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When Will Gasquet Make Another Grand Slam Quarter-Final?

Certinfy
02-06-2012, 09:44 PM
Hard to believe it but he's only ever done it once in his career which was at Wimbledon 2007 which he made the semi's in.

Time Violation
02-06-2012, 09:49 PM
Only one QF? Wow, thought he had more than that.

Certinfy
02-06-2012, 09:55 PM
Only one QF? Wow, thought he had more than that.
Just shows how overrated he has been though. Saying that though he's definitely somewhat good enough to make a few more quarters, I mean even guys like Almagro have more than him. :help:

Guga_fan
02-06-2012, 09:58 PM
Can't see him doing it this year, as much as I want it. If he ever makes it again it will probably be at Wimbledon, since it's the only place he decides to play on the baseline.

Seingeist
02-06-2012, 10:02 PM
It takes perseverance and is accordingly difficult to reach the QF of a Slam.

Richie doesn't like difficult things. He won't make another QF.

leng jai
02-06-2012, 10:06 PM
Hes made the 4th round on 10 other occasions :facepalm:

Stronga23
02-06-2012, 10:09 PM
What amazes me is people break out the Clownga and Clownfils jokes when both of them have at least made one GS QF every year since 2008. Gasquet and Simon will never be on their level.

Time Violation
02-06-2012, 10:11 PM
Just shows how overrated he has been though. Saying that though he's definitely somewhat good enough to make a few more quarters, I mean even guys like Almagro have more than him. :help:

Marin Cilic also has more, and he's not even playing for some time. I don't know, how did he get that "baby Fed" tag anyway? Seems like Fed in his early 40s will have more QFs.

leng jai
02-06-2012, 10:13 PM
What amazes me is people break out the Clownga and Clownfils jokes when both of them have at least made one GS QF every year since 2008. Gasquet and Simon will never be on their level.

Clownga isn't really justified. Clownfils is - guy is just a massive waste of potential. The difference with the other two guys is that they are gimped by their physique while Gasquet also has a severe lack of testicular fortitude.

Stronga23
02-06-2012, 10:17 PM
Marin Cilic also has more, and he's not even playing for some time. I don't know, how did he get that "baby Fed" tag anyway? Seems like Fed in his early 40s will have more QFs.

Cilic will be a beast when he gets healthy. Played Fed really good at the Open.

Stronga23
02-06-2012, 10:18 PM
Clownga isn't really justified. Clownfils is - guy is just a massive waste of potential. The difference with the other two guys is that they are gimped by their physique while Gasquet also has a severe lack of testicular fortitude.

Totally agree with you his finals record is just :o. Simon at leats puts up results like pushing Fed to 5 at AO or beating DelPo at USO. Gasquet never does anything in a major.

lalaland
02-06-2012, 10:21 PM
What amazes me is people break out the Clownga and Clownfils jokes when both of them have at least made one GS QF every year since 2008. Gasquet and Simon will never be on their level.

Well, ppl didn't even expect Simon to be able to turn pro when he was a junior, whilst expectations on the other 3 were sky high since they are all very good in junior.

I know nobody think much of Simon on MTF, but he at least gets a lot out of what he got, if only he has a little bit more muscles to put some weight on his shots...but he doesn't.

leng jai
02-06-2012, 10:23 PM
Anyone who thought Gasquet would dominate the tour was delusional. Sure he is supremely talented in some areas but his physique is a huge limitation in this era. All this before you take into account his lack of balls.

Stronga23
02-06-2012, 10:26 PM
Well, ppl didn't even expect Simon to be able to turn pro when he was a junior, whilst expectations on the other 3 were sky high since they are all very good in junior.

I know nobody think much of Simon on MTF, but he at least gets a lot out of what he got, if only he has a little bit more muscles to put some weight on his shots...but he doesn't.

Very true I love Simon he is a tactical genuis. I am just glad Gael finally beat him. I really wanted him to beat Isner last year at the Open because I think he could have beat Murray.

lalaland
02-06-2012, 10:27 PM
BTW, not that I like Nico much, but he's a very talented player, easily a Top 8 clay courter every year, so him making 2 QFs in RG is not that surprising.

yuri27
02-06-2012, 10:31 PM
The epitomizing of underachieving.
Hard to believe that a guy who was able to regularly give trouble to peak Federer at 18-19 years old got worse with age.

Stronga23
02-06-2012, 10:34 PM
The epitomizing of underachieving.
Hard to believe that a guy who was able to regularly give trouble to peak Federer at 18-19 years old got worse with age.

Monfils took a set off of Fed in his GS semifinal and was damn close to sending it to a fifth set.

yuri27
02-06-2012, 10:36 PM
Anyone who thought Gasquet would dominate the tour was delusional. Sure he is supremely talented in some areas but his physique is a huge limitation in this era. All this before you take into account his lack of balls.

I think you'll find many people who thought he would compete with Nadal for number one spot after his performance at MC 2005 where he not only had the run of life but also played some stunning tennis (especially for a 18 year old player).
For example, i can guarantee you that after US Open 2006, if you'd ask most of tennis fans who they thought would win a GS beetween Djoker and Gasquet in the future, at least 60% of them would have probably answered Gasquet (especially after Djoker's pathetic performance against Hewitt in that US Open).
What a lot of people including me underestimated in his case though was that he wouldn't improve his fitness nor his other weaknesses even by a little bit with age.
Unique case of a male player peaking at 18-19 (even at 20, he was probably playing worse than at 19,even though he made the TMC that year).

yuri27
02-06-2012, 10:37 PM
Monfils took a set off of Fed in his GS semifinal and was damn close to sending it to a fifth set.

But Monfils was much older than Gasquet when Gasquet beat Fed and took a set from him at Toronto 2006 final.
Not to mention Federer was already past his peak when Monfils troubled him.

BauerAlmeida
02-06-2012, 10:39 PM
In RG I think.

HKz
02-06-2012, 10:40 PM
Only one QF? Wow, thought he had more than that.

He has made the 4th round of a slam 11 times which still isn't shabby. Still the second week of an event. But against the best players in the world he is much too weak mentally.

I don't think he was ever underachieving. Sure he has at the very least decent amount of talent, obviously especially off the backhand side, but his forehand is poor, his serve is mediocre and mentally he was always quite bad. So what he has accomplished is truthfully what he has deserved. Hard to swallow for most Gasquet fans, but he has had plenty of time to try to improve his serve and forehand but they seem just as they were in 2005 and all these years of being on the tour doesn't seem to have hardened his mental game.

Nole Rules
02-06-2012, 10:45 PM
He has reached only one QF in a GS?!! :spit: :haha:
Baby Fed indeed.

Stronga23
02-06-2012, 10:45 PM
But Monfils was much older than Gasquet when Gasquet beat Fed and took a set from him at Toronto 2006 final.
Not to mention Federer was already past his peak when Monfils troubled him.

True Gasquet also beat Monfils in AO 2007. Richard still has a chance and he has made the second week three out of the last four slams but I really thought he would take it up a level when he beat Fed and Berdych in Rome and almost took the first set off Nadal.

yuri27
02-06-2012, 10:47 PM
He has made the 4th round of a slam 11 times which still isn't shabby. Still the second week of an event. But against the best players in the world he is much too weak mentally.

I don't think he was ever underachieving. Sure he has at the very least decent amount of talent, obviously especially off the backhand side, but his forehand is poor, his serve is mediocre and mentally he was always quite bad. So what he has accomplished is truthfully what he has deserved. Hard to swallow for most Gasquet fans, but he has had plenty of time to try to improve his serve and forehand but they seem just as they were in 2005 and all these years of being on the tour doesn't seem to have hardened his mental game.

You have to admit though that one would have expected far better things from a guy who's had the results (and even more, the showings) he had at 18-19 years.
There must have been something wrong with this guy, either in term of work ethic either in term of mental toughness and/or motivation.

leng jai
02-06-2012, 10:50 PM
The facts:

- His forehand is an abomination. One of the worst rally forehands in the top 50.
- Serve not good enough and never will be due to his physical limitations.
- Plays a taxing style from 2 metres behind the baseline while he has poor stamina. A real head scratcher this one.
- Mentally folds at critical moments far too often.
- His matches against Federer in 2005 severely skewed the hype train.
- Still only 25. He still has time for a few good slam runs

yuri27
02-06-2012, 10:52 PM
The facts:

- His forehand is an abomination. One of the worst rally forehands in the top 50.



The strange and funny thing is that his attacking FH is really deadly but unfortunaly, it happens so rarely.

Hewitt =Legend
02-06-2012, 10:53 PM
When he stops standing 14 metres behind the baseline.

And borrows Dodig's balls of steel.

yuri27
02-06-2012, 10:55 PM
The facts:
- His matches against Federer in 2005 severely skewed the hype train.


There were not only his matches against Federer.
His performances against Murray at Toronto 2006 1/2 final, Nadal in MC 2005 or Hewitt at US Open 2006 were truly worth the hype but unfortunately, you could already see a dangerous pattern: 2 of those 3 matches were losses.......

HKz
02-06-2012, 10:55 PM
You have to admit though that one would have expected far better things from a guy who's had the results (and even more, the showings) he had at 18-19 years.
There must have been something wrong with this guy, either in term of work ethic either in term of mental toughness and/or motivation.

Well, yes, hard to say you didn't expect more from him, but at the same time, he was after all just a teenager, plenty of teens get these great wins here and there because they have nothing to lose. Then when they actually become a name, people expect something from them and then the mental challenge is evident. Personally, I didn't think much of his success since they were merely at Monte Carlo/Hamburg and even then, Hamburg was an utter joke of a draw for him. Had he taken a big scalp at Roland Garros, or at least some slam event, then I think the hype could be much more logical. Though he did make the second week of Wimbledon and US Open, the only big name he took out was Ljubicic.

I think he is a bit lazy in terms of his ethic and probably just as stubborn because any coach should be heavily working on his serve and forehand, which again, didn't improve much at all IMO. It is like he thinks he could win events merely with his backhand.

leng jai
02-06-2012, 10:57 PM
Well, yes, hard to say you didn't expect more from him, but at the same time, he was after all just a teenager, plenty of teens get these great wins here and there because they have nothing to lose. Then when they actually become a name, people expect something from them and then the mental challenge is evident. Personally, I didn't think much of his success since they were merely at Monte Carlo/Hamburg and even then, Hamburg was an utter joke of a draw for him. Had he taken a big scalp at Roland Garros, or at least some slam event, then I think the hype could be much more logical. Though he did make the second week of Wimbledon and US Open, the only big name he took out was Ljubicic.

I think he is a bit lazy in terms of his ethic and probably just as stubborn because any coach should be heavily working on his serve and forehand, which again, didn't improve much at all IMO. It is like he thinks he could win events merely with his backhand.

Definitely not the case IMO. Its more like hes been a rut for the last few years or is just content with his middling results.

yuri27
02-06-2012, 10:58 PM
When he stops standing 14 metres behind the baseline.

And borrows Dodig's balls of steel.

He is standing 14m behind the baseline purely because of his atrocious rally FH technique (Murray's FH technique looks world class in comparaison).
I think it's now obvious to anyone who followed all of his matches closely.
Once the opponent hits on his FH side, the ball falls short and then the opponent immediately takes control of the rally which results in Gasquet being obliged to play defensively.
It's really that simple.

ballbasher101
02-06-2012, 10:59 PM
The facts:

- His forehand is an abomination. One of the worst rally forehands in the top 50.
- Serve not good enough and never will be due to his physical limitations.
- Plays a taxing style from 2 metres behind the baseline while he has poor stamina. A real head scratcher this one.
- Mentally folds at critical moments far too often.
- His matches against Federer in 2005 severely skewed the hype train.
- Still only 25. He still has time for a few good slam runs



Well written post with a number of good points . The forehand has pretty much held back his progress just like Murray's forehand has prevented him from winning a major. Still though he should have made more deep runs in slams over the years. Being owned by someone like Ferrer who has no real weapons pretty much shows how overrated Gasquet is.

yuri27
02-06-2012, 11:01 PM
Well, yes, hard to say you didn't expect more from him, but at the same time, he was after all just a teenager, plenty of teens get these great wins here and there because they have nothing to lose.

I see your point but honestly, you will VERY rarely see a teenager play to the level he played at MC 2005.
I've followed tennis for 20 years and i don't quite remember having ever seen a 18 year old guy played some of the stuff Gasquet played against Federer and Nadal in 2005.That was that freakish.

Well written post with a number of good points . The forehand has pretty much held back his progress just like Murray's forehand has prevented him from winning a major. Still though he should have made more deep runs in slams over the years. Being owned by someone like Ferrer who has no real weapons pretty much shows how overrated Gasquet is.


.......or how much he has underachieved. :p
Does anyone believe he can still make a deep run at Wimbledon??
Until last year, i was convinced of that but since that terrible performance against Murray (particularly mentally), i'm not so convinced of that anymore.

leng jai
02-06-2012, 11:02 PM
Well written post with a number of good points . The forehand has pretty much held back his progress just like Murray's forehand has prevented him from winning a major. Still though he should have made more deep runs in slams over the years. Being owned by someone like Ferrer who has no real weapons pretty much shows how overrated Gasquet is.

Ferrer is a nightmare match up for Gasquet. Hes better off playing someone with a few weapons and less consistency than a guy like Ferrer who is just unbelievably solid while possessing seemingly endless stamina. Gasquet himself doesn't have the weapons to even hurt Ferrer so its no surprise that he finds himself grounded out of the match after one tough set. He'll hit a few nice backhands but he doesn't have anything to trouble Ferrer for the meat of their matches.

HKz
02-06-2012, 11:08 PM
Honestly, you will VERY rarely see a teennager play to the level he played at MC 2005.
I've followed tennis for 20 years and i don't quite remember having ever seen a 18 year old guy played some of the stuff Gasquet played against Federer and Nadal in 2005.That was that freakish.




.......or how much he has underachieved. :p

Who cares of the perceived quality of play, the W at the end is what matters. Plus, what do you mean you have never seen players around his age play amazingly? Both Becker and Chang weren't even 18 and they were playing amazing, to the point of winning titles including slams. Then you have plenty of other geniuses like Hewitt, McEnroe even Federer who had great successes either in terms of titles or strong GS runs. So in the thick of things, in terms of actual success, not some subjective thought of how good he looked like he was playing, what Gasquet achieved was far from unique or extraordinary.

ballbasher101
02-06-2012, 11:11 PM
Ferrer is a nightmare match up for Gasquet. Hes better off playing someone with a few weapons and less consistency than a guy like Ferrer who is just unbelievably solid while possessing seemingly endless stamina. Gasquet himself doesn't have the weapons to even hurt Ferrer so its no surprise that he finds himself grounded out of the match after one tough set. He'll hit a few nice backhands but he doesn't have anything to trouble Ferrer for the meat of their matches.


Well said. Against Ferrer he pretty much looks lost as soon as the match begins. It is sad to watch at times. Of all the French players Tsonga might have had a better career had he not suffered severe injuries early in his career. The rest are just embarrassing, especially the tactical genius Monfils :haha:

yuri27
02-06-2012, 11:14 PM
Who cares of the perceived quality of play, the W at the end is what matters. Plus, what do you mean you have never seen players around his age play amazingly? Both Becker and Chang weren't even 18 and they were playing amazing, to the point of winning titles including slams. Then you have plenty of other geniuses like Hewitt, McEnroe even Federer who had great successes either in terms of titles or strong GS runs. So in the thick of things, in terms of actual success, not some subjective thought of how good he looked like he was playing, what Gasquet achieved was far from unique or extraordinary.

I was not talking in term of results but mostly in term of play.
And sorry but no, guys like Federer,Chang,Hewitt or Becker weren't as eye-dropping(i don't remember the expression) at 18 as Gasquet was.
Hewitt for example was already a great player at 18 but there was nothing "magical" or stunning in his game other than his defense,fitness and mental toughness.

Seingeist
02-06-2012, 11:14 PM
Definitely not the case IMO. Its more like hes been a rut for the last few years or is just content with his middling results.

Yeah, I think it's the latter.

If he was truly dedicated, he could improve his fitness and work on his serve and forehand. As it is, he's making a decent living and probably enjoying his life. :cool:

Gagsquet
02-06-2012, 11:41 PM
Can't believe Certinfy made this thread. Joke poster.

ossie
02-06-2012, 11:51 PM
much better players around

BroTree123
02-07-2012, 12:17 AM
The thread should be named: Will Gasquet Ever Make Another Grand Slam Quarter-Final?.

My answer is no. And I don't think he will even make another 4R appearance, let alone a QF. He can go back to choking in 250 events.

misty1
02-07-2012, 12:25 AM
never

HKz
02-07-2012, 12:25 AM
I was not talking in term of results but mostly in term of play.
And sorry but no, guys like Federer,Chang,Hewitt or Becker weren't as eye-dropping(i don't remember the expression) at 18 as Gasquet was.
Hewitt for example was already a great player at 18 but there was nothing "magical" or stunning in his game other than his defense,fitness and mental toughness.

Then you clearly didn't read my post thoroughly. I said fuck the fact Gasquet played aesthetically pleasing tennis in your opinion, they don't net you wins or much less guarantee any kind of tangible success.

Alex999
02-07-2012, 01:09 AM
I love Richie and it almost hurts that he is such an underachiever. I don't know what he is going to reach. I have this feeling that he simply does not have any drive. what a waste. I still think that Gasquet is a super talented player.

Farenhajt
02-07-2012, 01:49 AM
Not sure I've ever heard about the guy. Can anyone provide some more detailed info? :confused:

Certinfy
02-07-2012, 10:13 AM
Can't believe Certinfy made this thread. Joke poster.
I did it for you. A thank you would have been nice. :awww:

leng jai
02-07-2012, 10:13 AM
Ajde childish fanboy battles.

ossie
02-07-2012, 11:13 AM
Not sure I've ever heard about the guy. Can anyone provide some more detailed info? :confused:
here is some more info about him

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/8042543.stm

leng jai
02-07-2012, 09:02 PM
Despite the trolling intentions of the OP its still a valid thread.

Certinfy
02-07-2012, 09:06 PM
Despite the trolling intentions of the OP its still a valid thread.
Actually I wasn't trolling at all. :lol: I mean I'm not a fan of Gasquet but I would like to see him make another QF sometime soon to stop bigger mugs from making it that far.