosuke
02-08-2012, 09:11 PM
lol

2003
02-08-2012, 09:12 PM
Nadal looked very shaky at RG last year in the earlier rounds before playing himself into form.

I actually think Nadals equal best chance this year could be the US Open, hes made 4 straight semis there, 2 straight finals, and Fed/Djoker and even Murray are going to run themselves into the ground trying to win Wimbledon/Olympic Gold.

Of course If Nadal makes the latter rounds of the French it's his best shot.

But after last year, drawing a bombing server like Raonic, Isner or even Karlovic could worry Nadal.

Not that Karlovic would have a shit show in hell of taking out Nadal on clay, but he could push him to four or 5 if the courts are playing fast.

samanosuke
02-08-2012, 09:14 PM
better question would be how many slams he needs to lose to stop with this bullshit threads

Looner
02-08-2012, 10:32 PM
All this talk of Djokovic as the big man.

He only just has 5 slams, and is thus now half the player of Nadal (who sits at 10).

Djokovic is 5 times better than Del-Potro, though, and infinitely better than Murray.

At this point last year Djoko had 2 and now he sits on 3 more whilst Rafita sits on 1. 7-0 finals and 3-1 in slam count, by your logic, suggests that Djoko is at least 3 times better than RN so he should have little trouble winning a few more and catching up if Nadull can't overcome him.

nadalwon2012
02-09-2012, 03:59 AM
Nadal looked very shaky at RG last year in the earlier rounds before playing himself into form.

I actually think Nadals equal best chance this year could be the US Open, hes made 4 straight semis there, 2 straight finals, and Fed/Djoker and even Murray are going to run themselves into the ground trying to win Wimbledon/Olympic Gold.

Of course If Nadal makes the latter rounds of the French it's his best shot.

But after last year, drawing a bombing server like Raonic, Isner or even Karlovic could worry Nadal.

Not that Karlovic would have a shit show in hell of taking out Nadal on clay, but he could push him to four or 5 if the courts are playing fast.
Have Raonic, Isner, Karlovic won even ONE match against Nadal? The problem is, Nadal is great at tie-breakers vs big servers. So its very hard for them to beat Nadal. They miss 1st serves in the tie-breaker because they are nervous, and then Nadal breaks their service points because all he usuually has to do is get into a rally and the service freaks go for a big winner to end it and miss. Nadal is the best player on tour at playing big servers.

Jimnik
02-09-2012, 04:06 AM
Nadal won't win 17 slams. I predict 12-14.

He should win RG this year, possibly Wimbledon.

Clay Death
02-09-2012, 04:18 AM
i am surprised this thread is still here.

at the rate he is going, i am about to take grass away from too.

but we will give him the benefit of the doubt:

1. 1 additional wimbledon
2. 2-3 additional RG titles

why not. he has 4-5 years to accomplish this.

so the ultimate bottom line: 13-14 slams total

Mystique
02-09-2012, 04:19 AM
Have Raonic, Isner, Karlovic won even ONE match against Nadal? The problem is, Nadal is great at tie-breakers vs big servers. So its very hard for them to beat Nadal. They miss 1st serves in the tie-breaker because they are nervous, and then Nadal breaks their service points because all he usuually has to do is get into a rally and the service freaks go for a big winner to end it and miss. Nadal is the best player on tour at playing big servers.

:lol:My god you make me laugh.

FedvsNole
02-09-2012, 04:31 AM
Nadal has been surpassed in baseline tennis by djokovic. Nadal cannot beat djokovic anymore hence the 7 loses in a row. Australia was close only because nole was tired and came out flat in the first set after his 5 hour with andy. The only way nadal wins any more slams or titles is most likely hoping someone else takes out nole. Nadal cannot beat nole anymore and definetely not at a slam. Everyone will see nadal get destroyed at roland garros if djoker plays nadal. Remember nole eat rafa alive on the two clay matches last year. They were not even competitive.

the end

bouncer7
02-09-2012, 05:31 AM
Not even one. Agassi won 60% of his titles after he got 29y/o. Rafa just need 40%(of 17) and he's not yet 26

SheepleBuster
02-09-2012, 05:34 AM
Federer has 16 slams, in case you missed it. If Nadal wants 17, how many do you think he 'needs' this year to stay on target for that. Of course, there is a chance he could get a lot more in future years (especially with Tomic/Raonic sucking on clay), so maybe he needs none this year. But what do you think Nadal needs in 2012 to 'stay in contention' for 17 slams?

Rafa is Novak's b****. Alright? Stop trolling man. Nadal won't even pass Sampras. The better question is, how many slams Novak needs to win to pass Rafa next year :) :devil:

Johnbert
02-09-2012, 06:20 AM
he won't end up with 17. but if so, he needs to win all remaining 3 slams this year...

HKz
02-09-2012, 06:22 AM
nadalwon2012 just trying to find any support out there to calm his emotions.

Houstonko
02-09-2012, 07:01 AM
I think Nadal has only 1 more Roland Garros and its unlikely to come this year. He will get injured again soon.

nadalwon2012
02-09-2012, 07:22 AM
:lol:My god you make me laugh.

Nadal has won his last 10 matches vs Berdych (11-3 overall). Nadal has never lost to Karlovic (4-0). Nadal has never lost to Isner (3-0). Nadal has never lost to Raonic (2-0). Nadal owns the crap out of big servers, and has fun doing it. Nadal leads Tsonga 6-3, and Nadal has won their last 4 outdoor hardcourt meetings :lol:

nadalwon2012
02-09-2012, 07:24 AM
I think Nadal has only 1 more Roland Garros and its unlikely to come this year. He will get injured again soon.

Nadal has been injured continuously actually, and has made 7 of the last 8 slam finals. So looks like injuries are good. Nadal has said before that he enjoys pain.

tripwires
02-09-2012, 07:35 AM
Maybe he's not really injured.

Houstonko
02-09-2012, 07:44 AM
Nadal has won his last 10 matches vs Berdych (11-3 overall). Nadal has never lost to Karlovic (4-0). Nadal has never lost to Isner (3-0). Nadal has never lost to Raonic (2-0). Nadal owns the crap out of big servers, and has fun doing it. Nadal leads Tsonga 6-3, and Nadal has won their last 4 outdoor hardcourt meetings :lol:

Nadal lost to Tsonga in WTF2011. That's on a real fast court. Of course the serve is useless when majority of surfaces don't skid nowadays. Put him on such a court and let's see how he retreive and hit passing shots.

nadalwon2012
02-09-2012, 08:10 AM
Nadal lost to Tsonga in WTF2011. That's on a real fast court. Of course the serve is useless when majority of surfaces don't skid nowadays. Put him on such a court and let's see how he retreive and hit passing shots.

Yeah I know, that's why I said the last 4 outdoor hardcourt meetings. Everyone can beat Nadal at the indoor World Tour Finals anways, because in addition to being indoors he's usually way past his best physically by that time of the year and also seems to lack motivation to an extent. And this time the Spanish Davis Cup captain was saying how he didn't want Nadal and Ferrer to play the World Tour Finals. But that was a close 3 setter Tsonga won over Nadal at the WTF, so pretty impressive from Nadal, he would have advanced to the semis if he won that 3rd set. But I doubt Nadal would want to be in the semis, considering the Davis Cup final was about to happen. WTF isn't a fast hardcourt by the way, it's a medium pace low-bouncing hardcourt. It's slower than the US Open.

ossie
02-09-2012, 08:17 AM
we know your answer. that is why nobody is asking you.
just wondering, how long are you going to stay around when nadal fails to win roland garros.

zlaja777
02-09-2012, 10:27 AM
How is it pointless? Djok just took 6 hours to beat Nadal on Nadal's worst surface/Djok's favorite surface (just one month after Nadal switched to a heavier racquet, and after Nadal said he would not be able to adjust in time for the AO). There is a strong possibility that Nadal will win 2-3 slams this year. If that happens, that is awfully close to the record, given that Nadal would be in his PRIME entering 2013.

You had exactly the same awful logic after Miami 2011 and look what happend. :lol:

I don't blame you since "Rafa es Dios" from your POV.

Time Violation
02-09-2012, 10:48 AM
You had exactly the same awful logic after Miami 2011 and look what happend. :lol:

I don't blame you since "Rafa es Dios" from your POV.

That is not going to stop him from having it next year as well :p

nadalwon2012
02-09-2012, 01:01 PM
You had exactly the same awful logic after Miami 2011 and look what happend. :lol:

I don't blame you since "Rafa es Dios" from your POV.

Back in Miami 2011 I had not even seen this forum let alone joined it. No idea what you are talking about.

Time Violation
02-09-2012, 01:05 PM
Back in Miami 2011 I had not even seen this forum let alone joined it. No idea what you are talking about.

Don't worry, we all believe you :lol:

zlaja777
02-09-2012, 01:06 PM
Back in Miami 2011 I had not even seen this forum let alone joined it. No idea what you are talking about.

Sure.

nadalwon2012
02-09-2012, 01:14 PM
You clowns are from the twilight zone I guess.

Jimnik
06-11-2012, 01:03 PM
He "needs" all he can get. Can't see him winning 17 without at least a 2nd slam this year.

Johnny Groove
06-11-2012, 01:05 PM
Well 16 is unlikely, 17 is almost impossible.

He will need AT LEAST one more this season.