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Date Collision - Washington 500 & London Olympics

JurajCrane
02-08-2012, 10:56 AM
I wonder how ATP made the calendar for 2012 giving Washington 500 Series Tournament in a same week with London Olympics, it it little bit weird.

What will be players decision ? 56 of 65 players (due to rankings 6.2.12) are eligible to play Olympics, only players like Verdasco, Granollers, Benneteau, Llodra, Andujar, Ferrero, Montaňes, Blake and Chardy are OUT in Olympics because of maximum 4 players per country.

I personnaly think playing Washington 500 tournamnent with just 9 players of top 65 is a great chance for another players - maybe more interesting than playing Olympics, because of huge prize money and af course, ranking points are great at 500´s.

What do you guys think ? Prefer Olympics (yes, nationality-thing + olympics once in 4 years) or Washington 500 (low level of players, great chance for somebody ranked, let´s say 60 to make a breakthrough)?

Certinfy
02-08-2012, 11:00 AM
It's stupid scheduling. Should have put a 250 that week.

JurajCrane
02-08-2012, 11:08 AM
Yeah, imagine you´re ranked 59-65. You can choose between playing Olympics with biggest stars of tennis and hoping to reach at least Round 2 or playing weak 500 (!) tournament. I think very hard decision.

Sonja1989
02-08-2012, 11:11 AM
I think not everyone wants really to play Olympics. Washington won't have as weak list as we expect now.

duong
02-08-2012, 11:24 AM
Interesting question : I wonder who will choose to play Washington indeed, it will get interesting in next months to know about that.

How about American players especially ?

I don't think the list will be as bad as you think but it will be surely weaker than previous years ... where Washington already was one of the weakest ATP500 tournaments).

Then yes : it will be cheap points.

Not only that but also I guess that players who will choose not to play the Olympics might be better prepared for Toronto on next week,
and that with all of the best players playing the Olympics, maybe playing also doubles, mixed doubles, with the different surface and jetlag, Toronto might get a "cheap tournament" as well, not a "top-4" property.

I guess choosing not to go to the Olympics might be a very good choice ranking-wise.

I wonder how ATP made the calendar for 2012 giving Washington 500 Series Tournament in a same week with London Olympics, it it little bit weird.

I think they had no choice : Los Angeles, Atlanta and Newport "own their week in the calendar", they paid for that, and they had no interest in changing themselves.

Sonja1989
02-08-2012, 11:27 AM
Yeah, American players.. Especially Isner and Roddick had great successes in Washington earlier. I bet they will play there. :)

Nixer
02-08-2012, 11:31 AM
Yeah, I highly doubt all eligible players will go to Olympics... tennis is clearly not prestigious as an Olympic sport, plus some clay players wouldn't want to waste time playing on grass.

Snowwy
02-08-2012, 11:40 AM
Anyone not in their countries top 4 can play.

sammy01
02-08-2012, 12:11 PM
As a gilles simon fan i wouldn't mind him playing washington instead of the olympics. Obviously he will probably want to be part of the olympics but realistically he has a much better shot at winning washington than a medal.

Certinfy
02-08-2012, 12:21 PM
Yeah, American players.. Especially Isner and Roddick had great successes in Washington earlier. I bet they will play there. :)
Given it's at Wimbledon I doubt Roddick will choose to play Washinton instead. Maybe even the same for Isner considering that epic 2 years ago.

Sonja1989
02-08-2012, 12:25 PM
Given it's at Wimbledon I doubt Roddick will choose to play Washinton instead. Maybe even the same for Isner considering that epic 2 years ago.

It's true as well.. But Isner is better on hard, I hope his decision will be Washington.

Henry Chinaski
02-08-2012, 01:08 PM
the idea that a guy like Isner would choose Washington over The Olympics is laughable.

bouncer7
02-08-2012, 02:31 PM
It's not about money, points... Most of players would much prefer to be part of Olympic opening ceremony then to won Washington.

JurajCrane
02-08-2012, 02:34 PM
I don´t think that Roddick or Isner would play Washington, really. But there´s a big chance for Verdasco to improve his ranking in Washington.

For example, Lukas Lacko´s goal for 2012 was to get to Olympics, and he could be out after one day of play. Washington would be better choice, IMO.

I am very curious, which players decide to play Olympics or skip it, could be interesting.

duong
02-08-2012, 02:52 PM
I'm not as sure as some other ones about Roddick's, Fish's or Isner's decisions.

Washington will certainly propose a lot of money to Roddick, and he played there instead of the Olympics during the last Olympics in Beijing (yes the fact that it was in Beijing certainly played a role in that).

And he's already committed to Atlanta two weeks before the Olympics (Isner as well)

TBkeeper
02-08-2012, 03:08 PM
i have a feeling how Davydenko gonna play Washington :D :D :D

duong
02-08-2012, 03:20 PM
For the top-30 players, playing Washington would also be good ranking-wise because it would count as one ATP500 tournament played.

Remember that those who won't play 4 ATP500 tournaments this year will get a zeropointer in their ranking (except if they consider the Olympics like the ATP500 tournaments for that rule but I guess not because they don't need to motivate players to play that).

By the way, I've still not heard of the number of ATP points which they will give for the Olympics.

If it was like in 2008, it would be 800 points for the winner, between an ATP500 tournament and a MS1000 tournament.

yesh222
02-08-2012, 03:27 PM
No one of any stature will skip the Olympics at Wimbledon just to play Washington. It's not happening.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-08-2012, 03:41 PM
Washington > London Olympics

JurajCrane
02-08-2012, 03:48 PM
Washington > London Olympics

:facepalm:

ossie
02-08-2012, 03:53 PM
Washington > London Olympics
end of thread

Johnny Groove
02-08-2012, 04:01 PM
It's a great chance for players ranked 50-100 or more, even the qualies will be good chance.

Lots of money and points to be earned there and even in Toronto the next week. If I was ranked 60 in the world or something, outside top 4 in USA, for sure I'd play Washington and Toronto instead of Olympics.

But if I am eligible for Olympics, no doubt I'm going.

It all depends on rank.

emotion
02-08-2012, 04:48 PM
Washington field will be awful, if all Olympic potential players play, who is the top seed, Granollers?

duong
02-08-2012, 04:50 PM
But if I am eligible for Olympics, no doubt I'm going.

It all depends on rank.

yes actually from all of the eligible players by rank, very few of them refused to go in 2008 from what I checked : Roddick, Fish and Gasquet from what I checked (maybe Haas but it may be related with the German Federation).

Then well yes, I guess players will come.

But ranking-wise I think it would be a better choice for many to go to Washington.

Washington would still have the 5th Spaniard or the 5th French ...

Sauletekis
02-08-2012, 04:51 PM
It's a great chance for low ranked players that DON'T HAVE a choice. But if any player can choose, they will choose Olympics without 2nd thoughts. Even if Tennis is not a famous olympic sport. Olympics are always a highlight of your carreer no matter whitch sport you play.

Plus, ATP ranks it's for a year. You have lots of chances to score points. Olympics it's an event that you will have the opportuunity to play from 4 to 4 years.

And about the filed being very weak in Washington and very stron in London, I should remember to you all, that not that long time ago, Massu won the gold medal...

Sauletekis
02-08-2012, 04:53 PM
Players don't care so much about rankings as some people think here. Rankings it's temporary. You can go up and you can go wdown in a matter of weeks. Playing the olympics it's a lifetime opportunity.

duong
02-08-2012, 05:10 PM
Players don't care so much about rankings as some people think here. Rankings it's temporary. You can go up and you can go wdown in a matter of weeks. Playing the olympics it's a lifetime opportunity.

yes I agree,

but maybe it's different for the American players : yes it was Beijing there was jetlag and politics involved, but last time Roddick, Fish, and also Isner from what it seems, didn't want to go to the Olympics (contrary to Blake, Ginepri and Querrey)

munZe konZa
02-08-2012, 05:30 PM
Players don't care so much about rankings as some people think here. Rankings it's temporary. You can go up and you can go wdown in a matter of weeks. Playing the olympics it's a lifetime opportunity.

of course it is but only for amateurs and non professionals. Having professionals playing olympics is nothing but diluting the purpose and making it commercial. No one will go to olympics with a purpose of watching tennis. There is also a thing of overexposure.

munZe konZa
02-08-2012, 05:33 PM
No one of any stature will skip the Olympics at Wimbledon just to play Washington. It's not happening.

So let me guess this right, there is a regular wimbledon and then there is olympics at wimbledon a month later?
Is this some kind of a joke or more proof that mixing pro sports with olympics is non sense?

guichard
02-08-2012, 05:37 PM
yes actually from all of the eligible players by rank, very few of them refused to go in 2008 from what I checked : Roddick, Fish and Gasquet from what I checked (maybe Haas but it may be related with the German Federation).

Then well yes, I guess players will come.

But ranking-wise I think it would be a better choice for many to go to Washington.

Washington would still have the 5th Spaniard or the 5th French ...
olympic ranking points here http://2012.itftennis.com/olympics/players/ranking-points.aspx

Ibracadabra
02-08-2012, 05:39 PM
Surely the clay mugs prefer hardcourt? players like almagro, chela, monaco, berlocq and nadal will opt for washington

emotion
02-08-2012, 05:40 PM
Almagro does seem most likely of top players to skip (would make it quite the contest whether Verdasco or Granollers got 4th spot)

JurajCrane
02-08-2012, 05:48 PM
Almagro is actually not that bad on grass, he has a solid serve with good FH & BH. Only players like Chela, Berlocq a co. are questionable, imo.

wally1
02-08-2012, 05:57 PM
of course it is but only for amateurs and non professionals. Having professionals playing olympics is nothing but diluting the purpose and making it commercial. No one will go to olympics with a purpose of watching tennis. There is also a thing of overexposure.I wouldn't be sure sure about that. Every single ticket for the olympic tennis in London has been sold - I know, I applied for lots and didn't get any!

emotion
02-08-2012, 06:09 PM
Almagro is actually not that bad on grass, he has a solid serve with good FH & BH. Only players like Chela, Berlocq a co. are questionable, imo.

Berlocq is better on grass than hard imo

AsianSensation
02-08-2012, 06:24 PM
As it's my hometown tournament, the fact that it's been paired with the past two Olympics, and now for a third time has been pretty fucking annoying.

munZe konZa
02-09-2012, 01:40 AM
I wouldn't be sure sure about that. Every single ticket for the olympic tennis in London has been sold - I know, I applied for lots and didn't get any!

I guess I underestimate people stupidity who would rather watch another tennis match than the sports that olympics was designed for , which is once in a lifetime occasion.

smitty8
02-09-2012, 02:04 AM
As it's my hometown tournament, the fact that it's been paired with the past two Olympics, and now for a third time has been pretty fucking annoying.

As a season ticket box holder, I agree with you! Last time, it wasn't a horrible field, but it wasn't great, either. This time, Roddick won't be there (I am pretty sure I remember him saying last year that he was playing the Olympics). I am curious to see some names mentioned since I've heard NONE so far. I just know that if no one I'm interested in seeing is there, I'd rather save the $50 a day roundtrip on gas and tolls and just go to work. I can always post my ticket for sale somewhere, but who knows if anyone would buy it.

TennisGrandSlam
02-09-2012, 02:50 AM
I remember JMDP played Stuttgart (From 07.07.2008, defeated Richard Gasquet in final), Kitzbnhel (From 14.07.2008, defeated Jurgen Melzer in final), Los Angeles (From 04.08.2008, defeated Andy Roddick in final) and Washington (From 10.08.2008, defeated Viktor Troicki in final) in series in 2008. Then he played US Open and lost to Andy Murray in QF.

One year later, he won US Open (defeated FEDCOW in final).

In that year, he skipped Olympics (His ranking miginally lower than qulification + 4 players per Nation)

MuzzahLovah
02-09-2012, 08:02 AM
As a gilles simon fan i wouldn't mind him playing washington instead of the olympics. Obviously he will probably want to be part of the olympics but realistically he has a much better shot at winning washington than a medal.

I know Gilles is better on hard courts, but at this point he is losing to nobodies in 250's more often than not, so maybe representing his country at the Olympics might snap him out of it.

mooncreek
02-09-2012, 07:38 PM
I keep seeing Granollers' name come up for Washingon but, even though he's not one of the top 4 Spaniards in singles, he's still likely to make the Olympics squad due to his doubles ranking. At this moment, he's #43 there, behind #41 David Marrero and #42 Marc Lopez. If Rafa played doubles, it'd likely be with Marc Lopez - which leaves Feliciano Lopez in need of a doubles partner for the second team. Verdasco doesn't have a way to qualify for that Olympics spot outside of singles play while Granollers does.

Matt01
02-10-2012, 12:58 PM
Surely the clay mugs prefer hardcourt? players like almagro, chela, monaco, berlocq and nadal will opt for washington


:stupid:

rocketassist
02-10-2012, 01:07 PM
:stupid:

No sense of humour??

Matt01
02-10-2012, 01:12 PM
No sense of humour??


No.

pesto
02-10-2012, 07:37 PM
I guess I underestimate people stupidity who would rather watch another tennis match than the sports that olympics was designed for , which is once in a lifetime occasion.

But almost everything has sold out. Lots of people will have tried to get tickets for all the "classic" Olympic sports AND the tennis, and got zilch.

And people who have been trying for years, yet failing to get Wimby tickets in the ballot may see this as another chance to go there.

OnyxRose
02-10-2012, 07:44 PM
If Roddick is still eligible by the time, he's going to London. He's already said as much.

MattATP
04-24-2012, 01:32 AM
Any early commitments? No threads in the tournament forum, and the the tourney's website has no info as well.

Chase Visa
04-24-2012, 01:56 AM
Who will decide to play Washington rather than the Olympics? lol.

Isner and Fish might, as might some of the clay courters.

Thunderfish8
04-24-2012, 03:10 AM
If the Olympics draw is 64 people which i believe it is (or 56 or 48 or something), then players ranked around 40-60 might opt to play in Washington because they'd have a much better chance at gaining ranking points than they would by losing to a top 10 player first round in London.

Maybe an opportunity for Nalbandian to reclaim the title?

Also, Stepanek will have to decide which is more important to him, defending 500 points and a title or playing for czech republic in the olympics.

Mountaindewslave
04-24-2012, 03:54 AM
make no mistake, almost all players will TRY to play olympics who are eligible....

olympics is one of the biggest world events, and although obviously tennis Olympics is not quite as huge as some other sports, players all are aware of the importance the event is to their countries. Washington will blow which is quite sad for me since I live 40 minutes away and frequent the tournament :/

chowdahead25
04-24-2012, 06:07 AM
I can almost guarentee Roddick will play London. To skip a grass court olympics would be next to insane, same for Isner. Only American I can see skipping is Fish, but he won't either.

CelesteBlanca
04-24-2012, 06:51 AM
Also, Stepanek will have to decide which is more important to him, defending 500 points and a title or playing for czech republic in the olympics.

At least he has confirmed to play mix doubles with Kvitty.

CelesteBlanca
04-25-2012, 06:41 AM
Fish will play Washington

Nagime
05-02-2012, 01:36 PM
And Granolles is already confirmed in London, as a doubles pair to Nadal. Bad for Lopez

mike s.
05-02-2012, 02:04 PM
Who will decide to play Washington rather than the Olympics? lol.

Isner and Fish might, as might some of the clay courters.

Fish is skipping but Isner has repeatedly confirmed he's playing the Olympics.

JurajCrane
05-02-2012, 03:34 PM
It can sounds weird but I am really looking forward to Washington this year. Firstly, who will enter this tournament.