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Davis Cup 1R (France vs Canada) - WWW Rubber 4: Tsonga vs Raonic?

BroTree123
02-07-2012, 11:56 PM
:eek:

Stronga23
02-08-2012, 12:07 AM
:eek:

Jo in four tight sets :yeah:

Nixer
02-08-2012, 12:13 AM
It can't be rubber 1, both are top players on their teams..

BroTree123
02-08-2012, 12:18 AM
It can't be rubber 1, both are top players on their teams..

Yeah probably most likely....there isn't info yet about who's playing first and what not.

Stronga23
02-08-2012, 12:22 AM
It will probably be Tsonga-Pospisil and Monfils(Sounds like he is going to give it a go)-Raonic on Day 1 and then switched around on Day 3.

Snowwy
02-08-2012, 12:41 AM
Tsonga in 3.

shuhrat
02-08-2012, 12:43 AM
"The number one ranked player of each team shall play against the number two ranked player of the opposing team on the first day, and the order of play shall be decide by lot. The number one ranked player of each team shall play the third singles match. The number two ranked players shall play the fourth singles match."

which means it will be the first match on Sunday, if the tie isn't decided by then. :unsure:

BroTree123
02-08-2012, 12:46 AM
"The number one ranked player of each team shall play against the number two ranked player of the opposing team on the first day, and the order of play shall be decide by lot. The number one ranked player of each team shall play the third singles match. The number two ranked players shall play the fourth singles match."

which means it will be the first match on Sunday, if the tie isn't decided by then. :unsure:

So yeah Rubber 3 as I guessed.

Caralimon
02-08-2012, 01:06 AM
So yeah Rubber 3 as I guessed.

Rubber 4.

ossie
02-08-2012, 01:45 AM
if tsonga loses this match he should retire because it would mean raonic can do everything tsonga does but better.

BroTree123
02-08-2012, 01:49 AM
Rubber 4.

Tsonga and Raonic are the top players of their respective teams, so Rubber 3. I remember now because of the Davis Cup final last year -- the two highest ranked players take the stage on the 3rd Rubber; Rafa and del Potro.

Edit: Your right, it's Rubber 4 :o.

BroTree123
02-08-2012, 01:52 AM
if tsonga loses this match he should retire because it would mean raonic can do everything tsonga does but better.

Yeah, except Tsonga can crush Hewitt while Raonic can't even make a dent on the washed-up bogan :o.

Ibracadabra
02-08-2012, 01:55 AM
Tsonga and Raonic are the top players of their respective teams, so Rubber 3. I remember now because of the Davis Cup final last year -- the two highest ranked players take the stage on the 3rd Rubber; Rafa and del Potro.
The 3rd rubber is the doubles.

Stronga23
02-08-2012, 01:58 AM
Yeah, except Tsonga can crush Hewitt while Raonic can't even make a dent on the washed-up bogan :o.

Well fucking said man :D

ossie
02-08-2012, 02:00 AM
Yeah, except Tsonga can crush Hewitt while Raonic can't even make a dent on the washed-up bogan :o.lets hope he saves tennis then

BroTree123
02-08-2012, 02:11 AM
The 3rd rubber is the doubles.

Woops sorry....I keep thinking about singles today :o. Maybe cauz I don't care about doubles :o.

shuhrat
02-08-2012, 10:46 AM
Yeah, except Tsonga can crush Hewitt while Raonic can't even make a dent on the washed-up bogan :o.
There are match-up issues though. Compared with Hewitt who is a great returner, Tsonga vs. a big server is a different story. How handily Tsonga can crush Hewitt is irrelevant to this encounter, IMO.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-08-2012, 11:05 AM
Will be an entertaining match. Jo in 4.

adam10
02-08-2012, 12:38 PM
France will get a 3-0 lead ,then this match would never happen.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 12:56 AM
Alrighty *rubs hands*. This match is definitely happening :drool:.

allpro
02-12-2012, 01:02 AM
tsonga is moving extremely well and striking the ball hard and clean. i just don’t see him losing tomorrow.

jo willy in four.

SapELee
02-12-2012, 01:03 AM
Probably Tsonga in 4.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:03 AM
I, in the other hand, think Raonic will win this in four tough sets. Provided Milos plays like he did in his 1st rubber against Benny, Tsogna will have too much kryptonite to handle. A shame though, I like both guys but I'm rooting for Jo.

romismak
02-12-2012, 01:05 AM
I was really looking forward to this match since schedule was done, Jo vs Milos in quick indoor arena, best of 5 match, by far most expecting match in this whole 1st round of DC matches, hard to pick who will win, i expect at least 4 sets, possibly 5 with multiple Tie-breaks this time, both are too good on serve and with their agressive groundstrokes it will be very rare to see any BP´s. Also they aren´t best returners so really Tie-breaks should be about mentally advantage.

Stronga23
02-12-2012, 01:06 AM
I, in the other hand, think Raonic will win this in four tough sets. Provided Milos plays like he did in his 1st rubber against Benny, Tsogna will have too much kryptonite to handle. A shame though, I like both guys but I'm rooting for Jo.

Jo needs to win dont know if I can take the pressure of Gael in a fifth rubber.

Jimnik
02-12-2012, 01:08 AM
Tsonga 7-6 7-6 7-6.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:09 AM
Jo needs to win dont know if I can take the pressure of Gael in a fifth rubber.

Should be alright, should it go to the 5th rubber. I think Gael would be playing Pospisil, and he ain't playing all that well at the moment.

Sunset of Age
02-12-2012, 01:10 AM
Looking forward to this match!
My cash will be on Jo-Willie, due to his experience.
Watch me bleed tomorrow. ;)

Ravel
02-12-2012, 01:12 AM
Hopefully, Tsonga in 3 quick sets, maybe even a sub-in for Milos :p (I'm not trusting ML to be smart enough for that though). I'd rather Raonic be a little fresher for San Jose/Memphis.

He has plenty of points to defend in the next 2 weeks.

allpro
02-12-2012, 01:18 AM
Looking forward to this match!
My cash will be on Jo-Willie, due to his experience.

that too.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 01:28 AM
Hopefully, Tsonga in 3 quick sets, maybe even a sub-in for Milos :p (I'm not trusting ML to be smart enough for that though). I'd rather Raonic be a little fresher for San Jose/Memphis.

He has plenty of points to defend in the next 2 weeks.

Well, there's a bit of a crossroad here. Would you rather want Milos have success in a short-term manner by having him "fresh" to defend his upcoming points.....OR do you want him to have continued success by having a chance to boost his long-term confidence when he gets a crack at Tsonga?

MaratandMilos
02-12-2012, 02:26 AM
I'd rather Milos play a competitive match with Tsonga. It's great experience, he needs to learn how to play and beat the best in the world on a high pressure stage. Can't say I care much at all about what he does at San Jose, nor do I understand why anybody would.

Defending points at a 250 ATP event really shouldn't be high on his priority list considering his larger aspirations for this season and beyond.

Johnny Groove
02-12-2012, 02:42 AM
Vamos Raonic.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 03:35 AM
I think every set they gonna play, will go to a TB. This surface is fast as fuck.

MuzzahLovah
02-12-2012, 03:48 AM
Tsonga- the french team feed off the positive energy from each other, and Benny's and Llodra's great performance should boost Tsonga, while Raonic will be disappointed and tired from today's match. While I'm rooting for France overall, I'll keep rooting for Popsicle, who is one of my favorite young players.

AllezUSA
02-12-2012, 03:56 AM
Stronga will punk Lurch. Book it. USA vs. France in quarters.

156mphserve
02-12-2012, 04:22 AM
Can't believe someone would want Milos to be subbed out of a live rubber, especially a canadian who roots for Canadians:facepalm:

It doesn't matter how much of a long shot it is if a match is live you always play it. You don't just say no, what's the point, we not gonna win the other one anyway. That's an insanely stupid way of looking at things, and extremely pessimistic.

Do hcokey teams not play the 3rd period because they're down 5-0, and don't want to tire themselves out to lose anyway?

Do Baseball teams quit when they're down 11-1 in the 8th because they've got a day game the next day?

No.

Sure it would be great if he was rested for San Jose, but this is Davis Cup, and you don't quit until the other team has 3 wins. Even if it seems like a long shot. Milos has a bye in round 1 of San Jose anyway, and if he really felt like he'd be tired he wouldn't have scheduled an exhitibion in San Jose. And San Jose is only a 250 event. It's not like it's insanely critical he be rested.

Milos can win this match, though it is unlikely. And if he does, we're not out of it, Vasek usually plays well against higher ranked players(though he wasn't good against Tsonga). He beat Chela with the home crowd in Montreal last year. Took out Isner in Tokyo. And beat Sela while playing for Canada in Israel. Plus with Monfils' injury who knows exactly fit he will be, and if it's Benneteau, it wouldn't be impossible to pull that upset either.

It's just crazy to think that you would sub someone out of the 4th rubber because you're down 2-1, and you don't think you can win the last:facepalm:

gulzhan
02-12-2012, 04:26 AM
Raonic can win :unsure:

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 04:28 AM
The poll results :facepalm:. It's like people forget that Raonic is a big server.

MaratandMilos
02-12-2012, 05:03 AM
Can't believe someone would want Milos to be subbed out of a live rubber, especially a canadian who roots for Canadians:facepalm:

It doesn't matter how much of a long shot it is if a match is live you always play it. You don't just say no, what's the point, we not gonna win the other one anyway. That's an insanely stupid way of looking at things, and extremely pessimistic.

Do hcokey teams not play the 3rd period because they're down 5-0, and don't want to tire themselves out to lose anyway?

Do Baseball teams quit when they're down 11-1 in the 8th because they've got a day game the next day?

No.

Sure it would be great if he was rested for San Jose, but this is Davis Cup, and you don't quit until the other team has 3 wins. Even if it seems like a long shot. Milos has a bye in round 1 of San Jose anyway, and if he really felt like he'd be tired he wouldn't have scheduled an exhitibion in San Jose. And San Jose is only a 250 event. It's not like it's insanely critical he be rested.

Milos can win this match, though it is unlikely. And if he does, we're not out of it, Vasek usually plays well against higher ranked players(though he wasn't good against Tsonga). He beat Chela with the home crowd in Montreal last year. Took out Isner in Tokyo. And beat Sela while playing for Canada in Israel. Plus with Monfils' injury who knows exactly fit he will be, and if it's Benneteau, it wouldn't be impossible to pull that upset either.

It's just crazy to think that you would sub someone out of the 4th rubber because you're down 2-1, and you don't think you can win the last:facepalm:
Yeah, basically that. Not to mention that it's actually better for him if he plays it. When you look at it from the point of experience for the future, this match is way more important than whether he's fresh to play Tobias Kamke in a 250 event next week.

156mphserve
02-12-2012, 05:14 AM
If Milos wins this, France will be deflated, and the Canadian fans will be rocking and will carry Vasek to victory, book it:yeah:

Milos will probably lose though

Mountaindewslave
02-12-2012, 05:29 AM
I really gota feeling it will be Raonic; he is playing well and I think he definitely may be more inspired playing for Canada than Tsonga is for France. Milos has more to prove, his country has more to prove. and seriously I just don't see Tsonga having much success handling the Raonic serve. very interesting matchup as both serve huge and both like to approach the net.

Tsonga moves better, Raonic serves better, Tsonga has better Variety/Groundstrokes, Raonic probably more efficient at the net, both generally seem to handle themselves well physically in matches.

on paper Tsonga, but I voted Raonic in 4 just a feeling, if he is serving well he definitely has this

shiaben
02-12-2012, 05:39 AM
Tsonga in 4.

EddieNero
02-12-2012, 08:20 AM
Tsonga's poor returning may cost him this match. If Jo wants to win he needs to settle all sets before tie-breaks because Raonic will have the edge in the additional game.
That said, I'll go with the Frenchman in 4.

BroTree123
02-12-2012, 08:31 AM
On paper, it should be definitely Raonic. The higher ranked player isn't always seen as the favourite -- it's also the match-up issue as well.

Tsonga will have to play absolutely perfect if he is to win this. Any slip up and he's a goner. Otherwise he's just gotta pray for Milos to have a bad day.