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So far, when was Murray's best chance to win a slam?

Johnny Groove
02-07-2012, 01:11 AM
He'd had plenty of opportunities since his Wimbly 08 breakthrough.

USO 08, first slam final, beaten by Fed.
AO 09, betting favorite going into the event, but lost to Verdasco
Wimbledon 09, losing to Roddick in the SF, I think this was his best chance.
USO 09- Was actually the #2 seed here, but lost disappointingly to Cilic in R16
AO 10- Epic TB vs. Fed in finals
Wimbledon 2010- Lost in straights to Nadal
AO 2011- Outclassed in finals vs. Djoker
Wimbledon 2011- Has Nadal right where he wants him before fucking up
USO 2011- Never really had a shot here, Nadal too good.
AO 2012- Took Djoker to 5 sets in SF

Stronga23
02-07-2012, 01:13 AM
USO 08 Fed was lacking confidence and Murray just played the best match of his life and was really close to winning the second set in the final.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-07-2012, 01:50 AM
2008 for sure:rolleyes:

Mongoose
02-07-2012, 01:55 AM
um, obviously the 2010 US Open :wavey:

anytime Nadal wins a tournament (much less a major) on a fast hard court means it was a massive opportunity for all other 127 players in the field.

including Murray

why is this even a question? :facepalm:

green25814
02-07-2012, 02:12 AM
AO 2010 for me. He played below par but he was also fairly unlucky. If he'd been better and had more luck you never know.

Also Wimbledon 09 is a good shout, but against Federer on grass? Eh, tough one.

Johnbert
02-07-2012, 05:44 AM
i think it would have been a great chance to win a slam if he had won the semifinal against djoker at ao 2012...

MuzzahLovah
02-07-2012, 06:32 AM
Yep, I'm going to go with the most recent one. If he had converted one of the break points against Djoker and some how pulled it out, he definitely would have performed better against Nadal than he had in previous finals.

Captain Piranha
02-07-2012, 06:42 AM
Yep, I'm going to go with the most recent one. If he had converted one of the break points against Djoker and some how pulled it out, he definitely would have performed better against Nadal than he had in previous finals.

Yep I agree, but also the Verdasco match sticks out. I remember waking up, hoping Andy would be through in 3-4 sets & the match was still ongoing at 2-2. I believe on that surface, Nadal was there for the taking & he would have had another chance in a final.

Wimbledon one's are difficult, Murray is at the stage of looking very Henman like in reaching comfortable semi finals but on grass still looks just under the top tier at this stage.

Hard courts still remain his best opportunities to win slams, for now. He found in very difficult to maintain a good level vs Nadal at Wimbers. Interesting to see what the year holds. His US open performances since 08 have been very up & down, semi final last year but losing to Cilic & Wawrinka were disappointing results.

n8
02-07-2012, 08:20 AM
US Open 2008. Murray beat Federer in their two matches before this and their four matches afterwards (all on hard). Murray also didn't have much media pressure on him at this stage (relatively). Murray was in stunning form at the time, winning Cincinnati before the Open and going on a 14-match winning streak after.

AO 2008 wasn't Murray best chance, but winning more points in his match against eventual finalist in round one (Tsonga) was a brutal first round draw if I ever saw one.

Li Ching Yuen
02-07-2012, 09:24 AM
USO09.

He is the type of player that could've annihilated Del Potro in a long match.
All of his finals were against players that were at a level at the time inaccessible to Andy Murray.

2003
02-07-2012, 09:31 AM
Tough one;

Ill go with AO 08 though.

Hed have fancied his chanced against Rafa and Djokovic for sure.

Jamoz
02-07-2012, 09:35 AM
USO09.

He is the type of player that could've annihilated Del Potro in a long match.
All of his finals were against players that were at a level at the time inaccessible to Andy Murray.

Nice avatar there :D;)

JurajCrane
02-07-2012, 09:41 AM
I think Murray hasnīt chance to win a slam yet, sorry. In every tournament mentioned in poll you can find far better player.

leng jai
02-07-2012, 09:47 AM
US Open 2008. Murray beat Federer in their two matches before this and their four matches afterwards (all on hard). Murray also didn't have much media pressure on him at this stage (relatively). Murray was in stunning form at the time, winning Cincinnati before the Open and going on a 14-match winning streak after.

AO 2008 wasn't Murray best chance, but winning more points in his match against eventual finalist in round one (Tsonga) was a brutal first round draw if I ever saw one.

I remember watching that match and Federer putting on a forehand masterclass for the first two sets. So realistically not a great chance to win.

n8
02-07-2012, 10:11 AM
I remember watching that match and Federer putting on a forehand masterclass for the first two sets. So realistically not a great chance to win.

I stand by my choice. Murray was nervous in the first, lost it 6-2. But in the second I think he was the better player. Murray would have been up 3*-2 in that set had the linesperson not missed the call (at 4:02 in the video below) on the baseline on breakpoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acr01iwvtpY

Certinfy
02-07-2012, 10:15 AM
Yep, that line call screwed Andy big time. Was definitely his best chance I say.

finishingmove
02-07-2012, 10:21 AM
AO 2010 vs Retirerer

JurajCrane
02-07-2012, 10:31 AM
Yep, that line call screwed Andy big time. Was definitely his best chance I say.

Then why the hell Murray did not take a challenge ? This thing is for situations like this.

He didnīt take it and then complained about that call ... :cuckoo:

Certinfy
02-07-2012, 10:38 AM
Yes because a player is really going to stop play to challenge a ball on a huge point. :rolleyes:

JurajCrane
02-07-2012, 10:40 AM
Yes because a player is really going to stop play to challenge a ball on a huge point. :rolleyes:

Point is, if he hasnīt enough balls to take it, he has no right to complain. ;)

n8
02-07-2012, 10:59 AM
Then why the hell Murray did not take a challenge ? This thing is for situations like this.

He didnīt take it and then complained about that call ... :cuckoo:

You hit the ball expecting a call, the call doesn't come, you realise your hit will still give you a good chance of winning the point, then you don't challenge. Most top players would do this. In a split second Murray has got to decide if his chance of winning the rally or winning the challenge is higher. He chose the wrong one but that's not his fault, it's the linesperson's.

leng jai
02-07-2012, 11:01 AM
How far out was it? Hard to tell in that video. If a guy is hitting a skidding slice that deep that chances are you're on the back foot in the rally and you should go for the challenge if you think its clearly out. Obviously very tough for Murray in that situation though.

Clydey
02-07-2012, 11:06 AM
2008 could have been very different. Bad line call cost Murray in the second set, which would have put him up a break. That said, I'm not convinced he would have taken advantage.

Clydey
02-07-2012, 11:09 AM
I remember watching that match and Federer putting on a forehand masterclass for the first two sets. So realistically not a great chance to win.

To be honest, Federer was incredible in both major finals against Murray. It's a bit of a myth that Murray played poorly in the 2010 final. He was fairly decent, but Federer was incredible in those first two sets.

Mystique
02-07-2012, 11:16 AM
So what if Murray had a bad call in the second set against Federer? He had the challenge option and didn't use it.It is not the first time a lines person got it wrong and it wont be the last. Many tennis matches would have had different outcomes if not for one or two bad calls. Of the top of my head, say Federer-Safin AO05? I distinctly remember Federer's BH DTL at 15-30 5 all in the fifth on Safin's serve was bang on line but was called out. Back then there wasnt even the challenge option. So instead of two BPs to serve for the match, it was 30 all. Stuff like this ALWAYS happens in tennis. And anyway, Murray was getting broken easily that match, even if it had been *3-2, there really is no guarantee he wud have taken advantage of it.
Personally, I just dont think he would have beaten Federer that day. Fed was desperate to salvage his slamless year and played out of his mind that match, he was being super aggressive and Murray was obviously a little nervous in his first GS final.

IMO, AM's best chance to win a slam was Wimbledon '11 - He just SHOULD have beaten Nadal in that semi, he was outplaying him for one and half sets before fucking it up and I would have fancied his chances against Novak on grass, and AO09 - He was playing the best tennis of anyone that time, seemed to have both Federer's and Nadal's numbers and went and lost to Verdasco:rolleyes:
Wimbledon 09 - I am in two minds here. Sure Federer played a rather bad final eventually, and maybe Murray would have beaten him but we mustnt forget that Fed was playing Roddick - the guy who never troubled him. His mentality would have been different against Murray. However, I would say he had a pretty decent, but not a very good chance had he made the final. Fed was going for that number 15 afteralll;)
AO'10, Federer was hitting the ball like a dream that day, but Murray should have made it closer. Still may not have won though. As for AO'11, I actually expected Murray to win that one against Djokovic - it was a fine chance getting to play neither Nadal nor Federer in a slam final and he played such a horrible match that I felt it would serve the guy right to never win a slam

Sham Kay
02-07-2012, 11:18 AM
AO 2010 for me. He played below par but he was also fairly unlucky. If he'd been better and had more luck you never know.

Also Wimbledon 09 is a good shout, but against Federer on grass? Eh, tough one.

Could say that about the other 126 people who fail to win any given grand slam

Mystique
02-07-2012, 11:26 AM
I just dont get people saying AO'12. Murray had a difficult draw on paper but it really opened up for him, he played Nishikori in the Quarters FGS. And then, was involved in a marathon against Novak. I am damn certain that even if he had beaten Djokovic in the semis, he would have been flat against Nadal in the final. Djokovic is the only guy who stood a chance against Nadal after a match like that.

JurajCrane
02-07-2012, 11:28 AM
You hit the ball expecting a call, the call doesn't come, you realise your hit will still give you a good chance of winning the point, then you don't challenge. Most top players would do this. In a split second Murray has got to decide if his chance of winning the rally or winning the challenge is higher. He chose the wrong one but that's not his fault, it's the linesperson's.

It was very hard to decide you wrote. But that was also for linesperson, not just for Murray then ;)

We cannot exactly say if it was out or not, so it wasnīt a fault of linesperson ... and if, these things happen.

chalkdust
02-07-2012, 01:40 PM
I find it quite hard to choose. Good thread!

As others have said, I think AO '08 is a candidate, even though he had a first round loss. Couldn't have had a tougher 1R draw (Tsonga), almost beat him, and he was the bookies' favourite for good reason. (Edit: Was he favourite? Maybe I am thinking of AO '09, but I definitely thought he had a decent chance.)

I barely saw US '08 because I had a terrible stream to a tiny village in the Swiss Alps. But my sense was that this was psychologically a match too far for Andy after his heroics in the semi.

AO '09 was another great opportunity. It was a pity that Verdasco hit the form of his life in this tournament, but I had the feeling that Andy was really in his passive phase, and vulnerable to any big hitter.

Wimbledon '09 (lost 5-set SF to Roddick) was definitely a decent chance, but not convinced it was the best.

US '09 (l. Cilic): what can I say, if you lose in 4R to Cilic, you're not looking like a tournament winner, but I didn't actually see the match.

AO '10: Fed too good in the final, but I suppose you could say Andy was unlucky to encounter Fed on one of his better days.

Wimbledon '10: crushed by Rafa in the semis.

AO '11: played terribly, crushed by Novak. Hard to say what would have happened had he played well, but Nole on the way to a 43-match winning streak.

Wimbledon '11: Outplayed Rafa for 1.5 sets, then imploded. One of his better opportunities, but even if he hadn't imploded, it's hard to say whether he could have maintained his level sufficiently to win 3 sets. Would have been a tough final also.

US '11: Outplayed by Rafa, couldn't really see him beating either Rafa or Novak in this tournament.

AO '12: Almost beat Novak in the semi, but I don't think he would have overcome Rafa in the final. Rafa was playing his best ever hard court tennis, and was utterly relentless. Only Novak has the weapons and mental and physical stamina to triumph in those circumstances.

So, I would rank them:
1. AO '09
2. AO '08 (not in poll)
3. US '08
4. Wb '09
5. AO '10
6. AO '11
7. Wb '11
8. AO '12
9. US '11
10.Wb '10
11.US '09

romismak
02-07-2012, 03:07 PM
HArd to say which one, he was playing great slams and lost badly in finals-he was playing worse than his average that slam and his opponents were in F at very high level- 08 USO -Roger was hungry to win at least one slam and really was playing great, AO 10 Roger turned out that match with Davy, then destroyed Tsonga and in F was playing very high level too, Nole AO 10 lost 1 set in TB to Dodig since that match was playing really great.

But who the hell is voting for 2012 AO? if he would make it past Nole, do you honestly think he stand any chance against Rafa in F? It is almost miracle that Novak has beaten Rafa in that long match under circumstances that he played day and half ago another super long 5 set match, I am sure Andy wonīt physically survive 5th setter, not even 4 setter, the way Rafa and Andy are playing and how slow surface was, 1 set is at least 1 hour, if not 1hour and half, so only chance for Andy in F against very good Rafa-serving better and hitting FH bigger was to win in straight sets... so AO 2012 wasnīt his best chance for sure...

BauerAlmeida
02-07-2012, 04:25 PM
AO 2010 probably.

MIMIC
02-07-2012, 04:28 PM
Djokovic, Nadal, or Federer would be waiting for him in all of those finals (unless I'm mistaken), so I don't think he could have won any of them.

Fuser59
02-07-2012, 06:15 PM
I remember watching that match and Federer putting on a forehand masterclass for the first two sets. So realistically not a great chance to win.

To miki....

I agree no one is even close when he starts like that....btw you are the 1. person from Serbia that enjoys Fed...so massive respect..

Sauletekis
02-07-2012, 06:22 PM
LOL at some delusional people here. This last slam was his biggest chance? :facepalm:

Had he beat Nole, and Nadal would destroyed him. Andy doesn't got the same fitness level of Nole, specially when recovering from on match to another. He would have ZERO stamina in the final.

Fuser59
02-07-2012, 06:24 PM
For me his best chance yet would have been Wb'10...that GS was the worlst Slam in the last decade...the fact Nadal won it without too much trouble hurt me so much.... but than again I think he will never beat Nadal in Wimby...so his BEST CHANCE MUST BE the Olympics this year...remember this....I have a feeling he will win that one...

Vida
02-07-2012, 06:38 PM
honestly... I cant think of any.

EddieNero
02-07-2012, 06:42 PM
US Open 2003.

Singularity
02-07-2012, 06:50 PM
I think Wimbledon 2009 was his best chance. Fed played shit in the final against Roddick, and won in large part because of Roddick's poor returning.

In the finals Murray played, he lost to an in form Federer or Djokovic. He'd need to play his best possible tennis to stand a chance in that type of encounter.

rocketassist
02-07-2012, 07:08 PM
I remember watching that match and Federer putting on a forehand masterclass for the first two sets. So realistically not a great chance to win.

Yep. He was pretty powerless despite the bad call.

The answers are any of the three Wimbledon semis. The Roddick one, having set point in the third and not getting it done when Fed was playing like shite all tournament.

Set point in the 2nd against Nadal in 2010 with slam virgin Berdych awaiting, and then letting one missed forehand disintegrate him in the 2011 repeat. Djokovic in a Wimbledon final? Very beatable, especially given how much better Murray serves at Wimbledon than he does at other tournaments.

If he avoids Nadal in his Wimbledon draw this year, he can beat just about anybody else. He finds it hard to strike a flat ball on grass, and that's why Nadal has his number there more than anywhere else.

DDrago2
02-07-2012, 07:34 PM
Who gived a damn

Sham Kay
02-07-2012, 08:35 PM
Who gived a damn

On a seperate note, the clowns of MTF past have been severely overrated.

stewietennis
02-07-2012, 08:41 PM
I believe his best chance was AO this year, in the Djokovic match, after he won the third set. That was his best chance to win the whole thing – even if he still had to face Rafa in the finals. Once Murray rolled over in the fourth set in the semis, he pretty much lost the match. It's strange because it's only the semis, as opposed to the other major finals he was in, but through the first three sets in the semis, it seemed like Murray's mindset/emotions was in the right place.

Ben.
02-07-2012, 08:46 PM
As has been mentioned, Wimbledon 2009 was a big one. Seemed to have a clear path to the finals, a string of wins over Federer, who was mediocre at the time. Granted Roddick played a very good semi to beat him.

His performances in his two AO finals were just poor, especially 2011, that was inexcusable and has to stand as his biggest chance, playing a Djokovic who also had something to prove. A complete collapse after losing a long rally at 4-4, similar to when he checked out against Nadal at Wimbledon last year. I think Federer played better than everyone was expecting in 2010 and Murray never really got going until the third set, which he then refused to win.

This past AO was another good chance. Would have been very high on confidence if he had taken out Djokovic, and given the beating he gave Rafa in their last match, he would have had a good shot, though it is entirely possible (even probable) he would have just failed to post again.

USO 2008 was too early, and although early exits to Verdasco, Cilic and Wawrinka are poor it's impossible to say these were good chaces.

NID
02-07-2012, 09:26 PM
Just watched 2007 and 2008 USO finals, and have to disagree with the assessment that 2008 final was close. Muzza just wilted under pressure. Djoko did too in 2007, but Muzza's collapse was swift and the resistance much weaker.
2012 AO? He was at a much higher level.

ssin
02-07-2012, 10:48 PM
his best chance will come this year

r2473
02-07-2012, 10:55 PM
IW 2011 - Just unlucky to run into Donald Young so early

Miami 2011 - Just unlucky to run into Bogomolov so early

Sham Kay
02-07-2012, 11:48 PM
IW 2011 - Just unlucky to run into Donald Young so early

Miami 2011 - Just unlucky to run into Bogomolov so early

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Murray already clinched the Miami Slam in 2009 actually.. I take back my laughter.

2003
02-08-2012, 12:01 AM
AO 2012 was 50/50 at best.

If he capitulated against Nadal in SW19 in 2011, a shitter Nadal than 2012 AO, I couldnt see him beating him there.

But he has beaten Nadal in AO before.

But the truth of the matter is he was down and out in the 5th set to Djokovic. So in some senses it was Djoker who let him back in. If Joker had taken his chances we wouldnt be even suggesting it cause he never would have had break points at 5-5. He probably would have been broken back even if he took them anyway.

The one he butchered was 2009 AO. He would have beaten Nadal, he was shit against Verdasco and Verd is a bigger mental midget than Murray.

Dont think he would have passed Roger in the final, but whos to say.

Truth of the matter is he hasnt really had 1 single great chance to be honest.

ossie
02-08-2012, 12:46 AM
ao 2012 i think, he was very close to beating djoker. had he done so he could have beaten nadal as well imo.

Jovard
02-08-2012, 04:49 PM
Never actually, he is just a mug and alawys finds a way to screw himself :shrug:

Houstonko
02-09-2012, 06:56 AM
Yep, that line call screwed Andy big time. Was definitely his best chance I say.

Even if murray broke Federer that match he is lucky and will get broken back. Face it, with federer hitting like this murray is always going to get broken. The court is really fast in 2008 USO Final and i can't see some of the Federer forehands.

adam10
02-09-2012, 01:51 PM
none and never

rocketassist
02-09-2012, 02:22 PM
ENGLISH Rafole tards have no business commenting.